Christian Q n A thread

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What does God and logic have in common, and why are you so proud of saying this without buying your first book on logic from the last 300 years atleast?

We ain’t getting into this we already been there done that. Annoy me again on this and you’re entering my ignore. Last time we spoke on this I made you the forums laughing stock I have 0 intention and motivation to humiliate you again

 

[Beanermaxxer]

I won't disagree with since your coming from a very logic standpoint although it very philosophical

by this you could argue I wouldn't be quoting anything

and unfortunately be spreading evolution to be true

as I in my faith and apologetics

I question all religions

and have had debates with plenty of Muslims on discord

evangelized at college

answer tons of questions from the old test new test

yes my friend was brought Christian

but Chirst is the only logical god (separate thread for this statement)

I will always use my bible as the word of god

and I expect a muslim to do so also

however with things like the crucifixion of jesus

that's more historically accurate then Julius Caesar William Shakespeare

there's less evidence for Pythagoras existing than Jesus

Fair points, and I respect the consistency in how you hold to your faith and your willingness to debate and question. But the thing about logical and historical accuracy is that it depends a lot on which history and logic you’re using. They’re filtered through human records, biases, and interpretations.

Your argument about Jesus being more historically proven than Caesar or Shakespeare I’ve heard it before, but most of the sources about Jesus come from religious texts written decades after the events. That doesn’t make them useless, but comparing that to Caesar’s direct writings or Shakespeare’s published plays feels like apples and oranges.

Evolución is backed by a ton of scientific research and evidence. You can question it, sure, but brushing it off because it doesn’t match scripture kind of defeats the point of open minded inquiry

At the end of the day, everyone filters truth through their own cultural and intellectual lenses. That’s why I lean agnostic, I don’t claim to have the final answer, because any belief system has gaps and biases. I respect faith as a deeply personal journey, but I also recognize that reason and evidence should always be part of the conversation, no matter where you land

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

why is the christian god a huge fucking retard

nothing he does makes sense and he is extremely hypocritical and bipolar

This question is so fundamentally ironic

Elaborate on what he does that’s bipolar or doesn’t make sense or is hypocritical. I mean this comment summarises Gaytheism perfectly. An ideology for idiots

why do you think he's a retard?

what makes you think nothing makes sense?

Please don’t to apologetics your not equipped with the skills or knowledge to defend the faith no disrespect to you but leave this to professionals

 

[Beanermaxxer]

Fair enough I misjudged you
I said what I said becuase you could see the despair in his face and instead you decided to be an annoying person an attack him and bring him down. You’re a monster due to how you replied you want the world to be as confused and cringe as you be cringe and confused in your little corner

Look, I get that you felt protective over someone who seemed to be struggling, but calling me a monster for expressing my thoughts is a reach. I didn’t mock anyone’s pain, I challenged the belief systems that don’t leave room for questioning.

Just because I don’t pretend to have all the answers doesn’t mean I’m trying to confuse people.

 

[iblamexyz]

Fair points, and I respect the consistency in how you hold to your faith and your willingness to debate and question. But the thing about logical and historical accuracy is that it depends a lot on which history and logic you’re using. They’re filtered through human records, biases, and interpretations.

Your argument about Jesus being more historically proven than Caesar or Shakespeare I’ve heard it before, but most of the sources about Jesus come from religious texts written decades after the events. That doesn’t make them useless, but comparing that to Caesar’s direct writings or Shakespeare’s published plays feels like apples and oranges.

Evolución is backed by a ton of scientific research and evidence. You can question it, sure, but brushing it off because it doesn’t match scripture kind of defeats the point of open minded inquiry

At the end of the day, everyone filters truth through their own cultural and intellectual lenses. That’s why I lean agnostic, I don’t claim to have the final answer, because any belief system has gaps and biases. I respect faith as a deeply personal journey, but I also recognize that reason and evidence should always be part of the conversation, no matter where you land

high iq reply back

very respectful and articulate

I will say the more I look into evolution the less sense it makes

cause let's say normies who believe in survival of the fittest

when you see a school shooting you don't have the right to say

''they in a better place now'' because what is a better place?

you don't believe in heaven

so technically the normie should say

''get better security'' it's a harsh thing to say

but you can't mix and match

you can't say god isn't real

but when you see death and than you comfort people by saying

''there in a better place'' because wydm by that?

 

[Deleted member 142629]

We ain’t getting into this we already been there done that. Annoy me again on this and you’re entering my ignore. Last time we spoke on this I made you the forums laughing stock I have 0 intention and motivation to humiliate you again

It's a whole different question jfl and when i asked you on the existence of jesus your reply was "i proved god and jesus exist in one of my threads" as if i'm one of you dickriders on here who's gonna follow all your threads bro

 

[Harold O'brien]

why do you think he's a retard?

what makes you think nothing makes sense?

This question is so fundamentally ironic

Elaborate on what he does that’s bipolar or doesn’t make sense or is hypocritical. I mean this comment summarises Gaytheism perfectly. An ideology for idiots

the easy answer is the tower of babel.

how can you describe god's behaviour here as anything but a petulant child?

