Christmas MASS in the Anglican Church was full of curries

[Orc]

It’s not objective though that’s your opinion it’s bad which once again isn’t real in your worldview.

you can keep repeating this, it doesn't fundamentally change what logic is, you don't have any.

Please stop borrowing from theistic frameworks For ethics please stop just be an honest GAYtheist like David Hume and Descartes.

theistic frameworks are stolen from nature, they weren't original enough to make up their own.

ethnics already existed before religion did, we know this because we've got elaborate evidence for functioning groups dating back millions of years, non humans largely follow the same conduct, because there's not that much difference between species when it comes to functioning in groups.

I don’t mind changing my view on this if you can ground moral truths. I get that sure it’s scarring the kids and the like but… since when does quantifying the hard itself make something objective? That’s a non sequitur

what the fuck are you even saying, since when does demonstrating that it unfalsifiable and tangibly brings harms to individuals make it objective, what is that supposed to even mean, ofcourse that makes it objective, you cannot deny that reality.

All you have done is shown me the consequences of an action which I agree empirically it’s true however how does that answer the question of why those consequences are objectively wrong or even immoral?

there is no objective wrong or right, there is only functional and non functional in nature.

Hell why should anybody even give a fuck about harm if morality is some random result of human electrical nodes firing due to evolution

because it allows you to exist within the group, that is the only reason organisms abide by it.

humans cannot live independently, they rely and others and thus need to respect others in order to keep themselves alive.

even hunter gatherers cannot manage alone, that's why they live in groups.

Or a social construct/convention in fact if this is so, why should it be seen as true or binding

it is binding because without it you're excluded from the group.

on me or everybody once again Islamic nations would argue fucking kids is ok. What is there that makes me OUGHT to value wellbeing over harm? In this case consequences.

here's the consequences of their behaviour.

they've essentially crippled their genepool with inbreeding.

I mean you just opened a massive tin of worms here buddy. So can atheism truly account for objective morality? I have yet to see it demonstrated yet.

just about every choice humans make as a group has tangible physical reasons and didn't occur at random.

 

[LiL 369]

Your response isn’t sufficient because these things are constants and thus not beholden to human opinions. But let’s entertain you for a moment
If humans decide say for example ethics then as a negro you have to accept slavery wasn’t wrong, it was just what the society agreed was ok and thus you can’t cry over it. In fact nazi germany wasn’t wrong,

If morality was just about what society decides, then things like slavery or what happened in Nazi Germany could be considered "okay," because people there thought it was right... But that's a problem right? because no one could say those things were wrong... Even thought they r obviously wrong. Thats why we as a society have some sort of morals that everybody know... meaning things that are always wrong, like killing people, stealing... things that no matter what society thinks, are always wrong. These things are wrong because they hurt the rights or dignity of all humans, and that applies to everyone, everywhere, at any time. Morality is based on principles that everyone should follow, not on what people think.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

He’s a literal retard and so are his butt buddies.

He said “logic is Tangable” I asked him where can I go touch find and measure this logic? Can I make an logic core cream and lick it

Guys a fucking imbecile

 

[Thebuffdon]

He’s a literal retard and so are his butt buddies.

He said “logic is Tangable” I asked him where can I go touch find and measure this logic? Can I make an logic core cream and lick it

Guys a fucking imbecile

Lol I don’t mean orc I mean the other dude who said ur god doesn’t exist or some shit it’s just a way to control or whatever (cage)

I cba to fucking read ur guys arguments I’d rather bang my head against a brick wall. Already have good understanding of everything it’s borderline useless to argue with these idiots on here.

 

[LiL 369]

Atheism cannot account for morality beyond mere subjective intuitive grasps on naturalistic forms of “morality”. I had to come to graps with this as an atheist. Every moral “law” in atheism is just societal constructs forced amongst the populous with 0 moral grounding whatsoever which anyone (and ppl have) been able to easily bypass because of the lack of a robust moral foundation (such as Christian law) and the eradication of it from western societies.

In short atheism gets you tolerance to Mohammaden ideology through mass importing which they cannot even deny because of Muh tolerance and uprooting of atheistic grasps of so called morality

What are you talking about dude. Instead of deriving morality from made up stories and divine entities atheism for itself, it’s grounded in human reasoning, well-being, and shared values. Thats why you dont see modern day atheist mfs out of control in society, in fact, the religious mfs r the ones killing each other.

