Can we all agree that turks are white?

[Deleted member 6128]

Tbf, this is about to become the case anyway in no time

Inshallah

Allah rids europe of those animals and preserves his most beautiful creations

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Turks really have me on the top the fence

On one hand I can relate to them when they embrace Atatürk’s ideas combined with European cultural influence (mostly French); on the ofher I really cannot when they push Erdogan’s Ottoman revival autism

. The thing is that ataturks europeanism is only superficial. Like banning Turkish dresses, hijabs in institutions and Arabic language took some of the French laws but gave the military supreme power and made himself dictator for life. And did a horrible job of integrating the ethnic minorities

Turkey have had or attempted to have the cores of European civilization, like Christendom, Liberty, Greek philosophy, Republicanism etc

Turkey has always had some of the most strict speech laws in the world. Insulting ataturk or “Turkishness” will give you an even bigger jail sentence than insulting Allah in todays Saudi Arabia nTurkey is even further from European ideals than soviet Russia

Erdogan turkey today is actually the freest and most integrated with Europe that Turkey ever had. He just used Islamic rhetoric to get low iq Kurds and Muslim boomers to vote AKP.

Turkey only gets a free pass because they don’t force women to wear hijabs and it was extremely pro USA and NATO

They’re still more like a Middle East country politically

 

[SecularIslamist]

The ottomans were the strongest power for no more than 3 decades very quickly did the Spanish overtake them then Portugal then Britain then France

3 decades nigga what drugs you on?

They were the biggest power in the world for centuries, situated between east and west and had enemies either side. It's amazing they survived so long. Most empires get too big for their boots when managing a multiracial, multi religious and cultural population.

 

[TsarTsar444]

thats almost like asking if americans or brazilians are white, Turkey isnt a racial state like those in Europe, Africa and Asia, it's unique cause Anatolia is the crossroad of civiliazation, it was the US before the US was a thing. Turks come in lots of shades, they are obvioslly not brown (hate this pseudoscientific word, originally used for fucking abos and dalits) but how would you say white either? Turkey should be avoided when talking about race entirely

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Low IQ roach JFL if you think those subhumans could have penetrated Western Europe unlike the shithole that is the Balkans the west has always been far more developed

Yeah the entire population of ottoman europe at its peak was less than Moscow

 

[TsarTsar444]

Bosniaks were the most favorite people of the Ottoman sultans anyways

 

[TheAnomaly]

The guy looks White. Though IRL I’ e never met a Turk.

 

[Bashan]

@Stone I agree.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Low IQ roach JFL if you think those subhumans could have penetrated Western Europe unlike the shithole that is the Balkans the west has always been far more developed

no lmao, in the 14th century the Balkan kingdoms weren't more behind compared to France, this is advanced uni tier history tho to read about, it took 100 years for the Balkans to fall after continous non stop war with the Ottomans

 

[Prettyboy]

What fucking culture? They had a 1000+ years of culture and history which they tried to erase by importing western ideas. Ataturk had an inferiority complex for everything French. The only way to get rid of this was to install a new cult of personality and nationalism centered around him.

He tried to suppress Ottoman history - no wonder people are realizing there are far greater Turkic figures than him.

The Ottoman empire in it’s last period was rightfully called “the sick man of Europe”

It badly needed reforms if it wished to stay relevant among European powers

. The thing is that ataturks europeanism is only superficial. Like banning Turkish dresses, hijabs in institutions and Arabic language took some of the French laws but gave the military supreme power and made himself dictator for life. And did a horrible job of integrating the ethnic minorities

Turkey have had or attempted to have the cores of European civilization, like Christendom, Liberty, Greek philosophy, Republicanism etc

Turkey has always had some of the most strict speech laws in the world. Insulting ataturk or “Turkishness” will give you an even bigger jail sentence than insulting Allah in todays Saudi Arabia nTurkey is even further from European ideals than soviet Russia

Erdogan turkey today is actually the freest and most integrated with Europe that Turkey ever had. He just used Islamic rhetoric to get low iq Kurds and Muslim boomers to vote AKP.

