Christians, explain this

Lonely said:
You can simply ask yourself:

“What makes God, God?”

And you’ll find your answer
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Again, You can't describe an infinity and perfect entity. Humans by default are not perfect.
 
Lonely said:
1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.
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Based seeing you again
 
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beimero said:
It's not logical to us for God to have always existed and exist. Yet it is the truth. Some things we can't fully process. Just like kids don't always understand why parents give them certain orders or forbid them from doing something.
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It is logical.

God is the uncreated, first cause. Where is the contradiction in him having existed forever?

But, God dying is a contradiction, because it goes against his nature.
 
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Lonely said:
1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.
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Jesus died for us
God is an omnipotent being.
 
Lonely said:
“Jesus died and yet is immortal”

“He is a bachelor and yet is married”

They’re the same type of statement
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He died and has eternal life, not mutually exclusive. Obviously anyone born as a man is subject to death because of flesh, but God is not beholden to death so Jesus Christ rose.

Subject by natural condition(being a man), not beholden by natural innocence to original cause of condition(righteousness of God), which was Adam. Why Christ is called second Adam.
 
Lonely said:
It is logical.

God is the uncreated, first cause. Where is the contradiction in him having existed forever?

But, God dying is a contradiction, because it goes against his nature.
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His mortal body died. He never ceased to exist.
 
Freestyleofnoone said:
He died and has eternal life, not mutually exclusive. Obviously anyone born as a man is subject to death because of flesh, but God is not beholden to death so Jesus Christ rose.

Subject by natural condition(being a man), not beholden by natural innocence to original cause of condition(righteousness of God), which was Adam. Why Christ is called second Adam.
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Again, if we go back to the core contention, if I asked you if Jesus was God, you’d say yes, correct?

In that case, the problem of him dying, despite being God in your view, is contradictory to Gods nature.
 
Lonely said:
How can an immortal being with no need for a body, have a body?
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He never needed it. He chose to be in one so he could give an example and cleanse us from our sins by suffering. I don't fully understand what you mean
 
beimero said:
He never needed it. He chose to be in one so he could give an example and cleanse us from our since by suffering. I don't fully understand what you mean
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It does not befit Gods nature for him to become a mortal, limited being. It is rationally impossible.
 
Gos is an idea, not a physical entity. We all have a part of the creation inside us
 
Lonely said:
It does not befit Gods nature for him to become a mortal, limited being. It is rationally impossible.
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That's the thing. It doesn't benefit him but us. He suffered for us. Also nothing is impossible for God.
 
beimero said:
Better to die Christian than not. If you lived as a Christian you lived normal but just righteous life. It's a good way of living regardless
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you can have morals without religion
 
Lonely said:
1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.
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I am not christian but i know how they explain that,they say that Jesus became human so that is why he died,but Islam makes way more sense because in Islam Jesus was prophet who was telling Ppl that there is a God and you gotta pray to him and he did not die but God changed him with another person who died for him and Jesus was sent to 6th heaven,Jesus also was praying to God when he was on Earth,and Christians say that he was praying to himself/God Christians are jfl
 
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Lonely said:
Again, if we go back to the core contention, if I asked you if Jesus was God, you’d say yes, correct?

In that case, the problem of him dying, despite being God in your view, is contradictory to Gods nature.
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Gods incarnation dissolved the distinct categories of mortal vs immortal by Gods power.

So you operate on these categories while missing the point
 
Lonely said:
1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.
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same with every religion
 
Freestyleofnoone said:
Gods incarnation dissolved the distinct categories of mortal vs immortal by Gods power.

So you operate on these categories while missing the point
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Okay so you’re saying “God works in mysterious ways”
 
Malllc2 said:
so why be religious if you dont need it for morality, and theres no evidence of it being real?
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The most logical answer to us being here as well as other signs make me think he is real. You understood why he doesn't make himself evident because I explained. If you wish to know him better he will help. If I know he exists and don't live as a Christian I will go to hell. I don't want that.
 
beimero said:
The most logical answer to us being here as well as other signs make me think he is real. You understood why he doesn't make himself evident because I explained. If you wish to know him better he will help. If I know he exists and don't live as a Christian I will go to hell. I don't want that.
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but you DONT know he exists...
 
Lonely said:
Okay so you’re saying “God works in mysterious ways”
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It’s actually explained pretty clearly. I could ask you a hundred times how can a mortal be immortal, same effect. The righteousness of God is incorruption, this is Jesus Christ who defeated death.

“For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”
 
Lonely said:
1. God is Immortal

2. Jesus was Mortal

3. God cannot die

4. Jesus died

5. How can Jesus be God?

You can extend this same argument to knowledge, power, etc too, not just mortality.

You cannot say “God can do anything”
Because God does not do thing not befitting his nature. For example, God will not become Satan, nor will God make himself cease to exist.

I’m not looking to hate or cause issues, just want to have a genuine discussion.
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religion is jester anyways… who cares about this bs
 
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