Carbs are objectively bad for us and raw cow meat is all we need to consume.

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

 

[StellaFanboy]

dude is afraid of a fruit lol. pussy. imagine someone telling you what to eat.

 

[Palan]

dude is afraid of a fruit lol. pussy. imagine someone telling you what to eat.

I am not afraid of fruit, feel free to read my article and refute it.

 

[WilhelmThyWizard]

When ppl think of carbs, they think complex carbs rice pasta bread. Fruits and honey mogg to obilivion.

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

b

 

[Palan]

When ppl think of carbs, they think complex carbs rice pasta bread. Fruits and honey mogg to obilivion.

LOL! Fructose is 8-10 times more reactive than glucose which forms advanced glycation end products as mentioned in my thread.
*Fructose also destabilizes the protein structure of your body at an order of magnitude faster than the starch in rice or bread. You're also accelerating the caramelization of your own tissues by consuming that.*

 

[WilhelmThyWizard]

LOL! Fructose is 8-10 times more reactive than glucose which forms advanced glycation end products as mentioned in my thread.
*Fructose also destabilizes the protein structure of your body at an order of magnitude faster than the starch in rice or bread. You're also accelerating the caramelization of your own tissues by consuming that.*

Extreme cope, no one cares abt ur faggot ass study made by freemasonic science and 5'6 mallets scientist who id knock out. Fruit is peak anti aging plus energy

 

[Palan]

Extreme cope, no one cares abt ur faggot ass study made by freemasonic science and 5'6 mallets scientist who id knock out. Fruit is peak anti aging plus energy

I love how morons on this site get refuted and all they can resort toward is saying a bunch of monkey slop. Stop chimpin out and learn science.

 

[polarpop]

You don't have a clue what the fuck your talking about ffs, please do actual research instead of combining pseudo science with the tiniest bit of biological mechanisms.

 

[Palan]

You don't have a clue what the fuck your talking about ffs, please do actual research instead of combining pseudo science with the tiniest bit of biological mechanisms.

I don't need clues to something I already know. Refute me or shut the fuck up

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

b

 

[Greenguy]

DNR

 

[WilhelmThyWizard]

I love how morons on this site get refuted and all they can resort toward is saying a bunch of monkey slop. Stop chimpin out and learn science.

Learn science ur retarded when does it say in science that u evolved remove the gene that every animal has, which makes them rape defendless animals. Keep coping with ur science retard why does every single freemasonic and Jewish text that say that science is retarded. And billionaires use these texts not Greys like u. Andrechrome, plus fruits, plus sun gazing. Sciencist fix a problem by making another one. Fruits also make u high energy

 

[Palan]

Learn science ur retarded when does it say in science that u evolved remove the gene that every animal has, which makes them rape defendless animals. Keep coping with ur science retard why does every single freemasonic and Jewish text that say that science is retarded. And billionaires use these texts not Greys like u. Andrechrome, plus fruits, plus sun gazing. Sciencist fix a problem by making another one. Fruits also make u high energy

You are pretty funny, the high energy you feel is the toxic stress response, so fructose spikes blood sugar and thus triggers a transient dopamine hit.. after that follows cortisol and adrenaline lol. Your body goes and attempts to manage the glucose spike and you end up with a subsequent crash. That shit energy is also stimulant driven which breaks down tissue much rather than substrate driven energy which meat has. You do not understand human biology at all. Refrain from having children.

(Also, the defenseless animal claim is a gene myth because we do not require plants, that is biologically illiterate. Animals have the gene for cellulase, humans objectively do not. We lost the ability to ferment fiber into significant energy millions of years ago when our brains expanded and our colons shrunk. WE evolved a high-acidity stomach with a pH of 1.5 specifically to breakdown animal proteins and fats AND neutralize pathogens.)

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

B

 

[WilhelmThyWizard]

You are pretty funny, the high energy you feel is the toxic stress response, so fructose spikes blood sugar and thus triggers a transient dopamine hit.. after that follows cortisol and adrenaline lol. Your body goes and attempts to manage the glucose spike and you end up with a subsequent crash. That shit energy is also stimulant driven which breaks down tissue much rather than substrate driven energy which meat has. You do not understand human biology at all. Refrain from having children.