Turkey only gets a free pass because they don’t force women to wear hijabs and it was extremely pro USA and NATO

They’re still more like a Middle East country politically

They are a bridge country, connecting Europe with the Middle East. This gives them the choice to identify with either side

I would support and welcome their Europeanism but oppose them reviving politcal Islam in their country which has already been succesfully secularized once

 

[SecularIslamist]

The Ottoman empire in it’s last period was rightfully called “the sick man of Europe”

It badly needed reforms if it wished to stay relevant among European powers

Europeans started calling them that in the 19th century JFL, bit like calling America today a declining power but it's still powerful.

They tried to prolong their power with tanzimat period in the 19the century - it cuckery culminated with the Young Turks and Ataturk in the 20th century.

 

[SecularIslamist]

I would support and welcome their Europeanism but oppose them reviving politcal Islam in their country which has already been succesfully secularized once

What's so bad about "political Islam" - I doubt such a thing exists. Almost every secular leader in the Middle East has been authoritarian. Every time they start lose power they scream 'muh muh jihadis' 'muh muh Afghanistan'. No wonder even Assad let ISIS control parts of Syria.

Political Islam is the only force against materialism, feminism, liberalism. Three dangerous ways of thinking that has already cucked the west.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Europeans started calling them that in the 19th century JFL, bit like calling America today a declining power but it's still powerful.

They tried to prolong their power with tanzimat period in the 19the century - it cuckery culminated with the Young Turks and Ataturk in the 20th century.

young turks were epic cucks

 

[Deleted member 13787]

I think the ottoman sultans looked fair skinned because nearly every valide sultan between the 1500s and 1600s was an Eastern European woman. The Turkish kangz loved them some white wimminz.

The average Anatolian villager was probably swarthier.

Nah. Ottoman sultans valued east asian women above everything.

 

[Bashan]

Nah. Ottoman sultans valued east asian women above everything.

Turks are white.

 

[Prettyboy]

What's so bad about "political Islam" - I doubt such a thing exists. Almost every secular leader in the Middle East has been authoritarian. Every time they start lose power they scream 'muh muh jihadis' 'muh muh Afghanistan'. No wonder even Assad let ISIS control parts of Syria.

Political Islam is the only force against materialism, feminism, liberalism. Three dangerous ways of thinking that has already cucked the west.

The West is leading the world exactly because economic and social liberalism has given it room for prosperity

If it weren’t for oil and natural gas, all Islamist countries would be Afghanistan tier poor. The biggest enemy of creativity and prosperity is authoritarianism

 

[Bashan]

The West is leading the world exactly because economic and social liberalism has given room for prosperity

If it weren’t for oil, all Islamist countries would be Afghanistan tier poor. The biggest enemy of crativity and prosperity is autoritarianism

Afgans are white.

 

[Deleted member 18522]

The Ottoman empire in it’s last period was rightfully called “the sick man of Europe”

It badly needed reforms if it wished to stay relevant among European powers


They are a bridge country, connecting Europe with the Middle East. This gives them the choice to identify with either side

I would support and welcome their Europeanism but oppose them reviving politcal Islam in their country which has already been succesfully secularized once

Europeanism in turkey isn’t europeanism it’s just another authoritarian government with European aesthetics from the top down whilelmost are still Muslim and Islamic.

Only 3% of turkey is in Europe. Rest is completely in Europe.

Even a country like Lebanon is technically more European than turkey

 

[Prettyboy]

Afgans are white.

They were on our border


White people don’t look remotely close or behave like this.

 

[Bashan]

White people don’t look or behave like this.

Damn they act like Turks..I mean, whites...

 

[Deleted member 23564]

no

 

[Deleted member 23778]

Europeans literally will class only their group as the true Whites and everyone else as primitive brute niggers. Ancient Romans used to think Nordics were spear chuckers who needed to be exterminated and some Meds still do to this day.

