Christians, explain this

[ijustwannaascendlol]

You can simply ask yourself:

“What makes God, God?”

And you’ll find your answer

Again, You can't describe an infinity and perfect entity. Humans by default are not perfect.

 

[basedhood]

1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.

Based seeing you again

 

[Lonely]

It's not logical to us for God to have always existed and exist. Yet it is the truth. Some things we can't fully process. Just like kids don't always understand why parents give them certain orders or forbid them from doing something.

It is logical.

God is the uncreated, first cause. Where is the contradiction in him having existed forever?

But, God dying is a contradiction, because it goes against his nature.

 

[Slow]

1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.

Jesus died for us
God is an omnipotent being.

 

[Lonely]

Again, You can't describe an infinity and perfect entity. Humans by default are not perfect.

You just described him haha.

You gave him two traits. There are many more.

 

[Lonely]

Jesus died for us
God is an omnipotent being.

Right, and Christians believe Jesus IS God, so God died in that view

 

[Freestyleofnoone]

“Jesus died and yet is immortal”

“He is a bachelor and yet is married”

They’re the same type of statement

He died and has eternal life, not mutually exclusive. Obviously anyone born as a man is subject to death because of flesh, but God is not beholden to death so Jesus Christ rose.

Subject by natural condition(being a man), not beholden by natural innocence to original cause of condition(righteousness of God), which was Adam. Why Christ is called second Adam.

 

[Slow]

Right, and Christians believe Jesus IS God, so God died in that view

Yes

 

[Deleted member 313128]

It is logical.

God is the uncreated, first cause. Where is the contradiction in him having existed forever?

But, God dying is a contradiction, because it goes against his nature.

His mortal body died. He never ceased to exist.

 

[ijustwannaascendlol]

You just described him haha.

You gave him two traits. There are many more.

Alr nigga you won

 

[Lonely]

He died and has eternal life, not mutually exclusive. Obviously anyone born as a man is subject to death because of flesh, but God is not beholden to death so Jesus Christ rose.

Subject by natural condition(being a man), not beholden by natural innocence to original cause of condition(righteousness of God), which was Adam. Why Christ is called second Adam.

Again, if we go back to the core contention, if I asked you if Jesus was God, you’d say yes, correct?

In that case, the problem of him dying, despite being God in your view, is contradictory to Gods nature.

 

[Lonely]

His mortal body died. He never ceased to exist.

How can an immortal being with no need for a body, have a body?

 

[Deleted member 313128]

How can an immortal being with no need for a body, have a body?

He never needed it. He chose to be in one so he could give an example and cleanse us from our sins by suffering. I don't fully understand what you mean

 

[Lonely]

He never needed it. He chose to be in one so he could give an example and cleanse us from our since by suffering. I don't fully understand what you mean

It does not befit Gods nature for him to become a mortal, limited being. It is rationally impossible.

 

[Deleted member 323454]

Gos is an idea, not a physical entity. We all have a part of the creation inside us

 

[Deleted member 313128]

It does not befit Gods nature for him to become a mortal, limited being. It is rationally impossible.

That's the thing. It doesn't benefit him but us. He suffered for us. Also nothing is impossible for God.

 

[Lonely]

That's the thing. It doesn't benefit him but us. He suffered for us. Also nothing is impossible for God.

Can God become Satan?

 

[Malllc2]

Better to die Christian than not. If you lived as a Christian you lived normal but just righteous life. It's a good way of living regardless

you can have morals without religion

 

[lChad]

1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.

I am not christian but i know how they explain that,they say that Jesus became human so that is why he died,but Islam makes way more sense because in Islam Jesus was prophet who was telling Ppl that there is a God and you gotta pray to him and he did not die but God changed him with another person who died for him and Jesus was sent to 6th heaven,Jesus also was praying to God when he was on Earth,and Christians say that he was praying to himself/God Christians are jfl

 

[Deleted member 313128]

you can have morals without religion

I didn't deny this.

 

[Malllc2]

I didn't deny this.

so why be religious if you dont need it for morality, and theres no evidence of it being real?

 

[Freestyleofnoone]

Again, if we go back to the core contention, if I asked you if Jesus was God, you’d say yes, correct?

In that case, the problem of him dying, despite being God in your view, is contradictory to Gods nature.

Gods incarnation dissolved the distinct categories of mortal vs immortal by Gods power.

