Christians

[RecessedCel5]

Can a christian tell me why they chose Christianity over paganism or islam

i am genuinely interested on why you think Christianity is more true

and what are your gripes with other religions that made you choose it (mainly islam , since thats what most of my knowledge is composed of)


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[SLA]

Most verifiable and testifiable religion, and that its the only religion that seeks the future kingdom and not the current kingdom. The insane amount of historical verifiable evidence for the miracles and actions described in the gospels and acts is overwhelming and undeniable, and the gospel itself has remained virtually unchanged for 1700+ years. Christ himself says he is God, and he proved it.

Islam focuses on the current kingdom (religion of revenge, hate, etc.) while Christ's kingdom is not of this world, lest he would not have died (John 18:36).

Paganism is just retarded and I don't really think I need to explain why, given the paganistic liberal culture takeover in the past 10 or so years.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Bc Jesus rose from the dead, its the greatest historical fact ever
Also Islam says Allah sent down the Gospel (3:3) but the Gospel says Jesus was crucified for our sins, and the koran says Jesus was not killed (4:157)

 

[RecessedCel5]

Most verifiable and testifiable religion, and that its the only religion that seeks the future kingdom and not the current kingdom. The insane amount of historical verifiable evidence for the miracles and actions described in the gospels and acts is overwhelming and undeniable, and the gospel itself has remained virtually unchanged for 1700+ years. Christ himself says he is God, and he proved it.

Islam focuses on the current kingdom (religion of revenge, hate, etc.) while Christ's kingdom is not of this world, lest he would not have died (John 18:36).

Paganism is just retarded and I don't really think I need to explain why, given the paganistic liberal culture takeover in the past 10 or so years.

in islam we do believe that jesus existed but where we would differ is that we believe that he isn't the son of god and is a prophet .

and we believe that he didn't die . but was lifted up to the heavens .

i don't get what you mean by kingdoms ?

i would like to ask you a question : how could there be 3 gods ? , isn't that very similar to paganism

 

[Adriana Lima]

Christians seething Islam mogs

 

[RecessedCel5]

Bc Jesus rose from the dead, its the greatest historical fact ever
Also Islam says Allah sent down the Gospel (3:3) but the Gospel says Jesus was crucified for our sins, and the koran says Jesus was not killed (4:157)

yes we believe that he was replaced by someone that looks like him

 

[gamma]

Cause Jesus was Chad

 

[RecessedCel5]

Cause Jesus was Chad

 

[Deleted member 5969]

yes we believe that he was replaced by someone that looks like him

in islam we do believe that jesus existed but where we would differ is that we believe that he isn't the son of god and is a prophet .

and we believe that he didn't die . but was lifted up to the heavens .

i don't get what you mean by kingdoms ?

i would like to ask you a question : how could there be 3 gods ? , isn't that very similar to paganism

This goes against 25,000+ ancient manuscripts btw
its extremely delusional

 

[RecessedCel5]

This goes against 25,000+ ancient manuscripts btw
its extremely delusional

there is so much proof that Christians rewrote alot of things in the bible

 

[RecessedCel5]

there are literally 2 testaments.

how can you rewrite and god's word

 

[paranakee]

most people in the west are born in to it and never think of comparing it with other ones

 

[Deleted member 5969]

there is so much proof that Christians rewrote alot of things in the bible

different english translations of the bible does not mean the bible has been rewritten
what a doofus average islam coper btw, depends on stupid arguments that go against logic

 

[Deleted member 5969]

there are literally 2 testaments.

how can you rewrite and god's word

Jesus Christ: "I come not to change the law, but to fulfill it"
its basic Christian theology

 

[SLA]

i would like to ask you a question : how could there be 3 gods ? , isn't that very similar to paganism

Not three gods - one god, three persons. That's a very deep and somewhat difficult theological and philosophical issue that can be difficult, but honestly think of it kind of like having a main character in a video game that has like three forms, like Kiryu in some of the yakuza games. The father is god, Jesus is god, the holy ghost is god, but they are separate from each other. Kiryu has brawler form, beast form, and rush form, but they're all separate but still Kiryu.

It is a heresy to believe in three separate and distinct Gods. That is scripturally unfounded. They all do the same will, the Father's.

i don't get what you mean by kingdoms ?

