Debunking Myths About How Women View Male Attractiveness (With Studies)

[Deleted member 7580]

I have never seen someone under 50 say this.

YouTube shorts
Comments are full of young guys

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Just a reminder that being a guy that's only tolerated for STR's(aka "male gaze") means women find you sexually attractive and not as a betabuxx orbiter.

 

[Amnesia]

just be as close to this as possible for the max amount of UNIVERSAL appeal . It's not hard to understand

 

[Deleted member 8365]

Excellent thread, agree with everything.

For visualization purposes:

Face in the middle (Att/Hth-LTM) mogs

Face on the right mogs.

Ideal physique for most women:

The sooner you male gaze copers accept it, the better your life will be.

I’m mad maxed and the most handsome white gu on earth , how do you explain that?

 

[Deleted member 8365]

just be as close to this as possible for the max amount of UNIVERSAL appeal . It's not hard to understand

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That’s a FTM tranny btw

 

[softlysoftly]

just be as close to this as possible for the max amount of UNIVERSAL appeal . It's not hard to understand

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surprise surprise he has stubble, tattoos, broad shoulder and good neck and body, and more of a low trust than high trust cuck face
he is also proof that you can look youthful and masculine at the same time

 

[Xangsane]

just be as close to this as possible for the max amount of UNIVERSAL appeal . It's not hard to understand

View attachment 1955532

surprise surprise he has stubble, tattoos, broad shoulder and good neck and body, and more of a low trust than high trust cuck face
he is also proof that you can look youthful and masculine at the same time

White people trying to look a little mixed, again.
But isn't this classic North Atlantid Henry Cavill?

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Do you know how many guys think Dwayne Johnson is a peak male or Tate is a pussy wetter or you need a cbum physique for girls

One of my cousins actually admitted to having a crush on the rock since they were 13.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

just be as close to this as possible for the max amount of UNIVERSAL appeal . It's not hard to understand

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Something something, have excellent levels of dimorphism with great signs of youthfulness and health.

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

majority of your thread is like a massive strawman
you prop up arguments and claims I never made and them proceed to dismantle them, classic strawman

for example 'body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal'
Clarification: I never said body hair was an attraction boost, I only said facial hair specifically STUBBLE is what makes you more attractive especially in the context of slaying

another example 'bodybuilder body is the most attractive'
Clarification: that statement was never made by me and that statement itself is a broad generalization
both of these guys are considered bodybuilders
View attachment 1954973View attachment 1954974
but Jesse the guy on left would be what most women consider to be more attractive


there is no 'toleration' you retard you are either deliberately misrepresenting the literature to push your own narrative or just low iq and low comprehension
these are the men that they actually want but these men are hard to keep and tend to not commit to only one woman @VeryFuglyNiyguhs

the guys that women choose for short term relationships are generally more fit and physically attractive compared to the men they choose for long term relationships

this distinction exists because the more physically attractive men have more options and are less likely to be monogamous and stick around to raise children and pay bills therefore for long term relationships they choose the men more likely to commit and stick around these men tend to be comparatively less fit and physically attractive

the more chubby and undefined your lower third the longer the facial hair needs to be
if you are low bodyfat and have solid lower third bone structure then only a light layer of stubble is needed for maximum appeal
the length of facial hair is inversely proportional to the size and angularity of your lower third

mate his whole thread is a misrepresentation of other people's arguments and strawmans in order to like push his idea of what he thinks is ideal

you are like low iq asf if you think the only purpose of facial hair is to cover a weak lower third

Yes you are an idiot chherypicker faggot will do more harm than good to anybody with your roid abuse foolery

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

majority of your thread is like a massive strawman
you prop up arguments and claims I never made and them proceed to dismantle them, classic strawman

for example 'body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal'
Clarification: I never said body hair was an attraction boost, I only said facial hair specifically STUBBLE is what makes you more attractive especially in the context of slaying

another example 'bodybuilder body is the most attractive'
Clarification: that statement was never made by me and that statement itself is a broad generalization
both of these guys are considered bodybuilders
View attachment 1954973View attachment 1954974
but Jesse the guy on left would be what most women consider to be more attractive


there is no 'toleration' you retard you are either deliberately misrepresenting the literature to push your own narrative or just low iq and low comprehension
these are the men that they actually want but these men are hard to keep and tend to not commit to only one woman @VeryFuglyNiyguhs

the guys that women choose for short term relationships are generally more fit and physically attractive compared to the men they choose for long term relationships

this distinction exists because the more physically attractive men have more options and are less likely to be monogamous and stick around to raise children and pay bills therefore for long term relationships they choose the men more likely to commit and stick around these men tend to be comparatively less fit and physically attractive

the more chubby and undefined your lower third the longer the facial hair needs to be
if you are low bodyfat and have solid lower third bone structure then only a light layer of stubble is needed for maximum appeal
the length of facial hair is inversely proportional to the size and angularity of your lower third

mate his whole thread is a misrepresentation of other people's arguments and strawmans in order to like push his idea of what he thinks is ideal

you are like low iq asf if you think the only purpose of facial hair is to cover a weak lower third