So you operate on these categories while missing the point

 

[оrg]

1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.

same with every religion

 

[Deleted member 313128]

Can God become Satan?

You must ask a theologian. Orthodox. If you want to know the answer to these questions. I am an ordinary Christian.

 

[Lonely]

Gods incarnation dissolved the distinct categories of mortal vs immortal by Gods power.

So you operate on these categories while missing the point

Okay so you’re saying “God works in mysterious ways”

 

[Deleted member 313128]

so why be religious if you dont need it for morality, and theres no evidence of it being real?

The most logical answer to us being here as well as other signs make me think he is real. You understood why he doesn't make himself evident because I explained. If you wish to know him better he will help. If I know he exists and don't live as a Christian I will go to hell. I don't want that.

 

[Deleted member 313128]

Okay so you’re saying “God works in mysterious ways”

Ask a theologian no one here is going to fully explain the best. Make the effort it will be worth it.

 

[Malllc2]

The most logical answer to us being here as well as other signs make me think he is real. You understood why he doesn't make himself evident because I explained. If you wish to know him better he will help. If I know he exists and don't live as a Christian I will go to hell. I don't want that.

but you DONT know he exists...

 

[Wuzzdio]

Nigga you don't even know shit. Why even reply?

Are you Christian by any chance?

 

[Deleted member 313128]

but you DONT know he exists...

I do. I just have no physical proof. I have many reasons to believe he is.

 

[Freestyleofnoone]

Okay so you’re saying “God works in mysterious ways”

It’s actually explained pretty clearly. I could ask you a hundred times how can a mortal be immortal, same effect. The righteousness of God is incorruption, this is Jesus Christ who defeated death.

“For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”

 

[Malllc2]

I do. I just have no physical proof. I have many reasons to believe he is.

please elaborate

 

[Egg]

Are you Christian by any chance?

I don't believe shit, so no

 

[Rhevan]

1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.

religion is jester anyways… who cares about this bs

 

[PascalCase]

my favorite religion debating website

 

[TheFlowOfCalamity]

1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.

When Jesus died as a man, he didn't cease to exist, he just died physically, but continued to operate as God, this is seen when the Bible describes the Harrowing of Hell, when Christ died, He descended into Sheol, a place where some people from the Old Testament stayed after their deaths and freed them from that place, giving them a pathway to Heaven they didn't properly have in their times. He was mortal in the sense that He was a physical person who could be killed, but when he was killed, He didn't lose the ability to do things a normal person would lose, He retained all the power He had, and rose again. God can't die, and Christ, pre-incarnation couldn't die, as He had the nature of God, since He was God, but when He became a human being, He took on traits and attributes of men, like being able to die physically. But when He did die, it's not like He became any weaker.

 

[TheFlowOfCalamity]

When Jesus died as a man, he didn't cease to exist, he just died physically, but continued to operate as God, this is seen when the Bible describes the Harrowing of Hell, when Christ died, He descended into Sheol, a place where some people from the Old Testament stayed after their deaths and freed them from that place, giving them a pathway to Heaven they didn't properly have in their times. He was mortal in the sense that He was a physical person who could be killed, but when he was killed, He didn't lose the ability to do things a normal person would lose, He retained all the power He had, and rose again. God can't die, and Christ, pre-incarnation couldn't die, as He had the nature of God, since He was God, but when He became a human being, He took on traits and attributes of men, like being able to die physically. But when He did die, it's not like He became any weaker.

Read this

 

[Lonely]

When Jesus died as a man, he didn't cease to exist, he just died physically, but continued to operate as God, this is seen when the Bible describes the Harrowing of Hell, when Christ died, He descended into Sheol, a place where some people from the Old Testament stayed after their deaths and freed them from that place, giving them a pathway to Heaven they didn't properly have in their times. He was mortal in the sense that He was a physical person who could be killed, but when he was killed, He didn't lose the ability to do things a normal person would lose, He retained all the power He had, and rose again. God can't die, and Christ, pre-incarnation couldn't die, as He had the nature of God, since He was God, but when He became a human being, He took on traits and attributes of men, like being able to die physically. But when He did die, it's not like He became any weaker.

You do realise this makes no sense? Try explaining this to a 5 year old…

Compare this to Tawhid. Anyone, anywhere can understand that there’s one God who’s indivisible, all powerful and uncreated.