Cycle help

[reidm10Z!]

I’m going to run 10-20mg anavar and maybe 6-8iu of growth added on with basic add ons for liver nac and Tudca what should I add for height?

 

[edohc3619]

bro

 

[Potency]

I’m going to run 10-20mg anavar and maybe 6-8iu of growth added on with basic add ons for liver nac and Tudca what should I add for height?

how is it possible one can get var and gh but can't get test the most well known steroid oat

 

[reidm10Z!]

how is it possible one can get var and gh but can't get test the most well known steroid oat

Well I should’ve abbreviated I can get test but it’s hard to hide and more risky to order needles I would if it wasn’t risky for me to get caught I’ve had growth and var for a while and I almost got caught Ordering them

 

[browridge]

I’m going to run 10-20mg anavar and maybe 6-8iu of growth added on with basic add ons for liver nac and Tudca what should I add for height?

low dose test n tren

 

[bruh0352]

Just go head a chug a bottle of Tito’s while you’re at it since you dgaf about your liver lol.

 

[Aenterion2]

Please don’t be retarted. You can’t run var without a test base. GH is literally 4x the price of test and you still gotta inject it. On top of that you don’t even gotta refrigerate test. Get a test base of like 200 and then use your var. TBH you should just be running a test cycle for your first cycle. I would recommend low dose test for your first cycle, test out how your body reacts. Then run test with low dose var. your gonna make way more gains on a test only cycle than var anyways. Btw if you run anavar only, your test will crash and once you hop of var you will feel like shit and turn into a skeleton, losing all your gains.

 

[reidm10Z!]

Please don’t be retarted. You can’t run var without a test base. GH is literally 4x the price of test and you still gotta inject it. On top of that you don’t even gotta refrigerate test. Get a test base of like 200 and then use your var. TBH you should just be running a test cycle for your first cycle. I would recommend low dose test for your first cycle, test out how your body reacts. Then run test with low dose var. your gonna make way more gains on a test only cycle than var anyways. Btw if you run anavar only, your test will crash and once you hop of var you will feel like shit and turn into a skeleton, losing all your gains.

Honestly I just wanted to see what people said or more like if it was possible and the reason I said I might just do growth or something is cause I already have it I was already planning on buying test obviously I would get suppressed if I just ran var

 

[Aenterion2]

Bro please plan your cycle before hand, get your bloodwork pre cycle, mid cycle and at the end of your cycle. Run just test as your first cycle. Start at 200mg and titrate up to 500mg or 400mg. Test how your body reacts. Also get some finastride, AI, HCG, bp med of choice. Also buy a blood pressure measuring device. Of course you also need your vitamins and supplements. I recommend you do a full PCT for your first cycle so you can get some experience on how to do PCT. For your next cycle then you can start experimenting with Var and cruising instead of hopping of completely.

 

[reidm10Z!]

Bro please plan your cycle before hand, get your bloodwork pre cycle, mid cycle and at the end of your cycle. Run just test as your first cycle. Start at 200mg and titrate up to 500mg or 400mg. Test how your body reacts. Also get some finastride, AI, HCG, bp med of choice. Also buy a blood pressure measuring device. Of course you also need your vitamins and supplements. I recommend you do a full PCT for your first cycle so you can get some experience on how to do PCT. For your next cycle then you can start experimenting with Var and cruising instead of hopping of completely.

Ofc I alr got my bloods all my markers are good test is 600 im not a big fan of high dose test for a few reasons though I would honestly only do like 300t tops with an aas even though it’s my first cycle I don’t really care about sides though other than suppression or baldness witch I have stuff for like ru and basic pct stuff like clomid and hcg,I have arimidex also.

 

[Aenterion2]

Ig bro, but var won’t turn you into prime David laid. It’s hella mid for building actual muscle tissue, so don’t expect crazy size or anything. Just lean dry gains with good strength, maybe like 2kg of muscle.

 

[reidm10Z!]

Ig bro, but var won’t turn you into prime David laid. It’s hella mid for building actual muscle tissue, so don’t expect crazy size or anything. Just lean dry gains with good strength, maybe like 2kg of muscle.

