Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide - The truth about debloating

jeremyy said:
I wasn’t gonna take it anyway you friendless incel and I’m not Ltn im MTN. You should die
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Then why are you asking if you can take it?
I’m just saying it’s stupid to take it and it has long term risk especially during puberty
 
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You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.
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How do you do that? By bloodwork?
 
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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good thread
 
Eplerenone didnt work for me, am I supposed to just blast 400mg everyday and is it any better than hctz?
 
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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tbh i didnt understood shit, how Eplerenone going to debloat me permanently if its recomended to take it once a day
 
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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or you like take 100-400 mg of Eplerenone and stay debloated for how long???for the rest of your life??obviously no so wdtm
 
bruhtoobrutal said:
Good thread man, Ordered Eplerenone a couple of days ago for the first time to combat bloating from some of the stuff i’m taking. Hope it works and goes well :owo:
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Did you order without a prescription?
 
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Good thread man, Ordered Eplerenone a couple of days ago for the first time to combat bloating from some of the stuff i’m taking. Hope it works and goes well :owo:
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assuming youre in the us, where could I find some without a prescription?
 
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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Holy shit bro just drink coconut wated and dont eat sodium it aint that deep and eat food thats easy to digest
 
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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does Eplerenone have any health consequences or does it affect sports perfomance in anyway?
 
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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Ty bra now imma let this interviewer ovulate
 
lovepillmaxing said:
Great thread, recently got my hands on Eplerenone. I'm thinking of running 50mg morning and right before i fall asleep, I have enough to last me about 6 days, might get more if it works out.
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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It feels like ilegal when i read this for free
 
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400mg epe a day even w indiamart prices is brutal ngl. Would cost me like 8 aud a day
 
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Then why are you asking if you can take it?
I’m just saying it’s stupid to take it and it has long term risk especially during puberty
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how many times do i have to say it just take crystal meth
 
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I will try to simplify it, theoretically adding HCG would be a good holistic approach to increase your E2 systemically and get it in the high-range with a quantity of other benefits.

I'm sure you heard of Anavar, it is the least androgenic compound there is meaning it won't negatively impact your hair or skin and actually do quite the opposite.

It is proven to increase collagen production.

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The Effect of Oxandrolone Treatment on Human Osteoblastic Cells - PMC

Objective: Oxandrolone, administered to severely burned children over the first year postburn, produces increased lean body mass by 6 months; however, an increase in total body bone mineral requires 12 months. Consequently, this bone mineral ...
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BPC-157 is also a great option.

"The specimens were histologically assessed for collagen, reticulin and blood vessels using scoring and morphometry. In all experiments significant differences between BPC 157-treated animals and controls were found, showing a strong, promoting involvement of BPC in the healing process."

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BPC 157's effect on healing - PubMed

The 15 amino acid agent BPC 157, showing a wide range of organoprotective action in different experimental models, was used in our experiments in order to establish its influence on different elements connected with the healing process. Elements thought to be of greatest importance in the...
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It also increases the the GH-Receptor sensitivity meaning if you were to combine it with GH you would achieve even better synergestic results.

Pentadecapeptide BPC 157 Enhances the Growth Hormone Receptor Expression in Tendon Fibroblasts - PMC

BPC 157, a pentadecapeptide derived from human gastric juice, has been demonstrated to promote the healing of different tissues, including skin, muscle, bone, ligament and tendon in many animal studies. However, the underlying mechanism has not been ...
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GH itself is also great to stimulate collagen production. I guess the collagen benefits from the BPC-157 may even be mediated by the increased GH efficiency in stimulating collagensynthesis.

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Growth hormone stimulates the collagen synthesis in human tendon and skeletal muscle without affecting myofibrillar protein synthesis - PMC

In skeletal muscle and tendon the extracellular matrix confers important tensile properties and is crucially important for tissue regeneration after injury. Musculoskeletal tissue adaptation is influenced by mechanical loading, which modulates the ...
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I was originally referring to the GHK-Cu injectable and yes, it's even better than the topical in most cases considering the limitations most vehicles used have.

I wish you were able to use topical treatments man. MEP would be great, doesn't even have any side effects. @Clavicular you may want to look into this.

"MEP was applied to the face twice daily for 14 weeks but was metabolized in the skin to an inactive compound avoiding estrogen side effects, as demonstrated by the safety study."

"The efficacy study investigator noted MEP induced statistically significant improvement from baseline at week 14 in dryness (P<0.001), laxity (P=0.001), atrophy (P=0.003), and dullness (P<0.001) as compared to vehicle."

