Children should be soldiers, not adults.

[imontheloose]

Granted the most useful form of a human is the adult, why do we sacrifice them in the name of saving newborn children?

Considering you could have a new child in 9 months, or a 30-year-old in 30 years; the latter being a more free functioning, fully developed human. Why do we even bother? If you say children are inefficient soldiers, who cares? They’ll be up against their fellow inefficient soldiers.

The adult has history, memories, and much more people who care about them, or at least aware of them. Not to mention these adults will contribute far more in the current time than any newborn child could. Guesstimating that sacrificing a valuable adult for a random child you could conceive tomorrow will somehow be beneficial is rather indisputable unless you’re a moral emotivist. And I feel like that’s wrong. Pun intended.

 

[imontheloose]

@wishIwasSalludon @Jason Voorhees @nobodylovesme @chadbeingmade @Jonasㅤㅤ thoughts?

 

[weedwacker]

children don’t have the coherence to carry out 90% of orders they would receive
what the fuck are you talking about

 

[Vermilioncore]

I agree then I can sit back with a beer and a pizza balancing on my fat beer gut as I watch tv and they die for my freedom. Ooorahh!

 

[Proex]

high iq but as 20 year old i ain't going

 

[imontheloose]

I agree then I can sit back with a beer and a pizza balancing on my fat beer gut as I watch tv and they die for my freedom. Ooorahh!

Ok, Killer.

 

[Copercel]

Granted the most useful form of a human is the adult, why do we sacrifice them in the name of saving newborn children?

Considering you could have a new child in 9 months, or a 30-year-old in 30 years; the latter being a more free functioning, fully developed human. Why do we even bother? If you say children are inefficient soldiers, who cares? They’ll be up against their fellow inefficient soldiers.

The adult has history, memories, and much more people who care about them, or at least aware of them. Not to mention these adults will contribute far more in the current time than any newborn child could. Guesstimating that sacrificing a valuable adult for a random child you could conceive tomorrow will somehow be beneficial is rather indisputable unless you’re a moral emotivist. And I feel like that’s wrong. Pun intended.

 

[trvechud]

I do agree that the age of enlistment should be 15-16 not 18

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

@wishIwasSalludon @Jason Voorhees @nobodylovesme @chadbeingmade @Jonasㅤㅤ thoughts

I’m sorry but I read the title and

 

[imontheloose]

I do agree that the age of enlistment should be 15-16 not 18

Why not younger?

 

[superpsycho]

only normies should be soldiers

incels should be able to sit back and chill

 

[imontheloose]

I’m sorry but I read the title and

Thoughts?

 

[trvechud]

Why not younger?

Not much use for a 13 year old soldier unless you're desperate af

 

[chadisbeingmade]

From Fortnite straight to the battle ground.

 

[imontheloose]

From Fortnite straight to the battle ground.

Maybe the Volkssturm would’ve worked if I was Goebbels.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Granted the most useful form of a human is the adult

Utilitarianism always struck me as off putting

So many ethical perspectives to consider and ur conclusion on morality is just “what’s good is what’s useful”

It’s an incredibly boring philosophy imo

 

[imontheloose]

Utilitarianism always struck me as off putting

So many ethical perspectives to consider and ur conclusion on morality is just “what’s good is what’s useful”

It’s an incredibly boring philosophy imo

I am pointing out utilitarian absurdity as well as others. The only framework you can combat this with is emotive morality.

 

[lifeless]

no lol fuck old people

 

[wollet2]

i want to puke. i hate war. why are people so stupiddddd

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Anyways the practical reason is that a country that uses child soldiers will lose to one that doesnt

For maximum utility a country should just sacrifice low status men(such as myself) to be used as cannon fodder for wars

Which is what already happens, if a war breaks out the first people sent to the butcher will be dudes like me

 

[asdvek]

I wish this were a thing when you were a newborn so you died

 

[imontheloose]

i want to puke. i hate war. why are people so stupiddddd

War is cruel!

 

[2414763h]

 

[2414763h]

Guys already got the answer?

 

[imontheloose]

Anyways the practical reason is that a country that uses child soldiers will lose to one that doesnt

For maximum utility a country should just sacrifice low status men(such as myself) to be used as cannon fodder for wars

Which is what already happens, if a war breaks out the first people sent to the butcher will be dudes like me

I’m imposing a hypothetical that international law succumbed to this ruling. Not that I’m anticipating it be broken. You can just say what if the other side didn’t obey the international law? That already applies whether you use extremities or not.

There is genuinely nothing apart from complaining about inefficiency which makes sense other than emotivism.

 

[imontheloose]

i want to puke. i hate war. why are people so stupiddddd

Send knajjd to war.

 

[R@m@]

Criminals should fight wars

 

[imontheloose]

Criminals should fight wars

Lisbon would have a zero population.

 

[2414763h]

I’m imposing a hypothetical that international law succumbed to this ruling. Not that I’m anticipating it be broken. You can just say what if the other side didn’t obey the international law? That already applies whether you use extremities or not.

There is genuinely nothing apart from complaining about inefficiency which makes sense other than emotivism.