 

[SecularIslamist]

The West is leading the world exactly because economic and social liberalism has given it room for prosperity

JFL Is China or Japan "Western"? Decline of the West will also be long, slow and painful. We will see a multipolar world by mid-century most likely.

I have no problem with specific economic or political institutions these can be harmonised with political Islam and the Shari'ah. My problem is the cultural baggage (or lack of) associated with liberalism, secularism and materialism.

If it weren’t for oil and natural gas, all Islamist countries would be Afghanistan tier poor. The biggest enemy of creativity and prosperity is authoritarianism

Nigga Middle East has been home to civilisations that mogged the "West" (geographically western for millenias). Every secular leader including Ataturk, the Shahs was authoritarian, even fascist to some commentators.

All you see in these leaders is that there women don't wear hijabs and drink alcohol and they're somehow 'free' and 'modern' JFL

 

[TsarTsar444]

The Ottoman empire in it’s last period was rightfully called “the sick man of Europe”

It badly needed reforms if it wished to stay relevant among European powers


They are a bridge country, connecting Europe with the Middle East. This gives them the choice to identify with either side

I would support and welcome their Europeanism but oppose them reviving politcal Islam in their country which has already been succesfully secularized once

"In his work, Mustafa Ali describes how Suleiman would often refer to the Bosniaks as "my beloved people" and how he was particularly fond of their bravery and military prowess. According to Mustafa Ali, Suleiman had a deep respect for the Bosniak soldiers, who he considered to be among the finest in the Ottoman army."

"The Bosniaks are a handsome and well-built people. They have broad shoulders, large eyes, and their skin is whiter than that of any other Slavic people. They are also very hardy and brave, and their women are famed for their beauty and virtue."
- Evliya Celebi (Book of Travels)

Mustafa Naima in his work "Tarih-i Naima" (The History of Naima), he describes the Bosniaks as "the bravest of the Slavic peoples" and notes their contributions to the Ottoman military.

In his work "Cihannüma" or "Book of the World," Katib Çelebi described the Bosnian people as "brave and honorable" and praised their contributions to Ottoman society. He noted that the Bosnians were highly respected in the Ottoman military for their bravery in battle and that they had a strong martial tradition.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Also aren’t modern day Turks just Pakistanis and afghans @Oberyn

 

[Deleted member 23778]

But logic in Op holds up regardless of their status as white or not. Because Meds and MENA people look similar. Some Meds even within the same family will have white looking individuals next to Mohammed phenos. You can have Irish looking women give birth to sandnigs in some families. But overall as a whole southern euros and MENA people have too similar structures, attitudes, cultures, food, climate, and of course physical appearance.

Only Islam separates them. Christian MENA people even classify themselves as whiter than Muslims of the same region. All Assyrian peoples I know think of themselves as white.

And if you put Assyrians, Spaniards, Italians, Turks, and Greeks in one room it would be hard to tell apart. Eventually they all blend in due to similar features and coloring. It's silly to separate MENA people from Meds. Maybe some Maghrebis look quadroon though and those are very apparent.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

But logic in Op holds up regardless of their status as white or not. Because Meds and MENA people look similar. Some Meds even within the same family will have white looking individuals next to Mohammed phenos. You can have Irish looking women give birth to sandnigs in some families. But overall as a while southern euros and MENA people have too similar structures, attitudes, cultures, food, climate, and of course physical appearance.

Only Islam separates them. Christian MENA people even classify themselves as whiter than Muslims of the same region. All Assyrian peoples I know think of themselves as white.

And if you put Assyrians, Spaniards, Italians, Turks, and Greeks in one room it would be hard to tell apart. Eventually they all blend in due to similar features and coloring. It's silly to separate MENA people from Meds. Maybe some Maghrebis look quadroon though and those are very apparent.

Not really
So many meds still look white (I’ve seen Italians, Greeks etc with light eyes) while white looking Arabs are very rare

 

[Deleted member 26535]

But logic in Op holds up regardless of their status as white or not. Because Meds and MENA people look similar. Some Meds even within the same family will have white looking individuals next to Mohammed phenos. You can have Irish looking women give birth to sandnigs in some families. But overall as a while southern euros and MENA people have too similar structures, attitudes, cultures, food, climate, and of course physical appearance.

