Dating is so difficult. Its so hard to tell if your getting rejected for your looks or for what ur saying.

[Deleted member 17829]

Yeah I know chad can say what he wants and still get the girl.

But for htn/chadlite people. its so hard to tell whether im getting rejected for my looks or for what im saying.

i can get a decent amount of matches, but then all the convo's fizzle out. id say i have reasonably good game.

because there is literally no way to tell whether its cos of ur looks or something u said. i used to be redpilled so i thought it was alwys what i said.now im more blackpilled so ofc its mainly looks and smv. but i do think there is still a part of the equation that includes how good ur game is.

so idk man. i guess ill keep improving my looks. but its hard to tell what things you should say/not say again cos it mightve just been good game, but a rejection for ur looks.

so difficult man.

 

[thecel]

it’s both duh

x = loox , y = game , z = her attraction

x + y = z

what increases in x and y can make z bigger? increasing x, y, or both x and y.

 

[Deleted member 16960]

Reminder op is chinese

 

[ROTTING]

Reminder op is chinese

You have something against the descendants of dragons?

 

[metagross]

It depends. In real life it is 99% your looks.
On dating apps, it's maybe 60% your looks.

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Reminder op is chinese

im literally white u abused dog

 

[thereallegend]

It depends. In real life it is 99% your looks.
On dating apps, it's maybe 60% your looks.

I'd actually switch those two around.

 

[metagross]

I'd actually switch those two around.

Really? I think once you matched with the girl on a dating app, she wants to "feel a connection" or you need to have som kind of texting game, etc.
While in real life, you could just say whatever and she wouldn't care that much as long as you look good.

 

[thereallegend]

once you matched with the girl on a dating app

Most guys don't even get any matches. So, dating apps are 90% looks.

 

[Gonthar]

But for htn/chadlite people. its so hard to tell whether im getting rejected for my looks or for what im saying.

i can get a decent amount of matches, but then all the convo's fizzle out. id say i have reasonably good game.

You can relax, it's your looks that determine the outcome, I used to have great game, and still didn't get anywhere...I approached online and in real life hundreds of girls and went on dates with dozens of them.

Around a third of these dates were really painful, the conversation went absolutely nowhere - I would ask a question about them or their life and get just a short conversation ending response. I would say something about me, or a funny story, a joke, an observation, etc. and their only reaction was "OK...", "Right....", Uh-huh..." followed by awkward silence - it was very cringy, I didn't know how to get out of there faster...
In another third of dates the conversation would go pretty well - they would answer, ask me things back in return, make various observations to the things I said, etc., but they kept their distance and had an overly polite or business-like tone of voice; whenever I would try to get closer to them, flirt or push things further they kept their distance or acted like they didn't understand where I was trying to get, etc.... These kind of dates always left me scratching my head - I didn't know where exactly I was standing and what to do after this: should I call these girls back or what...?
The last third of dates however would go amazingly well: the conversation would flow very smoothly, we would discover we had many things in common, I would have funny or witty things to reply to whatever they said, I would quickly get close to them - flirt, say seductive things, while they giggled, then I would touch them, hug them, kiss them, and they seemed to enjoy it a lot. After the date was over, I would go home happy, thinking I just got myself a new girlfriend. But here's the thing: in almost all of these cases the end result was the same: I was ghosted, ended in the friendzone or receive some bullshit excuse like: "I'm so busy right now, I just don't have time for a relationship", "You're a great guy, but I like you more as a friend", etc...
I had no idea what was happening here, since I did everything perfectly, until I discovered the blackpill and realized that no amount of 'game' can compensate for your looks - the difference between a friend and a boyfriend is determined by your looks. Period!

 

[Deleted member 17829]

You can relax, it's your looks that determine the outcome, I used to have great game, and still didn't get anywhere...I approached online and in real life hundreds of girls and went on dates with dozens of them.