 

[iblamexyz]

This question is so fundamentally ironic

Elaborate on what he does that’s bipolar or doesn’t make sense or is hypocritical. I mean this comment summarises Gaytheism perfectly. An ideology for idiots


Please don’t to apologetics your not equipped with the skills or knowledge to defend the faith no disrespect to you but leave this to professionals

no disrespect taken you hardly know me my brother

your worried I may mess up

at the end day

Deuteronomy 32:4:
He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.

our lord is perfect and everything which is written was logical and can be explained

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Look, I get that you felt protective over someone who seemed to be struggling, but calling me a monster for expressing my thoughts is a reach. I didn’t mock anyone’s pain, I challenged the belief systems that don’t leave room for questioning.

Just because I don’t pretend to have all the answers doesn’t mean I’m trying to confuse people.

You a re a monster you saw somebody struggling and tried to throw your cringe nihilistic crap on him. You are a monster.guys like you will never make sense too me

If you’re an agnostic why do you even care? Much like Gaytheists which are just one deviation from your retardation I mean you don’t know if Christianity is true or false yet your trying to move people from it?

Stay in your lane of confusion remain confused in your little corner alone nobody wants to be confused like you lmfao and yes the same issues I pointed out atheists have apply to Agnostics because once again If gods real one RELGION has to be treehouse or none off them are and then we are fucked but you have no grounds to know anything because you like atheists stand on 0 grounding.

This is why I bullied you because your a loud mouth twat with much to say for somebody who openly admits they don’t know shit

 

[Klasik616]

It’s fine I suggest you look into Eastern Orthodoxy it has the answers to the questions you’re asking.

The GAYthiest idiot above me is just here to push people into nihilism. Ask yourself do you want to belive in something that says life and everything has no meaning and is pointless? Do you want to believe in something that cannot justify its own claims ? Even science relies on induction and identity over time which once again atheists cannot explain why it exists the way it does and how it exists. Do you REALLY REALLY want to follow something this stupid and illogical infact atheism literally contradicts the laws of logic

• Atheism = Materialism (usually): It assumes that only matter and physical processes exist.
• Logic is Abstract & Immaterial: The laws of logic (like the law of non-contradiction) are not material things — they aren’t located in space, time, or brains.
• Materialism Can’t Account for Abstract Laws:
  • If only physical things exist, then universal, unchanging, immaterial laws shouldn’t exist.
  • But logic is universal and unchanging — it applies everywhere and always.
• 
  
• Atheism is Self-Refuting:
  • Atheists use logic to argue against God.
  • But their worldview can’t justify the existence or authority of logic itself.
  • So they are borrowing logic from a worldview (theism) that can account for it.
• 
  
• Only Theism Grounds Logic:
  • In the Christian worldview, logic reflects the rational mind of God.
  • Therefore, logic has a foundation: it exists because it is grounded in God’s unchanging nature.

TLDR:
Therefore, atheism undermines itself — it uses tools (logic) that only make sense if God exists.

Your understanding of the inmaterial is very limited, are you supposing that memory is inmaterial because is not biological but psychological, are psychological fenomenoms inmaterial and the proof God exists? Not just memory but I could say ideas too which comes with logic aside. None of these things are unreal if we are using it every day to: write a sentence, remember a song, solve mathematical problems or imagine stuff happening. All of these would be erased the moment we die so they're not actually "inmaterial". How the existence of things aside from physical processes equals the existence of God? Are you sure all of these are eternal and why, back then they used to name these things as existing in a soul but the soul has never been proven. Instead all of the things I mentioned you included memory have been proved by neuroscientists with the right tools. There's no room for God here.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Your understanding of the inmaterial is very limited, are you supposing that memory is inmaterial because is not biological but psychological, are psychological fenomenoms inmaterial and the proof God exists? Not just memory but I could say ideas too which comes with logic aside. None of these things are unreal if we are using it every day to: write a sentence, remember a song, solve mathematical problems or imagine stuff happening. But how the existance of things aside from physical processes equals the existence of God? Are you sure all of these are eternal and why, back then they used to name these things as existing in a soul but the soul has never been proven.

Bye bye

 

[Beanermaxxer]

You a re a monster you saw somebody struggling and tried to throw your cringe nihilistic crap on him. You are a monster.guys like you will never make sense too me

If you’re an agnostic why do you even care? Much like Gaytheists which are just one deviation from your retardation I mean you don’t know if Christianity is true or false yet your trying to move people from it?

Stay in your lane of confusion remain confused in your little corner alone nobody wants to be confused like you lmfao and yes the same issues I pointed out atheists have apply to Agnostics because once again If gods real one RELGION has to be treehouse or none off them are and then we are fucked but you have no grounds to know anything because you like atheists stand on 0 grounding.

This is why I bullied you because your a loud mouth twat with much to say for somebody who openly admits they don’t know shit

You keep grouping agnostics with atheists, but we’re not the same. I’m not saying God doesn’t exist, I’m saying it’s not black and white. You act like saying “I don’t know” is worse than making stuff up and yelling about it like that makes it true.

You’re mad because I’m not playing your game of “believe or be stupid,” but maybe try to understand people instead of just attacking them. Not knowing isn’t weakness, pretending to know when you don’t is.

