Complete Evisceration of IQ cope. IQ COPERS WON'T TOUCH THIS


Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
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There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
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data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

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Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
Ishowspeed trying not to laugh

Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.


"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
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The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
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We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



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Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE
 
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i think it relates to me using the app. i went on incognito to read this thread and it all worked. so people using the website should be able to see it but it's over for looksmax app users like me:feelscry:

sometimes I also ask my iq coper friends "would you rather be 90iq in a country like Sweden or 170iq in some third world shithole" and they always say "the third world country broooo I can use my genius to get famous and rich :soy::soy:"

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sometimes I also ask my iq coper friends "would you rather be 90iq in a country like Sweden or 170iq in some third world shithole" and they always say "the third would country broooo I can use my genius to get famous and rich :soy::soy:"

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But tbh intelligence (ik you said iq but Im guessing youre using them like semi interchangeably and when people talk about iqpill they mean intelligencepill) is extremely important.
Richest guy ik (worth like 20B) put all his sons through extensive education and maximise their intelligence etc etc - when you reach a certain amount of wealth other factors like intelligence for the sake of it become valuable.
 
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Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
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most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
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data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

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Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
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Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.

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"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
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The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
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We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
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most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
View attachment 4337563
data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

View attachment 4339282
Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
View attachment 4339334

Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.

View attachment 4339359
"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
View attachment 4339697
In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
View attachment 4340029

The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
View attachment 4340286
We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
View attachment 4340326
You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

View attachment 4340331
Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

View attachment 4340360
I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
View attachment 4340366
IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE


Dnr fully but..

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I've always said that IQ is cope. High IQ niggas think they're Charles Xavier or sumshit. Allat IQ just to get life mogged be retarded NT ethnics :feelsrope:
 
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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
View attachment 4337249
most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
View attachment 4337563
data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
View attachment 4339281
Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

View attachment 4339282
Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
View attachment 4339334

Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.

View attachment 4339359
"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
View attachment 4339697
In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
View attachment 4340029

The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
View attachment 4340286
We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE

People who put (high iq) like that in brackets on an thread are in the middle of the bell curve and want to project as a high iq user:lul:.
 
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Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
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most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
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data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

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Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
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Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.

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"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
View attachment 4339944
Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
View attachment 4340029

The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
View attachment 4340286
We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

View attachment 4340331
Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

View attachment 4340360
I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
View attachment 4340366
IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE

I liked the clip :lul:
 
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Gals never rejected niggers 4 low-IQ isness.
 
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People who put (high iq) like that in brackets on an thread are in the middle of the bell curve and want to project as a high iq user:lul:.
Ngl I put that alot, but only to attract people who are insecure about their IQ/cope with IQ for more views and engagement :lul:
Read every quark
But tbh intelligence (ik you said iq but Im guessing youre using them like semi interchangeably and when people talk about iqpill they mean intelligencepill) is extremely important.
Richest guy ik (worth like 20B) put all his sons through extensive education and maximise their intelligence etc etc - when you reach a certain amount of wealth other factors like intelligence for the sake of it become valuable.
To be honest, he isn't giving them IQ or intelligence, he is just giving them knowledge and teaching them experience

They will profit much more off their dad connections than any IQ inherited from their father
 
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Ngl I put that alot, but only to attract people who are insecure about their IQ/cope with IQ for more views and engagement :lul:
yeah high iq larpers😢 (like me :lul::lul::lul:)
 
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Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
View attachment 4337249
most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
View attachment 4337563
data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

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Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
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Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.

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"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
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The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
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We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE

DNR but yeah this is common sense, high IQ without EQ and SQ is useless, who gives a fuck if ur smart if u piss urself every time u talk to a woman, but high IQ WITH high EQ and SQ is an insane advantage in all aspects of life
 
DNR but yeah this is common sense, high IQ without EQ and SQ is useless, who gives a fuck if ur smart if u piss urself every time u talk to a woman, but high IQ WITH high EQ and SQ is an insane advantage in all aspects of life
I'm ngl if you DNR then don't respond
Yo bro I did not read your thread but let me tell you what I think of it bro!!
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Ngl I put that alot, but only to attract people who are insecure about their IQ/cope with IQ for more views and engagement :lul:

To be honest, he isn't giving them IQ or intelligence, he is just giving them knowledge and teaching them experience

They will profit much more off their dad connections than any IQ inherited from their father
yeah he's doing both
yes he will profit off these

When you have everything its more about maxxing out other small areas just to show that you can - they want to signal superiority in every aspect.