Around a third of these dates were really painful, the conversation went absolutely nowhere - I would ask a question about them or their life and get just a short conversation ending response. I would say something about me, or a funny story, a joke, an observation, etc. and their only reaction was "OK...", "Right....", Uh-huh..." followed by awkward silence - it was very cringy, I didn't know how to get out of there faster...
In another third of dates the conversation would go pretty well - they would answer, ask me things back in return, make various observations to the things I said, etc., but they kept their distance and had an overly polite or business-like tone of voice; whenever I would try to get closer to them, flirt or push things further they kept their distance or acted like they didn't understand where I was trying to get, etc.... These kind of dates always left me scratching my head - I didn't know where exactly I was standing and what to do after this: should I call these girls back or what...?
The last third of dates however would go amazingly well: the conversation would flow very smoothly, we would discover we had many things in common, I would have funny or witty things to reply to whatever they said, I would quickly get close to them - flirt, say seductive things, while they giggled, then I would touch them, hug them, kiss them, and they seemed to enjoy it a lot. After the date was over, I would go home happy, thinking I just got myself a new girlfriend. But here's the thing: in almost all of these cases the end result was the same: I was ghosted, ended in the friendzone or receive some bullshit excuse like: "I'm so busy right now, I just don't have time for a relationship", "You're a great guy, but I like you more as a friend", etc...
I had no idea what was happening here, since I did everything perfectly, until I discovered the blackpill and realized that no amount of 'game' can compensate for your looks - the difference between a friend and a boyfriend is determined by your looks. Period!

shit man i thought ur story was gonna have a happy ending. thats so brutal man.

i have also experienced the exact same thing. i think its looks + the extremity of how fucked the dating market is.

life is honestly be chad or never be happy..

 

[Gonthar]

shit man i thought ur story was gonna have a happy ending. thats so brutal man.

i have also experienced the exact same thing. i think its looks + the extremity of how fucked the dating market is.

I had three girlfriends:
- one was a fluke, just a random encounter on a street with a group of girls, who invited me to join them, we went bar-hopping and clubbing, then one of them said to me that another one likes me and wants us to be together. I accepted immediately since I never had a girlfriend before, but that girl was simply crazy, unstable, always crying and confessing all her dark thoughts to me, and simply ghosted me after several weeks with no explanation...
- another was a girl I orbited for two years in college, I put a huge amount of effort and time in her, we had a lot of things in common, we were very much alike, our conversations were amazing, we spent almost every day together at the university and in the same social circle, but she already had a boyfriend and I had to wait until she dumped him to finally be with her, the mere exposure effect played a big part here.
- the third girlfriend was another fluke: a girl way out of my league: hot, sexy and also very smart, we've met online, went on a date, but for some reason I didn't quite feel right that day: I was somehow intimidated by her, we had a very polite conversation that didn't get really anywhere, I just didn't really feel like being flirty or seductive that day. I thought that was the end of that and was ready to go home, but she suggested we go to another bar. There I ordered myself some alcohol, she ordered the same, I became more relaxed, the conversation started to flow more smoothly, we got closer to each other and soon almost like magic, we started to touch, kiss, while she started to go crazy and yell ecstatically: "OMG, you're amazing, I like you, I like you so much!!!!". I also discovered after that, that she was also kinda crazy, into drugs, pills, self-harm, BDSM and other freaky stuff. After three months of wild times she ended the relationship just as abruptly as it started by moving to another country.

Anyway, in none of these successful cases 'game' or conversation skills really had much influence, looks are the most important thing and in my case random chance also played an important part, since I approached a lot of girls...

 

[metagross]

Most guys don't even get any matches. So, dating apps are 90% looks.

For the matching part in itself yes. But I mean after the initial match, where you are supposed to build some kind of connection over text, get her number, etc. - The conversation itself.