Only Islam separates them. Christian MENA people even classify themselves as whiter than Muslims of the same region. All Assyrian peoples I know think of themselves as white.

And if you put Assyrians, Spaniards, Italians, Turks, and Greeks in one room it would be hard to tell apart. Eventually they all blend in due to similar features and coloring. It's silly to separate MENA people from Meds. Maybe some Maghrebis look quadroon though and those are very apparent.

I'd say italians are the most overrated (and my grandfather is italian, so i m not just being hateful); when you look at their average guy, they are maybe 7.5% better looking than arabs

Even part/fully italian guys that made it in hollywood (pacino, de niro etc) are not even comparable to anglo gods

 

[Deleted member 23778]

Not really
So many meds still look white (I’ve seen Italians, Greeks etc with light eyes) while white looking Arabs are very rare

It's a gradient

People in the Arabian peninsula are more Indian looking it seems. But Turks otoh have too much overlap with Europe (they're on the border ffs)

But what classified as "White" in Mediterranean peoples still has very different structure than Nordics and is closer to MENA skull structure in actuality. Italians are a great example because many have light coloring and still happen to have super ethnic features like their nose shape and skull. Same with spaniards whom have a more Northern leaning skull but have darker features as a whole. Then you have Catalonians like Pep, Busquets, Fabregas, and Xavi who look straight up Middle Eastern while actual White guys like Xabi Alonso are a rarity in their squads. So Meds and Middle Eastern people have this sort of "White turning not White" gradient that darkens the further South you go.

The point is Turks, Levantines, and South Euros look similar. Maybe not Arabians or Maghrebis as much

 

[Prettyboy]

Europeanism in turkey isn’t europeanism it’s just another authoritarian government with European aesthetics from the top down whilelmost are still Muslim and Islamic.

Only 3% of turkey is in Europe. Rest is completely in Europe.

Even a country like Lebanon is technically more European than turkey

Once again, it’s up to the Turks to decide with whom they want to identify; the West or go back to the Middle East

Rumelia - which is in Europe - was the Ottoman Empire’s most important vilajet. They were keen on aligning with NATO and wanted to join the EU

If they had the will for it, they could become a part of Europe

JFL Is China or Japan "Western"? Decline of the West will also be long, slow and painful. We will see a multipolar world by mid-century most likely.

China hasn’t even developed itself yet but it’s population has already started to decline. i don’t subscribe to CCP revenge fantasies

I have no problem with specific economic or political institutions these can be harmonised with political Islam and the Shari'ah. My problem is the cultural baggage (or lack of) associated with liberalism, secularism and materialism.

You cannot seperate economical prosperity from social liberalism. Some Gulf countries can only do so because of oil & gas revenues, they are extreme outliers

Other than them the Islamic world is no different than the West was in the last century. As the region develops economically people begin to wake up socially

"In his work, Mustafa Ali describes how Suleiman would often refer to the Bosniaks as "my beloved people" and how he was particularly fond of their bravery and military prowess. According to Mustafa Ali, Suleiman had a deep respect for the Bosniak soldiers, who he considered to be among the finest in the Ottoman army."

"The Bosniaks are a handsome and well-built people. They have broad shoulders, large eyes, and their skin is whiter than that of any other Slavic people. They are also very hardy and brave, and their women are famed for their beauty and virtue."
- Evliya Celebi (Book of Travels)

Mustafa Naima in his work "Tarih-i Naima" (The History of Naima), he describes the Bosniaks as "the bravest of the Slavic peoples" and notes their contributions to the Ottoman military.

In his work "Cihannüma" or "Book of the World," Katib Çelebi described the Bosnian people as "brave and honorable" and praised their contributions to Ottoman society. He noted that the Bosnians were highly respected in the Ottoman military for their bravery in battle and that they had a strong martial tradition.