 

[Orc]

I shut your dumbass up with one google search
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Here’s the laws of logic you fucking dipshit sterioidbrained retard seeing as you’re too low Iq to google
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logic in the non theoretical sense is only a practical discipline that fully relies on tangible evidence.

the 'laws of logic' are philosophical.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

If morality was just about what society decides, then things like slavery or what happened in Nazi Germany could be considered "okay," because people there thought it was right... But that's a problem right? because no one could say those things were wrong... Even thought they r obviously wrong. Thats why we as a society have some sort of morals that everybody know... meaning things that are always wrong, like killing people, stealing... things that no matter what society thinks, are always wrong. These things are wrong because they hurt the rights or dignity of all humans, and that applies to everyone, everywhere, at any time. Morality is based on principles that everyone should follow, not on what people think.

And yet many societies today have slavery allowed just visit the Islamic world their society agrees that it’s a good thing. Your beginning to become an cultural supremacist and you have yet to provide me as to how soemthing is objectively Immoral or moral al you have done is tell me what I ought to do but WHY OUGHT I do that? In fact


What gives humans dignity? If we are all just random space dust then we don’t deserve dignity, who’s to say we aren’t here to just decay and die and suffer? So a murderer is just speeding up the process what’s the issue?

The principles you hold ought not to be followed by everybody though and are only followed by those from your cultural background and even those within it beg to differ because once again the society you exist in 300 years ago said putting a nigger in chains and raping his anus until it bleeds for buck breaking was a great sport. So what ethics morality is volatile? If so why OUGHT i take it seriously ?

 

[LiL 369]

Lol I don’t mean orc I mean the other dude who said ur god doesn’t exist or some shit it’s just a way to control or whatever (cage)

I cba to fucking read ur guys arguments I’d rather bang my head against a brick wall. Already have good understanding of everything it’s borderline useless to argue with these idiots on here.

ahah show proof then... cant wait to see a bunch of nothing keyboard warriors...

 

[Thebuffdon]

What are you talking about dude. Instead of deriving morality from made up stories and divine entities atheism for itself, it’s grounded in human reasoning, well-being, and shared values. Thats why you dont see modern day atheist mfs out of control in society, in fact, the religious mfs r the ones killing each other.

I cannot begin to explain to you how stupid you sound. Thinking you have intellectual arguments when you sound like a 1st grade college Becky questioning the professor on “ethics”

Like I explained to @PrinceLuenLeoncur already I’m not entertaining these useless arguments with absolute imbeciles who provide no value to the convo whatsoever and have never even picked up a philosophy book in their life, but use Reddit tier atheist arguments like god can’t life a rock he can’t make or some bs.

Stick to your beliefs, and learn through actual academia not pretending to know shit on org when you don’t

 

[Thebuffdon]

ahah show proof then... cant wait to see a bunch of nothing keyboard warriors...

Joined Oct 4th 2024

@PrinceLuenLeoncur i can’t believe you can put up with these 10iq greys lol

 

[LiL 369]

And yet many societies today have slavery allowed just visit the Islamic world their society agrees that it’s a good thing. Your beginning to become an cultural supremacist and you have yet to provide me as to how soemthing is objectively Immoral or moral al you have done is tell me what I ought to do but WHY OUGHT I do that? In fact

Shocking... MAYBE BUT MAYBEEEEE THYE DO THAT CAUSE, THEY R LEGIT BLINDED/BRAINWASHED BY MADE UP STORIES THEY'VE BEEN IMPOSED SINCE THEY WERE BORN TO TELL THEM HOW TO ACT, the same way u r into believing fairytales.

 

[LiL 369]

I cannot begin to explain to you how stupid you sound. Thinking you have intellectual arguments when you sound like a 1st grade college Becky questioning the professor on “ethics”

Like I explained to @PrinceLuenLeoncur already I’m not entertaining these useless arguments with absolute imbeciles who provide no value to the convo whatsoever and have never even picked up a philosophy book in their life, but use Reddit tier atheist arguments like god can’t life a rock he can’t make or some bs.

Stick to your beliefs, and learn through actual academia not pretending to know shit on org when you don’t

Joined Oct 4th 2024

@PrinceLuenLeoncur i can’t believe you can put up with these 10iq greys lol

Never wanted to sound intellectual, good arguments using the date of joining an incel forum as a argument. Good argument and proof of your point, kys low iq ape. "Muh i joined this website longer than you im superior" Incels man... they get me everytime. legit what the actual fuck am i reading.

ahah show proof then... cant wait to see a bunch of nothing keyboard warriors...