 

[whiteissuperior]

you can tell by how much she tries to carry the convo

If she tries super hard in the beginning of the date/interaction, then it fizzles out, its your fault

if she wasnt super interested or talkative in the first place, its either A) your looks (50% of the time or B) one of many possible things that doesnt really have anything to do with you. Like her ex texted her in the middle of your date, she's feeling shy, she's in a bad mood ...etc

 

[Deleted member 17829]

I had three girlfriends:
- one was a fluke, just a random encounter on a street with a group of girls, who invited me to join them, we went bar-hopping and clubbing, then one of them said to me that another one likes me and wants us to be together. I accepted immediately since I never had a girlfriend before, but that girl was simply crazy, unstable, always crying and confessing all her dark thoughts to me, and simply ghosted me after several weeks with no explanation...
- another was a girl I orbited for two years in college, I put a huge amount of effort and time in her, we had a lot of things in common, we were very much alike, our conversations were amazing, we spent almost every day together at the university and in the same social circle, but she already had a boyfriend and I had to wait until she dumped him to finally be with her, the mere exposure effect played a big part here.
- the third girlfriend was another fluke: a girl way out of my league: hot, sexy and also very smart, we've met online, went on a date, but for some reason I didn't quite feel right that day: I was somehow intimidated by her, we had a very polite conversation that didn't get really anywhere, I just didn't really feel like being flirty or seductive that day. I thought that was the end of that and was ready to go home, but she suggested we go to another bar. There I ordered myself some alcohol, she ordered the same, I became more relaxed, the conversation started to flow more smoothly, we got closer to each other and soon almost like magic, we started to touch, kiss, while she started to go crazy and yell ecstatically: "OMG, you're amazing, I like you, I like you so much!!!!". I also discovered after that, that she was also kinda crazy, into drugs, pills, self-harm, BDSM and other freaky stuff. After three months of wild times she ended the relationship just as abruptly as it started by moving to another country.

Anyway, in none of these successful cases 'game' or conversation skills really had much influence, looks are the most important thing and in my case random chance also played an important part, since I approached a lot of girls...

too many words. im sorry that happened to you. or congrats

 

[Deleted member 15302]

Yeah I know chad can say what he wants and still get the girl.

But for htn/chadlite people. its so hard to tell whether im getting rejected for my looks or for what im saying.

i can get a decent amount of matches, but then all the convo's fizzle out. id say i have reasonably good game.

because there is literally no way to tell whether its cos of ur looks or something u said. i used to be redpilled so i thought it was alwys what i said.now im more blackpilled so ofc its mainly looks and smv. but i do think there is still a part of the equation that includes how good ur game is.

so idk man. i guess ill keep improving my looks. but its hard to tell what things you should say/not say again cos it mightve just been good game, but a rejection for ur looks.

so difficult man.

you don’t have good game

 

[Deleted member 17829]

you don’t have good game

u think thats most likely the problem?

 

[Deleted member 15556]

You can relax, it's your looks that determine the outcome, I used to have great game, and still didn't get anywhere...I approached online and in real life hundreds of girls and went on dates with dozens of them.

Around a third of these dates were really painful, the conversation went absolutely nowhere - I would ask a question about them or their life and get just a short conversation ending response. I would say something about me, or a funny story, a joke, an observation, etc. and their only reaction was "OK...", "Right....", Uh-huh..." followed by awkward silence - it was very cringy, I didn't know how to get out of there faster...
In another third of dates the conversation would go pretty well - they would answer, ask me things back in return, make various observations to the things I said, etc., but they kept their distance and had an overly polite or business-like tone of voice; whenever I would try to get closer to them, flirt or push things further they kept their distance or acted like they didn't understand where I was trying to get, etc.... These kind of dates always left me scratching my head - I didn't know where exactly I was standing and what to do after this: should I call these girls back or what...?
The last third of dates however would go amazingly well: the conversation would flow very smoothly, we would discover we had many things in common, I would have funny or witty things to reply to whatever they said, I would quickly get close to them - flirt, say seductive things, while they giggled, then I would touch them, hug them, kiss them, and they seemed to enjoy it a lot. After the date was over, I would go home happy, thinking I just got myself a new girlfriend. But here's the thing: in almost all of these cases the end result was the same: I was ghosted, ended in the friendzone or receive some bullshit excuse like: "I'm so busy right now, I just don't have time for a relationship", "You're a great guy, but I like you more as a friend", etc...
I had no idea what was happening here, since I did everything perfectly, until I discovered the blackpill and realized that no amount of 'game' can compensate for your looks - the difference between a friend and a boyfriend is determined by your looks. Period!