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Bosniaks have great genetic stock but it’s such a shame they were converted to Islam. It would be better for everyone if they had instead been under the influence of the Germans and became Roman Catholics like Croats. Lot of the Balkan shitshow could have been avoided and region could be homogeniously aligned with Central Europe instead of being the proxy of Turkey and Mujahideens

 

[SecularIslamist]

China hasn’t even developed itself yet but it’s population has already started to decline. i don’t subscribe to CCP revenge fantasies

It's literally the second biggest economy by GDP. They are getting ahead in certain next gen industries such as AI and quantum computing.

Population decline is a problem in all western countries. That's what happens when you have break up of family, LGBT and degeneracy.

You cannot seperate economical prosperity from social liberalism. Some Gulf countries can only do so because of oil & gas revenues, they are extreme outliers

Yea you can as I mentioned Japan, China even India is technically 'rich' but they have a massive disparity but understandable when you have 1/6 of global population.

Gulf states like Saudi are diversifying their economies and UAE isn't even an oil state. 'rentierism" is no longer a common feature of oil-rich states in Middle East, and they haven't ended up like Venezuela.

Other than them the Islamic world is no different than the West was in the last century. As the region develops economically people begin to wake up socially

Typical orientalist views of Muslims who need to "wake up" because they're backward, irrational and uncivilized and modern west as developed, prosperous and civilised JFL.

Keep coping with these polls they literally voted in Islamists parties in Tunisia and Egypt that decade lmao.

 

[Deleted member 26535]

Once again, it’s up to the Turks to decide with whom they want to identify; the West or go back to the Middle East

Rumelia - which is in Europe - was the Ottoman Empire’s most important vilajet. They were keen on aligning with NATO and wanted to join the EU

If they had the will for it, they could become a part of Europe


China hasn’t even developed itself yet but it’s population has already started to decline. i don’t subscribe to CCP revenge fantasies


You cannot seperate economical prosperity from social liberalism. Some Gulf countries can only do so because of oil & gas revenues, they are extreme outliers

Other than them the Islamic world is no different than the West was in the last century. As the region develops economically people begin to wake up socially

Bosniaks have great genetic stock but it’s such a shame they were converted to Islam. It would be better for everyone if they had instead been under the influence of the Germans and became Roman Catholics like Croats. Lot of the Balkan shitshow could have been avoided and region could be homogeniously aligned with Central Europe instead of being the proxy of Turkey and Mujahideens

Bosnians (muslims) are really nice and cordial people, tbh.

Unfortunately, they are in a similar situation as israel environment-wise

 

[TsarTsar444]

Once again, it’s up to the Turks to decide with whom they want to identify; the West or go back to the Middle East

Rumelia - which is in Europe - was the Ottoman Empire’s most important vilajet. They were keen on aligning with NATO and wanted to join the EU

If they had the will for it, they could become a part of Europe


China hasn’t even developed itself yet but it’s population has already started to decline. i don’t subscribe to CCP revenge fantasies


You cannot seperate economical prosperity from social liberalism. Some Gulf countries can only do so because of oil & gas revenues, they are extreme outliers

Other than them the Islamic world is no different than the West was in the last century. As the region develops economically people begin to wake up socially

Bosniaks have great genetic stock but it’s such a shame they were converted to Islam. It would be better for everyone if they had instead been under the influence of the Germans and became Roman Catholics like Croats. Lot of the Balkan shitshow could have been avoided and region could be homogeniously aligned with Central Europe instead of being the proxy of Turkey and Mujahideens

Around 150k hungarian muslims fled to Bosnia after the 1683-1700 war. Before the war 25% of Hungarian population was muslim, majority natives followed by south slavic muslims. From about 1 million hungarians under Ottoman rule, 250k were muslims. This happened in just 100 years of Ottoman rule in Hungary. I believe Bosniaks and Albanians became entrached muslims exactly because they were catholics before hand. You can see this trend in all catholic places the Ottomans conquered not just Albania and Bosnia, like Hungary (which i mentioned) and Croatia (1/3 of croats were muslims as well, extremely fast converting for just 100 years).