Ur response to this was saying that i sound stupid... calling me 10iq when i just asked u for evidence for what ur claim .

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

logic in the non theoretical sense is only a practical discipline that fully relies on tangible evidence.

the 'laws of logic' are philosophical.

Even in its practical elements logic does rely on abstract universal laws which I pointed out. Even the PRACTICAL USAGE of logic presupposes LOGICALL UNIVERSAL ABSTRACT PRINCIPLES. None of which are testable but are all from the laws of logic which are Axiomic truths. If you don’t know what an Axiom is go fucking google it im done educating you im not your dad.

Even mathematics is abstract which is what I have been trying to tell your dumbass as however it does govern the physical world as the two cross over the same applies to logic. It is abstract however it is the NECESSARY PRECONDITION FOR FOR ALL REASONING

AND LOGIC IS GROUNDED IN THE DIVINE MIND AKA GOD BECAUSE THEN NOTHING GROUNDS LOGIC SO IF LOGIC EXISTS THEFORE GOD which is elementary school tier Transcendental argument for GOD.

I’m not gonna reply to you anymore you choose to not google how about you use Chat GPT or google to help clear up your imbecilic confusions it’s beginning to piss me off I feel like I’m speaking to an illiterate child there’s a reason I stopped replying to you. You’re a fucking idiot to intellectually dishonest to verify your ludicrous claims.

 

[Thebuffdon]

Never wanted to sound intellectual, good arguments using the date of joining an incel forum as a argument. Good argument and proof of your point, kys low iq ape. "Muh i joined this website longer than you im superior" Incels man... they get me everytime. legit what the actual fuck am i reading.

Ur response to this was saying that i sound stupid... calling me 10iq when i just asked u for evidence for what ur claim .

Bro just ignored everything straight up. Needless to say nothing more will be discussed

Ignored

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Shocking... MAYBE BUT MAYBEEEEE THYE DO THAT CAUSE, THEY R LEGIT BLINDED/BRAINWASHED BY MADE UP STORIES THEY'VE BEEN IMPOSED SINCE THEY WERE BORN TO TELL THEM HOW TO ACT, the same way u r into believing fairytales.

Or maybe JUST MAYBE IT VARIES FROM CULTURE TO CULTURE AND THAT YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY MORALITY AND ETHICS. Japanese aren’t religious they are GAYthiest like you and YET they also fuck kids over there. What you gonna say about that? Yeah so stop the bullshit and accept you have no answer

It’s ok to be wrong or not have ever thought about this stuff early last year I was new to these arguments as well which like you j tried to rationalise to be conventions but was also countered.

So tldr it’s subjective and thefore meaningless as subjectivity denies truth and falsehood so epistemology breaks down in the process and leads to chaos

 

[LiL 369]

Bro just ignored everything straight up. Needless to say nothing more will be discussed

Ignored

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. all i asked was proof of his claims. u cant make this shit up.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Bro just ignored everything straight up. Needless to say nothing more will be discussed

Ignored

He’s not even that bad you should see Orc he has caused me a migraine with his retard takes

 

[Orc]

Even in its practical elements logic does rely on abstract universal laws which I pointed out.

it doesn't, it just relies on physical, tangible, replicable evidence.

Even the PRACTICAL USAGE of logic presupposes LOGICALL UNIVERSAL ABSTRACT PRINCIPLES. None of which are testable

we can test for just about every universal law, that's how we know they exist.

but are all from the laws of logic which are Axiomic truths. If you don’t know what an Axiom is go fucking google it im done educating you im not your dad.

dnr

Even mathematics is abstract which is what I have been trying to tell your dumbass as however it does govern the physical world as the two cross over the same applies to logic. It is abstract however it is the NECESSARY PRECONDITION FOR FOR ALL REASONING

mathematics aren't required to function, we don't even need them to form groups, or civilizations.

I don't see why you're so obsessed with them, they are very meaningless to existence.

AND LOGIC IS GROUNDED IN THE DIVINE MIND AKA GOD BECAUSE THEN NOTHING GROUNDS LOGIC SO IF LOGIC EXISTS THEFORE GOD which is elementary school tier Transcendental argument for GOD.

congrats on writing the most retarded thing I'll read today and I still have to check 50 applications.