More for the vascularity and pumps and little extra gains there’s some literature saying it works for linear growth but I wouldn’t know to much about that

 

[Kojo]

I’m going to run 10-20mg anavar and maybe 6-8iu of growth added on with basic add ons for liver nac and Tudca what should I add for height?

You are a lunatic.

6-8iu of gh is just retarded and stunting. Do 10+

Add an ai idiot.

 

[Aenterion2]

More for the vascularity and pumps and little extra gains there’s some literature saying it works for linear growth but I wouldn’t know to much about that

Nah it ain’t doing shit for height, especially at 18. But Yh bro, you will put quality long term keepable muscle. Keep us updated with the ascension

 

[Kojo]

Please don’t be retarted. You can’t run var without a test base. GH is literally 4x the price of test and you still gotta inject it. On top of that you don’t even gotta refrigerate test. Get a test base of like 200 and then use your var. TBH you should just be running a test cycle for your first cycle. I would recommend low dose test for your first cycle, test out how your body reacts. Then run test with low dose var. your gonna make way more gains on a test only cycle than var anyways. Btw if you run anavar only, your test will crash and once you hop of var you will feel like shit and turn into a skeleton, losing all your gains.

You're a lunatic, low test environment is an optimal environment for growth as long as he's running gh at good amounts.

Test is counterproductive to growing as it just increase aromatase activity lol

 

[reidm10Z!]

You are a lunatic.

6-8iu of gh is just retarded and stunting. Do 10+

Add an ai idiot.

I’m really regretting not elaborating on this thread yes I am adding an ai also 8iu is not bad that’s like minimum but anything lower isn’t great your right about that

 

[reidm10Z!]

You're a lunatic, low test environment is an optimal environment for growth as long as he's running gh at good amounts.

Test is counterproductive to growing as it just increase aromatase activity lol

Right?

 

[reidm10Z!]

Nah it ain’t doing shit for height, especially at 18. But Yh bro, you will put quality long term keepable muscle. Keep us updated with the ascension

I’m 15

 

[Kojo]

I’m really regretting not elaborating on this thread yes I am adding an ai also 8iu is not bad that’s like minimum but anything lower isn’t great your right about that

Not even 8 is good if you're crashing test. The growth spurt happens because of test, as it boosts igf-1 significantly.

If you're nuking test with just anavar (optimal but use tren instead, it's better than anavar for chondrocyte proliferation and boosting igf-1) then you'll also have to compensate for the reduced igf-1 levels from decreasing test with adding tren and also upping the gh.

You'll grow insanely, if you add erda you'd be an actual growth machine lol

 

[kullancı1998572619]

I’m going to run 10-20mg anavar and maybe 6-8iu of growth added on with basic add ons for liver nac and Tudca what should I add for height?

250 alt 93 ast nothing ever happenns bro

 

[Aenterion2]

Confused you with another post. Nigga why on earth r u running this shit at 15. You’re gonna stunt growth,

 

[reidm10Z!]

Not even 8 is good if you're crashing test. The growth spurt happens because of test, as it boosts igf-1 significantly.

If you're nuking test with just anavar (optimal but use tren instead, it's better than anavar for chondrocyte proliferation and boosting igf-1) then you'll also have to compensate for the reduced igf-1 levels from decreasing test with adding tren and also upping the gh.

You'll grow insanely, if you add erda you'd be an actual growth machine lol

Is erda an inhibitor of fgfr3? If so I don’t do those because of spinal issues I wouldn’t go no test I would do 80-300 I forgot to say that I just wouldn’t do a lot and would use an ai

 

[Aenterion2]

Not even 8 is good if you're crashing test. The growth spurt happens because of test, as it boosts igf-1 significantly.

If you're nuking test with just anavar (optimal but use tren instead, it's better than anavar for chondrocyte proliferation and boosting igf-1) then you'll also have to compensate for the reduced igf-1 levels from decreasing test with adding tren and also upping the gh.