Evliya Celebi even mentions brave croats fighting againts the Austrians in his book, i was shocked jfl.

"In the centre were 12,000 of the grand vizier’s picked soldiers, Segbans and Sarı-
cas of Croatian, Albanian, and Bosnian youths, and other champions."

"First on the field of bravery, on leaping horses, were the regiment commander of the Croats, Ismail, and the Sirem and Semendire beys."

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Once again, it’s up to the Turks to decide with whom they want to identify; the West or go back to the Middle East

Rumelia - which is in Europe - was the Ottoman Empire’s most important vilajet. They were keen on aligning with NATO and wanted to join the EU

If they had the will for it, they could become a part of Europe


China hasn’t even developed itself yet but it’s population has already started to decline. i don’t subscribe to CCP revenge fantasies


You cannot seperate economical prosperity from social liberalism. Some Gulf countries can only do so because of oil & gas revenues, they are extreme outliers

Other than them the Islamic world is no different than the West was in the last century. As the region develops economically people begin to wake up socially

Bosniaks have great genetic stock but it’s such a shame they were converted to Islam. It would be better for everyone if they had instead been under the influence of the Germans and became Roman Catholics like Croats. Lot of the Balkan shitshow could have been avoided and region could be homogeniously aligned with Central Europe instead of being the proxy of Turkey and Mujahideens

It does matter because Turkey and Turks belong to an Islamic civilizations and all but a small percentage of it is in Middle East.

A Turk living in the Black Sea or Levantine region have zero ties to Europe

The Christians in turkey were ethnically cleansed and

 

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Every Turk wishes hard they were white. It’s extremely off putting .. I can count on my fingers the amount of times a Turk tried to larp as white/European

And it’s pretty sad because the ottoman history is much more based than pretending to be some Europoor. But the poor delusional Turkroaches don’t know better

ive only seen kemalists saying turks are europeans

 

[TsarTsar444]

@Prettyboy

Evilya Celebi has a whole chapter dedicated solely for describing differences between Hungarians and Austrians/Germans, its cageful

"The Hungarians are Protestants while the Austrians are Catholics. There–fore
these two infidel groups are opposites to one another, despite their both being
Christians. And, as the saying goes, Opposites do not join."

"Still, compared to the Hungarians the Austrians are like the Jews: they have
no stomach for a fight and are not swordsmen and horsemen."

"They (hungarians) are clean in their ways and
in their eating, and honour their guests. They do not torture their prisoners as the Austrians do. They practice swordplay like the Ottomans. In short, though both of them are unbelievers without faith, the Hungarians are more honourable and cleaner infidels. They do not wash their faces every morning with their urine as the Austrians do, but wash their faces every morning with water as the Ottomans"

KEK

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Bosnians (muslims) are really nice and cordial people, tbh.

Unfortunately, they are in a similar situation as israel environment-wise

Bosnians and Palestinians are the only Muslims i politically support. The Turks are fascist as fuck and those North Africans slaughter their own people and the rest are despotic dictators that are a revolution away from being ruled by isis (most Muslims want isis like government and sharia law)

 

[Prettyboy]

It's literally the second biggest economy by GDP. They are getting ahead in certain next gen industries such as AI and quantum computing.

Population decline is a problem in all western countries. That's what happens when you have break up of family, LGBT and degeneracy.

Yea you can as I mentioned Japan, China even India is technically 'rich' but they have a massive disparity but understandable when you have 1/6 of global population.

Gulf states like Saudi are diversifying their economies and UAE isn't even an oil state. 'rentierism" is no longer a common feature of oil-rich states in Middle East, and they haven't ended up like Venezuela.



Typical orientalist views of Muslims who need to "wake up" because they're backward, irrational and uncivilized and modern west as developed, prosperous and civilised JFL.

Keep coping with these polls they literally voted in Islamists parties in Tunisia and Egypt that decade lmao.

The whole world’s population will start to decline in the near future, save for Sub-Saharan Africa. People citing population decline as a Western burden are either stuck a few decades ago or are coping.