I’m not gonna reply to you anymore you choose to not google how about you use Chat GPT or google to help clear up your imbecilic confusions it’s beginning to piss me off I feel like I’m speaking to an illiterate child there’s a reason I stopped replying to you. You’re a fucking idiot to intellectually dishonest to verify your ludicrous claims.

still waiting for you to present evidence for your god but I accept your defeat.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Joined Oct 4th 2024

@PrinceLuenLeoncur i can’t believe you can put up with these 10iq greys lol

Well when there’s a mod whose championing them with their retardation I have to put them in their place

I won my debate with Orc the retard I showed his beliefs such as logic being Tangable and that ethics is merely an human convention based on the consequences of an event being wrong. I have nothing more to discuss with ord he has been thoroughly anally raped and educated.

Back to the gym to inject steroids into his anus he goes.
@TechnoBoss this is what I meant when I said orc is retarded

All his retorts are proven false by one google search which I even demonstrated to him and yet he still messages me like the abused dog he is trying to bark for my attention because his daddy showed him none

 

[LiL 369]

Or maybe JUST MAYBE IT VARIES FROM CULTURE TO CULTURE AND THAT YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY MORALITY AND ETHICS. Japanese aren’t religious they are GAYthiest like you and YET they also fuck kids over there. What you gonna say about that? Yeah so stop the bullshit and accept you have no answer

Japanese arent religious and they have the lowest or one of the lowest crime rate worldwide, which proves it works, look america/brazil fully religious yet they r killing each other likes there's no tomorrow. Tehy "fuck kids" knowing that is wrong thats why they try to hide it, thats why they hvae prisons thats why they have a justice system... your point is retarded, better yet proofs my point instead.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Japanese arent religious and they have the lowest or one of the lowest crime rate worldwide, which proves it works, look america/brazil fully religious yet they r killing each other likes there's no tomorrow. Tehy "fuck kids" knowing that is wrong thats why they try to hide it, thats why they hvae prisons thats why they have a justice system... your point is retarded, better yet proofs my point instead.

Americans are atheist… the west is atheist

Communist china and Soviet Union were atheist and could hunt Christian’s for sport and look at that .

Brazil favelas are shitholes but every Brazilian I have met was atheist tbh, so I think Brazil is Faux religious much like USA.

Your point is low IQ though but hey no point arguing with you on this is your too stupid to get it because I see your shifting the goal post because you can’t support your point you just wanna argue for the sake of arguing that’s fine but I won’t entertain it

 

[persuss]

Well when there’s a mod whose championing them with their retaedation I have to put them in their place

 

[LiL 369]

He’s not even that bad you should see Orc he has caused me a migraine with his retard takes

I asked him to prove his point and he says that... man child... Bet he left feeling like the better man, poor guy, bullied at a very young age probably.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

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Fair enough but in my defence I’m on my phone and I mis click letters

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I asked him to prove his point and he says that... man child... Bet he left feeling like the better man, poor guy, bullied at a very young age probably.

seeing as your not as brain dead as orc I’ll be nice and end it on this note

The GAYthietic appeal to cultural relativism does not solve the problem of grounding morality. It only pushes the issue further by ignoring the need for an objective standard to evaluate cultural practices.


If morality truly varies from culture to culture, then no one has the right to condemn any cultural practice, including those they find abhorrent. Yet you seem to believe some practices (e.g., pedophilia) are wrong universally.


• How do you justify this belief in universal moral truths if morality is just a product of culture?


• Without an objective moral standard, isn’t your condemnation of any practice just your personal opinion?

So where’s your transcendental foundation of morality.

 

[LiL 369]

Americans are atheist… the west is atheist

Communist china and Soviet Union were atheist and could hunt Christian’s for sport and look at that .

Brazil favelas are shitholes but every Brazilian I have met was atheist tbh, so I think Brazil is Faux religious much like USA.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH BROOOOO i live in portugal stoppp man. usa literally sell their religions on tv or some bs idk how that work tbh 65% of em r religious. portugal is infested with brazilians (in a good way love em ) 90% of them r religious same goes for their own continent. They r deriven from portugal my man the same mfs that went to your continent spread their religion... what r u talking about favelas man, do u think the crime only happen on favelas? man ur crazy.