I dont have energy crashes, and if I did I'd kms, so according to ur science imma die in a couple hourse

 

[StellaFanboy]

You are pretty funny, the high energy you feel is the toxic stress response, so fructose spikes blood sugar and thus triggers a transient dopamine hit.. after that follows cortisol and adrenaline lol. Your body goes and attempts to manage the glucose spike and you end up with a subsequent crash. That shit energy is also stimulant driven which breaks down tissue much rather than substrate driven energy which meat has. You do not understand human biology at all. Refrain from having children.

You are just imagining this blood sugar dopamine bs cause your head is filled with nonsense. You dont even live in reality, you live in ideas. Do you think animals in nature who want to eat a berry worry about this shit?

 

[StellaFanboy]

I dont have energy crashes, and if I did I'd kms, so according to ur science imma die in a couple hourse

He is a drooling retard, he doesnt understand that sweets are a different thing than a simple fruit

 

[polarpop]

I don't need clues to something I already know. Refute me or shut the fuck up

this gonna be a long read, but refute me aswell if you have any other contradictions.

point 1 you said gluconeogenesis makes dietary carbs obsolete because the liver just makes glucose. gng is a slow starvation survival mechanic not some sort of performance thing. for intense training fast twitch muscle fibers run on glycogen. fat oxidation is way too slow to fuel explosive movement.

point 2 you said carbs cause glycation and metabolic rusting. that literally only happens with uncontrolled diabetes. a healthy metabolism clears blood sugar way before it rusts any cells. plus cooking meat creates massive amounts of dietary ages anyway so this point is cooked.

point 3 you said glucose locks vitamin c out of the glutt1 transporter. this is the biggest carnivore myth ever active vitamin c uses svct1 and svct2 transporters it dosnt even compete with glucose. nobody is getting scurvy from eating a potato.

point 4 you called fiber an indigestible abrasive that scratches the gut. you are ignoring soluble fiber which turns into a soothing gel. gut bacteria literally eat fiber to produce butyrate which protects the gut lining. zero fiber means the gut bacteria starve and eat your own stomach mucus.

point 5 you said carbs force the liver into de novo lipogenesis and cause fatty liver. dnl from carbs is incredibly inefficient in humans and basically never happens without a massive chronic calorie surplus. eating carbs at maintenance doesnt magically congest the liver.

point 6 you claimed glucose makes more oxidative stress in the mitochondria than fat. this is fucking biochemically backwards burning fat takes way more oxygen and causes reverse electron transport which actually spits out way more reactive oxygen species.

point 7 you said carbs disrupt brain glutamate and cause neuro xcitotoxicity the human brain is literally designed to run on glucose. ketones are just a backup for starvation. if eating carbs fried the brain the whole planet would be fucking dead

point 8 you said insulin spikes block leptin so the brain thinks its starving insulin from whole food carbs doesnt block leptin at all being overweight and inflamed blocks leptin. boiled potatoes is scientifically the most filling food on earth

and for the conclusion about raw cow meat you said fat gives more atp. yeah it has more total atp but it costs way more oxygen to burn. carbs give more energy per unit of oxygen so they are way better for high output work. you said raw meat digests itself with its own enzymes to save energy. human stomach acid has a ph of 1.5. the second raw meat hits the somach that acid permanently destroys all the meat enzymes. the body still has to digest it. you said insulin suppresses growth hormone and collagen insulin is highly anabolic and is literally needed to shuttle amino acids into muscles and joints to rebuild tissue after training stop cherry picking pubmed links and thinking your smart to justify eating raw meet

 

[Palan]

You are just imagining this blood sugar dopamine bs cause your head is filled with nonsense. You dont even live in reality, you live in ideas. Do you think animals in nature who want to eat a berry worry about this shit?

imagine running out of biochemical arguments so you appeal to nature haha nice fallacy. Anyway, a bear has a cemum and specific gut microbiota made to ferment food into a short chain of fatty acids, and also, a bird has a specialized metabolism to handle high glucose throughout. As previously mentioned, we have HIGHLY acidic and monogastric stomach with a small colon. By design we are apex hyper carnivores haahha. I am also not imagining the blood sugar/dopamine response either.. it is a direct observation via continuous glucose monitors and fMRI brain scans. I can expand more into this if you would want me too but it would just burry you deeper.