This is something that the disciples struggled with too. There is the kingdom of earth (satan's), and the kingdom of heaven (Christ's). Many thought of Christ during his earthly ministry as a earthly leader, a man who would set free Israel from the romans - that he would become an earthly king and rule justly. But as the gospels played out, we know this didn't happen. The Christian faith calls us to live similarly, to seek the next kingdom. The islamic life is much more focused on this fallen kingdom, which is why there is so much warmongering and anger in their distinctions. The killing and punishment of nonbelievers, lack of forgiveness and repentance, etc. is a earthly kingdom issue and stops people from reaching Christ's kingdom - which will be available on the day he returns.

in islam we do believe that jesus existed but where we would differ is that we believe that he isn't the son of god and is a prophet .

>57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[d] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

In the above passage from John 8, Jesus says I AM. This is what God said to Moses who he was. I AM = YAHWEH. This is most certainly evidence that Christ is the Son.

>Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”[c] 36 He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

Another wonderful passage from John 9 above. Son of Man (a OT prophecy, kinda specifically from Daniel IIRC) and Son of God were interchangable terms to the Jews at this time.

 

[RecessedCel5]

Jesus Christ: "I come not to change the law, but to fulfill it"
its basic Christian theology

then explain to me why the old testament and the new testament are different

 

[Deleted member 5969]

then explain to me why the old testament and the new testament are different

in the OT it prophesizes 300 times about the Messiah who will come to teach new things and do away with the old covenant under Jewish Law
Jesus fulfilled every prophecy
thats why at the last supper Jesus said this marks the new covenant

 

[RecessedCel5]

in the OT it prophesizes 300 times about the Messiah who will come to teach new things and do away with the old covenant under Jewish Law
Jesus fulfilled every prophecy
thats why at the last supper Jesus said this marks the new covenant

yes and that is mohammed according to our beliefs

 

[RecessedCel5]

Not three gods - one god, three persons. That's a very deep and somewhat difficult theological and philosophical issue that can be difficult, but honestly think of it kind of like having a main character in a video game that has like three forms, like Kiryu in some of the yakuza games. The father is god, Jesus is god, the holy ghost is god, but they are separate from each other. Kiryu has brawler form, beast form, and rush form, but they're all separate but still Kiryu.

so can they exist separate from each other , are they dependent on one another

 

[RecessedCel5]

The islamic life is much more focused on this fallen kingdom, which is why there is so much warmongering and anger in their distinctions. The killing and punishment of nonbelievers, lack of forgiveness and repentance

i would like to know what you led you to think that.

 

[RecessedCel5]

Not three gods - one god, three persons. That's a very deep and somewhat difficult theological and philosophical issue that can be difficult, but honestly think of it kind of like having a main character in a video game that has like three forms, like Kiryu in some of the yakuza games. The father is god, Jesus is god, the holy ghost is god, but they are separate from each other. Kiryu has brawler form, beast form, and rush form, but they're all separate but still Kiryu.

It is a heresy to believe in three separate and distinct Gods. That is scripturally unfounded. They all do the same will, the Father's.

This is something that the disciples struggled with too. There is the kingdom of earth (satan's), and the kingdom of heaven (Christ's). Many thought of Christ during his earthly ministry as a earthly leader, a man who would set free Israel from the romans - that he would become an earthly king and rule justly. But as the gospels played out, we know this didn't happen. The Christian faith calls us to live similarly, to seek the next kingdom. The islamic life is much more focused on this fallen kingdom, which is why there is so much warmongering and anger in their distinctions. The killing and punishment of nonbelievers, lack of forgiveness and repentance, etc. is a earthly kingdom issue and stops people from reaching Christ's kingdom - which will be available on the day he returns.

>57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[d] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

In the above passage from John 8, Jesus says I AM. This is what God said to Moses who he was. I AM = YAHWEH. This is most certainly evidence that Christ is the Son.

>Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”[c] 36 He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

Another wonderful passage from John 9 above. Son of Man (a OT prophecy, kinda specifically from Daniel IIRC) and Son of God were interchangable terms to the Jews at this time.

and doesn't it say in the gospel of john that the father is the only true god

 

[Deleted member 5969]

yes and that is mohammed according to our beliefs

Ok the Torah also says eating camel and rabbit meat is a sin and Mohammed ate it in the Hadiths
The Torah is God’s word (surah 3:3)

 

[RecessedCel5]

Ok the Torah also says eating camel and rabbit meat is a sin and Mohammed ate it in the Hadiths
The Torah is God’s word (surah 3:3)

its corrupted , and we don't believe that its a sin to eat camel meat.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Most verifiable and testifiable religion, and that its the only religion that seeks the future kingdom and not the current kingdom. The insane amount of historical verifiable evidence for the miracles and actions described in the gospels and acts is overwhelming and undeniable, and the gospel itself has remained virtually unchanged for 1700+ years. Christ himself says he is God, and he proved it.

Islam focuses on the current kingdom (religion of revenge, hate, etc.) while Christ's kingdom is not of this world, lest he would not have died (John 18:36).

Paganism is just retarded and I don't really think I need to explain why, given the paganistic liberal culture takeover in the past 10 or so years.

The prophecies made by a unlettered man in the desert 1400 years ago named Muhammad (alayhi a salat wa salam) which are clearly being completed nowadays have much more interest to me, but as muslims of course we don't reject all what is in the bible and maybe some prophecies made were true

The claim that the gospels weren't change it's pretty bias... How can you claim the gospel weren't changed when we have empirical proof of them being changed, we have tens if not hundreds of different bibles, and all of them are translated to different languages which means that the meaning would still constantly changing since a word in Greek-English has different synonyms etc etc etc than a word in arameic,

If i want to understand 100% what Jesus (alayhi a salam/peace be upon him) said, i need an arameic bible from his times and not an english from King James, since as i said, we have empirical proofs that the bible has been changes, but 1400 year ago we have the same Qur'an, in the same language for the meaning to not be distorted (if i want to understand the Qur'an completely i can see what 'x' word meant in the time of the Prophet by looking at the works the scholars did at the time, but in the Bible with the constant translations the meaning has been distorted too much)

And again, with all due respect to you, i can't take christianity over Islam never because it's base and core principle which is trinity is pretty impossible to understand that not even one scholar gives the same definition of the other, how can the Jesus be All Powerful and All Knowing God but then claim that only the Father knows the Hour, and various things like that, whereas Islam is pretty clear in it's core principal which is believing in one Deity worthy of Worship, One God

Allah says clearly in the Qur'an (interpretation of the meaning): Say "He is Allah, One, Unique, Allah the Sustainer (Everyone needs Him and He doesn't Need nobody), He does not begot nor was He Beggoten, And Nothing is comparable to Him

The Qur'an is pretty clear on it's core principles, wherea actual Christianity is very far from what Jesus and his disciples teachings were

If i start to read the Bible i can find several historical contradictions like these ones

For example let's go to 2 Samuel 6:23: "Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no children on the day of her death"

But in 2 Samuel 21:8: "...the five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul"

2 Chronicles 22:2: "Ahaziah was forty two years old when he became king"

2 Kings 8:26: "Ahaziah was twenty two years old when he became king"

And what about Judas final hours? How he died and what he did with the money?

Acts 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the wages of inquity, and fallong headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out"

Matthew 27:5: "Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself"

 

[Deleted member 5969]

its corrupted , and we don't believe that its a sin to eat camel meat.

BLASPHEMY!!!!!! THE KORAN SAYS TORAH IS THE WORD OF GOD!
ISLAMCOPERS "MUH CORRUPTED"
LOL

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Look at how Allah corrects the Bible here

Exodus 31:17: "It will be a sign beetwen me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, BUT ON THE SEVENTH DAY HE RESTED AND WAS REFRESHED"

But in Al Qur'an Allah clearly says in 50:38 (Interpretation of the meaning):
And We did certainly create the heavens and earth and what is between them in six journeys/stages, and there touched Us no weariness.

How can Christians and Jews believe that God is All Powerful but then say that he needed to rest?