If one religion is true, great let it prove itself without needing to scream down every person who dares to think independently.

 

[mentally_ill_chad]

Hail satan nigger
Lucifer hates niggers

 

[iblamexyz]

the easy answer is the tower of babel.

how can you describe god's behaviour here as anything but a petulant child?

I think that is very logical

you gotta to understand that god is all powerful and knowing

we really have no idea what consequences could've been nor happened due to the tower being built

after all the tower is during god in the old testament

my only response is:

Deuteronomy 32:4:
He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

the easy answer is the tower of babel.

how can you describe god's behaviour here as anything but a petulant child?

wtf are you even speaking about ?

Since when were you the authority on what acting like a “child” is ? To me your acting like a child and type like one as well JFL learn to fucking make a coherent comment nigga holy shit

God was putting the humans back in their place for overstepping boundaries the same boundaries which are set by your own parents when your a stupid little shit and fucking about they literally wanted to become as great as god themselves so god bullied them

God was good for ending the cancer where it was preventing human evil from leading to galactic empire tier totalitarianism due to human rebellion

Think of it not as “God being petty” — but “God hitting the brakes” on runaway pride and unified rebellion.

Anyways in my RELGION it says this is an foreshadowing of Axts 2 where the gifts of the Holy Spirit is to speak any language and the best part is it shows god doesn’t have an issue with spending in one language but doing it in a purified way as true unity doesn’t come from man’s creation but through gods guidance

Anyways yeah that’s it. Imagine this being your retort

 

[mentally_ill_chad]

Hail satan nigger
Lucifer hates niggers
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Ok a real question now.
Why do you worship a dead bitch on the cross and his faggot evil dad?

 

[Harold O'brien]

^behold the iq of religious cucks (#64 #65)

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You keep grouping agnostics with atheists, but we’re not the same. I’m not saying God doesn’t exist, I’m saying it’s not black and white. You act like saying “I don’t know” is worse than making stuff up and yelling about it like that makes it true.

You’re mad because I’m not playing your game of “believe or be stupid,” but maybe try to understand people instead of just attacking them. Not knowing isn’t weakness, pretending to know when you don’t is.

If one religion is true, great let it prove itself without needing to scream down every person who dares to think independently.

Becuase both agnostics and GAYthiests have the same epistemic issues regarding accounting for Transcendentals. Only difference is you don’t deny god but you can’t justify it either as only the Christian Trinitarian eastern gid coherently grounds this all.

That’s why I group you with them for you both lack the answers to the same question difference is the reason for it

 

[Beanermaxxer]

Becuase both agnostics and GAYthiests have the same epistemic issues regarding accounting for Transcendentals. Only difference is you don’t deny god but you can’t justify it either as only the Christian Trinitarian eastern gid coherently grounds this all.

That’s why I group you with them for you both lack the answers to the same question difference is the reason for it

You’re treating not knowing like it’s some kind of failure, but I’d rather admit that than pretend to have it all figured out just to feel certain.

You say only your specific version of Christianity can account for transcendentals, but that’s just starting with the conclusion you already believe in. There are tons of belief systems and philosophies that tackle the same questions, you just don’t agree with them (or did not even try to understand them), which is fine, but it doesn’t make them invalid by default.

I’m not trying to convert anyone or tear down faith, I’m just being real about my doubts. If your beliefs are that solid, they should hold up without needing to call everyone else wrong or confused. Let people think for themselves. That’s not weakness, that’s just being honest.

 

[Kayra139]

Christianity the most cucked & to be cucked religion in 21th century jfl

 

[iblamexyz]

Christianity the most cucked & to be cucked religion in 21th century jfl

why do you think that?

 

[Kayra139]

why do you think that?

Christianity itself isn't a bad religion I respect you and your belief it's just that Christians either go atheist or live like their religion is a joke
If you are one monk living on Mount Athos props be to you but people don't take it serious anymore and there is no golden age coming for it, but the idea of Christianity is really great don't get me wrong it just doesnt change that it is disregarded by the world and will continue to be

 

[Kayra139]

It is better to live by than any gay n nihilistic ideology out there so live by it and do your best to revive it but I just pointed out the obvious

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You’re treating not knowing like it’s some kind of failure, but I’d rather admit that than pretend to have it all figured out just to feel certain.

You say only your specific version of Christianity can account for transcendentals, but that’s just starting with the conclusion you already believe in. There are tons of belief systems and philosophies that tackle the same questions, you just don’t agree with them (or did not even try to understand them), which is fine, but it doesn’t make them invalid by default.

I’m not trying to convert anyone or tear down faith, I’m just being real about my doubts. If your beliefs are that solid, they should hold up without needing to call everyone else wrong or confused. Let people think for themselves. That’s not weakness, that’s just being honest.

That’s fine


Stand aside and let those who know speak

No I go based off cohenrecnty and consistency. The only paradigm that answers the transcendental categories without falling into absurdities and more is Christianity specifically Eastern Orthodoxy.
The western view of the trinity is inertially flawed anyways because they stupidly subordinate the spirit and son AND collapse the persons into the essense it’s jsut dumb and thus not consistent with their own theology and reality.


