Can someone ban this faggot

[lurking truecel]

Who cares why does this bother you so much the fact that it’s getting under your skin proves that your an uncontrolled autist

I mean it doesnt bothers me i think its fun arguing with this mewing authist. These kind of people are the funniest to me. And this dude even setbacks his jaw to make his Forward growth less. He did a recession Surgery speedrun. And now he is mad his face sagging becuase it loat support from setbacking his lower jaw.

 

[masseter10]

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He talk shit about every jaw surgeon. In the book because he got setback by ram is now looking like a recessed potato. How do you go to a surgeon and get setbacked. Recessed speedrun, holy shit, a revision will make his condyles rot to the ground and back. 3 x risks. Hoy smartass. Then he even rage quited so hard he took of his braces so now he has shit bite and copes woth mewing and tongue posture

This is why we need to ban this jaw hackers fan and mayo functional coping fucking retards. You got scammed and more recessed. Your tongue and tmjs issues was there before. But you arent a girl so you dont need to worry about icr, just some minor arthritis at worst @Denkaren

dnr

 

[vermicel]

So many temu notifications

How will he ever recover from that ? Now everybody knows lurking truecel is a cheap snownigger

 

[lurking truecel]

How will he ever recover from that ? Now everybody knows lurking truecel is a cheap snownigger

Yea its kinda over for me

 

[Denkaren]

I dont have any functional issues at all, i have a problem. And that is that i made a bad nose job years ago and i knew i needed a revision. This bothers me because i cant rush it as the surgeons i want to do it with have waiting times. I have no tongue issues or functional issues. My bite is good now, it was a direct post op problem. And yes i am bipolar. But that is not related to Surgery.

I look and function 10x after surgery. But yea my nose still bothers me extremely much. And yes braces is annoying as hell. But i barely even move any teeth at this point but my ortho want to do some micro changes and i also want it to be good since doing ortho is important for function but you prob dont think that.

Also your tongue issue is obv related to moving back your lower jaws that creates sleep apnea. You dont need to be rocket scientist to realize moving back the lower jaw will make you pharynx narrower. Unlucky bruhhh@yussimania @bossman

His issues is because he moved the tongue back with a setback, obv he gets worse everything. Its a sleep apnea speed run surgery. All the talk about forward growth and he does the opposite. Recesses his lower jaw back.

Also this is a much more dangerous surgery with a lot more functional issues then normal bimax. Its setbacks Surgery that people die from when it comes to jaw surgery(no joke)

Of course it contributed? Did I agree of it? No.

Now what does that tell you about Ramieri?

 

[lurking truecel]

Of course it contributed? Did I agree of it? No.

Now what does that tell you about Ramieri?

Its you who decided to do the fucking surgery, stop blaming you fucking idiot. You could see the plan and everything. He is not your tongue specialist or sleep specialist. He us jaw surgeon you absolute fucking idiot. What the hell cant you comprehend ? He will not think of everything for you. Use your fucking brain you stupid. You went to italy from the nordics so obv you have some kind of thought. Its your responsibility, and you didnt take it. And now you cant responsibility and even have braces. Hope you do your research for your revision because this is ridiculous. Stop blaming someone for your choice.

 

[Jgns]

we shall ascend insahllah

 

[Denkaren]

Its you who decided to do the fucking surgery, stop blaming you fucking idiot. You could see the plan and everything. He is not your tongue specialist or sleep specialist. He us jaw surgeon you absolute fucking idiot. What the hell cant you comprehend ? He will not think of everything for you. Use your fucking brain you stupid. You went to italy from the nordics so obv you have some kind of thought. Its your responsibility, and you didnt take it. And now you cant responsibility and even have braces. Hope you do your research for your revision because this is ridiculous. Stop blaming someone for your choice.

Its my responsibility, while I’m under anesthesia, to make sure he doesn’t match my bite by pulling my lower jaw backward?

There should be some disclaimer notice once a hybrid neurodivergent people write.

You’re sick my friend.

You need help, you got botched, are bipolar and autistic.

I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes!