You'll grow insanely, if you add erda you'd be an actual growth machine lol

What the fuck are you saying. R u retarted running test without var. this shit isn’t making you taller. GH only makes kids taller that are deficient. Var has literally no study’s on height growth in general. If you have two brain cells you will know tren with close your plates before anything else. Factor in how your body would react, acne etc.. You gotta keep your estrogen constantly in check. OP don’t listen to this brain dead dumbass

 

[reidm10Z!]

Confused you with another post. Nigga why on earth r u running this shit at 15. You’re gonna stunt growth,

Anavar and low test and gh and an ai kinda goes against the whole growth plate closure related to e2 the purpose was for height mostly

 

[Aenterion2]

Is erda an inhibitor of fgfr3? If so I don’t do those because of spinal issues I wouldn’t go no test I would do 80-300 I forgot to say that I just wouldn’t do a lot and would use an ai

Yh defo have a test base, if not your gonna crash once your off and turn into a stick.

 

[reidm10Z!]

What the fuck are you saying. R u retarted running test without var. this shit isn’t making you taller. GH only makes kids taller that are deficient. Var has literally no study’s on height growth in general. If you have two brain cells you will know tren with close your plates before anything else. Factor in how your body would react, acne etc.. You gotta keep your estrogen constantly in check. OP don’t listen to this brain dead dumbass

Yes it actually does it has multiple studies showing an increase in height yes it’s in kids with deficiencies but regardless saying there is no studies on it is wrong

 

[Aenterion2]

You are a lunatic.

6-8iu of gh is just retarded and stunting. Do 10+

Add an ai idiot.

You’re telling a 15 yr to fucking blast high dose HGH like he knows what he is doing. He is gonna stunt his plates and get liver issues. Genuinely how retarted of a incel can you be

 

[reidm10Z!]

You’re telling a 15 yr to fucking blast high dose HGH like he knows what he is doing. He is gonna stunt his plates and get liver issues. Genuinely how retarted of a incel can you be

he’s not wrong on the dosing of growth that’s technically how much a healthy human would need to actually grow taller most likely and for liver problems you have a point but it can be mitigated.

 

[Aenterion2]

he’s not wrong on the dosing of growth that’s technically how much a healthy human would need to actually grow taller most likely and for liver problems you have a point but it can be mitigated.

You won’t grow from GH if you’re not deficient. You already have insane levels during puberty, blasting more won’t change your genes.

 

[Kojo]

Is erda an inhibitor of fgfr3? If so I don’t do those because of spinal issues I wouldn’t go no test I would do 80-300 I forgot to say that I just wouldn’t do a lot and would use an ai

Do not do any supraphysiological test dude

 

[reidm10Z!]

Do not do any supraphysiological test dude

How much?

 

[Kojo]

What the fuck are you saying. R u retarted running test without var. this shit isn’t making you taller. GH only makes kids taller that are deficient. Var has literally no study’s on height growth in general. If you have two brain cells you will know tren with close your plates before anything else. Factor in how your body would react, acne etc.. You gotta keep your estrogen constantly in check. OP don’t listen to this brain dead dumbass

No one said anything about running test without var, I think you meant running var without test. Need to increase your reading comprehension.

I also literally said he needs to drop var. rhGH is used in kids with idiopathic short stature not just kids that are short with aetiology. Also anything that's anabolic is pro height as it fuels igf-1 which leads to more chondrocyte proliferation hence var would work there's just better options.

Tren won't close your plates, it doesn't even aromatise. Growth plates fuse through e2, stop talking.

If acne is a deal breaker you're retarded, if keeping your estrogen in check is a deal breaker you're also retarded. You don't know a single thing about this topic just pipe down and go to your hole.

 

[Kojo]

You’re telling a 15 yr to fucking blast high dose HGH like he knows what he is doing. He is gonna stunt his plates and get liver issues. Genuinely how retarted of a incel can you be

Liver issues from GH? lol? What does his age have to do with this, you can be young and intelligent. If he's inquiring about the compounds I won't say "no bro you're too young" when this is literally the perfect time to run any of these compounds.