Other worldviews also have to answer the same questions and all fail. I’m not doing a God of gaps here either I’m literally saying god is the NECESSARY precondition for these transcendentals such as logic for instance no other worldview can account for this but it’s deeeper than that I’m not saying ‘We don’t know, so God.’ I’m saying you can’t make sense of knowing anything at all without God

This is a transcendental precondition of all thinking be it logic, truth, unity in diversity, morality, rational agency. These aren’t mysteries science hasn’t solved these are things necessary for science itself. I’m not using God to explain a missing piece in physics, I’m showing that your worldview can’t ground basic metaphysical realities like meaning, personhood, or logic.


I called you names because once again your inputs aren’t needed, this ain’t a debate thread it’s a Q n A. But we all know your an enemy of the church and hate Christian’s so you like typical devils seek to attack us at every angle for no reason. wtf have we ever done to you or anybody tbh yet you cunts attack us at every turn. Ask your questions and stop preaching your confusion

 

[iblamexyz]

Christianity itself isn't a bad religion I respect you and your belief it's just that Christians either go atheist or live like their religion is a joke
If you are one monk living on Mount Athos props be to you but people don't take it serious anymore and there is no golden age coming for it, but the idea of Christianity is really great don't get me wrong it just doesnt change that it is disregarded by the world and will continue to be

I see your point and I agree
I am very sorry that a few confused Christians have misinterpreted and made a fool of us all

But I follow Christ and His teachings and he's a great guy the best may I say

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Christianity itself isn't a bad religion I respect you and your belief it's just that Christians either go atheist or live like their religion is a joke
If you are one monk living on Mount Athos props be to you but people don't take it serious anymore and there is no golden age coming for it, but the idea of Christianity is really great don't get me wrong it just doesnt change that it is disregarded by the world and will continue to be

You realise 70% of Christian’s live outside of the west right ?

I hope you realise western secularists aren’t the average Christian yes I agree the west has the weakest faith characters in the religion but your claim is flat out wrong globally we don’t have this issue you live in a white country whites are the ones apostasisiting and being shitty Christian’s in their countries this isn’t normal outside of cumskinland

 

[iblamexyz]

That’s fine


Stand aside and let those who know speak

No I go based off cohenrecnty and consistency. The only paradigm that answers the transcendental categories without falling into absurdities and more is Christianity specifically Eastern Orthodoxy.
The western view of the trinity is inertially flawed anyways because they stupidly subordinate the spirit and son AND collapse the persons into the essense it’s jsut dumb and thus not consistent with their own theology and reality.


Other worldviews also have to answer the same questions and all fail. I’m not doing a God of gaps here either I’m literally saying god is the NECESSARY precondition for these transcendentals such as logic for instance no other worldview can account for this but it’s deeeper than that I’m not saying ‘We don’t know, so God.’ I’m saying you can’t make sense of knowing anything at all without God

This is a transcendental precondition of all thinking be it logic, truth, unity in diversity, morality, rational agency. These aren’t mysteries science hasn’t solved these are things necessary for science itself. I’m not using God to explain a missing piece in physics, I’m showing that your worldview can’t ground basic metaphysical realities like meaning, personhood, or logic.


I called you names because once again your inputs aren’t needed, this ain’t a debate thread it’s a Q n A. But we all know your an enemy of the church and hate Christian’s so you like typical devils seek to attack us at every angle for no reason. wtf have we ever done to you or anybody tbh yet you cunts attack us at every turn. Ask your questions and stop preaching your confusion

very high iq response brother

 

[iblamexyz]

^behold the iq of religious cucks (#64 #65)

why do you think that?

 

[iblamexyz]

Ok a real question now.
Why do you worship a dead bitch on the cross and his faggot evil dad?

John 3:16 - whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life

died on the cross for our sins

 

[Kayra139]

But I follow Christ and His teachings and he's a great guy the best may I say

Of course follow him prophets of god are the greatest examples for mankind, it is best decision that you take one as your guide
I'm a muslim myself and I strive to be like Jesus aswell funnily there's physical description of him in islamic hadith I am literally trying to copy it entirely rn

I am very sorry that a few confused Christians have misinterpreted and made a fool of us all

Also nah it's aight they prob have never been Christians before just titled as ones by tradition

 

[Beanermaxxer]

That’s fine


Stand aside and let those who know speak

No I go based off cohenrecnty and consistency. The only paradigm that answers the transcendental categories without falling into absurdities and more is Christianity specifically Eastern Orthodoxy.
The western view of the trinity is inertially flawed anyways because they stupidly subordinate the spirit and son AND collapse the persons into the essense it’s jsut dumb and thus not consistent with their own theology and reality.


Other worldviews also have to answer the same questions and all fail. I’m not doing a God of gaps here either I’m literally saying god is the NECESSARY precondition for these transcendentals such as logic for instance no other worldview can account for this but it’s deeeper than that I’m not saying ‘We don’t know, so God.’ I’m saying you can’t make sense of knowing anything at all without God

This is a transcendental precondition of all thinking be it logic, truth, unity in diversity, morality, rational agency. These aren’t mysteries science hasn’t solved these are things necessary for science itself. I’m not using God to explain a missing piece in physics, I’m showing that your worldview can’t ground basic metaphysical realities like meaning, personhood, or logic.