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A Double-Blind Randomized Pilot Study Evaluating the Safety and Efficacy of Topical MEP in the Facial Appearance Improvement of Estrogen Deficient Females - PubMed

Facial skin aging is accelerated in postmenopausal females due to decreased collagen, reduced hydration, and loss of skin elasticity constituting the characteristics of estrogen deficient skin (EDS). The presence of estrogen receptors on dermal fibroblasts and epidermal keratinocytes confirms...
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Is i-PRF really not available in France? Would be a great option to treat AGA.

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Injectable-Platelet-Rich Fibrin-Smart Blood with Stem Cells for the Treatment of Alopecia: A Report of Three Patients - PMC

Hair loss or alopecia in males is very common, and so is its treatment. Until now, platelet-rich plasma has been in use for hair regeneration, which has shown results but lacks regenerative potential as compared to platelet-rich fibrin (PRF). ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Taz is one of the more tolerable topical retinoids. I would really recommend you to look into it, maybe it's a good option for you. Start with a lower dosage if you do and apply it every few days.

@DORIAN @mathis

Epleronone is potassium-sparing meaning supplementing any additional potassium is unnecessary, which we don't want anyway as we are trying to get rid of water and electrolytes.

Use it in the morning next time and use 80mg Furosemide a few hours before the time window you want to be debloated in. Don't drink much during that day don't consume any electrolytes.

After the time window passed immediately supplement with electrolytes and drink water, though in moderation.
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Aldosterone upregulates a lot during chronic eplerenone exposure no? And 100-500mg is overdose idk where that came from 25-50mg is ideal for constant downregulation of aldosterone
 
Where did u order it from
 
SlayerJonas said:
View attachment 3709760
Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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Thank you so much
 
SlayerJonas said:
View attachment 3709760
Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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What about torsemide and bumetanide? I know bumetanide is a bit too much but torsemide would prolly be better than furosemide cuz of its longer half life-its a bit more potent than furosemide-its bioavailability is more predictable and high and also it has a lower risk of lowering bp as much
 
Isn't torasemide superior to furosemide in literally every way?
 
Best place to acquire some furosemide?
 
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View attachment 3709760
Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

View attachment 3709832

We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

View attachment 3709855View attachment 3709856

There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

View attachment 3709879

In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
[10]




How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



@chadisbeingmade @Magnum Opus @Orc @Clavicular @halloweed
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Torasemide is stronger and is longer lasting
 
Ppl think debloating can ascend them while they are chilling at 25% Body fat ,boneless, eating Goyslop all day jfl
 
TheManTheCave said:
Torasemide is longer lasting. But its as strong as torasemide.
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Furthermore torasemide does not cause such a strong compensatory activation of RAAS (return of edema with double force) as furosemide does. Torasemide is stronger acts longer and more gently removes less potassium does not cause a strong rebound and less tolerance develops to it
 
Is such high dosage really needed when the normal dosage for eplerenone is 50mg?
 
Just drink water my nigga
 
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Debloating guide – A deep dive into Epleronone and Furosemide
The truth about debloating
Part 4



Introduction
The prerequisite to this thread is being at a low bf%, optimally around around 8-12%. If you aren’t lean, what the fuck are you doing?

Be aware that during development cutting too hard will be contraproductive. Only proceed with this thread if you are aware of that.

Debloating is one of the best techniques to drastically improve your looks, you’ll look as lean as you really are.

This thread will cover real methods to stay chiseled.


Common misinformations about debloating
There is a lot of BS out there when it comes to debloating, be it drinking more water to flush out the extra sodium.

Keep in mind debloating is temporary, partially. You should never drain your body of water and electrolytes for extended periods.

Prolonged dehydration is linked to health complications like chronic kidney disease.[1]


What causes bloating?
The mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) is the primary mediator of the fluid, electrolyte and hemodynamic homeostasis of the body. It is part of the RAAS.

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We can directly modify the body's fluid homeostasis by influencing the ligands of the MR.

The primary endogenous agonist of the MR is aldosterone. Progesterone and cortisol both bind to the MR with similar affinity, though they appear to have low agonistic activity. This could be because progesterone is converted into inactive compounds[2] and cortisol is deactivated by renal cells expressing 11β-HSD2, which converts it into cortisone.[3]

Steroid users experience bloating primarily because of increased renin and angiotensin II levels, both of which are part of the RAAS, leading to an increase in aldosterone. High E2 levels also cause bloating, as estradiol increases angiotensinogen.[4]

Insulin also causes bloating by activating the RAAS and reducing ANP.[5]

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There are plenty of other compounds that cause bloating including minoxidil. Fortunately, there is a solution to all of this.