Why would they agree to a date if they didn’t like your looks. Seems like it was more to do with your personality tbh. Plus if they’re open to you’re touch they’re attracted to you.

Yeah I know chad can say what he wants and still get the girl.

But for htn/chadlite people. its so hard to tell whether im getting rejected for my looks or for what im saying.

i can get a decent amount of matches, but then all the convo's fizzle out. id say i have reasonably good game.

because there is literally no way to tell whether its cos of ur looks or something u said. i used to be redpilled so i thought it was alwys what i said.now im more blackpilled so ofc its mainly looks and smv. but i do think there is still a part of the equation that includes how good ur game is.

so idk man. i guess ill keep improving my looks. but its hard to tell what things you should say/not say again cos it mightve just been good game, but a rejection for ur looks.

so difficult man.

I think when you look good enough, you’re better off being blue/red pilled.

In real life, all around me I see normal looking dudes with nice girlfriends or getting attention from girls at night.

Black pill thinks that attraction works the same way it does for men. Like you look at a girl and immediately want to sleep with her. Which is not the case. Her attraction is like a switch and you got to press the right buttons.

Sure it’s true in the sense that some girls you never had a chance with or that better looking guys have more options and it’s easier, but even they can turn her off. You think chads are exempt from giving her the ick?

Idk black pill has crippled me.

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Idk black pill has crippled me.

same...

You think chads are exempt from giving her the ick?

true

I think when you look good enough, you’re better off being blue/red pilled.

In real life, all around me I see normal looking dudes with nice girlfriends or getting attention from girls at night.

true...

but bluepill usually means simping and getting ur energy drained like a battery

 

[whiteissuperior]

Why would they agree to a date if they didn’t like your looks. Seems like it was more to do with your personality tbh. Plus if they’re open to you’re touch they’re attracted to you.

I think when you look good enough, you’re better off being blue/red pilled.

In real life, all around me I see normal looking dudes with nice girlfriends or getting attention from girls at night.

Black pill thinks that attraction works the same way it does for men. Like you look at a girl and immediately want to sleep with her. Which is not the case. Her attraction is like a switch and you got to press the right buttons.

Sure it’s true in the sense that some girls you never had a chance with or that better looking guys have more options and it’s easier, but even they can turn her off. You think chads are exempt from giving her the ick?

Idk black pill has crippled me.

Many girls will agree to go on a date you if they don’t like your looks

 

[Gonthar]

Why would they agree to a date if they didn’t like your looks. Seems like it was more to do with your personality tbh. Plus if they’re open to you’re touch they’re attracted to you.

Because they had plenty of other options available, a date means nothing in this day and age to a girl, she can date a different guy or even several of them every day until she finds the best one...
Kissing again isn't such a big deal, with a little luck I might have even got lucky with a one night stand, and had sex with one of those girls, but I would have still been ghosted after that, I actually heard a girl in college talking about such an experience - met a guy in a club, went to his place, they had sex, but then decided she doesn't like him enough to see him again...

 

[Deleted member 15556]

same...

true

true...

but bluepill usually means simping and getting ur energy drained like a battery

If you look decent simping and jestermaxxing will actually have the opposite effect. If she thinks you look good she already expects you to be getting girls and have lots of options.

By simping or overly jestermaxxing you’re setting your value below hers. You gotta unironically be confident and act like you’re the shit.

At the end of the day it’s a numbers game. Even for chad

 

[TrestIsBest]

It depends. In real life it is 99% your looks.
On dating apps, it's maybe 60% your looks.

