ccw rotation

[carti lover]

if i use TADs to bring all my upper teeth higher would the mandible have ccw rotation? id also have posterior bite blocks so would my mandible rotate and give me more chin projecton?

 

[agarthand1]

Yes but this only works in growth period

 

[carti lover]

Yes but this only works in growth period

im 14 it would still work right?

 

[neverstresssss]

if i use TADs to bring all my upper teeth higher would the mandible have ccw rotation?

For this to work you would need to bring all you front teeth up which wouldn't be practical and would most likely mess up your bite.
Also ur not causing true skeletal change meaning your maxilla is in the same position as before and you will still have that long narrow face from the front profile.

 

[agarthand1]

im 14 it would still work right?

Yea I don't see how you'd be done with puberty by 14

 

[carti lover]

For this to work you would need to bring all you front teeth up which wouldn't be practical and would most likely mess up your bite.
Also ur not causing true skeletal change meaning your maxilla is in the same position as before and you will still have that long narrow face from the front profile.

my goal is ccw rotation in my mandible my maxilla is fine its just my mandible? im still 14 and id rather have a fucked up bite and good ccw rotation then a good bite and my cooked gonial angle

 

[agarthand1]

my goal is ccw rotation in my mandible my maxilla is fine its just my mandible? im still 14 and id rather have a fucked up bite and good ccw rotation then a good bite and my cooked gonial angle

Firstly messing with your bite would just give you a massive underbite that would just lead to more problems and also even if you wanted to go through with it no ortho would allow it if your bite isn't the problem.

 

[neverstresssss]

my goal is ccw rotation in my mandible my maxilla is fine its just my mandible? im still 14 and id rather have a fucked up bite and good ccw rotation then a good bite and my cooked gonial angle

I completly understand that but the thing is you can't do it to yourself, an ortho will have to and noone in the right mind will ever do that. Also if your Maxilla is fine i dont see how you could have downward growth.

 

[carti lover]

Firstly messing with your bite would just give you a massive underbite that would just lead to more problems and also even if you wanted to go through with it no ortho would allow it if your bite isn't the problem.

so if i projected my maxilla even more my mandible would follow its path right?

 

[carti lover]

I completly understand that but the thing is you can't do it to yourself, an ortho will have to and noone in the right mind will ever do that. Also if your Maxilla is fine i dont see how you could have downward growth.

my gonial angle is high but my maxilla is completely normal


my gonial angle is like 127-130 from what i know

 

[carti lover]

I completly understand that but the thing is you can't do it to yourself, an ortho will have to and noone in the right mind will ever do that. Also if your Maxilla is fine i dont see how you could have downward growth.

my ortho has offerd anything ive asked for i was pretty stupid and asked for a herbst for no reason when i first met them and they agreed i havent even had any orthodntics yet and ive changed my mind about the herbst because i dont want to elongate my face even more

 

[neverstresssss]

my gonial angle is high but my maxilla is completely normal


my gonial angle is like 127-130 from what i know

Then you probably just have a short ramus which is completly genetic. I'd recommend looking at old childhood photos to see if your ramus was alsways like this. If it was then all you can do is surgery.

 

[carti lover]

Then you probably just have a short ramus which is completly genetic. I'd recommend looking at old childhood photos to see if your ramus was alsways like this. If it was then all you can do is surgery.

my ramus is actally quite average ill measure it for you hold up

 

[agarthand1]

so if i projected my maxilla even more my mandible would follow its path right?

Yes but their are only a cut few ways you can go about maxilla projection which would most likely be surgery

 

[neverstresssss]

my ramus is actally quite average ill measure it for you hold up

If your maxilla is fine and your Ramus is normal how tf could u have a bad gonial angle. At this point just send a pic in pm's

 

[carti lover]

Then you probably just have a short ramus which is completly genetic. I'd recommend looking at old childhood photos to see if your ramus was alsways like this. If it was then all you can do is surgery.

my ramus is 4cms from the top to the bottom

 

[carti lover]

Yes but their are only a cut few ways you can go about maxilla projection which would most likely be surgery

could head gear help at my age? or what other orthodntics could i do

 

[agarthand1]

Then you probably just have a short ramus which is completly genetic. I'd recommend looking at old childhood photos to see if your ramus was alsways like this. If it was then all you can do is surgery.

Have you tried measuring your side with the frankfort plane?

 

[neverstresssss]

my ramus is 4cms from the top to the bottom

Either send a pm of ur side profile or look at old childhood photos of ur side profile.

 

[carti lover]

Either send a pm of ur side profile or look at old childhood photos of ur side profile.

what would looking at old photos tell me?

 

[carti lover]

Have you tried measuring your side with the frankfort plane?

im a iqlet whats that

 

[agarthand1]

could head gear help at my age? or what other orthodntics could i do

Yea it would have to be applied after split has been achieved and you may get a mm or 2 of forward growth cause your young but don't expect anything special.

 

[neverstresssss]

what would looking at old photos tell me?

To see if your are genetically fucked or if you were a mouth breather

 

[carti lover]

Have you tried measuring your side with the frankfort plane?

i just measued its 9.5cms i think from the ear thingy to the infras

 

[neverstresssss]

Have you tried measuring your side with the frankfort plane?

no i havent

 

[carti lover]

To see if your are genetically fucked or if you were a mouth breather

ive never ever been a mouth breather could downwadhead posture of caused this? from ages 9-12 i was addicted to gaming and i always had horrid posture

 

[neverstresssss]

ive never ever been a mouth breather could downwadhead posture of caused this? from ages 9-12 i was addicted to gaming and i always had horrid posture

bro idk untill i see a side profile photo or you analysye your childhood photos yourself. Measuring stuff can't help me imagine your flaws and what u need to work on.

 

[carti lover]

bro idk untill i see a side profile photo or you analysye your childhood photos yourself. Measuring stuff can't help me imagine your flaws and what u need to work on.

ill try and find a old photo