Japanese arent religious and they have the lowest or one of the lowest crime rate worldwide, which proves it works, look america/brazil fully religious yet they r killing each other likes there's no tomorrow. Tehy "fuck kids" knowing that is wrong thats why they try to hide it, thats why they hvae prisons thats why they have a justice system... your point is retarded, better yet proofs my point instead.

But yeah how do u explain this a society that is truly mostly atheist compared to brazil/usa behaves way more as a society.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Well once again every Brazilian I have met here and there’s quite a few. In Uk Latino == Brazilian

Every one has been GAYtheist. Portuguese are religious though never met a non Catholic one your the first.

Americans literally argue over abortion, have insane sex culture, and many stupid non Christian things such as usery and female priests. Americans are your prototypical “Culteral Christian’s” they aren’t religious but thy have Christian foundations no different than all other Western Europeans. America is Agnostic even Barrack Obama said “AMERICA IS A POST CHRISTIAN NATION” it’s not Christian take this que and fuck off

Japanese more civilised due to less immigration higher economy, East Asian race being high inhabited so less criminals by default even in the west gooks commit less crime their race wre more collectivist there’s even been genetic studies done on this

Many factors go into this shit lmfao @ your dumbass

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH BROOOOO i live in portugal stoppp man. usa literally sell their religions on tv or some bs idk how that work tbh 65% of em r religious. portugal is infested with brazilians (in a good way love em ) 90% of them r religious same goes for their own continent. They r deriven from portugal my man the same mfs that went to your continent spread their religion... what r u talking about favelas man, do u think the crime only happen on favelas? man ur crazy.

But yeah how do u explain this a society that is truly mostly atheist compared to brazil/usa behaves way more as a society.

 

[khann]

still waiting for you to present evidence for your god but I accept your defeat.

Is your primary argument against the existence of God rooted in the absence of empirical evidence?

 

[LiL 369]

Well once again every Brazilian I have met here and there’s quite a few. In Uk Latino == Brazilian

Every one has been GAYtheist. Portuguese are religious though never met a non Catholic one your the first.

Americans literally argue over abortion, have insane sex culture, and many stupid non Christian things such as usery and female priests. Americans are your prototypical “Culteral Christian’s” they aren’t religious but thy have Christian foundations no different than all other Western Europeans. America is Agnostic even Barrack Obama said “AMERICA IS A POST CHRISTIAN NATION” it’s not Christian take this que and fuck off

So ur claim is to say brazil and usa arent truly religious. Im sure u can see how stupid that sounds. But aight ill leave it like that.

 

[Orc]

Is your primary argument against the existence of God rooted in the absence of empirical evidence?

I don't have to make arguments against god, the people who support religion have to make arguments in favor of it.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Is your primary argument against the existence of God rooted in the absence of empirical evidence?

precisely that’s why he’s a fucking imbecile not worthy of anybody’s time

 

[khann]

I don't have to make arguments against god, the people who support religion have to make arguments in favor of it.

While I recognize the principle of the burden of proof, I would argue that it is inapplicable in this instance. The proposition of God's nonexistence also demands substantiation, as negating a claim without offering a reasoned basis risks intellectual complacency.

Do you believe it is philosophically tenable to conceive of a reality in which contingent entities exist within an infinitely regressive chain of dependencies, each relying on another without a self-sufficient terminus?

For Example: Is it possible to have a library where every book explains its content by referring to another book, and this referencing continues without ever reaching an original book that explains itself. Each book’s meaning depends on another, forming an endless chain of dependency.

 

[Orc]

While I recognize the principle of the burden of proof, I would argue that it is inapplicable in this instance. The proposition of God's nonexistence also demands substantiation, as negating a claim without offering a reasoned basis risks intellectual complacency.

this is fundamentally wrong.

before evidence is provided, the argument of a god does not need to be considered, you do not need an alternative, and I do not have to explain how anything came into being instead, this is irrelevant.

I will not listen to any religious arguments before they provide evidence their god exists, and this evidence needs to be verifiable, physical and replicable.

Do you believe it is philosophically tenable to conceive of a reality in which contingent entities exist within an infinitely regressive chain of dependencies, each relying on another without a self-sufficient terminus?

if there's no physical evidence, then it does not exist, because there's no evidence of the non physical.