Nvm, I get what you mean now

 

[DrTony]

Because they had plenty of other options available, a date means nothing in this day and age to a girl, she can date a different guy or even several of them every day until she finds the best one...
Kissing again isn't such a big deal, with a little luck I might have even got lucky with a one night stand, and had sex with one of those girls, but I would have still been ghosted after that, I actually heard a girl in college talking about such an experience - met a guy in a club, went to his place, they had sex, but then decided she doesn't like him enough to see him again...

This is the correct answer. Even a ONS if she ghosts after doesn’t guarantee there was ever full attraction. A date means literally nothing

 

[Deprived]

It depends. In real life it is 99% your looks.
On dating apps, it's maybe 60% your looks.

Opposite tbh

 

[Deleted member 3679]

Many girls will agree to go on a date you if they don’t like your looks

Not true... if they are straight up turned off by you obviously they won't talk to you, BUT if they are 'meh' on your looks they will agree to go on a date with you. They can even hook up with you and drop your ass when a better option comes along, it's just the dating world. Even sex honestly doesn't mean much... as long as you aren't ugly she will hook up with you if she is drunk and horny.

 

[whiteissuperior]

Not true... if they are straight up turned off by you obviously they won't talk to you, BUT if they are 'meh' on your looks they will agree to go on a date with you. They can even hook up with you and drop your ass when a better option comes along, it's just the dating world. Even sex honestly doesn't mean much... as long as you aren't ugly she will hook up with you if she is drunk and horny.

if she is actively turned off by you, she still may date you for

A) betabux
B) bored and nothing to do and wants to go to a nice restaurant and have a good time
C) you're in the friendzone, and she doesn't kmow its a date
D) shes been pumped and dumped by Chad too many times, and is now ocnvincing herself ugly men will treat her better


But other than that I agree wit the rest of this post. IN 2022, the only IOIs are

A) A girk asking YOU out
B) Her bragging about you to her friends
C) Her liking your dick so much that she wants to share it with her friends (it happens to Chad, I've seen it)
D) her threatening to kill herself if you leave her
E) her begging for sex with you

Past the age of like, 19, sex isnt special to 99% of foids, and most girls will hook up with any guy up to 1.5 points below their looks level cuz saying no is too much effort and they have nothing better to do. Sex is like a handshake to most modern women

 

[.👽.]

Dating is pretty easy. i say hi to girls and they run away. what could be the problem?

 

[thecel]

This is the correct answer. Even a ONS if she ghosts after doesn’t guarantee there was ever full attraction. A date means literally nothing

 

[loksr]

Lol if you think chadlites have to watch their words

 

[PushingTheLimits]

its all about looks
game is fucking cope.
no amount of game will make an average dude or ugly subhuman desired by a girl

 

[Deleted member 17829]

This is the correct answer. Even a ONS if she ghosts after doesn’t guarantee there was ever full attraction. A date means literally nothing

i dont see why they can have sex and date but not feel full attraction. theyre acting like alpha male men who beat and delete ugly girls. its disgusting.

 

[DrTony]

i dont see why they can have sex and date but not feel full attraction. theyre acting like alpha male men who beat and delete ugly girls. its disgusting.

In my real life experience (and interpretation) lots of girls will have sex with you if you pass the looks threshold and she is horny enough at the moment, but won’t pursue further if she is not fully attracted to you and you are not 100% to her taste/liking . It will be a one off. With enough experience and slays and exposure you will reach the same conclusion. Other users feel free to jump in on that one

 

[Deleted member 17829]

In my real life experience (and interpretation) lots of girls will have sex with you if you pass the looks threshold and she is horny enough at the moment, but won’t pursue further if she is not fully attracted to you and you are not 100% to her taste/liking . It will be a one off. With enough experience and slays and exposure you will reach the same conclusion. Other users feel free to jump in on that one

damn thats sad and explains my experiences.

 

[DrTony]

damn thats sad and explains my experiences.

