COMING OFF LETROZOLE + what's next?

[Iblamegirthquake]

Why im hopping off letro
So im feeling like shit, i was waiting for the phase of really feeling like shit to pass, as my pth axis naturally produced more test to bring me e2 back up, and hopefully feel better then before, but it hasnt happened. It sorta did, from week 3.5 to the end of week 5, i definitely felt better then between weeks 1.5 and 3 (those were some tough times). So my e2 for sure went up, but it never went up enough to how it was before i started letrozole, my libido was up (stronge urge to jack off oed, only did it like once or twice a week) But compared to my libido before (stronge urge to jack off daily, did like twice a week to eod). The biggest issue was my mood, i just never felt good, i mean sometimes of course but not like before. And throughout all this, i didnt really notice and higher tests effects or symptoms, no extra mass, no extra drive, not any leaner then i would have been without letro. So obviously the decision was to hop off letro.

So whats next?
Well, currently im still tapering off letro (Dont want e2 to spike) , ill be done by sunday. However i do have plans, and i know im gonna get alot of shit for this,
ENCLO
"Muhhh pin testttt" "But muhhh sarms bad" "but saar your liver"
Well unfortunately actually running exogenous testosterone isnt really on the cards with the nosy ass parents i have, and also it is a crazy commitment for me right now, one that i cant undertake. Dont get me wrong, if i could run test, i would, it is literally all i want in this world, even if i had to pin with a fucking sewing needle bro. I dont think ENCLO is that bad, of course when you compare it with actual test, its gonna be dog shit, but i will just be using it to avoid suppression from other mild anabolics, i wanna get stronger. If i were to take just enclo, of course its not gonna do much, its enclo, it will never raise your test levels to a point that it gives supraphysiological effects, but as a pseudo test base, it works to avoid suppression. Also, I'm not too worried about the health effects from the enclo, only thing i could be worried about is liver ezymes and lipids, but those really arent hard to fix, if i was taking a shit load of like fucking rad140 and var, then yeah my liver is gonna be literal goop, but just adding liver support and fish oils will fix the issues you would see with just enclo, and honestly any milder, Anyways what else am i gonna take with this enclo? VAR, this is just for the actual strength building part of the cycle, and yes, its not great for your liver, but im only taking it for 8 weeks, and as long as im on top of my ancillaries i should be fine. Im also adding 10mg aromasin daily, if i feel any high e sides. Theres one more thing im adding to this stack, this one im gonna get the most shit for, and i really need to mention in advance, ITS ONLY FOR SLEEP, mk-677, i know i know, absolute dogshit for any actual gh gains, but i dont care about that, im not expecting anything like that, i just want the better sleep and recovery.

So heres the final stack
FINAL STACK:
12.5mg Enclo daily
5-10mg aromasin (either for the whole cycle or added if needed)
10mg VAR daily
10mg MK daily (ONLY FOR SLEEP, taken before bed to avoid hunger)
NAC Daily
TUDCA Daily
Fish oil daily

Please give me advice on dosing or timing or anything.

Much love

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

bump

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

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[Iblamegirthquake]

Bump again again again

 

[infrainfra]

Why im hopping off letro
So im feeling like shit, i was waiting for the phase of really feeling like shit to pass, as my pth axis naturally produced more test to bring me e2 back up, and hopefully feel better then before, but it hasnt happened. It sorta did, from week 3.5 to the end of week 5, i definitely felt better then between weeks 1.5 and 3 (those were some tough times). So my e2 for sure went up, but it never went up enough to how it was before i started letrozole, my libido was up (stronge urge to jack off oed, only did it like once or twice a week) But compared to my libido before (stronge urge to jack off daily, did like twice a week to eod). The biggest issue was my mood, i just never felt good, i mean sometimes of course but not like before. And throughout all this, i didnt really notice and higher tests effects or symptoms, no extra mass, no extra drive, not any leaner then i would have been without letro. So obviously the decision was to hop off letro.

So whats next?
Well, currently im still tapering off letro (Dont want e2 to spike) , ill be done by sunday. However i do have plans, and i know im gonna get alot of shit for this,
ENCLO
"Muhhh pin testttt" "But muhhh sarms bad" "but saar your liver"
Well unfortunately actually running exogenous testosterone isnt really on the cards with the nosy ass parents i have, and also it is a crazy commitment for me right now, one that i cant undertake. Dont get me wrong, if i could run test, i would, it is literally all i want in this world, even if i had to pin with a fucking sewing needle bro. I dont think ENCLO is that bad, of course when you compare it with actual test, its gonna be dog shit, but i will just be using it to avoid suppression from other mild anabolics, i wanna get stronger. If i were to take just enclo, of course its not gonna do much, its enclo, it will never raise your test levels to a point that it gives supraphysiological effects, but as a pseudo test base, it works to avoid suppression. Also, I'm not too worried about the health effects from the enclo, only thing i could be worried about is liver ezymes and lipids, but those really arent hard to fix, if i was taking a shit load of like fucking rad140 and var, then yeah my liver is gonna be literal goop, but just adding liver support and fish oils will fix the issues you would see with just enclo, and honestly any milder, Anyways what else am i gonna take with this enclo? VAR, this is just for the actual strength building part of the cycle, and yes, its not great for your liver, but im only taking it for 8 weeks, and as long as im on top of my ancillaries i should be fine. Im also adding 10mg aromasin daily, if i feel any high e sides. Theres one more thing im adding to this stack, this one im gonna get the most shit for, and i really need to mention in advance, ITS ONLY FOR SLEEP, mk-677, i know i know, absolute dogshit for any actual gh gains, but i dont care about that, im not expecting anything like that, i just want the better sleep and recovery.