 

[lurking truecel]

Its my responsibility, while I’m under anesthesia, to make sure he doesn’t match my bite by pulling my lower jaw backward?

There should be some disclaimer notice once a hybrid neurodivergent people write.

Your sick

Its your responsibility to understand what the hell you gonna do, and all the risks and complications with that surgery. Most/every surgeon will not tell you everything that can go wrong etc. You are a adult man, but you didnt do research obv. Even choosing surgeon is your responsibility. I am sorry to tell you, grow the fuck up.

 

[Denkaren]

It’s your responsibility to understand what the hell you gonna do, and all the risks and complications with that surgery. Most surgeons will not tell you everything that can go wrong etc. You are an adult man, but you didnt do research obv. Even choosing surgeon is your responsibility. I am sorry to tell you, grow the fuck up.

What does your slow mind not comprehend?

Set back wasn’t in the plan.

Now please before your write something start your text with “I’m bipolar”. Just so people don’t get confused

 

[lurking truecel]

What does your slow mind not comprehend?

Set back wasn’t in the plan.

Now please before your write something start your text with “I’m bipolar”. Just so people don’t get confused

What was the plan then ? To just sleep under anesthesia and wake up with a perfect tongue posture?

 

[Denkaren]

What was the plan then ? To just sleep under anesthesia and wake up with a perfect tongue posture?

Didn’t start with “I’m bipolar”.

I won’t answer before the warning.

I have btw told my plan plenty of time. It’s hard to adapt to someone that’s on the scale.

 

[Oliebol]

Set back wasn’t in the plan.

Why dont you sue him?

 

[Denkaren]

Why dont you sue him?

Impossible to win, if I lived in Italy there would be another story.

 

[lurking truecel]

Why dont you sue him?

Because he signed a contract prior surgery with the exact plan and wrote himself off any kind of complication with surgery. Just like you do with any surgery. From there on its just good will

 

[lurking truecel]

Didn’t start with “I’m bipolar”.

I won’t answer before the warning.

I have btw told my plan plenty of time. It’s hard to adapt to someone that’s on the scale.

THe only thing you do is making people not wanting to do surgery like people accuse me off here lol

 

[Oliebol]

Because he signed a contract prior surgery with the exact plan and wrote himself off any kind of complication with surgery. Just like you do with any surgery. From there on its just good will

But he claims that the plan he signed for didnt happen

 

[Oliebol]

@Denkaren I also saw you hate on Raffaini in a post. Why's that?

 

[LEFORT17]

Because he signed a contract prior surgery with the exact plan and wrote himself off any kind of complication with surgery. Just like you do with any surgery. From there on its just good will

the second you sell your soul to a man cutting your face apart

 

[jester]

hmm my bite is also not looking the best but i think ortho can fix no?
and yeah ban him

i have a functional crossbite, ortho consult is in mid april
i’ll hopefully be getting unilateral mse and braces

 

[lurking truecel]

@Denkaren I also saw you hate on Raffaini in a post. Why's that?

He hates pag, ram, raffaini, gunson, arnett. Badically every surgeon in europe, because he thinks a sugeon should have zero botches. He lives in a wonderland, imagine him going to giant

 

[ccwb]

i have a functional crossbite, ortho consult is in mid april
i’ll hopefully be getting unilateral mse and braces

 

[lurking truecel]

the second you sell your soul to a man cutting your face apart

I mean every Surgery is like that even at a hospital. So its nothing new. Just pray and hope

 

[Denkaren]

@Denkaren I also saw you hate on Raffaini in a post. Why's that?

Why? Jesus, you’re lucky you’ve got a more nuanced perspective in this forum.

He has PLENTY of botches.

Ask this Redditor, he knows a lot about Raffaini!

 

[jester]

autism

 

[ccwb]

autism

Dopaminemaxxing

 

[lurking truecel]

Why? Jesus, you’re lucky you’ve got a more nuanced perspective in this forum.

He has PLENTY of botches.

Ask this Redditor, he knows a lot about Raffaini!

Yea fine, lets ask a transgender rage girl on reddit who did jaw surgery with an jaw implant inside at the same time..and now she wonders why she has some functional issues. Holy shit you retarded.