 

[Palan]

this gonna be a long read, but refute me aswell if you have any other contradictions.
point 1 you said gluconeogenesis makes dietary carbs obsolete because the liver just makes glucose. gng is a slow starvation survival mechanic not some sort of performance thing. for intense training fast twitch muscle fibers run on glycogen. fat oxidation is way too slow to fuel explosive movement.

point 2 you said carbs cause glycation and metabolic rusting. that literally only happens with uncontrolled diabetes. a healthy metabolism clears blood sugar way before it rusts any cells. plus cooking meat creates massive amounts of dietary ages anyway so this point is cooked.

point 3 you said glucose locks vitamin c out of the glutt1 transporter. this is the biggest carnivore myth ever active vitamin c uses svct1 and svct2 transporters it dosnt even compete with glucose. nobody is getting scurvy from eating a potato.

point 4 you called fiber an indigestible abrasive that scratches the gut. you are ignoring soluble fiber which turns into a soothing gel. gut bacteria literally eat fiber to produce butyrate which protects the gut lining. zero fiber means the gut bacteria starve and eat your own stomach mucus.

point 5 you said carbs force the liver into de novo lipogenesis and cause fatty liver. dnl from carbs is incredibly inefficient in humans and basically never happens without a massive chronic calorie surplus. eating carbs at maintenance doesnt magically congest the liver.

point 6 you claimed glucose makes more oxidative stress in the mitochondria than fat. this is fucking biochemically backwards burning fat takes way more oxygen and causes reverse electron transport which actually spits out way more reactive oxygen species.

point 7 you said carbs disrupt brain glutamate and cause neuro xcitotoxicity the human brain is literally designed to run on glucose. ketones are just a backup for starvation. if eating carbs fried the brain the whole planet would be fucking dead

point 8 you said insulin spikes block leptin so the brain thinks its starving insulin from whole food carbs doesnt block leptin at all being overweight and inflamed blocks leptin. boiled potatoes is scientifically the most filling food on earth

and for the conclusion about raw cow meat you said fat gives more atp. yeah it has more total atp but it costs way more oxygen to burn. carbs give more energy per unit of oxygen so they are way better for high output work. you said raw meat digests itself with its own enzymes to save energy. human stomach acid has a ph of 1.5. the second raw meat hits the somach that acid permanently destroys all the meat enzymes. the body still has to digest it. you said insulin suppresses growth hormone and collagen insulin is highly anabolic and is literally needed to shuttle amino acids into muscles and joints to rebuild tissue after training stop cherry picking pubmed links and thinking your smart to justify eating raw meet

Love to see the effort!!!

*I await your refutation*

1. LOL! You are starting off strong aren't you? GNG is highly regulated, steady-state process. In a fat-adapted state, the liver is going to provide a stable 24/7 stream of glucose for the few tissues that require it (this being RBC's, and brain medulla)
In additive, once keto-adapted, athletes utilize INTRAMUSCULAR triglycerides for explosive movement. Furthermore, the body recycles lactate via the cori cycle to regenerate glycogen without needing a single gram of dietary starch ahahah. You are not starving; you are just simply metabolically AUTONOMOUS!!!

2.Glycation happens in normal ranges buddy, why are you claiming that glycation only happens in diabetics? What an oversight. Glycation is going to be a time-dependent and a non enzymatic reaction. Whenever you spike your blood sugar to 140+ mg/dL you are increasing the fractional rate of glycation. It is cumulative hahaha.
Now, dietary AGEs from cooked meat are largely not absorbed (less than 10%). Endogeneous AGEs (which are formed inside your body from high blood sugar) are THE REAL killers that crosslink your collagen and harden your arteries hahahah!

3. HAHAHAHA! OH MY GOSH!!! By citing svct1/2 you are ignoring the dehydroasorbic acid whicih is the oxidized form of vitamin C which exclusively uses GLUT1!!! Inside of the presence of high glucose, DHA CAN NOT ENTER THE CELL! The reason why this is, is because the body constantly recycles vitamin C, blocking the GLUT1 responder with glucose is going to make a functional deficiency even if the intake is high!!!! This is why sailors got SCURVY on a high carb hardtack but explorers survived on RAW MEAT ALONE!

