Chloropentamminecobalt chloride: upcoming new meta for leanmaxxing?

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All the stuff I will talk about in this thread comes from the following study:

Study summary, importance of Mrs2 transporter:

Basically, in your mitochondria, there are certain magnesium ion transporters called Mrs2. When magnesium ions enter your mitochondria, they generally reduce the rate at which cellular respiration occurs, thereby slowing your metabolism. Therefore, by restricting magnesium entry into the mitochondria, one could theoretically significantly increase their metabolic rate.

In the study, scientists first genetically modified mice to have nonfunctional Mrs2 transporters. They fed some mice a high-fat Western diet, while other mice were fed a normal mouse kibble diet. This resulted in the following results.
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"WT" refers to wild type, meaning those groups still had the Mrs2 transporter.

As you can see, the group with the Mrs2 transporter knockout experienced less weight gain, even while eating the high-fat Western diet, while the groups with the Mrs2 transporter got mega fat.

Therefore, it can be concluded that Mrs2 heavily decreases basal metabolic rate because it transports Mg2+ into the mitochondria.
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Additionally, this figure demonstrates that the Mrs2 knockout & Western diet mice had a metabolic rate approximately 160% of their wild-type counterparts while eating the same diet.


How this relates to us as genetically normal humans:

The scientists also gave wild-type (normal) mice a compound called Chloropentamminecobalt chloride (CPAAC), which inhibits the Mrs2 transporter without needing genetic modification. As you can see, the groups that received the CPAAC experienced much less weight gain than the groups that just received the vehicle (carrier oil for the CPAAC).
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Additionally, rather interesting was the fact that the group of mice that received the CPAAC also had lower ALT activity, which indicates a healthier liver, and possibly that CPAAC can be hepatoprotective.

Potential Caveats to using CPAAC

According to the study, CPAAC is very mildly cytotoxic (damages cells). It is also a potential carcinogen according to the WHO. Finally, the scientists administered the drug intraperitoneally, meaning directly into the abdominal cavity, so injecting elsewhere as a human might cause issues.

In conclusion, administering CPAAC could be beneficial in humans, possibly serving as a slightly healthier compound than DNP, if more complicated to administer. THIS IS NOT HEALTH ADVICE; THIS HAS NOT BEEN STUDIED IN HUMANS.

TLDR: Chloropentamminecobalt chloride (CPAAC) appears promising at increasing metabolic efficiency and preventing weight gain when being a fatass.
 
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dnr but this seems promising, investing :soy:
 
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All the stuff I will talk about in this thread comes from the following study:

Study summary, importance of Mrs2 transporter:

Basically, in your mitochondria, there are certain magnesium ion transporters called Mrs2. When magnesium ions enter your mitochondria, they generally reduce the rate at which cellular respiration occurs, thereby slowing your metabolism. Therefore, by restricting magnesium entry into the mitochondria, one could theoretically significantly increase their metabolic rate.

In the study, scientists first genetically modified mice to have nonfunctional Mrs2 transporters. They fed some mice a high-fat Western diet, while other mice were fed a normal mouse kibble diet. This resulted in the following results.
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"WT" refers to wild type, meaning those groups still had the Mrs2 transporter.

As you can see, the group with the Mrs2 transporter knockout experienced less weight gain, even while eating the high-fat Western diet, while the groups with the Mrs2 transporter got mega fat.

Therefore, it can be concluded that Mrs2 heavily decreases basal metabolic rate because it transports Mg2+ into the mitochondria.
View attachment 5017414
Additionally, this figure demonstrates that the Mrs2 knockout & Western diet mice had a metabolic rate approximately 160% of their wild-type counterparts while eating the same diet.


How this relates to us as genetically normal humans:

The scientists also gave wild-type (normal) mice a compound called Chloropentamminecobalt chloride (CPAAC), which inhibits the Mrs2 transporter without needing genetic modification. As you can see, the groups that received the CPAAC experienced much less weight gain than the groups that just received the vehicle (carrier oil for the CPAAC).
View attachment 5017426
Additionally, rather interesting was the fact that the group of mice that received the CPAAC also had lower ALT activity, which indicates a healthier liver, and possibly that CPAAC can be hepatoprotective.

Potential Caveats to using CPAAC

According to the study, CPAAC is very mildly cytotoxic (damages cells). It is also a potential carcinogen according to the WHO. Finally, the scientists administered the drug intraperitoneally, meaning directly into the abdominal cavity, so injecting elsewhere as a human might cause issues.

In conclusion, administering CPAAC could be beneficial in humans, possibly serving as a slightly healthier compound than DNP, if more complicated to administer. THIS IS NOT HEALTH ADVICE; THIS HAS NOT BEEN STUDIED IN HUMANS.

TLDR: Chloropentamminecobalt chloride (CPAAC) appears promising at increasing metabolic efficiency and preventing weight gain when being a fatass.
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pretty interesting, but what are the benefits over retatrutide? i know that reta's become sort of a buzzword but in this scenario i dont see what benefits it could potentially have over it for humans if it worked the same as it did for the mice.

also where the hell did you even find out about this 😭
 
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pretty interesting, but what are the benefits over retatrutide? i know that reta's become sort of a buzzword but in this scenario i dont see what benefits it could potentially have over it for humans if it worked the same as it did for the mice.
The metabolic benefits are greater than Reta

But I agree Reta is probably superior than this stuff in it’s current form
also where the hell did you even find out about this 😭
I was reading another article that mentioned it
 
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