Pretty boy on average are masculine because of their tallness and stature.
You are not a masculinity copers but you are just a muscle copers banded with roid abuse cope argument type

215 cm tall Skinny SANDNIGGER WITH 18 INCHES COKE SHAFT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVERY COPES THAT YOU TRIED

 

[Blackgymmax]

Well duh. Having striking features

Excellent thread, agree with everything.

For visualization purposes:

Face in the middle (Att/Hth-LTM) mogs

Face on the right mogs.

Ideal physique for most women:

The sooner you male gaze copers accept it, the better your life will be.

I dunno tbh. I think he should be 15lbs bigger. I mean with his face he just halos the body. Try using an htn face on tinder and seeing if his face gets halod by that.

 

[Blackgymmax]

majority of your thread is like a massive strawman
you prop up arguments and claims I never made and them proceed to dismantle them, classic strawman

for example 'body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal'
Clarification: I never said body hair was an attraction boost, I only said facial hair specifically STUBBLE is what makes you more attractive especially in the context of slaying

another example 'bodybuilder body is the most attractive'
Clarification: that statement was never made by me and that statement itself is a broad generalization
both of these guys are considered bodybuilders
View attachment 1954973View attachment 1954974
but Jesse the guy on left would be what most women consider to be more attractive


there is no 'toleration' you retard you are either deliberately misrepresenting the literature to push your own narrative or just low iq and low comprehension
these are the men that they actually want but these men are hard to keep and tend to not commit to only one woman @VeryFuglyNiyguhs

the guys that women choose for short term relationships are generally more fit and physically attractive compared to the men they choose for long term relationships

this distinction exists because the more physically attractive men have more options and are less likely to be monogamous and stick around to raise children and pay bills therefore for long term relationships they choose the men more likely to commit and stick around these men tend to be comparatively less fit and physically attractive

the more chubby and undefined your lower third the longer the facial hair needs to be
if you are low bodyfat and have solid lower third bone structure then only a light layer of stubble is needed for maximum appeal
the length of facial hair is inversely proportional to the size and angularity of your lower third

mate his whole thread is a misrepresentation of other people's arguments and strawmans in order to like push his idea of what he thinks is ideal

you are like low iq asf if you think the only purpose of facial hair is to cover a weak lower third

Yeh im pretty sure jesse is peak Male physique

 

[Blackgymmax]

Spot on.

Yeh thats why retards on here think that chico isn't that gl. He IS THAT GOOD LOOKING BECAUSE HES SO AVERAGELY HANDSOME

 

[softlysoftly]

Yes you are an idiot chherypicker faggot will do more harm than good to anybody with your roid abuse foolery

OP is the person employing strawman arguments and what exactly did I cherry-pick?

not a masculinity copers but you are just a muscle copers banded with roid abuse

you are talking to a 6'4 man
and increased muscle mass is indeed masculine you moron and I also mentioned in my other thread things like frame, voice, facial hair, and muscle
and I never told anyone to abuse roids whats wrong with you?

Yeh im pretty sure jesse is peak Male physique

sarcasm? I just used him and ronnie as examples to show how 'bodybuilder' is a broad term with one having more appeal than the other despite both being bodybuilders

 

[Blackgymmax]

OP is the person employing strawman arguments and what exactly did I cherry-pick?

you are talking to a 6'4 man
and increased muscle mass is indeed masculine you moron and I also mentioned in my other thread things like frame, voice, facial hair, and muscle
and I never told anyone to abuse roids whats wrong with you?

sarcasm? I just used him and ronnie as examples to show how 'bodybuilder' is a broad term with one having more appeal than the other despite both being bodybuilders

No, jesses body has extreme appeal fr lol

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

OP is the person employing strawman arguments and what exactly did I cherry-pick?

you are talking to a 6'4 man
and increased muscle mass is indeed masculine you moron and I also mentioned in my other thread things like frame, voice, facial hair, and muscle
and I never told anyone to abuse roids whats wrong with you?

sarcasm? I just used him and ronnie as examples to show how 'bodybuilder' is a broad term with one having more appeal than the other despite both being bodybuilders

People as tall as you will get higher benefit by gymaxxxing than anyone else.
Not everybody in this forum is your clone so stop with your masculinity cope bullshit.
Apart from heightmaxxxing and maxillamaxxxing all your arguments are bullshit.
You are already a masculine person no doubt but it was your height that protecting you from a brutall reality of this clown world.
Also all you advice is garbage and will only usefull if being used by a man as tall as you.