For Example: Is it possible to have a library where every book explains its content by referring to another book, and this referencing continues without ever reaching an original book that explains itself. Each book’s meaning depends on another, forming an endless chain of dependency.

an example of this would be the old testament which the bible is based on, it refers to multiple books that do not exist, and we cannot verify it's legitimacy.

 

[khann]

precisely that’s why he’s a fucking imbecile not worthy of anybody’s time

If he seeks empirical evidence for the existence of God, it becomes an inherently impossible, as empirical evidence relies on observation or measurement within the physical universe. By definition, God is often conceived as transcendent, existing beyond the confines of time, space, and the material realm, making direct empirical verification unattainable. However, the existence of God can be argued through indirect evidence, such as philosophical reasoning, the fine-tuning of the universe, or the existence of moral and metaphysical truths, this is without using the holy texts.

 

[Orc]

However, the existence of God can be argued through indirect evidence, such as philosophical reasoning, the fine-tuning of the universe, or the existence of moral and metaphysical truths, this is without using the holy texts.

this is an insanely bad argument that's essentially just 'we can't explain it so god did it'

 

[aber]

there is no evidence for non physical beings.

and there is no evidence there is anything outside of space and time.

if you cannot provide evidence of either, then the claim doesn't need to be considered, everything that follows up from it also doesn't need to be considered.

atheists don't exist, because that gives merit to a claim that has none.

And yet there is no evidence for the latter, which is nonphysical/planes of existence outside of our reality not existing.

While the burden of proof is on the believer. This is purely based on faith. If you can’t disprove it, or necessarily prove it either. Religion still has its place. As it’s mostly based on faith anyways.

You can say I can’t provide evidence all day, but during that same day you cannot provide evidence against the claims of theism.

 

[aber]

We vowed in the 6th council TO ADD NO MORE CHANGES TO THE CREED AND RC ADDED ANOTHER CHANGE THIS ALONE THROWS YOUR CHURCH OUT FROM BEING THE ORIGINAL CHRUCH. Your now on the same level as Oriental Orthodox and Nestorians which your church now accepts in the 3rd council

Yes your cringe Chruch now accepts legitimate heretics which have been anathematised for over 1.8k years as part of the Roman Chruch now despite them denying Christ’s one person’s. I mean what won’t you Roman ecumenical church if satan accept?

How can you guys go from hating on the nestorians to now saying “The council of Ephesus was misunderstood and in reality nestorius was a Christian”

FUCKING REDICULOUS. And you guys cry when the Eastern Orthodox say your sacraments are Invalid, ofc they are when you allow outright heresies into your church like church if the east and Assyrian Chruch.



Early Councils Did Not Recognize Roman Supremacy

The ecumenical councils of the early Church operated on a basis of mutual agreement among bishops, with no indication that the Bishop of Rome had infallible authority:

• The Council of Nicaea (325
Presided over by Emperor Constantine, not the Bishop of Rome.

The council’s canons affirm the primacy of the major sees (Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and later Constantinople), but this primacy is understood as a matter of honor, not jurisdictional supremacy.

Canon 6 explicitly states that the Bishop of Alexandria has authority over his region, just as the Bishop of Rome has over his, reflecting a regional, not universal, model of governance.

The Council of Chalcedon (451 AD):

Canon 28 granted the Patriarch of Constantinople equal privileges to Rome, “because it is the new Rome.” This canon was resisted by Rome but was accepted by the Eastern bishops, indicating that the idea of Roman supremacy was not universally accepted.

And INB4 MUH PETERS CEEE

Scripture Does Not Support Papal Supremacy

While Roman Catholicism cites Matthew 16:18–19 (“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church”) as evidence for papal primacy, the early Church Fathers interpreted this passage in various ways:

• Augustine of Hippo:
Interpreted the “rock” as Christ or Peter’s confession of faith, not Peter himself.
“The rock was Christ, upon which foundation Peter himself also was built.” (Retractationes, Book 1, Chapter 21).


• Cyprian of Carthage:
Saw all bishops as successors of Peter, not just the Bishop of Rome.



AND NAIL IN THE COFFIN
Key Statement by Pope Gregory I

In a letter to John the Faster, the Patriarch of Constantinople, who had adopted the title “Ecumenical (Universal) Patriarch,” Pope Gregory condemned the use of such a title:
“Whoever calls himself universal bishop, or desires to be so called, is in his pride a forerunner of Antichrist.”
(Epistles, Book VII, Letter 33).