4. LOL! Why are you spreading evolutional absurdities?? why are you claiming that bacteria will eat your stomach mucus without fiber? that is so stupid. Anyway, to respond to that, gut bacteria are highly adaptive. In the absence of fiber, the microbiome is going to shift to amino acid fermenting bacteria which actually produce beneficial metabolites without the gas and bloating of plant fermentation
In additive, it is not gel, the solubule fiber actually still slows down nutrient absorption and chelates minerals. ZERO FIBER DIETS lead to the deepest gut healing by removing the mechanical and chemical irritants that cause leaky gut!

5. You have ROS production backwards hahahaha glucose metabolism creates a high atp/o2 ratio but a massive superoxide leak at complex I of the election transport chain. Fatty acid oxidation *from the meat* is more electronically dense, thus so leading to a more stable flow and fewer free radicals.

6. I don't know why you would claim that stomach acid permanently destroys all meat enzymes, that is one of the most stupidest claims I have heard. Many enzymes are acid stable or are protected with the food matrix as it transitions into the dueodenum, where pH rises and they become ACTVE AGAIN!! JFL!!! Furthermore, the structual integrity of raw meat *whicih is de-natured by head* allows your own enzymes to penetrate the tissue far more efficiently than the tightened fibers of cooked meat!!!!!! hahahah

7.Insulin is highly anabolic....... FOR FAT STORAGE LOLLL! High insulin levels inhibit autophagy *cellular cleanup* and hGH release. To rebuild tissue, you need amino acid signaling, which meat provides WITHOUT the chronic insulin spike that prevents fat burning and cellular repair.

Imagine ignoring mitochondrial homeostasis.

 

[xandylooksmaxs]

cheers

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

boost boost boost boost boost

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

b

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

boost

 

[zap]

DNR (Did not RandleCycle )

 

[mustfye]

fructoseiq would like to have a word wit u

 

[agustoz]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

Why so big

 

[Palan]

fructoseiq would like to have a word wit u

hahahah he is the reason why I got into all of this into the first place, still love the guy though even after he changed

 

[peterk1287]

ur brain functions on glucose

 

[Palan]

Why so big

I dont know

 

[Palan]

ur brain functions on glucose

Hello, you are confusing cellular fuel requirement with dietary intake requirement. Through gluconeogenesis your liver liver continiously synthesizes the exact amount of glucose the brain needs from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic acids from raw meat..

your brain needs glucose but it never needs you to eat a single carbohydrate to get it .

 

[peterk1287]

Hello, you are confusing cellular fuel requirement with dietary intake requirement. Through gluconeogenesis your liver liver continiously synthesizes the exact amount of glucose the brain needs from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic acids from raw meat..

your brain needs glucose but it never needs you to eat a single carbohydrate to get it .

good this was a test

 

[Palan]

good this was a test

its all love man

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

boost, people must know

 

[LookzMaxxerSyn]

FructoseIQ says to eat carbs now so ill listen to him

 

[Palan]

FructoseIQ says to eat carbs now so ill listen to him

bro faceiq is really fucking me up right now man

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

@Zagro

 

[Striated]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

in eating carbs you are essentially trading longevity for energy

carbs mog so it doesn't matter

 

[Palan]

in eating carbs you are essentially trading longevity for energy

LOL beta-oxidation from fatty acids from RAW MEAT yields significantly more ATP per molecule than the glucose derived from carbohydrates. A SINGLE molecule of palmitate yields 106 ATP, while a molecule of glucose only yields 30-32 ATP LOL! By doing your method you are trading molecular structural integrity for an inefficient, high ROS sugar spike haha

 

[Striated]

LOL beta-oxidation from fatty acids from RAW MEAT yields significantly more ATP per molecule than the glucose derived from carbohydrates. A SINGLE molecule of palmitate yields 106 ATP, while a molecule of glucose only yields 30-32 ATP LOL! By doing your method you are trading molecular structural integrity for an inefficient, high ROS sugar spike haha

dnr faggot

 

[Palan]

dnr faggot

fuck you aussie fuck

 

[polarpop]

Love to see the effort!!!