Have you had girls sleep with you and then ghost you? If yes, that’s probably it. She would be meh. If a girl doesn’t sleep with you at all, she is actively repulsed by you at varying degrees. Securing a date means nothing and as the other user has said it can be due to some of those four factors
“
A) betabux
B) bored and nothing to do and wants to go to a nice restaurant and have a good time
C) you're in the friendzone, and she doesn't kmow its a date
D) shes been pumped and dumped by Chad too many times, and is now ocnvincing herself ugly men will treat her better”

Imagine how irrelevant a simple match is now, if actual sex doesn’t mean all that much

 

[user47283]

if she is actively turned off by you, she still may date you for

A) betabux
B) bored and nothing to do and wants to go to a nice restaurant and have a good time
C) you're in the friendzone, and she doesn't kmow its a date
D) shes been pumped and dumped by Chad too many times, and is now ocnvincing herself ugly men will treat her better


But other than that I agree wit the rest of this post. IN 2022, the only IOIs are

A) A girk asking YOU out
B) Her bragging about you to her friends
C) Her liking your dick so much that she wants to share it with her friends (it happens to Chad, I've seen it)
D) her threatening to kill herself if you leave her
E) her begging for sex with you

Past the age of like, 19, sex isnt special to 99% of foids, and most girls will hook up with any guy up to 1.5 points below their looks level cuz saying no is too much effort and they have nothing better to do. Sex is like a handshake to most modern women

if girls dated guys they're actively turned off by this forum wouldn't exist

 

[DrTony]

if girls dated guys they're actively turned off by this forum wouldn't exist

Dated meaning go out on a first date. This literally means nothing in terms of her attraction towards you .

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Have you had girls sleep with you and then ghost you? If yes, that’s probably it. She would be meh. If a girl doesn’t sleep with you at all, she is actively repulsed by you at varying degrees. Securing a date means nothing and as the other user has said it can be due to some of those four factors
“
A) betabux
B) bored and nothing to do and wants to go to a nice restaurant and have a good time
C) you're in the friendzone, and she doesn't kmow its a date
D) shes been pumped and dumped by Chad too many times, and is now ocnvincing herself ugly men will treat her better”

Imagine how irrelevant a simple match is now, if actual sex doesn’t mean all that much

yes ive slept with multiple girls within the last year who have ghosted me right after (even after seeming to really like me and having a decent performance in bed) its like they are playing me,how an alpha chad would do to one of his many side hoes.

this is what happens when we give women the power and dont slut shame anymore. they will fuck and chuck all non-chads like alpha males.

 

[whiteissuperior]

if girls dated guys they're actively turned off by this forum wouldn't exist

they do, date them, theyre literally called betabux. You're all just A) Too young, and B) too awkward to experience it

 

[Bonez]

its all about looks
game is fucking cope.
no amount of game will make an average dude or ugly subhuman desired by a girl

this.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

if girls dated guys they're actively turned off by this forum wouldn't exist

Girls go on dates with guys they're turned off by all the time. If he spends enough money and acts beta enough, she might give him starfish sex on the third date.

 

[444]

ok I didn't read the thread but game doesn't exist. you're not supposed to talk to a girl over text after matching, ur supposed to ask to meetup. if she says no, ur not attractive enough

 

[DrTony]

yes ive slept with multiple girls within the last year who have ghosted me right after (even after seeming to really like me and having a decent performance in bed) its like they are playing me,how an alpha chad would do to one of his many side hoes.

this is what happens when we give women the power and dont slut shame anymore. they will fuck and chuck all non-chads like alpha males.

Same with me. Where you at? California? Lol.

Anyhow, to be fair. If you get multiple slays consistently, it means you are in the top 20%. However if they ghost you consistently you are not in the top 1-5% where girls go crazy and obsess over. If you don’t get slays regularly you are in the bottom 80%. Destined for betabuxxing and massive dry spells. How is your face, height, physique, pheno?