DO YOUR CHURCH HAS DEFECTED, CHANGED ADDED STUPID NEW FALSE DOCTRINES GONE AGAISNT THE COUNCILS AND NOW IS REINTERPRETING THE COUNCILS TO ALLOW NESTORIANS INTO RC FOR ECCUMENISM.

Oh and btw the EASTERN orthodox Alexandrian patriarchate is also a Cee of Peter yes so you can’t use this CEE OF PETERRRRRR shit on us because we already have our own Petrian Cee

Based ChatGPT my nigga

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

If he seeks empirical evidence for the existence of God, it becomes an inherently impossible, as empirical evidence relies on observation or measurement within the physical universe. By definition, God is often conceived as transcendent, existing beyond the confines of time, space, and the material realm, making direct empirical verification unattainable. However, the existence of God can be argued through indirect evidence, such as philosophical reasoning, the fine-tuning of the universe, or the existence of moral and metaphysical truths, this is without using the holy texts.

Dude your preaching to the Quior here he’s the idiot you need to tell this to which I have been doing but he’s a retard so no point his brain doesn’t work he has a brain tumor so his IQ is too low

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Based ChatGPT my nigga

Tbh I have most of this saved in my files that I pull out irl with RCs but speaking is less effort than typic so I just copy paste into it ahahaha

So ur claim is to say brazil and usa arent truly religious. Im sure u can see how stupid that sounds. But aight ill leave it like that.

Brazilians I have met aren’t that religious and even if so do you honestly think the avg “christian” follows their religious doctrines properly? This is Brazil after all the place full of trannies, and sexual immorality. Where in Christianity is any of this shit allowed? I mean you keep shifting goal posts but point is morality is subjective in your worldview and thus you can’t cry that your ancestors were slaves just accept it happened and your ancestors slave master wasn’t a bad man he just had slaves because he thought slavery was ok cos SOYcieith said so never complain about slavery

USA is agnostic, only retards like you think the USA is Christian absolute fucking brainlet retard you are lol. Like I can entertain braziakians being relgious but Americans? Are you a fucking retard, sure by western standards Americans are the most religious but that’s when compared to Western Europeans and other CANZUK nations but compared to any nation outside of those shitholes America may as well be an atheist haven.

 

[aber]

Tbh I have most of this saved in my files that I pull out irl with RCs but speaking is less effort than typic so I just copy paste into it ahahaha


Brazilians I have met aren’t that religious and even if so do you honestly think the avg “christian” follows their religious doctrines properly? This is Brazil after all the place full of trannies, and sexual immorality. Where in Christianity is any of this shit allowed?

USA is agnostic, only retards like you think the USA is Christian absolute fucking brainlet retard you are lol. Like I can entertain braziakians being relgious but Americans? Are you a fucking retard, sure by western standards Americans are the most religious but that’s when compared to Western Europeans and other CANZUK nations but compared to any nation outside of those shitholes America may as well be an atheist haven.

I concede and now know I need to study church history extensively

 

[Orc]

And yet there is no evidence for the latter, which is nonphysical/planes of existence outside of our reality not existing.

if there's no evidence for it, then for all intents and purposes, by occams razor, that is because it's not there.

While the burden of proof is on the believer. This is purely based on faith. If you can’t disprove it, or necessarily prove it either. Religion still has its place. As it’s mostly based on faith anyways.

it's place is as an indoctrination tool for dumb people to keep them under control, it has never had a positive impact, and will never have one either, any happiness an individual might experience because of their faith is offset by the millions of displacements and victims it has had.

You can say I can’t provide evidence all day, but during that same day you cannot provide evidence against the claims of theism.

I do not need to provide evidence against it, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

if there's no evidence for it, then for all intents and purposes, by occams razor, that is because it's not there.

it's place is as an indoctrination tool for dumb people to keep them under control, it has never had a positive impact, and will never have one either, any happiness an individual might experience because of their faith is offset by the millions of displacements and victims it has had.

I do not need to provide evidence against it, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

“It’s never had any positive impact” says you that’s your own opinion once again asserting your own retard GAYtheist beliefs. Wow me and you would fight irl if we met we’d never be buddies ahahah I hate dumb people and your stupid as a pile of rocks

Nothing Occam’s razor about it. At most you could argue religious people rely on Pascal’s wager which many do I admit but that’s not a good reason either

Stop shifting the burden of proof. You even making such statements implies you yourself believe your own metaphysical framework to be true (materialism) therefore you have to PROVE TO ME AND @aber WE WE OUGHT TO BELIEVE YOUR NONSENSE.