If anything - this is an auxiliary to the point of your thread.
 
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You know life isn't black and white. Combination of traits matters not a trait on its own. Best predictor of success is conscientiousness but it will get you jack shit if you ugly and autistic.
 
You know life isn't black and white. Combination of traits matters not a trait on its own. Best predictor of success is conscientiousness but it will get you jack shit if you ugly and autistic.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself
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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.

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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.

Didn't read the thread award
 
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You are right with NT vs ND but then IQ will allow for more income and then it can allow for more affective hardmaxxing
 
You are right with NT vs ND but then IQ will allow for more income and then it can allow for more affective hardmaxxing
This is the
"IQ is important because you need to have high IQ to looksmax"
and the
"IQ is important because high IQ gives you income"
cope which I debooonked on the thread, the fact you're bringing them up without also bringing up my points against them shows you didn't actually read it

If you didn't read my thread, don't give me your input, dog
 
Aint reading all that but yeah
 
This is the
"IQ is important because you need to have high IQ to looksmax"
and the
"IQ is important because high IQ gives you income"
cope which I debooonked on the thread, the fact you're bringing them up without also bringing up my points against them shows you didn't actually read it

If you didn't read my thread, don't give me your input, dog
You didn't debunk anything you subterranian and dnr


 
@TechnoBoss can you pin this for a week please
 

Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
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most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
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data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

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Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
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Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.

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"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
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The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
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We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE

Good thread, i agree with most of it,q but some parts i disagree with.
But then again im pretty stupid:feelstastyman:
And have no valid arguments :owo::owo:
 
Awesome thread. Just wanted to add something: there are people with 130+ IQ who are fully neurotypical. High IQ is statistically linked to neurodivergencies like ADHD or Autism, but not all high‑ability profiles come with them.

When they test IQ, they usually screen for neurodivergence at the same time, which is why both things often get diagnosed together. So the stats make sense, but there are exceptions.

I’m currently getting evaluated for possible ADHD, which might be connected to my high capacities profile. And honestly, most of the time it feels like constant internal noise and endless suffering even with success. Wouldn't say overthinking, it's just thinking profoundly.

I’m redpilled as hell though. Never had issues with women. I don’t see myself as particularly good looking, but definitely not ugly either.
 
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]
Extremely Stupid Argument
Halo effect will fall off pretty quick after a few class tests, IQ & GRIT would take over.


It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Use your logic a little bit here, ease, efficiency & speed of work increase dramatically with IQ till dead end.
It's generational wealth at play. IQ isn't as highly heritable as height; it regresses toward the mean. While high-IQ parents tend to produce children with above-average IQs, the children's IQs usually aren't as extreme. For example, if you and your spouse both have an average IQ of 150 and are wealthy, your child is more likely to have an IQ around 130 but will inherit your resources, connections, and money. That's why today's wealthy individuals may not have exceptionally high IQs themselves, but their ancestors did.
All first-generation top billionaires (regardless of whether their parents were middle class) have demonstrated high IQ abilities, as confirmed by their academic records.

IQ vs Your Social status
Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
agreed + made me remember the good ol days, that feeling is really cool.
I had that power as a big faceless influencer during my development years.
I'm really glad for that. People would pledge their loyalty to me, mass strike and take down social media channels/pages, spam call, and harass people on my command. They'd even give me their own social media passwords to prove their loyalty, grown-ass men while I was just a kid.:lul::lul:
Tech geeks would take down channels, hack my enemies, and stuff, all for nothing but to please me.
Edit my vids, logos, designing pages/servers, even create all of it for nothing but to be recognized by me.
Bunch of people would come up to me and give me money because they linked my content. Bunch of gifts from social media too, boosting my discord servers, gifting Nitro, wanting to donate money, all while I was barely a teen:forcedsmile:.

Even irl, since childhood, I lived life being at the top of the hierarchy, leading groups, winning in sports, ~100% academic score,
polished/refined manners, I was the favorite kid of everybody, people would compare their kids to me infront of everyone.

but sudden break from it changed my behavior & mannerisms completely pushing me to the other end of the spectrum.
and I've seen that changing behaviors in a lot of people, even tho some are just like they were before, many completely change.
These are just normies going with the flow, not the ones who use pharmacology & psychology properly to their advantage.