So heres the final stack
FINAL STACK:
12.5mg Enclo daily
5-10mg aromasin (either for the whole cycle or added if needed)
10mg VAR daily
10mg MK daily (ONLY FOR SLEEP, taken before bed to avoid hunger)
NAC Daily
TUDCA Daily
Fish oil daily

Please give me advice on dosing or timing or anything.

Much love

if your goal is height dont hop off letro.

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

if your goal is height dont hop off letro.

Dude i dont think nuking my e2 rn is gonna help, im not on any gh, ill take it again when im towards the end of being 16.

 

[infrainfra]

Dude i dont think nuking my e2 rn is gonna help, im not on any gh, ill take it again when im towards the end of being 16.

dude what? estrogen is the main reason of growth plate closure. nuke that bitch. studies on kids taking JUST letro show increases in FAH

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

dude what? estrogen is the main reason of growth plate closure. nuke that bitch. studies on kids taking JUST letro show increases in FAH

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31024444/ You gotta pair it with gh boyo

 

[infrainfra]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31024444/ You gotta pair it with gh boyo

okay thats 1 study lol. other studies show + 5.9cm in fah. theres a reason men with aromatase deficiency grow tall late in their 20s

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

okay thats 1 study lol. other studies show + 5.9cm in fah. theres a reason men with aromatase deficiency grow tall late in their 20s

Send the study bro

 

[infrainfra]

Send the study bro

bro theres multiple just enter pubmed. estrogen is literally the main reason of growtg plate closure.

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

bro theres multiple just enter pubmed. estrogen is literally the main reason of growtg plate closure.

Nah i wanna see these specific numbers you stated. The "+ 5.9cm in fah" you were talking about.

 

[infrainfra]

Nah i wanna see these specific numbers you stated. The "+ 5.9cm in fah" you were talking about.

Inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis with a potent aromatase inhibitor increases predicted adult height in boys with idiopathic short stature: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

Treatment with the aromatase inhibitor Lz delays bone maturation and improves PAH in boys with ISS. No adverse effects on bone mineralization were evident after 2 yr of treatment.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

here
plus no significant sides on2.5 a DAY.
thats what im going to be running + fulve

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

Inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis with a potent aromatase inhibitor increases predicted adult height in boys with idiopathic short stature: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

Treatment with the aromatase inhibitor Lz delays bone maturation and improves PAH in boys with ISS. No adverse effects on bone mineralization were evident after 2 yr of treatment.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

here
plus no significant sides on2.5 a DAY.
thats what im going to be running + fulve

Hey buddy, PAH (predicted adult height) Is calculated off of the current height, parents height, and bone age. In the study, the bone age barely went up, so if you have a 14 year old bone age at 16, your PAH is gonna be higher than if you have a 14 year old bone age at 14, even if your the same height. Im sure the boys grew but not significantly more then without the letro. Theres usually a reason when 2 identical studies show wildly different results. Medical studies dont just change out of thin air.

 

[infrainfra]

Hey buddy, PAH (predicted adult height) Is calculated off of the current height, parents height, and bone age. In the study, the bone age barely went up, so if you have a 14 year old bone age at 16, your PAH is gonna be higher than if you have a 14 year old bone age at 14, even if your the same height. Im sure the boys grew but not significantly more then without the letro. Theres usually a reason when 2 identical studies show wildly different results. Medical studies dont just change out of thin air.

hey so why do men with aromatase deficiency. or even castrati boys grow tall well into their 20s? estrogen is the main reason of plate closure. inhibit = longer time for growth. ofc pairing with other compounds is better but ai alone significantly increases height. and just because predicted adult height is not always accurate these kids still grow way taller than their dads.

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

hey so why do men with aromatase deficiency. or even castrati boys grow tall well into their 20s? estrogen is the main reason of plate closure. inhibit = longer time for growth. ofc pairing with other compounds is better but ai alone significantly increases height. and just because predicted adult height is not always accurate these kids still grow way taller than their dads.

Unbacked up blanket statements + general fact + another unbacked up blanket statement. Could i get any links bro?

 

[Iblamegirthquake]

hey so why do men with aromatase deficiency. or even castrati boys grow tall well into their 20s? estrogen is the main reason of plate closure. inhibit = longer time for growth. ofc pairing with other compounds is better but ai alone significantly increases height. and just because predicted adult height is not always accurate these kids still grow way taller than their dads.

Also having low e2 from the moment your born is not the same as randomly nuking the fuck out of your e2 when your 15.

 

[infrainfra]

Also having low e2 from the moment your born is not the same as randomly nuking the fuck out of your e2 when your 15.

yeah duh? but nuking e2 and pairing with a serd like fulvestrant will significantly increase the time in which you can grow.