DO NOT REPLY TO ME I WONT REPLY BACK I JUST SENT THIS MESSAGE TO HELP HIM DEFEND HIMSELF FROM YOUR BRAINLET ASS.

 

[aber]

if there's no evidence for it, then for all intents and purposes, by occams razor, that is because it's not there.

it's place is as an indoctrination tool for dumb people to keep them under control, it has never had a positive impact, and will never have one either, any happiness an individual might experience because of their faith is offset by the millions of displacements and victims it has had.

I do not need to provide evidence against it, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

being the constant negative in these scenarios, never given the burden of showing proof is rather convenient considering you’re consistently asking for physical, repeatable evidence of what is logically absurd and a mystery.

 

[Orc]

Stop shifting the burden of proof.

never shifted it, it's been on you since the beginning.

You even making such statements implies you yourself believe your own metaphysical framework to be true (materialism) therefore you have to PROVE TO ME AND @aber WE WE OUGHT TO BELIEVE YOUR NONSENSE.

there's no evidence of anything non physical so I don't have to prove that the universe is purely physical.

you would have to prove that there's anything beyond physical which you haven't.

DO NOT REPLY TO ME I WONT REPLY BACK I JUST SENT THIS MESSAGE TO HELP HIM DEFEND HIMSELF FROM YOUR BRAINLET ASS.

dnr

 

[Orc]

being the constant negative in these scenarios, never given the burden of showing proof is rather convenient considering you’re consistently asking for physical, repeatable evidence of what is logically absurd and a mystery.

if you make outrageous claims you have to provide outrageous amounts of evidence for those claims.

someone disagreeing with your world view that's based on nothing doesn't require evidence, it's just a dismissal of the unsubstantiated claims you've made.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

never shifted it, it's been on you since the beginning.

there's no evidence of anything non physical so I don't have to prove that the universe is purely physical.

you would have to prove that there's anything beyond physical which you haven't.

dnr

Prove your fucking episodic justification FOR YOUR MATERIALIST PARADIGM IM WAITING YOU STUPID BITCH

 

[aber]

people who've been abused as children end up being severely impaired as adults, children are also incapable of making critical choices because their brain isn't fully developed.

these are physical, tangible characteristics as to why it's wrong and doesn't require the guidance of a magical sky wizard whose priests abuse children.

Can we get the stats and ratios on catholic priests to assault cases and say, school teachers and assault cases?

This strawmanning of catholic priests is getting sad

 

[Orc]

Prove your fucking episodic justification FOR YOUR MATERIALIST PARADIGM IM WAITING YOU STUPID BITCH

I do not have to because there's no evidence of the non physical.

the physical state of reality is what we observe.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Can we get the stats and ratios on catholic priests to assault cases and say, school teachers and assault cases?

This strawmanning of catholic priests is getting sad

It doesn’t matter. He can’t even tell you why raping kids is “wrong” as his paradigm has no objective morality/ethics. So him saying Catholic priests rape kids is just him stating an event but it doesn’t neccicate an negative connotation


Don’t give into their stupid goading. You have to question the faggot in his epistemology. Where is he getting the idea of “rape being bad” from? “Why is it bad”? Why makes it objectively bad and why ought I not do it?

He can’t answer these things as a GAYthiest

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I do not have to because there's no evidence of the non physical.

the physical state of reality is what we observe.

I showed you evidence, now I’m asking you to provide me

I do not have to because there's no evidence of the non physical.

the physical state of reality is what we observe.

but yet your response your position asserts an materialistic framework with 0 justification. How do you even know if everything you experience is real? It could all be mental phantasms we could literally know nothing and you can’t fucking argue against this

Simply saying all evidence requires a materialistic framework is a positive claim not a neutral one retard. Such a positive claim requires an justiefication, I justify mine with god what can you justly yours with, idiot.

And no simply dismissing absence of evidence won’t cut it as absences of evidence isn’t evidence of absence and thus you have yet to establish and explain why materialism is the ONLY VALID PARADIGM. Show me your sensory experiences your empirical observations can account for all of reality until then YOU HAVE LOST THIS DEBATE GET RKT

Stop going in circles COWARD