Now, that I'm done with reminiscing about my 1st golden age
here's how it relates to the point
for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
I'd disagree, this is mostly luck, unless you possess some other talent that makes you stand about among others & marks your position as the superior.
personality in this case is not genetic unless you're talking defected tier eg. < 2%,
all you need is assertiveness & confidence,
which are so easy to get if you know a bit about psychology & pharmacology.

There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world
I've observed drastic personality shifts in many people, including myself; they've completely transformed.
I recall mouse studies showing complete behavioral shifts within a few weeks or months in response to a welcoming environment.
Shyness is one of the easiest to change.
Actual ND is different tho, But there are meds for a lot of that if you look deep enough.

gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
easily avoidable with the things listed above
you can fix ND enough to enable decent function but no fix for retardation
actual sub 80 IQ people cry about not being able to do anything

If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.
not how it works
low IQ people can't just grasp it by studying for a few more hours




Looks over IQ
Dumb conclusion
In every way
NT over IQ
Again, you can fix ND, not IQ
Imagine being a burger flipping wagie with friends
like who cares compared to loner millionaire freelancer with peace & technology
Status, Fame, money,
only generation wealth can mog IQ
You can get all these with IQ but you might not need IQ If you got this in inheritance
what's even the point?
pointless to mention, water

no JFL, economic states & academics would mog this to different dimension
has to be bait
parental situation
whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ
IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.
:lul:
 

Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
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most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
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data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

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Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
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Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.

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"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
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The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
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We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE

water + iq is cope to girls and in general high iq is extremely rare
 
Extremely Stupid Argument
Halo effect will fall off pretty quick after a few class tests, IQ & GRIT would take over.
Use your logic a little bit here, ease, efficiency & speed of work increase dramatically with IQ till dead end.
It's generational wealth at play. IQ isn't as highly heritable as height; it regresses toward the mean. While high-IQ parents tend to produce children with above-average IQs, the children's IQs usually aren't as extreme. For example, if you and your spouse both have an average IQ of 150 and are wealthy, your child is more likely to have an IQ around 130 but will inherit your resources, connections, and money. That's why today's wealthy individuals may not have exceptionally high IQs themselves, but their ancestors did.
All first-generation top billionaires (regardless of whether their parents were middle class) have demonstrated high IQ abilities, as confirmed by their academic records.
agreed + made me remember the good ol days, that feeling is really cool.
I had that power as a big faceless influencer during my development years.
I'm really glad for that. People would pledge their loyalty to me, mass strike and take down social media channels/pages, spam call, and harass people on my command. They'd even give me their own social media passwords to prove their loyalty, grown-ass men while I was just a kid.:lul::lul:
Tech geeks would take down channels, hack my enemies, and stuff, all for nothing but to please me.
Edit my vids, logos, designing pages/servers, even create all of it for nothing but to be recognized by me.
Bunch of people would come up to me and give me money because they linked my content. Bunch of gifts from social media too, boosting my discord servers, gifting Nitro, wanting to donate money, all while I was barely a teen:forcedsmile:.
Even irl, since childhood, I lived life being at the top of the hierarchy, leading groups, winning in sports, ~100% academic score,
polished/refined manners, I was the favorite kid of everybody, people would compare their kids to me infront of everyone.
but sudden break from it changed my behavior & mannerisms completely pushing me to the other end of the spectrum.
and I've seen that changing behaviors in a lot of people, even tho some are just like they were before, many completely change.
These are just normies going with the flow, not the ones who use pharmacology & psychology properly to their advantage.
Now, that I'm done with reminiscing about my 1st golden age
here's how it relates to the point
I'd disagree, this is mostly luck, unless you possess some other talent that makes you stand about among others & marks your position as the superior.
personality in this case is not genetic unless you're talking defected tier eg. < 2%,
all you need is assertiveness & confidence,
which are so easy to get if you know a bit about psychology & pharmacology.
I've observed drastic personality shifts in many people, including myself; they've completely transformed.
I recall mouse studies showing complete behavioral shifts within a few weeks or months in response to a welcoming environment.
Shyness is one of the easiest to change.
Actual ND is different tho, But there are meds for a lot of that if you look deep enough.
easily avoidable with the things listed above
you can fix ND enough to enable decent function but no fix for retardation
actual sub 80 IQ people cry about not being able to do anything
not how it works
low IQ people can't just grasp it by studying for a few more hours
Dumb conclusion
In every way
Again, you can fix ND, not IQ
Imagine being a burger flipping wagie with friends
like who cares compared to loner millionaire freelancer with peace & technology
only generation wealth can mog IQ
You can get all these with IQ but you might not need IQ If you got this in inheritance
what's even the point?
pointless to mention, water
no JFL, economic states & academics would mog this to different dimension
has to be bait
:lul:
Giphy