I called you names because once again your inputs aren’t needed, this ain’t a debate thread it’s a Q n A. But we all know your an enemy of the church and hate Christian’s so you like typical devils seek to attack us at every angle for no reason. wtf have we ever done to you or anybody tbh yet you cunts attack us at every turn. Ask your questions and stop preaching your confusion

You sound like the Eastern Orthodox version of a Reddit atheist . Same energy just swap smug materialism for smug theology. Acting like you’ve cracked the code of the universe while everyone else is just confused or dumb. That’s not wisdom, that’s just dogma with a different hat.

You keep talking about “transcendentals” like dropping that word wins the debate by default. But just saying “only my worldview explains logic and personhood” doesn’t prove it. Every belief system thinks it has internally consistent answers. You just decided yours does and treat that as the objective end of the conversation. That’s not coherence, that’s confirmation bias.

And I don’t hate Christians, I’m not out here waging war on anyone’s faith. I questioned a few things and didn’t kneel instantly. That kind of paranoia and hostility is exactly why people leave religion, not because they want to sin but because they get tired of being told they’re evil for thinking independently.

You want to talk metaphysics, logic, meaning? Cool, I’m open to that. But yelling you’re wrong and stay in your corner isn’t an argument

 

[iblamexyz]

Of course follow him prophets of god are the greatest examples for mankind, it is best decision that you take one as your guide
I'm a muslim myself and I strive to be like Jesus aswell funnily there's physical description of him in islamic hadith I am literally trying to copy it entirely rn

Also nah it's aight they prob have never been Christians before just titled as ones by tradition

interesting

would be open to reading the bible and learn about Jesus thru the gospel's for extra knowledge

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

very high iq response brother

There’s a reason why I said leave it to the pros

But I thank god for this I am not naturally good at rhetoric tbh but I have forced to take this burden upon myself and the Holy Spirit sees my desire to help the infidel know of Christ our one god and saviour because to know him is to know the father and the 3rd economy the Holy Ghost who gives us the grace and faith to know Christ

 

[Kayra139]

interesting

would be open to reading the bible and learn about Jesus thru the gospel's for extra knowledge

I did check out the bible as I used some verses of it while debating but I must say that it is very similiar to the Quran and there are verses that I like of it and I even tell some of my friends about it but it certainly didn't give me the same feelings I get while reading the Quran

I suggest you check the Quran aswell if you're open minded

 

[iblamexyz]

There’s a reason why I said leave it to the pros

But I thank god for this I am not naturally good at rhetoric tbh but I have forced to take this burden upon myself and the Holy Spirit sees my desire to help the infidel know of Christ our one god and saviour because to know him is to know the father and the 3rd economy the Holy Ghost who gives us the grace and faith to know Christ

of course brother

all thanks to god that I am able to be here read threads learn

and if I slip up someone tells me I am wrong and I am able to learn once again and get more into my scripture and understand my lord and savour better amen

 

[iblamexyz]

I did check out the bible as I used some verses of it while debating but I must say that it is very similiar to the Quran and there are verses that I like of it and I even tell some of my friends about it but it certainly didn't give me the same feelings I get while reading the Quran

I suggest you check the Quran aswell if you're open minded

interesting,

I would be open to the Quran

however what did you read in the bible

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Of course follow him prophets of god are the greatest examples for mankind, it is best decision that you take one as your guide
I'm a muslim myself and I strive to be like Jesus aswell funnily there's physical description of him in islamic hadith I am literally trying to copy it entirely rn

Also nah it's aight they prob have never been Christians before just titled as ones by tradition

Ironically in eastern Christianity (orientla and Eastern Orthodox) we bekive in theosis which means becoming like God aka deification (we become gods by Grace not in the shirk way or like Mormons lol)

The more we submit to god and align with his will and grace we become reflections of gods divine life to all humans and these people who achieved this in our world are called “Saints”

Roman Catholic saints are iffy so ignore them but look up orthodox saints they are consistent. We literally become Christ like and it’s a beautiful thing and that’s unironically the true reason and purpose of life



You’ll love this video


Also no offence to the guy your responding 2 he’s cool but if you want deep theology and answers come to me as I basically do this stuff for a living hence why I set up a Q and A.

 

[Beanermaxxer]

There’s a reason why I said leave it to the pros

But I thank god for this I am not naturally good at rhetoric tbh but I have forced to take this burden upon myself and the Holy Spirit sees my desire to help the infidel know of Christ our one god and saviour because to know him is to know the father and the 3rd economy the Holy Ghost who gives us the grace and faith to know Christ

You keep saying Eastern Orthodoxy is the only consistent worldview, but that’s just not true when you dig into it.

The Orthodox Church rejects the Filioque because it’s a change to tradition, but then turns around and develops other doctrines like Palamism (the whole essence/energies distinction) way after the early Church. So, development is okay unless Rome does it?

You also talk about coherent authority, but the Orthodox world is full of schisms , like the Russian Church vs. Constantinople right now over Ukraine. So much for unity.

And claiming that your worldview “accounts for logic and morality” sounds deep, but you can’t prove that just by declaring it. If you think only Eastern Orthodoxy makes sense of personhood or truth, you’ve got to show how, not just assert it and call it a day. That’s literally Reddit Atheist logic but reversed same smug certainty, just with incense and icons.

