Cause he got butthurt, he mentioned it as "missinformation" first, even tho hes argument was retarded
Yeah genuienly, it's just funny asf that hes feelings got that much hurt that he just goes straight ahead and deletes it.
It sure as shit is
Cause he got butthurt, he mentioned it as "missinformation" first, even tho hes argument was retarded
I asked you to back up your claims three time.
looksmax.org
Alright let's break down your claim
“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”Alright let's break down your claim
I read that study, and all it says is that PCT isin't clinically proven.
Which is a retarded argument btw, it's basicly the same as saying SARMs are ass cuz ur not supposed to take them
Right. So now eveyone that views this thead will see you are retarded. Great deployment of the scientific method. The anecdotes don’t mean anything at all considering they would’ve recovered faster without doing a PCT most likely based on the data we have. I didn’t say they won’t recover, I told you multiple times. They recover slower.
What do u think about eating shit for looksmax
So enlighten me, your saying that all of the anecdotal records are just made up?
Yes, so it means that it's just not "clinically" proven.
It looked like it was deleted before, ig it's not
I don’t think you even read the study, just read the conclusion. It had 0 positive effect what so ever, if not entirely NEGATIVE. So yes, it’s not clinically proven to anything beneficial. So what justification do you have for using it?
Are you trying to tell me anecdotes > clinical trials JFL? Can’t make this shit up. Play this out. Say I take PCT, I recover. Is this an anecdote for the use of PCT? Who’s to say I wouldn’t have recovered faster without it? How would you know?
Based on no scientific literature or any valid anecdotes (which are completely useless anyway). I asked you to back up your claims with literature, as I knew already, you have nothing whatsoever to back up your claim that PCT has a POSTIVE outcome. No benefit or entirely negative is what the current data say. Go read it. So to claim that PCT is beneficial is based on nothing.
Dont worry bhai, your not alone.
Have you recovered without PCT?
What's my justification, well let's say you do 1 cycle of LGD - 1mg of it suppresses you for around 70%. - i'm personally not risking my natural T nor my health.
No, i'm telling u that those anecdotes doesn't exist for no reason.
Of course I have. I’ve also recovered with PCT before when I was a complete fucking moron. Let’s say I wrote a muh reddit post saying “I recovered with PCT”, which is what your “anecdotes” did. Doesn’t prove anything at all.
Absolutely. HCG on cycle.
Yes they do. Tell me what good is anecdote that someone recovered using PCT? How do you know they wouldn’t recover faster without it, like the data indicates? Because PCT stands for “post cycle therapy”? Is that the only proof you have? Because there sure as hell isn’t any literature backing you up.
So you take something called “post cycle therapy “ because it has a nice name? Instead of looking at literature and seeing your recover slower?
Yes you are living in a corrupt forum. With people (frauds) making supposedly informative threads to inform users on certain topics, but instead making threads based on absolutely no literature or data whatsoever. Not even valid anecdotes (which are also useless since they don’t mean shit, clinical trials > anecdotes). Do you think that’s fair to the user base?
looksmax.org
Yeah u have a point here surely, not discrediting that.
Also i'm intrested that how long did the recovery take on each time - and the test after recovery?
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Really living in your head rent free, huh?
This has been water for a loong time my nigga, you can't respectfully debate without getting bashed by someone with a fragile ego.
I’ve abruptly stopped gear like 3 separate times. Cold turkeyed everything besides HCG for a week or two, then dropped HCG entirely. Test was always 600ng/dl+ a fortnight/month later. The one time I used PCT my levels weren’t nearly as high after the same time frame.
You are one one who made this bullshit thread bud. I’m only here cos I was tagged, not out choice or because you are “rent free”.
Right lol
I caged. Did you even read it? Fucking laughable study.OR25-03 Self-administration Of Post-cycle Therapy Is Associated With Increased Probability Of Subsequent Normalisation Of Reproductive Hormones Following Anabolic-androgenic Steroid Cessation In Men - PMC
Disclosure: B. Grant: None. J. Campbell: None. A. Pradeep: None. A.D. Burns: None. P. Bassett: None. P. Saket: None. S. Minhas: None. W.S. Dhillo: None. J. McVeigh: None. S. Bhasin: None. C.N. Jayasena: Grant Recipient; Self; Logixx Pharma Ltd. ...
indeed, i wanted to clear the things since i left them "not cleared" the last time.
Doesn't mean it should be discredited.
Yes, i did read it. Now how is it laughable?
It recovered slowermaybe fertility was higher on PCT
Yes. Yes it does.
Ik you're against SARMS and probably enclo as well, but can enclo actually prevent you from being fully supressed and help recover normal test production faster after quitting SARMS?
That was my take as well.
Well the study @chadisbeingmade is referring to is after androgenics,
“PCT use was reported by 76% of men.” JFL. If you can’t tell me what’s wrong with that then we got a problem. It completely invalidates the whole thing off the rip.
There is no evidence whatsoever to show that PCT helps recover faster. Only evidence shows the opposite.
Enclo is complete jester. HCG.
Fair enough,
If you want it deleted, you can have it deleted. Just let me know.
Yeah for sure, i would like it to be deleted.
I understand that, but do you actually need to recover if you manage to avoid shutdown? There are people with normal test levels on SARMs + enclo. This wouldn't work with more potent or aromatizing substances, I get that.
You can't really avoid it on most of the SARMs as far as i know - maybe with like AC-262 and ACP-105 you would have lower chances of getting your test shutdown.
You aren’t getting fully shut down on SARMs or at least very unlikely, but you aren’t going to avoid suppression.
No idea who that is.
I'm just on the last couple of days of a rad cycle I started before reading peoples opinion on the compound here.
Some guy who's saying the same about PCT.
Nah, it’s resolved
you did not stand on 10 toes