Population decline is a problem for everyone but only the West managed to develop it’s economy before it arrived. It will be an absolute bloodbath when population decline hits the non existent welfare network of Asian countries

I know Muslims love to think they are unicorns extempt from all economic rules but the reality is aside from outliers (like oil states), countries with the same level of GDP per capita have rougly similar level of social freedom.

Put into other worlds, as the Islamic worlds develops economcially, it will inevitably become more liberal socially. It has been the case everywhere, not just the West. You can see this unfolding with South Korea’s latest election. Women with their own income possess the leverage to question patriarchy

Around 150k hungarian muslims fled to Bosnia after the 1683-1700 war. Before the war 25% of Hungarian population was muslim, majority natives followed by south slavic muslims. From about 1 million hungarians under Ottoman rule, 250k were muslims. This happened in just 100 years of Ottoman rule in Hungary. I believe Bosniaks and Albanians became entrached muslims exactly because they were catholics before hand. You can see this trend in all catholic places the Ottomans conquered not just Albania and Bosnia, like Hungary (which i mentioned) and Croatia (1/3 of croats were muslims as well, extremely fast converting for just 100 years).

Evliya Celebi even mentions brave croats fighting againts the Austrians in his book, i was shocked jfl.

"In the centre were 12,000 of the grand vizier’s picked soldiers, Segbans and Sarı-
cas of Croatian, Albanian, and Bosnian youths, and other champions."

"First on the field of bravery, on leaping horses, were the regiment commander of the Croats, Ismail, and the Sirem and Semendire beys."

Hungary saved Europe from Islam but at the cost of it’s own fate. Hungarians didn’t became Muslim unlike Bosniaks, which led to 1/3 of the country becoming a depopulated wasteland. This land was then artificially repopulated by the Habsburgs with Saxons and Schwabs imported from Germany and other nearby ethnicities (Vlachs, Serbs)

If you combine it with the damage 19th century’s romanticist national revivals did, it’s easy to see how it ultimately led to Trianon

Bosnians (muslims) are really nice and cordial people, tbh.

Unfortunately, they are in a similar situation as israel environment-wise

They are fantastic people, I only had positive experimences with them whenever I travelled through Bosnia. It’s a pity they became Muslims. They are not bigots unlike Middle Easterners, but still

The Balkan peninsula would be a much more homogenous and stable place if they were Catholics like Croats & Slovenes. Hell, even Serbs would be better off. Instead of them being Russia’s little autist Orthodox brother like now

 

[SecularIslamist]

The whole world’s population will start to decline in the near future, save for Sub-Saharan Africa. People citing population decline as a Western burden are either stuck a few decades ago or are coping.

Population decline is a problem for everyone but only the West managed to develop it’s economy before it arrived. It will be an absolute bloodbath when population decline hits the non existent welfare network of Asian countries

I know Muslims love to think they are unicorns extempt from all economic rules but the reality is aside from outliers (like oil states), countries with the same level of GDP per capita have rougly similar level of social freedom.

Nothing wrong with the bottom chart except in countries which will struggle to refill or cater for the older generations. i.e. western countries and some outliers like Japan - who are ahead of the curve in this regard.

Put into other worlds, as the Islamic worlds develops economcially, it will inevitably become more liberal socially. It has been the case everywhere, not just the West. You can see this unfolding with South Korea’s latest election. Women with their own income possess the leverage to question patriarchy

No it won't. We are starting to see political parties develop and gain votes because they're promoting a return to traditional values. Coping again.

I agree there are also wokeist socially liberal ideas (which you also worship) but it's just more evidence of divisiveness not the fact that liberalism is 'winning' on the contrary.

 

[Prettyboy]

@Prettyboy

Evilya Celebi has a whole chapter dedicated solely for describing differences between Hungarians and Austrians/Germans, its cageful

"The Hungarians are Protestants while the Austrians are Catholics. There–fore
these two infidel groups are opposites to one another, despite their both being
Christians. And, as the saying goes, Opposites do not join."