Extremely Stupid Argument
Halo effect will fall off pretty quick after a few class tests, IQ & GRIT would take over.
This is unfortunately not true. In middle school I had a VERY nerdy appearance that I luckily got rid of in my 3 years of highschool
I was unironically showing retardation every day, i was extremely antisocial [not asocial, big difference], extremely apathetic towards my studies and made absolutely no effort to show any intelligence.
Despite this, my friends saw me as the smart one, they consciously KNEW I did the most retarded things, yet because of my pencil neck appearance and my square glasses, they still saw me as the smart friend. Keep in mind, I showed NO feat of intelligence at all, I was COMPLETELY retarded in my actions.
Fast forward to the last 3 years, where I changed my appearance and started caring about my studies, when I started getting good grades, guess what they said
"I always knew you were smart bro"
No, they just judged me by my APPEARANCE
This is the result of looking typical nerd, now imagine if I was actually attractive and likable, how much more inclined they would want to be to believe i was competent.

Gisaphy

Even irl, since childhood, I lived life being at the top of the hierarchy, leading groups, winning in sports, ~100% academic score,
polished/refined manners, I was the favorite kid of everybody, people would compare their kids to me infront of everyone.
Imadsge

all you need is assertiveness & confidence,
which are so easy to get if you know a bit about psychology & pharmacology.
I know people in real life who are extremely outwardly confident and assertive, people dislike them
Why? They are not particularly bad looking, some are good looking even. It's simply because the personality that accompanies them, something you cannot even measure.
"which are so easy to get if you know a bit about psychology & pharmacology."
I am sick of these DEBOONKS. It's always "you are a complete retard, your entire worldview is completely null if you simply [thing LITERALLY no one does except the rare exception]"
Who ACTUALLY studies psychology. Maybe you do, do others? Do you see people reading psychology books at your library, muh how to make friends and influence people.
Okay, you are right for that .000001%, I am right for the 99.99999%
"Well, high IQ people would actually learn this."
It is in human nature to go with the flow. Most people's lives are seamless, like a hot knife cutting butter, whether they are intelligent or not, they just do what they do with the cards they are dealt. SOOOME 150 iqs might decide to MUH LEARN PSYCHOLOGY AND PHARMACOLOGY but what HIGH IQ PERSON ACTUALLY DOES THIS?!!??!

Dumb conclusion
In every way
Again, you can fix ND, not IQ
Imagine being a burger flipping wagie with friends
like who cares compared to loner millionaire freelancer with peace & technology
only generation wealth can mog IQ
You can get all these with IQ but you might not need IQ If you got this in inheritance
what's even the point?
pointless to mention, water
no JFL, economic states & academics would mog this to different dimension
has to be bait
:lul:
It is quite comedic that the only thing you agree mogs IQ [status] is the thing you've actually experienced. For the rest, you have not, and therefore can cope in saying IQ means something.
From this post, it is quite obvious that you are a high IQ [if even] person who experienced fame once, but never a large amount of money or looks. If you did, you would know money completely RAPES fame.

Again, you can fix ND, not IQ
Giasphy

You can fix ND if you, let me guess, know PSYCHOLOGY AND MUH PHARMACOLOGY :feelskek:
Unless you have a mental disorder that is KNOWN for being curable or treatable to the point of making no difference whether you have it or not [which is few and far between] this doesn't work.
You cannot fix ND.
Gisaphy

Gisaphy

Gisaphy
 
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Who ACTUALLY studies psychology. Maybe you do, do others? Do you see people reading psychology books at your library, muh how to make friends and influence people.
I don't mean doing the complete college course.
I meant like like simple playing around with prompts in ai & looking up some pharmaceutical mentioned for this stuff should be enough.