And we have a lot of things like this which we can put as an example

 

[RecessedCel5]

BLASPHEMY!!!!!! THE KORAN SAYS TORAH IS THE WORD OF GOD!
ISLAMCOPERS "MUH CORRUPTED"
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

yes , in its original non edited form .
but it doesn't exist anymore , its been edited , rewritten

 

[Deleted member 5969]

yes , in its original non edited form .
but it doesn't exist anymore , its been edited , rewritten

Thats another blasphemy, Gods word cannot be edited the Koran says
And that goes against all evidence we have
Bro just stop coping and cry out to Jesus

 

[RecessedCel5]

Thats another blasphemy, Gods word cannot be edited the Koran says
And that goes against all evidence we have
Bro just stop coping and cry out to Jesus

blasphemy ????
idk if its hard to understand that humans delete stuff and add stuff to it

 

[Deleted member 5969]

blasphemy ????
idk if its hard to understand that humans delete stuff and add stuff to it

Yes the Koran says its impossible to edit Gods word

Bro I just exposed Islam, swallow your pride and cry out to Jesus Christ the only God
Once you do you receive the Holy Spirit, its very tangible and you feel so much better

 

[RecessedCel5]

Yes the Koran says its impossible to edit Gods word

Bro I just exposed Islam, swallow your pride and cry out to Jesus Christ the only God
Once you do you receive the Holy Spirit, its very tangible and you feel so much better

explain to me how ?

how its impossible for a human to add stuff and delete stuff

 

[Deleted member 5969]

explain to me how ?

how its impossible for a human to add stuff and delete stuff

Bro look it up it says in the Koran God’s word is incorruptible

I just exposed Islam with the Koran, please bro just swallow your pride

 

[Deleted member 5969]

@RecessedCel5
6:34
6:115
10:64

All say the Word’s of Allah cannot be changed or altered or corrupted etc

 

[RecessedCel5]

Bro look it up it says in the Koran God’s word is incorruptible

I just exposed Islam with the Koran, please bro just swallow your pride

since you love to quote the quran .

in surah 15:9 "indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."

quran was the only word from god that was protected by god himself .

so the other were corruptible

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Please @RecessedCel5 swallow your pride

 

[Deleted member 5969]

since you love to quote the quran .

in surah 15:9 "indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian."

quran was the only word from god that was protected by god himself .

so the other were corruptible

You saying that is against 3:3 and 6:34
That scripture says that Allah sent down the Koran too, nothing contradicting 3:3 and 6:34

Bro please swallow your pride man, you’re coping

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

yes , in its original non edited form .
but it doesn't exist anymore , its been edited , rewritten

As i said, there is empirical proof of the bible being changed, there lies no doubt on that, even the most fanatic scholar or the pope would recognise that, if i put a human word inside the book of God, is not the book of God anymore, that's what i'm trying to say

But the Qur'an? We still have the same Qur'an 1400 years ago, in the same language, this is because Allah said in Surat Al Hijr Verse 9 (interpretation of the meaning): "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an, and indeed, We will be its Guardian"

So Allah promised us he will Guard the Al Qur'an always and we are witnesses of it

If we throw all humanity books to the sea right now and we try to bring them back by memory, Christians, Jews and all other religions can bring their best scholars, i can assure you and i swear this by Allah, that they will not bring the same book, i dare them, bring the best scholars you have, even the pope

We muslims will bring children from Somalia, Pakistan, Morocco, Bangladesh, Ivory Coast, any place of the world you can imagine and i can swear by Allah that in a matter of hours if not minutes we will all have the same Qur'an, look at the wisdom of Allah, Subhanallah, this is because Allah said clearly in the Qur'an (interpretation of the meaning): "And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?"

Just imagine a kid from Mauritania or Senegal who doesn't even know arabic but can give you the entire Qur'an in it's orginal language, think about the wisdom behind this people, imagine yourself memorising a long book of a completely foreign language like chinese or something like that, with the most chinese of accents

Sometimes it can make one cry of joyfullness

 

[RecessedCel5]

You saying that is against 3:3 and 6:34
That scripture says that Allah sent down the Koran too, nothing contradicting 3:3 and 6:34

Bro please swallow your pride man, you’re coping

how does it go against 3:3 ? and 6:34

 

[RecessedCel5]

@RecessedCel5
6:34
6:115
10:64

All say the Word’s of Allah cannot be changed or altered or corrupted etc

6:115 was addressing the quran

 

[Deleted member 5969]

how does it go against 3:3 ? and 6:34

You said that Allah’s Word (the Torah and the Gospel) is corruptible

But 3:3 says the Torah and the Gospel is Allah’s Word

And 6:34 says Allah’s Word is incorruptible

 

[Deleted member 5969]