Keep falling for every botch you see on reddit, go to your no name local surgeon with zero botches because most of them died on the table

 

[Denkaren]

He hates pag, ram, raffaini, gunson, arnett. Badically every surgeon in europe, because he thinks a sugeon should have zero botches. He lives in a wonderland, imagine him going to giant

Arnett? Lmao

I literally said he is one of few with tongue knowledge. “I am bipolar” you seem to have forgotten, start with that in every text!

 

[jester]

Impossible to win, if I lived in Italy there would be another story.

i live in italy

 

[Denkaren]

i live in italy

Nice, not to be harsh but what should I do with that information?

 

[jester]

Nice, not to be harsh but what should I do with that information?

nothing, i just wanted to tell you
sorry

 

[lurking truecel]

Arnett? Lmao

I literally said he is one of few with tongue knowledge. “I am bipolar” you seem to have forgotten, start with that in every text!

Yea the other surgeons want you to choke on the tongue and develop problems. Thats ehat they want bruh, you prob know more then a surgeon who studied this shit for 10+ years because you are brainwashed by authists on discord server for mewing copers

 

[Denkaren]

Yea fine, lets ask a transgender rage girl on reddit who did jaw surgery with an jaw implant inside at the same time..and now she wonders why she has some functional issues. Holy shit you retarded.

Keep falling for every botch you see on reddit, go to your no name local surgeon with zero botches because most of them died on the table

Transgender girl?

Isn’t that a man?

 

[lurking truecel]

Transgender girl?

Isn’t that a man?

Its jen, she is guy now or if she started a guy to be a girl. But she was in all kinds of plastic surgery discord being a degenerate idiot

She has the iq of a pumpkin pie and dont know what she is doing

 

[Denkaren]

Its jen, she is guy now or if she started a guy to be a girl. But she was in all kinds of plastic surgery discord being a degenerate idiot

Ahh fuck I can admit that I was in the wrong on this particular subject.

I thought this Jen and the Redditor were different people.

How do you know this is this Jen?

 

[Oliebol]

@Denkaren I think you mis some nuance to a lot of situation. You cant write of one of the best jaw surgeons in the world because of 1 reddit post. I think its pretty funny how she thinks she knows more about jaw surgery then someone that has a PHD.

 

[Denkaren]

@Denkaren I think you mis some nuance to a lot of situation. You cant write of one of the best jaw surgeons in the world because of 1 reddit post. I think its pretty funny how she thinks she knows more about jaw surgery then someone that has a PHD.

Does PHD make you immune to wrongdoings or what are you saying here?

There is a lot of fuck ups in this field, fuck ups that has its ground in limited tongue knowledge.

Why do you think extraction still occurs?

 

[Oliebol]

Does PHD make you immune to wrongdoings or what are you saying here?

There is a lot of fuck ups in this field, fuck ups that has its ground in limited tongue knowledge.

Why do you think extraction still occurs?

There is no world without fuckups. Thats the thing, you keep attacking these surgeons because they have 1 "botch" out of 100 cases

 

[Denkaren]

There is no world without fuckups. Thats the thing, you keep attacking these surgeons because they have 1 "botch" out of 100 cases

1 botch? Lmao alright buddy he is the best in the world!!

 

[Nahorscend]

Censuring me seems to be the most appropriate way for lurkcell to litteraly carry on with his blatant lies without getting confronted. That’s why he want me blocked, in a logical word it should be the exact opposite.

I don't think you should be banned or censored. And I believe you that ramieri made a mistake with you and something went wrong. And I think you provided this forum with an interesting case and a useful counterbalance to blind trust in some surgeons. And I don't think ramieri is even close to the best or infallible.

That said - and I don't know if you will take this well or crash out again - try to act normal. You have a message to contribute but have an attitude that might make at least some portion of people here write you off. Because you type like a bit of a mentally unwell person, you are exhibiting a lot of things you accuse truecel of.

