Coaching someone

[Hahha]

So im coaching this guy and hes going to start his first cycle (technically not a cycle just a massive blast) hes 22 but hes a very latebloomer and has been growing like 0.5cm a month but his goal isnt height growth its just masculinisation framegrowth etc well anyways heres the cycle

150mg test e (keeping the test low cs we already have tren and i dont want him to aromatise alot cause using an ai is retarded)
300mg tren e (main androgen)
50mcg t3 (cause of the hgh and losing a bit more fat)
12iu hgh
30mg halotestin (the halo is only for 4 weeks and is a kickstarter)
Cycle length 5-7 months

He will only run one massive blast then either trt or do a big pct im going to get him to bulk up very hard on this

Starting stats hes 5’11 ltn 65kg i want him to be 5’11-6ft (might grow hes a latebloomer) 85-90kg atleast htn by the end of cycle he doesnt go gym so hes just going to not train but hes lean and the tren + hgh + t3 should keep him very lean even on a big bulk

 

[BR32]

Why are you using halo

halo should only be used in a bodybuilding competition context or strength competition

halo for 4 week is crazy

I would just do test by itself for his first cycle

then test and eq after that

 

[Hahha]

Why are you using halo

halo should only be used in a bodybuilding competition context or strength competition

halo for 4 week is crazy

I would just do test by itself for his first cycle

then test and eq after that

He doesnt give a shit ab sides and the halo for 4 weeks is pretty standard also its being used because its a extreme androgen so it would help him with his goals

 

[Hahha]

Why are you using halo

halo should only be used in a bodybuilding competition context or strength competition

halo for 4 week is crazy

I would just do test by itself for his first cycle

then test and eq after that

Test and eq wont do shit for masculinisation eq is a very weak androgen only good for a lean bulk long cycle for muscle but his goals arent muscle

 

[BR32]

He doesnt give a shit ab sides and the halo for 4 weeks is pretty standard also its being used because its a extreme androgen so it would help him with his goals

its his first cycle its stupid as fuck

he should see how it responds to testosterone alone before throwing in more anabolics

 

[BR32]

Test and eq wont do shit for masculinisation eq is a very weak androgen only good for a lean bulk long cycle for muscle but his goals arent muscle

he needs to be patient

tren is fine but use it responsibly and not on a first cycle

 

[Hahha]

its his first cycle its stupid as fuck

he should see how it responds to testosterone alone before throwing in more anabolics

Yeah i get what you mean but he doesnt plan on running multiple cycles he just wants do dive into the deep end

 

[BR32]

Yeah i get what you mean but he doesnt plan on running multiple cycles he just wants do dive into the deep end

even masculinization of soft tissue takes some time

you gotta tell this guy to chill out his goals aren't realistic

 

[Hahha]

even masculinization of soft tissue takes some time

you gotta tell this guy to chill out his goals aren't realistic

I think 300 tren 12iu gh for 5-7months will definitely cause some bone growth

 

[BR32]

I think 300 tren 12iu gh for 5-7months will definitely cause some bone growth

it could but 22 is late tho

its likely hes not a late bloomer and that he just had shitty puberty

id drop the orals

 

[Hahha]

it could but 22 is late tho

its likely hes not a late bloomer and that he just had shitty puberty

id drop the orals

No need to drop the orals 4 weeks of exposure wont cause that much liver enzyme elevation the pros outweigh the negatives and also you can get bonegrowth in the face even in late 20s cause the sutures never fully close and since they all have androgen receptors it would cause alot of bonegrowth thats why even female bodybuilders in late 30s who took peds develop hypermasculine features

 

[BR32]

No need to drop the orals 4 weeks of exposure wont cause that much liver enzyme elevation the pros outweigh the negatives and also you can get bonegrowth in the face even in late 20s cause the sutures never fully close and since they all have androgen receptors it would cause alot of bonegrowth thats why even female bodybuilders in late 30s who took peds develop hypermasculine features

the only reason I said drop the orals is cause its better to gauge gear response on injectables than orals

why not add in halo at the end of the cycle

he's 22 so I don't see why were in a rush here, like you said masculinization is possible for a long time

 

[Hahha]

the only reason I said drop the orals is cause its better to gauge gear response on injectables than orals

why not add in halo at the end of the cycle

he's 22 so I don't see why were in a rush here, like you said masculinization is possible for a long time

enanthate is a long ester thats why adding halo at the start can help while the androgens rise in your blood and since enanthate takes 4-6 weeks to fully saturate by the time halo is finished tren and test will be fully active taking it at the end provides 0 benefit

 

[BR32]

enanthate is a long ester thats why adding halo at the start can help while the androgens rise in your blood and since enanthate takes 4-6 weeks to fully saturate by the time halo is finished tren and test will be fully active taking it at the end provides 0 benefit

I guess so bro but it just seems unnecessary to me

orals in general seem uncesssary out side of competition contexts but if he wants to do this go for it

bro will look sick for those 4 weeks

also why not push the test a little higher?

 

[Hahha]

I guess so bro but it just seems unnecessary to me

orals in general seem uncesssary out side of competition contexts but if he wants to do this go for it

bro will look sick for those 4 weeks

also why not push the test a little higher?

Theres no need in having test higher because if its too high he will aromatise alot and get high e2 so he would need an ai and running an ai during development is very risky (yes ik tren does the same) so keeping the test low provides more benefit as having high test in this cycle wouldnt give any better result just more e2 and dht which is not needed

 

[BR32]

Theres no need in having test higher because if its too high he will aromatise alot and get high e2 so he would need an ai and running an ai during development is very risky (yes ik tren does the same) so keeping the test low provides more benefit as having high test in this cycle wouldnt give any better result just more e2 and dht which is not needed

You wouldn't need an AI pinning test daily, could push up to 300 if you want.

Tren doesn't aromatize so bro is chilling there.

Higher T could help cause its neurprotective and tren isn't

I take a different approach to anabolic than this guy so I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong.

I got lucky w good male dimo so I'm focused on tissue accrual which is why I just run test an eq long term

 

[Hahha]

You wouldn't need an AI pinning test daily, could push up to 300 if you want.

Tren doesn't aromatize so bro is chilling there.

Higher T could help cause its neurprotective and tren isn't

I take a different approach to anabolic than this guy so I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong.

I got lucky w good male dimo so I'm focused on tissue accrual which is why I just run test an eq long term

Some guys aromatise alot with 300 test and i dont see higher test providing any benefit other then the neuroprotectiveness but thats just from the e2 conversion so literally no benefit but i wouldnt run this cycle me personally id go with some test mast maybe a light oral like anavar and hgh but this guy didnt mind jumping into the deep end

 

[remusss]

we know who he is bro why u lying

 

[Hahha]

we know who he is bro why u lying

Huh?