Also, Orthodoxy says it’s universal, but it’s deeply nationalistic, Greek, Russian, Serbian, etc. Ethno-phyletism was condemned, yet it’s alive and well. So which is it, universal church or tribal religion?

And let’s not forget: Eastern Orthodoxy rarely evangelizes outside its own circles. If it’s the one true faith, why’s it so content staying in its own bubble? Christianity, if it’s true, shouldn’t be afraid to face scrutiny or spread boldly beyond ethnic lines.

Your worldview has just as many issues as the ones you critique, so maybe dial down the arrogance and actually engage with the arguments instead of preaching like you’ve got it all solved. You don’t.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You sound like the Eastern Orthodox version of a Reddit atheist . Same energy just swap smug materialism for smug theology. Acting like you’ve cracked the code of the universe while everyone else is just confused or dumb. That’s not wisdom, that’s just dogma with a different hat.

You keep talking about “transcendentals” like dropping that word wins the debate by default. But just saying “only my worldview explains logic and personhood” doesn’t prove it. Every belief system thinks it has internally consistent answers. You just decided yours does and treat that as the objective end of the conversation. That’s not coherence, that’s confirmation bias.

And I don’t hate Christians, I’m not out here waging war on anyone’s faith. I questioned a few things and didn’t kneel instantly. That kind of paranoia and hostility is exactly why people leave religion, not because they want to sin but because they get tired of being told they’re evil for thinking independently.

You want to talk metaphysics, logic, meaning? Cool, I’m open to that. But yelling you’re wrong and stay in your corner isn’t an argument

It’s not about my worldview it’s about accounting for literally everything…. You can’t explain why things are the way they are you can’t even explain or say if you know anything and how you know anything to be true and why you literally cannnot trust anything

Even you among this comment unironically is you using God (logic is a reflection of the divine mind) to reason and make a coherent comment.


This isn’t me being smug or prideful this is me literally setting you straight. You act like you know stuff like you speak anything of substance but the reality is your a clueless child you don’t know anything yet you yapping your mouth about as usual.


Ironically I am a convert if I was a dogmatic as you think I am and obsessed with group think I’d not be what I am today. I have no issue with descenting opinions my issue is with illogical inconsistent views and opinions being parroted by people who don’t know anything. This is why I attacked you because you fall into this catagory. Maybe I need to be more patient because I suffer from that as that’s my human weakness patience, rage and sexual immorality.

You tbh don’t seem like a bad guy I may had misjudged you, but I hope you get why I acted the way I did, see this thread look how many people are attacking my faith for no reason understand why I’d be on edge.


But please answer this question “are you here because you’re searching for the truth? Does your soul long for the truth is your questioning a way of you trying to come and arrive at the truth” because at paisios mentioned that the soul yearns for God and the non believer even they deep down long for him and thus search for him any way they can. Maybe this is your soul searching? Maybe I can be a step in the right direction.

I just took my ADHD pills so I’m a bit calmer now than

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@iblamexyz tell @Kayra139 to take me off ignore I like him he seems cool if I have beefed with him before tell him I apologise I’d like to discuss stuff with him he’s very nice I like him

 

[iblamexyz]

But please answer this question “are you here because you’re searching for the truth? Does your soul long for the truth is your questioning a way of you trying to come and arrive at the truth” because at paisios mentioned that the soul yearns for God and the non believer even they deep down long for him and thus search for him any way they can. Maybe this is your soul searching? Maybe I can be a step in the right direction.

hey @Kayra139 could you take @PrinceLuenLeoncur off ignore?

he fw wth you and your great, he apologise and wants to discuss things further with you!

 

[Kayra139]

Ironically in eastern Christianity (orientla and Eastern Orthodox) we bekive in theosis which means becoming like God aka deification (we become gods by Grace not in the shirk way or like Mormons lol)

The more we submit to god and align with his will and grace we become reflections of gods divine life to all humans and these people who achieved this in our world are called “Saints”

Roman Catholic saints are iffy so ignore them but look up orthodox saints they are consistent. We literally become Christ like and it’s a beautiful thing and that’s unironically the true reason and purpose of life



You’ll love this video


Also no offence to the guy your responding 2 he’s cool but if you want deep theology and answers come to me as I basically do this stuff for a living hence why I set up a Q and A.