I know you are angry at what happened to you but stop going on this paranoid crusade against one surgeon acting like he is satan or the biggest fraud ever just because your specific case, which is already an atypical case, went wrong. Stop patronising anyone who doubts you and denigrating them as forum losers. Stop engaging in stupid conspiracy theories like saying truecel is a paid ramieri shill when he is the one who has shifted perception of ramieri negatively at some points. And you are in too deep on some of your views, when you say tongue posture has influence over canthal tilt you have lost almost everyone here.

But keep posting and it's good you decided to come on here. Don't take this as an insult. You are right in some of your criticisms of the forum users and of truecel too.

 

[lurking truecel]

Ahh fuck I can admit that I was in the wrong on this particular subject.

I thought this Jen and the Redditor were different people.

How do you know this is this Jen?

Because she sent it in a two groups on discord i am in. First she was mad st the assymetry after surgery

 

[Denkaren]

On canthal tilt specifically, I’m not claiming tongue posture literally rotates the canthus. The point is about illusion and relational change. Midface support, orbital rim projection, eyelid tension, and cheek mass all interact. Changes in tongue posture and palatal/upper arch support can subtly affect midface soft-tissue positioning and tension patterns. Even small shifts in cheek fullness or lower-lid support can change the perceived canthal tilt (positive vs neutral) because the eye fissure is judged relative to surrounding contours. This is basic perceptual geometry, not conspiracy.

Here is my before and after. The illusion of a positive canthal tilt changes once you can’t have your tongue on the palate with force

You’re right that atypical cases shouldn’t be generalized but neither should they be dismissed when they highlight variables the community underestimates. Skepticism is fine, blanket denial isn’t.

I can provide several before and after that gives the illusion of a different canthal tilt.

Ps. Do you even know the meaning of patronising?@Nahorscend

 

[Nahorscend]

On canthal tilt specifically, I’m not claiming tongue posture literally rotates the canthus. The point is about illusion and relational change. Midface support, orbital rim projection, eyelid tension, and cheek mass all interact. Changes in tongue posture and palatal/upper arch support can subtly affect midface soft-tissue positioning and tension patterns. Even small shifts in cheek fullness or lower-lid support can change the perceived canthal tilt (positive vs neutral) because the eye fissure is judged relative to surrounding contours. This is basic perceptual geometry, not conspiracy.

Here is my before and after. The illusion of a positive canthal tilt changes once you can’t have your tongue on the palate with force

It looks positive in both, just less so in the second, and that seems to be due to differences in the camera angle and proximity; the lower the camera the more negative the tilt will appear (same with the downturned mouth).

 

[Denkaren]

It looks positive in both, just less so in the second, and that seems to be due to differences in the camera angle and proximity; the lower the camera the more negative the tilt will appear (same with the downturned mouth).

Whatever you say man.

I’m tired of having this discussion when I know I’m in the right. Belive whatever you want to belive!

 

[VrillFatNoob24]

i live in italy

me too haha we should meet up and give each other surgeries (maybe let me touch your boobs if youre a undercover foid?

 

[nishka]

It doesn’t look like you’ve had any lateral movements on this plan?

Who did your surgery?

In some cases advancing underjaw with ccw can pull the geniohyoid (Where the tongue sits) at an upward angle. Your tongue has less space to move around. Swallowing, speaking and breathing gets worse.

it felt like my tongue is sitting like this now

but actually today its a lot better so now i feel like maybe just waiting for a few months and see if my tongue can find good posture

 

[nishka]

@lurking truecel are you going to get jaw angle implants

 

[jester]

me too haha we should meet up and give each other surgeries (maybe let me touch your boobs if youre a undercover foid?

brother…

 

[_Lucius]

No not according to this guy, if you have to use braces after bimax its over. This dude even removed his braces post op. And now he blames ram for setback his jaw 1 mm so he chokes on his tongue. He is a mental case that should have done Psychotherapy before surgery

He got his braces removed before the ortho finished the post-op work? No wonder he’s fucked after

 

[Denkaren]

He got his braces removed before the ortho finished the post-op work? No wonder he’s fucked after

So braces can advance your distal segment?
Braces can rotate your distal segment?
Why tf are you even making assumptions without knowing the full story?