How to permanently debloat
The great thing about modifying the MR pathway directly is that it is the holy grail for negating bloating from most of the compounds you use in your Looksmaxxing journey.

There are several MR antagonists like Eplerenone, Spironolactone and Finerenone. They all vary in parameters like selectivity and effectiveness.

Spironolactone is one of the least selective MR antagonists, meaning it has a non-negligible binding affinity to other receptors like the AR, PR and ER, making it one of the worst options.[6]

In fact, Spironolactone could be compared to anti-androgen treatment with cyproterone acetate.[7]

Eplerenone on the other hand was structurally derived from Spironolactone. It has a slightly weaker binding affinity to the MR but is more selective with only minimal binding affinity to other receptors, making it the best choice.[8]

Other MR antagonists like Finerenone are worth considering, but the best option would be to just stick with Eplerenone.


Dosages for Epleronone
Now for the fun part: Experiment with a dosage of 25-50mg first to check for drug tolerance. Increase that dose to a max. of 200-400mg depending on parameters like bloating and secondarily blood pressure.[8.5] You can take Eplerenone long-term without any significant side effects except for disregulated electrolytes. Seriously, keep them in check.

to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to serious side effects such as ototoxicity.

The best time of the day to use Eplerenone is in the morning, when your aldosterone levels spike.[9]

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In fact, Eplerenone may even be a great addition to support your cardiovascular health, as it does the following:
- Reduces coronary vascular inflammation and oxidative stress
- Improves endothelial function, ventricular remodeling, norepinephrine uptake, and heart rate variability
- Attenuates platelet aggregation
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How to temporarily debloat
A stronger and temporary alternative to MR antagonists are the so called loop diuretics. They work by inhibiting sodium and chloride reabsorption in the kidneys, thus promoting the excretion of water and electrolytes.

The most commonly used loop diuretic is furosemide. Keep in mind that dosages vary drastically between different diuretics. 40mg of furosemide is equivalent to 20mg of torsemide and 1mg of bumetanide.[11]

You should only use loop diuretics temporarily, as they may result in side effects like ototoxicity (loss of hearing)[12, 13]. Also check for possible drug interactions.


Dosages for furosemide
Typical dosages of furosemide in studies range from 20 to 120mg. I would strictly advise against dosages above 120mg.[14]

Take the furosemide a few hours before the time window in which you want to be debloated. Also try to reduce your water and electrolyte intake throughout the day.


Conclusion
to permanently stay debloated take 100-400mg of Eplerenone depending on the severity of the water retention. Just be aware of potential electrolyte dysregulation and DYOR.

To debloat temporarily consider using a loop diuretic like furosemide. The ideal dose would be between 40-80mg taken a few hours before the desired time window. Don’t forget that abuse of this compound can lead to side effects such as ototoxicity.



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great thread, deserves a bookmark
 
Mirin the effort, Lean is Law
 
hey bro sorry to ask, but is 100-400mg really gonna debloat me PERMANENTLY? or would it kill me
SlayerJonas said:
No problem bro. It's a prescription drug yeah, but you can find it on some shady websites. Indiamart has Eplerenone for example, it's pretty easy to buy from there too.
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hey bro sorry to ask, but is 100-400mg really gonna debloat me PERMANENTLY? or would it kill me
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no it wont permanenlty debloat you. You should take low dose-consistent-long term if u wanna stay permanently debloated. And Furo is for an event but i would suggest HCTZ because furo is very strong and might fuck up ur eye area if used too much. But if ur gonna Use it very RARELY then go ahead
 
Azie555 said:
no it wont permanenlty debloat you. You should take low dose-consistent-long term if u wanna stay permanently debloated. And Furo is for an event but i would suggest HCTZ because furo is very strong and might fuck up ur eye area if used too much. But if ur gonna Use it very RARELY then go ahead
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mirin the reply bro 🥹 but sorry im abit new to all of this I just starteed researching 2 hours ago, wdym by event?
 
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mirin the reply bro 🥹 but sorry im abit new to all of this I just starteed researching 2 hours ago, wdym by event?
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i mean like if ur gonna go date a girl,or you just wanna mog the next family photo etc.
 
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