I am into the idea of sainthood you really catch that well, in fact it was the sole thing that led me to being interested in religion, the idea that you remarked ''Theosis'' in the islamic sense, I was too strived upon it once that the Imam used to come up to me and remark that even the Prophet had not prayed as much as me and people would be worried about what I'm exactly up to and about what you said of Orthodox Saints I agree I even saved some edits of them up until now like Christian Saints lol, Saints are no harm to any men that's why I like them regardless of any religion they belong to, try to take something out of each one, I also always thought Orthodox Chrisianity is clearly more truthful than the sub like catholic aswell so it's nice to see you

 

[ahwmeat]

Evliyalık fikrine bayılıyorum, bunu gerçekten iyi yakalamışsın, aslında beni dine ilgi duymaya iten tek şey buydu, İslami anlamda ''Theosis'' dediğin fikir, bir zamanlar imam yanıma gelip Peygamber'in bile benim kadar dua etmediğini söylerdi ve insanlar benim tam olarak ne yaptığım ve senin Ortodoks Azizler hakkında söylediklerin konusunda endişelenirlerdi, katılıyorum, hatta şimdiye kadar bazı düzenlemelerini kaydettim, örneğin Hristiyan Azizler lol, Azizler hiçbir insana zarar vermez, bu yüzden hangi dine mensup olurlarsa olsunlar onları seviyorum, her birinden bir şeyler çıkarmaya çalış, ayrıca Ortodoks Hristiyanlığın Katolik gibi alt dinlerden açıkça daha doğru olduğunu her zaman düşündüm, bu yüzden seni görmek güzel

bu forum için daha fazla bilgili ve derinsin

https://looksmax.org/account/delete

 

[Beanermaxxer]

It’s not about my worldview it’s about accounting for literally everything…. You can’t explain why things are the way they are you can’t even explain or say if you know anything and how you know anything to be true and why you literally cannnot trust anything

Even you among this comment unironically is you using God (logic is a reflection of the divine mind) to reason and make a coherent comment.


This isn’t me being smug or prideful this is me literally setting you straight. You act like you know stuff like you speak anything of substance but the reality is your a clueless child you don’t know anything yet you yapping your mouth about as usual.


Ironically I am a convert if I was a dogmatic as you think I am and obsessed with group think I’d not be what I am today. I have no issue with descenting opinions my issue is with illogical inconsistent views and opinions being parroted by people who don’t know anything. This is why I attacked you because you fall into this catagory. Maybe I need to be more patient because I suffer from that as that’s my human weakness patience, rage and sexual immorality.

You tbh don’t seem like a bad guy I may had misjudged you, but I hope you get why I acted the way I did, see this thread look how many people are attacking my faith for no reason understand why I’d be on edge.


But please answer this question “are you here because you’re searching for the truth? Does your soul long for the truth is your questioning a way of you trying to come and arrive at the truth” because at paisios mentioned that the soul yearns for God and the non believer even they deep down long for him and thus search for him any way they can. Maybe this is your soul searching? Maybe I can be a step in the right direction.

I just took my ADHD pills so I’m a bit calmer now than

You keep talking like you’ve cornered some ultimate truth, but all you’re really doing is dressing up your assumptions in complicated language and acting like that makes them airtight. Let’s unpack this step by step, because half of what you’re claiming doesn’t hold up, whether you’re calm on ADHD meds or not.

“You can’t explain or say if you know anything and how you know anything to be true and why”

You’re still confusing acknowledging uncertainty with having no grounding. I never claimed to have all the answers, I said I’m agnostic. That doesn’t mean I’ve given up on truth, it means I’m not pretending to have reached the finish line just because it feels comforting. You act like not having a final answer invalidates all reasoning, but what it really invalidates is blind dogma. At least I’m not clinging to a system that demands unprovable metaphysical claims just to function.

“Logic is a reflection of the divine mind”

That’s your assumption, not a self-evident truth. It’s no different than a Muslim saying the Qur’an is the uncreated word of God, or a Hindu claiming Brahman permeates all reality. You think you’re exempt from circular reasoning because your worldview feels internally coherent. But coherence isn’t confirmation. A well-written fantasy novel is internally coherent too that doesn’t make dragons real.

“This isn’t me being smug…”

No, it’s you trying to rebrand dogmatism as confidence. And let’s be honest: insulting people while claiming you’re just being honest or “setting them straight” is still being smug, it’s just hiding behind faux humility.

“I’m a convert”

And? So are people in every religion. Conversion isn’t a flex, it’s just switching lanes within the same traffic jam of belief systems. It doesn’t make your new worldview infallible; it just makes it the one that currently satisfies your emotional and intellectual biases.

“I have no issue with dissenting opinions”

You called me a clueless child and lumped me in with a group you clearly hate. If that’s your idea of open dialogue, I’d hate to see what your intolerance looks like.

“Are you here because your soul longs for truth?”

Honestly? I’m here because I’m sick of people acting like uncertainty is a character flaw. I didn’t come here to be saved or sermonized. I came here because I value the ability to think critically, even if that means sitting with uncertainty instead of hiding in certainty theater. If that offends you, maybe it’s not me you’re arguing with, maybe it’s your own doubts you’re yelling over.

If you’re genuinely interested in dialogue, try engaging without posturing like you’ve unlocked some secret metaphysical cheat code. And if you’re just here to preach, then say that, don’t hide behind Q&A threads while turning every disagreement into an exorcism.