Nothing I advised him will stunt his plates, if you don't have studies stop talking

Also, I'm not an incel. Don't make assumptions.

 

[Kojo]

How much?

TRT

Also don't listen to the other guy he knows absolutely nothing about physiology, dude said tren will fuse your plates

 

[reidm10Z!]

TRT

Also don't listen to the other guy he knows absolutely nothing about physiology, dude said tren will fuse your plates

What would a good cycle be like doses of growth and var, trt.

 

[Aenterion2]

No one said anything about running test without var, I think you meant running var without test. Need to increase your reading comprehension.

I also literally said he needs to drop var. rhGH is used in kids with idiopathic short stature not just kids that are short with aetiology. Also anything that's anabolic is pro height as it fuels igf-1 which leads to more chondrocyte proliferation hence var would work there's just better options.

Tren won't close your plates, it doesn't even aromatise. Growth plates fuse through e2, stop talking.

If acne is a deal breaker you're retarded, if keeping your estrogen in check is a deal breaker you're also retarded. You don't know a single thing about this topic just pipe down and go to your hole.

Bro you’re acting like not aromatizing means a compound magically can’t affect growth. Estrogen is the main driver of growth plate fusion, but “doesn’t aromatize = can’t impact height” is bro-science.





And the whole “anything anabolic is pro-height because it increases IGF-1” argument is weak. If it was that simple, every anabolic steroid would be prescribed to make kids taller. Growth isn’t just “more IGF-1 = more height.”





Nobody said rhGH isn’t used for idiopathic short stature. That’s completely irrelevant to whether your other points are correct.





Also, calling people retarded every other sentence isn’t evidence. You’re just replacing actual arguments with insults.





You sound like you learned endocrinology from TikTok clips and now think you’ve solved human growth.

 

[Aenterion2]

Liver issues from GH? lol? What does his age have to do with this, you can be young and intelligent. If he's inquiring about the compounds I won't say "no bro you're too young" when this is literally the perfect time to run any of these compounds.

Nothing I advised him will stunt his plates, if you don't have studies stop talking

Also, I'm not an incel. Don't make assumptions.

You literally upgraded your account, your the definition of a virgin

 

[Kojo]

What would a good cycle be like doses of growth and var, trt.

12iu gh, drop the var, maybe 100 test

 

[reidm10Z!]

12iu gh, drop the var, maybe 100 test

If I wanted to add an aas what should I add also why drop the var?

 

[Kojo]

Bro you’re acting like not aromatizing means a compound magically can’t affect growth. Estrogen is the main driver of growth plate fusion, but “doesn’t aromatize = can’t impact height” is bro-science.





And the whole “anything anabolic is pro-height because it increases IGF-1” argument is weak. If it was that simple, every anabolic steroid would be prescribed to make kids taller. Growth isn’t just “more IGF-1 = more height.”





Nobody said rhGH isn’t used for idiopathic short stature. That’s completely irrelevant to whether your other points are correct.





Also, calling people retarded every other sentence isn’t evidence. You’re just replacing actual arguments with insults.





You sound like you learned endocrinology from TikTok clips and now think you’ve solved human growth.

Firstly stop being a retard and putting 30 spaces between your messages it's annoying to reply to. And stop using ai you fucking twat

Now to break down these retarded ai points, yes anything anabolic promotes growth as that's quite literally what anabolism is. It's a type of metabolism which is for building things up in the body.

The body is just a clump of cells, Chondrocytes go through anabolism to even exist. Also yes if something doesn't aromatise it doesn't effect height.. Growth Cartilage senescence is an E2 mediated pathway, you're the one using broscience here lol

Why would they give kids anabolic steroids for height?? rhGH is literally an option, directly increasing igf-1 lmao and roids shut off the hpg axis which isn't ideal. Just messing with their development, shitty ai argument.

if rhGH is used for idiopathic short stature and shows fah increase then it is a valid apparatus for growth. Argue with a wall

You're retarded. And human growth isn't even fully solved by scientists alone, we just know some of it. And from what we already know you're a retard

 

[Kojo]

You literally upgraded your account, your the definition of a virgin

I have posts of my interactions with girls. You can call me an incel but it's a baseless claim. nice try bud

 

[Aenterion2]

Firstly stop being a retard and putting 30 spaces between your messages it's annoying to reply to. And stop using ai you fucking twat

Now to break down these retarded ai points, yes anything anabolic promotes growth as that's quite literally what anabolism is. It's a type of metabolism which is for building things up in the body.