*I await your refutation*

1. LOL! You are starting off strong aren't you? GNG is highly regulated, steady-state process. In a fat-adapted state, the liver is going to provide a stable 24/7 stream of glucose for the few tissues that require it (this being RBC's, and brain medulla)
In additive, once keto-adapted, athletes utilize INTRAMUSCULAR triglycerides for explosive movement. Furthermore, the body recycles lactate via the cori cycle to regenerate glycogen without needing a single gram of dietary starch ahahah. You are not starving; you are just simply metabolically AUTONOMOUS!!!

2.Glycation happens in normal ranges buddy, why are you claiming that glycation only happens in diabetics? What an oversight. Glycation is going to be a time-dependent and a non enzymatic reaction. Whenever you spike your blood sugar to 140+ mg/dL you are increasing the fractional rate of glycation. It is cumulative hahaha.
Now, dietary AGEs from cooked meat are largely not absorbed (less than 10%). Endogeneous AGEs (which are formed inside your body from high blood sugar) are THE REAL killers that crosslink your collagen and harden your arteries hahahah!

3. HAHAHAHA! OH MY GOSH!!! By citing svct1/2 you are ignoring the dehydroasorbic acid whicih is the oxidized form of vitamin C which exclusively uses GLUT1!!! Inside of the presence of high glucose, DHA CAN NOT ENTER THE CELL! The reason why this is, is because the body constantly recycles vitamin C, blocking the GLUT1 responder with glucose is going to make a functional deficiency even if the intake is high!!!! This is why sailors got SCURVY on a high carb hardtack but explorers survived on RAW MEAT ALONE!

4. LOL! Why are you spreading evolutional absurdities?? why are you claiming that bacteria will eat your stomach mucus without fiber? that is so stupid. Anyway, to respond to that, gut bacteria are highly adaptive. In the absence of fiber, the microbiome is going to shift to amino acid fermenting bacteria which actually produce beneficial metabolites without the gas and bloating of plant fermentation
In additive, it is not gel, the solubule fiber actually still slows down nutrient absorption and chelates minerals. ZERO FIBER DIETS lead to the deepest gut healing by removing the mechanical and chemical irritants that cause leaky gut!

5. You have ROS production backwards hahahaha glucose metabolism creates a high atp/o2 ratio but a massive superoxide leak at complex I of the election transport chain. Fatty acid oxidation *from the meat* is more electronically dense, thus so leading to a more stable flow and fewer free radicals.

6. I don't know why you would claim that stomach acid permanently destroys all meat enzymes, that is one of the most stupidest claims I have heard. Many enzymes are acid stable or are protected with the food matrix as it transitions into the dueodenum, where pH rises and they become ACTVE AGAIN!! JFL!!! Furthermore, the structual integrity of raw meat *whicih is de-natured by head* allows your own enzymes to penetrate the tissue far more efficiently than the tightened fibers of cooked meat!!!!!! hahahah

7.Insulin is highly anabolic....... FOR FAT STORAGE LOLLL! High insulin levels inhibit autophagy *cellular cleanup* and hGH release. To rebuild tissue, you need amino acid signaling, which meat provides WITHOUT the chronic insulin spike that prevents fat burning and cellular repair.

Imagine ignoring mitochondrial homeostasis.

ill respond to this shi later ive been busy asf mb

also rep bro

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

@infrainfra

 

[infrainfra]

The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 r

around 10% of the vit C in the blood uses this transporter. the other 90% ones uses SVCT1 that is glucose independent.

3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN

protein and aminoacids also spike insulin same mechanism. tho you need insulin its anabolic. learn about igfbps.


theoretically yeah carbs arent essential but the reason a lot of people like faceiq quit carnivore because its so counter intuitive to avoid sugar/glucose which literally tastes so good for a reason. if you look at the isotope analysis of our ancestors bone you can see a lot of nitrogen which indicates we as a species ate a lot of meat. these isotopes do NOT track carbohydrate consumption as thats impossible. i remember them speculating tubers being around 10% of protein but if you do the math and see how many protein tubers have that comes down to around ~hundreds od grams of carbs.



also faceiq has been reviewing blood tests of his schools raw carnivores and the thyroid and free testosterone levels where low. and that was consistent across everybody. he came up with the idea to quit the diet


if your argument for meat only is “we lived in the ice age” , “no fruit in the ice age” yeah thats true but the first humans lived in Africa and probably stayed in Africa.