 

[Kayra139]

tell @Kayra139 to take me off ignore I like him he seems cool if I have beefed with him before tell him I apologise I’d like to discuss stuff with him he’s very nice I like him

You're alright man I didn't put you on it but of course I didnt like how you insulted the religion before in some other posts while I literally got nothing against Christianity because they are the closest allies to muslims in my perspective

''You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant.''
Maidah 82

 

[Kayra139]

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[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I am into the idea of sainthood you really catch that well, in fact it was the sole thing that led me to being interested in religion, the idea that you remarked ''Theosis'' in the islamic sense, I was too strived upon it once that the Imam used to come up to me and remark that even the Prophet had not prayed as much as me and people would be worried about what I'm exactly up to and about what you said of Orthodox Saints I agree I even saved some edits of them up until now like Christian Saints lol, Saints are no harm to any men that's why I like them regardless of any religion they belong to, try to take something out of each one, I also always thought Orthodox Chrisianity is clearly more truthful than the sub like catholic aswell so it's nice to see you

Are you Sufi? I always said if I was Muslim I’d be Sufi or Shia (they have saints)


And yes despite my vitriol against Islam, I do admire much parts off it I only attack Islam weirdly out of love because I care for Muslims a lot because I see how much they love and long for god and I’m crushed seeing them deceived.


I do believe some Muslims please god to the point he forcibly takes them to himself regardless

Yes I’d say orthodoxy is 100% the truth but if your into saints look into Sufi Islam if your not you’ll be impressed however I must say Christianity is rather remarkable in the saints department no other religion has the same testament of pastoral living embodiment and representation of divine life of God on earth to the same degree

We still produce saints, loom ups st Paisios the Argonauts you’ll really enjoy his stories because he died in 1994 and he answers so many modern issues we have today. What a blessed holy man he was. When I’m asked for the proof of orthodoxy I say “The saints” they perfectly embody what being “Christian” means and no other worldview I have looked into has it like this (Even Sufi Islam doesn’t to this degree and I looked into it last year when I consorted converting to Islam)

Very nice speaking to 2 very nice man may god bless you brother

 

[davinci]

hey bro how are you?

This is the consequence of the fall.

1) why did God 'punish' all humanity for the mistakes of two people? It would be like putting in prison an entire family line for the crimes of one member

2) Why is it said that God gives us tests to prove our worthiness for heaven, when, being omniscient, He already knows the outcome of each one? This also ties into the first question: Did He know in advance that Adam and Eve would commit the original sin?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

hey bro how are you?

1) why did God 'punish' all humanity for the mistakes of two people? It would be like putting in prison an entire family line for the crimes of one member

2) Why is it said that God gives us tests to prove our worthiness for heaven, when, being omniscient, He already knows the outcome of each one? This also ties into the first question: Did He know in advance that Adam and Eve would commit the original sin?

Mid 20s I’m an old man lol

Yeah these are good questions brother this is why I made this thread bless you for asking honestly. I only wish others were like you

Q1 = he never punished us for the actions of Adam and Eve he unironically showed his infinite love by making them mortal and kicking them out of Eden, god didn’t want Adam and Eve to live forever in such a fallen state of Sin it honestly broke gods heart, makes me cry tbh.

Have you ever seen how a child with featual Alchahol syndrome gets their deformity? Well is it the kids fault? Ofc not. But the kid suffers the consequences of the parent. The same applies here. Adam and Eve fell and suffered the consequences off that fall and so too did the universe hence why “death came into the world” we being descendants of them don’t inherit their guilt but unfortunately suffer the consequences off their actions much like the featal Alchahol baby I mentioned before

God permitted the fall to allow for the revelation of His mercy, love, and justice through Christ. In this sense, Christ is not God’s “Plan B” — He is the plan from the beginning.



Q2= ah yes this is another great question,
Even if God knows what choices we will make, we still have to make them. Trials are not for God’s knowledge — they are for our transformation. Like a teacher giving an exam not to learn something new about the student, but to help the student realize their own strengths, weaknesses, and grow. God works through trials to refine us (cf. James 1:2-4, Romans 5:3-5), to teach us perseverance, and to shape our character for eternal life.

Foreknowledge ≠ causation — Just because God knows what we will do doesn’t mean He causes it.
God offers sufficient grace to all, but not all accept it. Judgment is ultimately based not on God’s knowledge, but on our choices.



TLDR: The point of the story of Adam and Eve and of every human trial isn’t to make life harder, but to call us to relationship, trust, and transformation. God knew what would happen, and He already had a plan not just to restore what was lost, but to bring humanity into something even greater.

“God became man so that man might become god.” — St. Athanasius

 

[davinci]

thank you for the fantastic answers! I have some follow-ups:

God permitted the fall to allow for the revelation of His mercy, love, and justice through Christ. In this sense, Christ is not God’s “Plan B” — He is the plan from the beginning.

this is a good explanation but it doesn't consider that God is all-powerful, so it seems a bit twisted that He permitted the original sin just to show us His love through Christ when He could have simply prevented the sin from happening.
A bit extreme but it's like a doctor breaking a random person's leg just to then fix it. Sure the leg will heal at some point but why doing all that in the first place?

I like the second answer a lot, just one thing.

Foreknowledge ≠ causation — Just because God knows what we will do doesn’t mean He causes it.

This is like a parent letting his own kid walking on the train tracks knowing a train will come. Not helping the kid away from the rails is the same as causing his death.

TLDR: all the tests that God put us through make us should make us develop closer to Him. However I don't understand their need, since He could foster a relationship with us and give us all the benefits that come to those who overcome tribulations without needing them in the first place (because of His powers).

Also by far one of the most interesting threads as of lately, thank you