"Still, compared to the Hungarians the Austrians are like the Jews: they have
no stomach for a fight and are not swordsmen and horsemen."

"They (hungarians) are clean in their ways and
in their eating, and honour their guests. They do not torture their prisoners as the Austrians do. They practice swordplay like the Ottomans. In short, though both of them are unbelievers without faith, the Hungarians are more honourable and cleaner infidels. They do not wash their faces every morning with their urine as the Austrians do, but wash their faces every morning with water as the Ottomans"

KEK

Both Austrians and Hungarians are majority Catholics though. Maybe that citation refers to Hungarians in Transylvania?

Because during the Ottoman occupation the semi-independent Principality of Transylvania was Europe’s most religiously tolerant state, so it was a hotbed of the recently emerged Protestantism. The unoccupied Kingdom of Hungary remained under Habsburg rule so it continued to be dominated by Catholicism

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Depends. Phenotypically white? Sure. Genetically white/European? No, unless they're overwhelmingly of non-Turkish descent.

 

[Deleted member 26535]

Bosnians and Palestinians are the only Muslims i politically support. The Turks are fascist as fuck and those North Africans slaughter their own people and the rest are despotic dictators that are a revolution away from being ruled by isis (most Muslims want isis like government and sharia law)

Idk, muslims are closer to undergoing the revolution from within (the one christians underwent some centuries ago) than people think

Do you know how much guilt british private companies have for the revolution in iran that threw them 100 years back, for example?

I'm pro america and pro israel, but dont really mind iran getting that uranium to 90%, it would be good in the big picture

 

[TsarTsar444]

Both Austrians and Hungarians are majority Catholics though. Maybe that citation refers to Hungarians in Transylvania?

Because during the Ottoman occupation the semi-independent Principality of Transylvania was Europe’s most religiously tolerant state, so it was a hotbed of the recently emerged Protestantism. The unoccupied Kingdom of Hungary remained under Habsburg rule so it continued to be dominated by Catholicism

He is talking about the Hungarian people in general, the ones in Ottoman Hungary and Transylvania were predominantly protestant, only after 1700 did Hungary proper became catholic. Royal Hungary which was part of Austria tho was catholic predominantly but they also had a sizable protestant minority in the early 17th century.

 

[NormieKilla]

WGAF

 

[SecularIslamist]

the rest are despotic dictators that are a revolution away from being ruled by isis (most Muslims want isis like government and sharia law)

Far from the truth. Those ISIS like govts only emerges in shithole countries ravaged by foreign occupation, sectarian conflict and civil war like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

Many Islamists are actually like Erdogan, Ghannouchi and Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt are a mish-mash of Islamist conservatism within a secular, democratic framework. The salafi-Islamists are a fringe within the Islamist movement, and the violent ones are an even rare, smaller fringe but very influential because of their destabilizing tendencies and financial backing.

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Idk, muslims are closer to undergoing the revolution from within (the one christians underwent some centuries ago) than people think

Do you know how much guilt british private companies have for the revolution in iran that threw them 100 years back, for example?

I'm pro america and pro israel, but dont really mind iran getting that uranium to 90%, it would be good in the big picture

Israel is cringe and responsible for keeping Arabs backwards

The secular Iran was a shithole too tbf Muslim want sharia law until they see it

The Islamic revolution was popular and grass roots.

 

[Deleted member 26535]

Israel is cringe and responsible for keeping Arabs backwards

The secular Iran was a shithole too tbf Muslim want sharia law until they see it

The Islamic revolution was popular and grass roots.

Fair enough, your opinion is probably heavier since you are a muslim

 

[rand anon]

Ottoman sultans were commonly nordic and had the R1a haplogroup

@Manchild r1a >>>

 

[Deleted member 18522]

@Manchild r1a >>>

R1b is Aryan r1a is Indian

 

[Deleted member 24167]

Because if they are not white, italians and spaniards are burkina faso tier fucking niggers

He is not white not even in Turkey.Actually ı would say most of turks see him as brown/shitskin.