first thing u consume after birth btw :

 

[Palan]

around 10% of the vit C in the blood uses this transporter. the other 90% ones uses SVCT1 that is glucose independent.

protein and aminoacids also spike insulin same mechanism. tho you need insulin its anabolic. learn about igfbps.


theoretically yeah carbs arent essential but the reason a lot of people like faceiq quit carnivore because its so counter intuitive to avoid sugar/glucose which literally tastes so good for a reason. if you look at the isotope analysis of our ancestors bone you can see a lot of nitrogen which indicates we as a species ate a lot of meat. these isotopes do NOT track carbohydrate consumption as thats impossible. i remember them speculating tubers being around 10% of protein but if you do the math and see how many protein tubers have that comes down to around ~hundreds od grams of carbs.



also faceiq has been reviewing blood tests of his schools raw carnivores and the thyroid and free testosterone levels where low. and that was consistent across everybody. he came up with the idea to quit the diet


if your argument for meat only is “we lived in the ice age” , “no fruit in the ice age” yeah thats true but the first humans lived in Africa and probably stayed in Africa.


first thing u consume after birth btw :

Yo, why are you attempting to dismiss the glucose-competency argument by citing SVCT1 and SVCT2 transponder... mean whilst the ascorbic acid uses SVCT pathways, its oxidized form which is DHA exclusively translocates via the GLUT1 receptor. INSIDE of a high-carbohydrate environment, elevated blood glucose directly out-competes DHA for cellular entry. Because the human body continuously cycles vitamin C between its reduced and oxidized states to mitigate oxidative stress!! Closing the door on GLUT1 with DIETARY SUGAR is going to make an intentional tissue deficiency!!! On THE zero carb, raw meat diet. Your systemic need for Vitamin C drops exponentially because YOUR recycling pathways face zero competitive inhibition from glucose. In additive, I do not understand why you would claim that protein spikes insulin in a similar manner to carbs.. You cannot tell me that you are defending insulin as a generic anabolic savior mean whilst telling me to learn about igfbp's... total inversion of endocrine frfr.

when one consumes raw meat, the amino acid influx triggers a simultaneously, protective secretion of Glucagon. This counter-regulatory hormone prevents blood sugar crashes and keeps the metabolic engine inside of a balanced and homeostatic state. In additive, CHronic insulin spikes from dietary carbs which I am against as previously mentioned suppress IGFBP-1 and IGFBP-3. When those binding complexes are suppressed, a chotic unregulated wave of free igf-1 is going to OBJECTIVELY be released. It is a primary mechanistic driver of systemic inflammation, cellular proliferation, and the total shutdown of autophagy. Meat driven amino acid sigaling is going to activate mTOR precisely without the destructive and chronic suppression of your cellular cleanup cells...

About FaceIQ... He is misinterpreting down regulated cellular demand as organ failure, whenever you eliminate carbohydrates, your liver no longer required a MASSIVE VOLUME of T3 to manage glucose clearance. Your total T3 drops meanwhile your FREE T3 remains completely stable. This is not hypothyroidism; it is thyroid efficiency. YOUR receptors become sensitive, maintaining a pristine basal metabolic rate with ZERO energy wasted producing unnecessary hormone volume!

Now, on zero carb, sex hormone binding globulin naturally stabilizes to protect circulating sex hormones from immediate degradation. Total testosterone remains high. If face actually saw their free testosterone tank it is a basic failure of caloric inadequacy. I will hold to user error and not blueprint error.

Also, why did you try to balance the animal based isotope data by claiming that early africans ate hundreds of grams of carbs through wild tubers?? Brother this is a mathematical and archaeological absurdity haahh.. Illl explain it why....

MODERN POTATOES and yams are HEAVILY modified, starchy cultivars.... Wild african tubers are highly fibrous, woody, and unpalatable structures. They are so packed with indigestible cellulose that WE must chew for hours just to spit out the dry pulp!! The actual, absorbable carbohydrate yield is close to zero.... Stable isotope analysis of early human remains consistently demonstrates nitrogen-15 ratios that match or exceed carnivores like hyenas and wolves.