The body is just a clump of cells, Chondrocytes go through anabolism to even exist. Also yes if something doesn't aromatise it doesn't effect height.. Growth Cartilage senescence is an E2 mediated pathway, you're the one using broscience here lol

Why would they give kids anabolic steroids for height?? rhGH is literally an option, directly increasing igf-1 lmao and roids shut off the hpg axis which isn't ideal. Just messing with their development, shitty ai argument.

if rhGH is used for idiopathic short stature and shows fah increase then it is a valid apparatus for growth. Argue with a wall

You're retarded. And human growth isn't even fully solved by scientists alone, we just know some of it. And from what we already know you're a retard

You’re still arguing against shit I never said lol.
Nobody said anabolism doesn’t contribute to growth. I said “it’s anabolic so it’ll make you taller” is a dumb oversimplification. By that logic every anabolic compound would be used to increase height.

And no, “doesn’t aromatize = doesn’t affect height” isn’t the slam dunk you think it is. Estrogen is the main factor in growth plate fusion, but acting like that’s the only thing involved is exactly the kind of oversimplified bro-science you’re accusing everyone else of.
Also why do you keep bringing up rhGH? I never said it doesn’t work for idiopathic short stature. You’re arguing with a point you made up in your head.
The funniest thing is you’re calling everyone retarded while making absolute statements about a field that even endocrinologists don’t speak in absolutes about.

You basically reduced human growth to:
“More anabolic = more height”
“No aromatization = no effect on height”
You talk like you have never felt the touch of a woman.

 

[Kojo]

If I wanted to add an aas what should I add also why drop the var?

Because var is very mild and all it does is put pressure on your liver. Use a different aas. I mean if u can handle the liver keep it but idk why you'd run something like that over tren

 

[Aenterion2]

I have posts of my interactions with girls. You can call me an incel but it's a baseless claim. nice try bud

Nigga you have 2.7k posts. Definition of an incel. A conversation you had with a woman doesn’t disprove your fucking chud. It’s genuinely so over.

 

[reidm10Z!]

Because var is very mild and all it does is put pressure on your liver. Use a different aas. I mean if u can handle the liver keep it but idk why you'd run something like that over tren

True, but I would need a lot more extras to avoid different types of toxicity on tren it’s a good compound I just don’t have the money for all the extra stuff, I read a study on var and for the most part lipids returned to normal relatively fast.

 

[Kojo]

You’re still arguing against shit I never said lol.
Nobody said anabolism doesn’t contribute to growth. I said “it’s anabolic so it’ll make you taller” is a dumb oversimplification. By that logic every anabolic compound would be used to increase height.

And no, “doesn’t aromatize = doesn’t affect height” isn’t the slam dunk you think it is. Estrogen is the main factor in growth plate fusion, but acting like that’s the only thing involved is exactly the kind of oversimplified bro-science you’re accusing everyone else of.
Also why do you keep bringing up rhGH? I never said it doesn’t work for idiopathic short stature. You’re arguing with a point you made up in your head.
The funniest thing is you’re calling everyone retarded while making absolute statements about a field that even endocrinologists don’t speak in absolutes about.

You basically reduced human growth to:
“More anabolic = more height”
“No aromatization = no effect on height”
You talk like you have never felt the touch of a woman.

lol??? you're literally strawmanning me, I never said "anabolism = taller" I literally said it promotes chondrocyte proliferation verbatim. Also again they wouldn't use every anabolic like I said because roids mess with the persons development.