Child soldiers are easy because you need to pay them as much all you need is some food for them

 

[Manchild_v2]

legit thread. an educated functional adult is a very expensivre difficult to replace resource.

a young adult and teenager is ideal for canon fodder. but not so young that they can get easily defeated by older more experienced adults

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I am pointing out utilitarian absurdity as well as others. The only framework you can combat this with is emotive morality.

Ok just to be clear the point of this post is to point out that utilitarianism leads to ethical absurdities?

 

[Manchild_v2]

16-20 is ideal for solider for modern warfare though. our weapons of war are too advanced

 

[R@m@]

Lisbon would have a zero population.

Criminals and prisoners wouldn't be good soldiers probably

They might be able to kill and be more reckless than the average person but they wouldn't follow orders and would commit war crimes

 

[imontheloose]

Ok just to be clear the point of this post is to point out that utilitarianism leads to ethical absurdities?

To a degree, yes. Not just utilitarianism, but essentially all secular frameworks bar emotivism.

 

[Manchild_v2]

children don’t have the coherence to carry out 90% of orders they would receive
what the fuck are you talking about

yeah modern warfare kinda makes using young abults and teenagers less effective. but still you can train a highschooler to carry out most of the infantry positions

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

To a degree, yes. Not just utilitarianism, but essentially all secular frameworks bar emotivism.

I mean I wish I could say anything insightful

But what you’re saying makes sense and you seem to have summed it up well

 

[imontheloose]

I mean I wish I could say anything insightful

But what your saying makes sense and you seem to have summed it up well

People are saying that children are inefficient and that’s the problem. But you have inefficient against inefficient. You can amend international law to encourage this sort of warfare anyway. Just like if you removed the efficient, the then inefficient are now the norm.

And thank you!

 

[wollet2]

do you think such law would trigger public upset in the adult population, in turn making them more proactive anti war

also how would would you convince the majority to vote for this

 

[imontheloose]

do you think such law would trigger public upset in the adult population, in turn making them more proactive anti war

also how would would you convince the majority to vote for this

It would, but that’s merely emotional. I wouldn’t convince the population to vote for this. I’m not actually encouraging this to happen. I’m pointing out an absurdity in secular frameworks which can’t exactly be refuted unless you say, “it feels wrong!”

#SENDKNAJJDTOWAR

 

[weedwacker]

yeah modern warfare kinda makes using young abults and teenagers less effective. but still you can train a highschooler to carry out most of the infantry positions

maybe
things like clearing out a building are much more complex than you may think in urban warfare

i think in an open battlefield you’re correct

you have to be wary that countries may accidentally commit war crimes if they’re undertrained too

 

[wollet2]

It would, but that’s merely emotional. I wouldn’t convince the population to vote for this. I’m not actually encouraging this to happen. I’m pointing out an absurdity in secular frameworks which can’t exactly be refuted unless you say, “it feels wrong!”

#SENDKNAJJDTOWAR

i think if everyone became more self/other conscious or high inhib the world would be a better place but idk

i literally get near panic attacks because how stupid some people are, not just because of their rigid stupid beliefs but also their inability to invest in and understand other point of views

 

[ElySioNs]

high iq but as 20 year old i ain't going

welcome back

 

[imontheloose]

i think if everyone became more self/other conscious or high inhib the world would be a better place but idk

i literally get near panic attacks because how stupid some people are, not just because of their rigid stupid beliefs but also their inability to invest in and understand other point of views

 

[Proex]

welcome back

take a look

good to be back from 90% ban

@bottleofwater mirin? omg yessir!!!

looksmax.org

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

People are saying that children are inefficient and that’s the problem. But you have inefficient against inefficient. You can amend international law to encourage this sort of warfare anyway. Just like if you removed the efficient, the then inefficient are now the norm.

And thank you!

Would you consider yourself a believer in emotivism?

 

[wollet2]

what are u thoughts on future wars being operated with ai soldiers drones

also are u legitimately not afraid of ai powered human dictatorship

 

[imontheloose]

Would you consider yourself a believer in emotivism?

No.

 

[imontheloose]

what are u thoughts on future wars being operated with ai soldiers drones

Could happen. You could automate it to attack any moving object at the moment (terribly inefficient), but soon I imagine it’ll be able to spot a human. Problem is it could easily be misled by a fake mask or other easy deceptions. Plus, it can’t understand surrendering like a human could.

also are u legitimately not afraid of ai powered human dictatorship

Not at all.

 

[nobodylovesme]

People are saying that children are inefficient and that’s the problem. But you have inefficient against inefficient. You can amend international law to encourage this sort of warfare anyway. Just like if you removed the efficient, the then inefficient are now the norm.

And thank you!

I mean if this kind of law gets passed, this world doomed.

But, yes I agree for nation a kid is a speculative asset, while adults are already paying the dividends. Sacrificing the latter for former is just stupid.

This hypothetical just goes too strongly against human nature(protecting the young). If people start slaughtering children for power battles, it would be too absurd. A complete control of the state would have to be in order. So much for freedom.

 

[wollet2]

Not at all.

why, its one of my fears. do you think we have any realistic chance of curing diseases with ai in the future btw