Now, a human infant possesses an enormous brain to body mass ratio, but its liver is structurally immature, meaning its gluconeogenesis pathway cannot yet fully supply the massive glucose demand required for early neural myelination... Lactose is an evolutionary emergency bridge.

anyway, despite the lactose content, BREASTFED infants exist inside of a state of mild and constant physiological ketosis. Their brain uses fat-derived ketones and lactose sugars SIMULTANEOUSLY as dual substrates. As the child ages tho, the gut down regulates lactase expression and the liver assumes total autonomous control over blood glucose via GNG.

 

[Palan]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

boost

 

[infrainfra]

Also, why did you try to balance the animal based isotope data by claiming that early africans ate hundreds of grams of carbs through wild tubers?? Brother this is a mathematical and archaeological absurdity haahh.. Illl explain it why....

still protein from tubers are there doesnt change a thing. also since first humans where in africa not only tubers are available.

theoretically the carnivore diet is optimal but theres a reason glucose tastes so good.

and inuit who eat only raw meat as you know are extremely short. maybe its due to the fact that its cold there and they dont need long limbs

 

[Palan]

still protein from tubers are there doesnt change a thing. also since first humans where in africa not only tubers are available.

theoretically the carnivore diet is optimal but theres a reason glucose tastes so good.

and inuit who eat only raw meat as you know are extremely short. maybe its due to the fact that its cold there and they dont need long limbs

son, eriosema or vigna species of uncultivated tubers contain a DISMAL 1 to 2 percent protein by weight which is surrounded by a dense wall of indigestible lignified cellulose. To get a meager 50 grams of protein from a wild tuber, an early would have to dig up, chew, and process over 11 pounds (5kg) of raw wood.... That metabolic energy expended upon digging and chewing would vastly exceed the caloric return...

Now, just because it tastes good doesnt mean that our bodies are designed to seek it out.... our dopamine reward centers evolved in an environment of extreme scarcity. Your brain is hardwired to exploit a rare and seasonal survival exploit, why? Because for an early hominid, encountering a wild berry bush twice a year was a signal to gorge on fructose to induce rapid fat storage to survive an upcoming winter FAMINE!!! FFS!

In additive, I do not understand why you claim that the inuit are short because they only eat raw milk ahahaha... anyway thank you for proving bergmann's and allen's rules of ecogeographical adaptation. Short limbs and a stocky, compact torso are a MANDATORY evolutionary response to EXTREME COLD. A sphere has the lowest surface area to volume ratio, meaning a compact body shape MAXIMALLY conserves core body heat and minimizes thermal energy dissipation. This has NOTHING to do with nutritional deficiency from meat!!!! In additive, DESPITE living in an environment with zero agriculture, ZERO fruit, ZERO vegetables for THOUSANDS of years, the Inuit still managed pristine bone density, NO cardiovascular glycation, and zero instances of scurvy before the introduction of moronic western processed CARBOHYDRATES! They are the living and anatomical proof that raw, ruminant (and blubber) supply 100% of the structural prerequisites for extreme human survival. I will genuinely like to see how you logically refute this.

 

[sherry12]

I do not know much about threads but I am just here to spread OBJECTIVE research on WHY carbs are bad.
(This is going to be my first thread expanding my position, I am open to critique so ask away if you have any doubts.)
1. There has been something going around based around the idea that there is a dietary requirement for carbohydrates in humans. I will agree that there are some specific tissues that require glucose, however the liver maintains precise blood sugar levels through Gluconeogenesis. That process synthesizes glucose from the glycerol backbone of fats and glucogenic amino acids from meats which would thus so render dietary starch as *obsolete*