6:115 was addressing the quran

Ok even if thats true we still have 6:34 and 10:64

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

You saying that is against 3:3 and 6:34
That scripture says that Allah sent down the Koran too, nothing contradicting 3:3 and 6:34

Bro please swallow your pride man, you’re coping

Tell me, what are you claiming and let me answer you

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Please bro swallow your pride and repent
We are talking about Heaven and Hell here

 

[SLA]

so can they exist separate from each other , are they dependent on one another

That's actually a good question, IDK. Certainly part of Christ's humility on earth made him dependent on the fathers will. Christ also requests from the father to remove his cup right before he is arrested. But from a philosophical point of view, my guess would be they are dependent, since they are one God.

and doesn't it say in the gospel of john that the father is the only true god

God the father is the only true god, and he is in Christ and Christ in Him. Christ's earthly ministry is rooted in humility, from a humble birth to a humiliating death. In his earthly ministry, he humbled himself so much to pure submission to the Father's will. This is all part of his trip to the cross.

i would like to know what you led you to think that.

There exists no idea of stoning, murder, etc. in Christianity. Have they happened out of failures of men? Probably. But they aren't justified.

Acts 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the wages of inquity, and fallong headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out"

Matthew 27:5: "Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself"

Actually heard this one many times, the answer is they both happened. He hung himself, rotted, fell from the rope, guts came out. Simple as. These describe the same event that took place in the Field of Blood. Not sure on the other ones but will look into them out of my curiosity.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Tell me, what are you claiming and let me answer you

https://looksmax.org/threads/islam-is-a-joke.322934/#post-5456769

If you say the Torah and the Gospel is not Allah’s Word, that’s blasphemy

If you say the Torah and the Gospel has been corrupted, that’s blasphemy

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Not three gods - one god, three persons. That's a very deep and somewhat difficult theological and philosophical issue that can be difficult, but honestly think of it kind of like having a main character in a video game that has like three forms, like Kiryu in some of the yakuza games. The father is god, Jesus is god, the holy ghost is god, but they are separate from each other. Kiryu has brawler form, beast form, and rush form, but they're all separate but still Kiryu.

It is a heresy to believe in three separate and distinct Gods. That is scripturally unfounded. They all do the same will, the Father's.

This is something that the disciples struggled with too. There is the kingdom of earth (satan's), and the kingdom of heaven (Christ's). Many thought of Christ during his earthly ministry as a earthly leader, a man who would set free Israel from the romans - that he would become an earthly king and rule justly. But as the gospels played out, we know this didn't happen. The Christian faith calls us to live similarly, to seek the next kingdom. The islamic life is much more focused on this fallen kingdom, which is why there is so much warmongering and anger in their distinctions. The killing and punishment of nonbelievers, lack of forgiveness and repentance, etc. is a earthly kingdom issue and stops people from reaching Christ's kingdom - which will be available on the day he returns.

>57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[d] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

In the above passage from John 8, Jesus says I AM. This is what God said to Moses who he was. I AM = YAHWEH. This is most certainly evidence that Christ is the Son.

>Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”[c] 36 He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

Another wonderful passage from John 9 above. Son of Man (a OT prophecy, kinda specifically from Daniel IIRC) and Son of God were interchangable terms to the Jews at this time.

Jesus also says to baptize in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
Jesus also says “Me and the Father are one”
Both scriptures prove the Trinity

 

[RecessedCel5]

You said that Allah’s Word (the Torah and the Gospel) is corruptible

But 3:3 says the Torah and the Gospel is Allah’s Word

And 6:34 says Allah’s Word is incorruptible

3:3 he says that he revealed the torah and the bible .

6:34 has no mention of corruption

"Indeed, messengers before you were rejected but patiently endured rejection and persecution until Our help came to them. And Allah’s promise ˹to help˺ is never broken. And you have already received some of the narratives of these messengers. "

 

[RecessedCel5]

the prophets all shared one message , which is to worship god one and only .

 

[Deleted member 5969]

3:3 he says that he revealed the torah and the bible .

6:34 has no mention of corruption

"Indeed, messengers before you were rejected but patiently endured rejection and persecution until Our help came to them. And Allah’s promise ˹to help˺ is never broken. And you have already received some of the narratives of these messengers. "

3:3 says he sent down the Torah and the gospel
And revealed means the same thing

“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).