It is quite comedic that the only thing you agree mogs IQ [status] is the thing you've actually experienced. For the rest, you have not, and therefore can cope in saying IQ means something.
From this post, it is quite obvious that you are a high IQ [if even] person who experienced fame once, but never a large amount of money or looks. If you did, you would know money completely RAPES fame.
I literally agreed with money & whatever indirect financial support you get in inheritance.
I just decided to put all of them in one box, because you either get them through IQ or by inheritance. or by extreme luck or/& talent.

ou can fix ND if you, let me guess, know PSYCHOLOGY AND MUH PHARMACOLOGY :feelskek:
Unless you have a mental disorder that is KNOWN for being curable or treatable to the point of making no difference whether you have it or not [which is few and far between] this doesn't work.
You cannot fix ND.
I was saying in comparison to IQ, Of course, you're not removing it completely.
I meant that irritability, hyperactivity, anxiety, and similar symptoms can be managed effectively.
If you are aware of this and put effort into managing it,
you could develop a protocol to properly mask it, which you should have anyway if you're neurodivergent.
steroids, SSRIs, Ecstasy with a recovery protocol to bounce back within a week, LSD microdose, Pregab, alprazolam etc.

Why wouldn’t you want to address a significant challenge in your life?
Of course, you might not be functioning as well as the average person,
but if you navigated your way to this site and found it interesting, then you’re already close to these medications.

tho this will never be fixed
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If you're taking born in wealth, status and whatever for IQ then you might as well take Dolph Lundgren who won't get bullied by anyone.
You just compare it for average people.
 
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I could see an argument for the rest
but this just has to be troll
race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ
like what job are you gonna do If you low IQ that'd be worth it
you ain't managing or leading nothing.:dafuckfeels:
just say inheritance
 
Works perfectly fine on mobile version I don’t know what these niggas are on.
 
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steroids, SSRIs, Ecstasy with a recovery protocol to bounce back within a week, LSD microdose
@mcmentalonthemic I just edited & added this
accidentally left it out while formatting it
 
I don't mean doing the complete college course.
I meant like like simple playing around with prompts in ai & looking up some pharmaceutical mentioned for this stuff should be enough.
I thought you meant reading the psychology literature, which is what I do and what I base my threads on when I talk about human psychology/disorders, playing around AI won't help you learn shiiit
because you either get them through IQ
Imahge

did bro not read the money part of the original thread
I meant that irritability, hyperactivity, anxiety, and similar symptoms can be managed effectively.
Those are symptoms, not disorders
Having symptoms doesn't make you ND, having disorders makes you ND, anyone can be constituted as anxious or hyperactive or irritable or neurotic.
As for those symptoms, many of the time they cannot be managed, the chance they can is down to luck, and it doesn't fix the root cause, which will also cause other symptoms, there really is no mental disorder that is only responsible for 1 symptom

Why wouldn’t you want to address a significant challenge in your life?
look at any ND person, they are addressing it and getting support for it

me to every ND person trying to fix their ND
Of course, you might not be functioning as well as the average person,
but if you navigated your way to this site and found it interesting, then you’re already close to these medications.
a disorder that can be fixed with a simple medication is slim
Incoming ADHD as an example? Many of it's medications have adverse effects long term, or give you dependency, or builds tolerance, or is only a bandaid in a bullet hole, or a combination of the 4.
"Of course, you might not be functioning as well as the average person"
I very much dislike it when people are explaining their world view to me, then bring up something that shatters their world view whilst explaining it, and act as if because they brung it up they are free from criticism with it. This is a BIG ofcourse you have here.


If you're taking born in wealth, status and whatever for IQ then you might as well take Dolph Lundgren who won't get bullied by anyone.
You just compare it for average people.
If you removed
dolph's looks
his status
his money
his job
his NT/ND
and his IQ
each separately in a different situation, and ran the simulation 1,000 times each, the one who had his IQ would be seen to have a much lower impact than the rest.

like what job are you gonna do If you low IQ that'd be worth it
there are countless stories of people that i've heard and some i've even witnessed myself where they have a cushy high paying job, and the only question is, how the fuck do they have it, this person is an utter retard, they are not particularly good looking and their parents don't have connections.
@Jason Voorhees vouch for me here please.
 
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