Carbohydrates - Diet and Health - NCBI Bookshelf

Physiology, Gluconeogenesis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

2. Consuming carbs is going to initiate the process of non-enzymatic glycation. That is going to occur whenever glucose or fructose molecules bond to your proteins *ex., collagen, hemoglobin* and lipids, which is going to create AGEs (or advanced glycation end products). Those compounds are going to cross link with your tissues thus causing metabolic rusting which stiffens the arteries and accelerates cellular aging.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36144449/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. The requirement for vitamin C is going to be artificially inflated by carb consumption!!! Vitamin C and Glucose share the GLUT1 responder to enter cells. Because they are structurally similar, high blood glucose out-competes the Vitamin C, effectively locking it out entirely. On a zero carb meat diet, your Vitamin C requirements are minimal because there is no glucose interference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
4. (This is going to be about fiber, if you already know what fiber does feel free to skip over this one) To begin, mechanistically fiber is going to be an indigestible abrasive that if consumed is going to scratch the mucosal lining. Evidence shows that removing fiber completely resolves constipation and IBS, whereas adding it increases fecal bulk and colonic pressure. *Meat and raw dairy are however absorbed almost 100% in the small intestine, thus leaving zero fermentable waste.*
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22969234/
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
5. De Novo Lipogenesis and fatty liver. Excess carbohydrates, ESPECIALLY fructose are going to force the liver into DNL. That is going to create palmitic acid and triglycerides intenrally, leading to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Unlike animal fats which are used for structural integrity, carb-driven fats are going to be metabolic shit that are going to congest the liver and disrupt your systemic insulin sensitivity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36601218/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4405421/
6. Mitochondrial Superoxide Production. Glucose metabolism creates a higher leak for the reactive oxygen species in the mitochondrial electron transport chain compared to fatty acid oxidation. THIS chronic oxidative stress damages mitochondrial DNA and triggers CELLULAR APOTOSIS!! In better comparison, switching to meat based fats STABILIZES the mitochondrial membrane and is going to REDUCE oxidative exhaust.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19587708/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3969383/
7. The Neuro-Excitotoxicity and the Glutamate.... Carbohydrate based diets are going to disrupt the brain's balance of Glutamate (excitatory) and GABA (inhibitory). High glucose levels are going to be associated with neuro-excitotoxicity, leading to cognitive fatigue and anxiety. Once again, to compare, a zero-carb, meat-based diet is going to shift the brain to ketone bodies, which increases GABA production, thus protecting neurons from over-excitation and providing superior cognitive stability.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18094705/
8. The leptin-resistance cycle! Carbs introduce chronic insulin spikes that eventually block leptin signaling in YOUR brain! As you may know leptin is the satiety hormone so when you eart carbs, your brain thinks its starving when the body fat is high *this is why you people trying to lose fat on carbs cannot lose weight.. because you keep getting fucking fat due to the carbs since more hunger = more gain in weight*. Raw meat and animal fats are going to OBJECTIVELY provide the MOST STABLE satiety signal through Cholecystokinin and Peptide YY, bypssing the leptin resistance entirely.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41478465/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11510221/
To conclude I will give my argumentations on why RAW COW MEAT is going to the best/absolute solution.
1. The ATP efficiency gap. Carbs are an inflationary energy source. They are going to create a massive spike in reactive oxygen species thus forcing the cell to spend its own energy on cleanup. Now, beta-oxidation of animal fats from raw meat is clean energy and it produces significantly more ATP per molecule with a fraction of the oxidative exhaust.

Tissue specific roles of fatty acid oxidation - PMC

Mitochondrial long chain fatty acid β-oxidation is a critical central carbon catabolic process. The importance of fatty acid oxidation is made evident by the life-threatening disease associated with diverse inborn errors in the pathway. While inborn ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. Carbs are fiber require a very intense energy-draining fermentation process in the gut (producing gas and methane.) Raw cow meat on the other hand are going to contain its own active prosteases and lipases. It is pre-digested by its own enzymes. It enters your bloodstream via active transport with near-zero energy cost. So, you are gaining 100% of the nutrient with 0% of the digestive tax (if you wish.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41161343/
3. As said previously carbs spike insulin... however, it also SUPRESSES growth hormone and inhibits the synthesis of NEW COLLAGEN. Raw cow meat is going to proceed to provide the EXACT hydroxyproline and amino acid matrix that is required to rebuild your joints, your skin, and YOUR ORGANS! By replacing carbs with meat you are replacing glycated tissues with HIGH INTEGRITY RAW PROTEIN!

Significant Amounts of Functional Collagen Peptides Can Be Incorporated in the Diet While Maintaining Indispensable Amino Acid Balance - PMC

The results of twenty years of research indicate that the inclusion of collagen peptides in the diet can lead to various improvements in health. According to the current protein quality evaluation method PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-corrected Amino ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for reading my first thread!

Retard of the day alert!!!!! Carbs are without a doubt the most important macro