Whereas rhGH does not hence it is preferred. Also rhGH binds to gh receptors in the growth plates to induce growth too it's not just igf-1. rhGH is always the best base option

I never said Estrogen is the "only thing involved" a bunch of genes and signalling pathways are technically involved But involvement doesn't imply causality. Estrogen is the only fuser of plates. Aromatase deficient men never get fused plates lol

How am I arguing with a made up point? You said to the op that rhGH doesn't increase your height unless your GHD. If you're agreeing it increases height in normal kids that's quite literally a contradiction to the initial statement.

I NEVER said "More anabolic = More height"
And yes endos conclusively agree no aromatisation = no effect on height as we literally have people that are born with an altered gene that does not produce aromatase anywhere in the body. They all end up 6'4+ and never stop growing. They have to induce e2 into their system to make them stop growing

 

[Kojo]

Nigga you have 2.7k posts. Definition of an incel. A conversation you had with a woman doesn’t disprove your fucking chud. It’s genuinely so over.

Conversation?? mf it's girl IN MY BED LMFAO

2.7k posts in 4 months is not a bad thing either, and it'd make sense if I had this much posts from off topic, it's literally all from me helping others in the looksmaxxing sections. I don't have friends on here and don't care for anyone here I'm just helping people and helping myself.

Nice try though.

In 4 months that's literally like 20 posts a day which literally takes like 10 minutes to get

 

[Kojo]

True, but I would need a lot more extras to avoid different types of toxicity on tren it’s a good compound I just don’t have the money for all the extra stuff, I read a study on var and for the most part lipids returned to normal relatively fast.

Fair enough, you can run it. Just don't expect too much

 

[Aenterion2]

lol??? you're literally strawmanning me, I never said "anabolism = taller" I literally said it promotes chondrocyte proliferation verbatim. Also again they wouldn't use every anabolic like I said because roids mess with the persons development.

Whereas rhGH does not hence it is preferred. Also rhGH binds to gh receptors in the growth plates to induce growth too it's not just igf-1. rhGH is always the best base option

I never said Estrogen is the "only thing involved" a bunch of genes and signalling pathways are technically involved But involvement doesn't imply causality. Estrogen is the only fuser of plates. Aromatase deficient men never get fused plates lol

How am I arguing with a made up point? You said to the op that rhGH doesn't increase your height unless your GHD. If you're agreeing it increases height in normal kids that's quite literally a contradiction to the initial statement.

I NEVER said "More anabolic = More height"
And yes endos conclusively agree no aromatisation = no effect on height as we literally have people that are born with an altered gene that does not produce aromatase anywhere in the body. They all end up 6'4+ and never stop growing. They have to induce e2 into their system to make them stop growing

Never agreed it increase height in normal kids. You correctly quoted it increases height in kids with ISS. They are not normal, their GH levels might be but maybe their receptors are fucked or any other host of issues. Any studies done on normal children with normal growth all show that GH treatments provide insignificant height growth 0-2cm. And you need to be blasting GH for that. This comes with a host of other possible side effects that you can’t just mitigate with AI. Where are you making this shit up about people without the aromatise gene. They end up with delayed or abnormal bone maturation and develop osteopenia. They don’t endlessly grow taller dumbass. You oversimplify how growth works. There are multiple pathways.

 

[Kojo]

Never agreed it increase height in normal kids. You correctly quoted it increases height in kids with ISS. They are not normal, their GH levels might be but maybe their receptors are fucked or any other host of issues. Any studies done on normal children with normal growth all show that GH treatments provide insignificant height growth 0-2cm. And you need to be blasting GH for that. This comes with a host of other possible side effects that you can’t just mitigate with AI. Where are you making this shit up about people without the aromatise gene. They end up with delayed or abnormal bone maturation and develop osteopenia. They don’t endlessly grow taller dumbass. You oversimplify how growth works. There are multiple pathways.

They quite literally do grow endlessly LOL there's documented growth and xrays that show even at 24 they have open plates.

Also iss kids are normal, they don't have receptor issues otherwise they wouldn't be idiopathically short.. you know we can literally test receptor sensitivity..

Also rhGH alone won't do much, it's a package with ai's.