 

[Deleted member 15302]

u think thats most likely the problem?

yes. game: casually making it clear that you are interested in a relationship/pursuing her romantically/sexually the first day so you can get rejected if she wouldn't be willing to fuck you (move on to the next). it works for HTN because if a girl is sexually attracted to you varies from girl to girl.

always remember, nothing you say after the first look, the first 10 seconds will change if they are sexually attracted to you or not. you could walk up to a girl and say "i have 900 million dollars" but if your a 5'7 normie, shes still not gonna get wet for you. by being funny, confident, rich, or anything good at all you are DEFYING NATURE in her eyes and you are EVIL for being in a position where the druggy no ambition chad fuckboy should be. if she doesnt believe your face indicates high T (attracted to you), she will believe you arent meant to have that high T personality or position.

find out if a girl is attracted to you in the first DAY. if you are truly a HTN+ then the results will vary and for some girls, you will be that guy that just comes in and confidently takes her as if you knew you bagged her before she even said anything.

EDIT: this isnt redpill, this is just being aware of blackpill and using it to your advantage

 

[chadmanlet04]

You can relax, it's your looks that determine the outcome, I used to have great game, and still didn't get anywhere...I approached online and in real life hundreds of girls and went on dates with dozens of them.

Around a third of these dates were really painful, the conversation went absolutely nowhere - I would ask a question about them or their life and get just a short conversation ending response. I would say something about me, or a funny story, a joke, an observation, etc. and their only reaction was "OK...", "Right....", Uh-huh..." followed by awkward silence - it was very cringy, I didn't know how to get out of there faster...
In another third of dates the conversation would go pretty well - they would answer, ask me things back in return, make various observations to the things I said, etc., but they kept their distance and had an overly polite or business-like tone of voice; whenever I would try to get closer to them, flirt or push things further they kept their distance or acted like they didn't understand where I was trying to get, etc.... These kind of dates always left me scratching my head - I didn't know where exactly I was standing and what to do after this: should I call these girls back or what...?
The last third of dates however would go amazingly well: the conversation would flow very smoothly, we would discover we had many things in common, I would have funny or witty things to reply to whatever they said, I would quickly get close to them - flirt, say seductive things, while they giggled, then I would touch them, hug them, kiss them, and they seemed to enjoy it a lot. After the date was over, I would go home happy, thinking I just got myself a new girlfriend. But here's the thing: in almost all of these cases the end result was the same: I was ghosted, ended in the friendzone or receive some bullshit excuse like: "I'm so busy right now, I just don't have time for a relationship", "You're a great guy, but I like you more as a friend", etc...
I had no idea what was happening here, since I did everything perfectly, until I discovered the blackpill and realized that no amount of 'game' can compensate for your looks - the difference between a friend and a boyfriend is determined by your looks. Period!

yes this is true. if you are on this boat, for the sake of nothing losing your sanity, just keep women around to have platonic bonds. granted there is no romance and no sex, but better than nothing I guess.

 

[Deleted member 17763]

Even chad is gonna have most convos fizzle out before getting a meetup on dating apps. The biggest factor is essentially what you should think of as random chance, which can consist of a million things you have no control over. Timing, her mood, whether Chad texted her back that day, whatever. Women have sex for a million different reasons and they'll reject you for a trillion different reasons, even chad gets rejected far more often than not. The difference is just that his success rate is relatively much higher.

If you want to meet attractive women, it's going to be a grind and a numbers game, and on dating apps that fact just gets ramped up tenfold. There's no way around it, all you can do is try your best not to take it personally because it truly isn't personal most the time

 

[Linoob]

it’s both duh

x = loox , y = game , z = her attraction

x + y = z

what increases in x and y can make z bigger? increasing x, y, or both x and y.

except the fundamental law that x > y

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

except the fundamental law that x > y

and that z = you're incel

 

[Deleted member 5799]

For your looks 99%

If you were 10/10 you could say you enjoy sodomizing corpses and still get laid with her




And then with her body

 

[thecel]

except the fundamental law that x > y

I know what you mean, but just LOL at that logic