 

[softlysoftly]

People as tall as you will get higher benefit by gymaxxxing than anyone else.

regardless it still benefits everyone's appearance and health to at least some extent so its still worth it

Not everybody in this forum is your clone so stop with your masculinity cope bullshit.

you don't have to be my clone all I said was to try being youthful and masculine at the same time

You are already a masculine person no doubt but it was your height that protecting you from a brutall reality of this clown world.

if you are seriously short like under 5'4 you are fucked but not everyone is below 5 feet tall if you are like 5'9 you can get 3in LL to get to 6 feet and then wear shoe lifts

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

regardless it still benefits everyone's appearance and health to at least some extent so its still worth it

you don't have to be my clone all I said was to try being youthful and masculine at the same time

if you are seriously short like under 5'4 you are fucked but not everyone is below 5 feet tall if you are like 5'9 you can get 3in LL to get to 6 feet and then wear shoe lifts

Fortunately I'm 1850 mm or 185 cm tall barefoot asian male tbh
I almost got scammed by those gymcopers sales tbh
Ngl i became very bitter when seeing a masculinity copers thinking changing body muscle will actually make foid attracted when in reality it was the bones structure that matters.

 

[softlysoftly]

Fortunately I'm 1850 mm or 185 cm tall barefoot asian male tbh
I almost got scammed by those gymcopers sales tbh
Ngl i became very bitter when seeing a masculinity copers thinking changing body muscle will actually make foid attracted when in reality it was the bones structure that matters.

its over my friend just find a good cope and live your life

 

[ArdaxHG]

I have cheekbones 404, worst of all.

And it is no cope. High CHeekbone preference is purely cultural.

This theory about "cheekbone protecting eye" is pure cope. If it is so important for "preference", how come shitty cheekbones still exist? They would have been bred from existence already. So no,I do not buy this "muh evolution" bullshit, sry

PS. Low cheekbones also protect the eye. And brow ridge protects the eye too. And THE ORBIT ITSLEF protects the eye. Cheekbone for any protection is cope. Statistically insignificant.

Jfl at your cope "cultural". Would you ever question why something such as cultural would go aroubd that way which makes higher cheekbones? Like literally without any reason? Do you really think social makeups can cheat on your brain?

No. Higher cheekbones itself is a dimorphic trait.Having hit on the skull either from front directly to eye or side of your face would cause severe damage and without a prpperly developed zygomatich arch and orbits your chance of surviving that hit would be lower. It also indicates health and proper development of the face. It even shows sth about your personality/physigonomy

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Height by far is the epitome of male masculinity

Masculinity copers = thinking they will be gigachad by doing mind changing useless cope.

Tallfag with horse shaft = The real masculinity itself with their own original mindset.In terms of sexual success, they will just slay without thinking about masculinity because they are already masculine JFL.

Height is a highly dimorphic trait in itself, a 6'2 lean dude is more dimorphic than a 5'6 gymcel

 

[Gargamel]

From my experience height and low bf are all you need to attract the majority of women in any significant sexual way.

When I wear tucked in shirts and show off my 1.85 shoulder to waist ratio at 6'5 it gets me the most iois.

When i'm wearing size mogger clothing that make me look like an ogre, i get dirty looks only from roasties 30+.

Bulking and massmaxing is cope.

 

[BucketCrab]

majority of your thread is like a massive strawman
you prop up arguments and claims I never made and them proceed to dismantle them, classic strawman

This thread is not specifically meant for you, though. You're only one of the many who need to read these studies.

another example 'bodybuilder body is the most attractive'
both of these guys are considered bodybuilders
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You, as have many others, have always posited that a very muscular body is the one that is most attractive.
You are the ones saying bodies like that on the left are ideal.
I gave you FIVE studies that not only prove the opposite, but that also prove how common it is for men to overestimate ideal muscularity for female preference.
What you will do with that information is up to you.
You want to say these studies don't count because they go against your narrative? Suit yourself. But that won't change the facts.

these are the men that they actually want but these men are hard to keep and tend to not commit to only one woman

the guys that women choose for short term relationships are generally more fit and physically attractive compared to the men they choose for long term relationships.

men misperceive that women would like more muscular men for short-term than for long-term relationships.​

https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451​

women showed no aversion to the idea of forming long-term relationships with attractive men. ​

Mate choice trade-offs and women's preference for physically attractive men - PubMed

Researchers studying human sexuality have repeatedly concluded that men place more emphasis on the physical attractiveness of potential mates than women do, particularly in long-term sexual relationships. Evolutionary theorists have suggested that this is the case because male mate value (the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

mate his whole thread is a misrepresentation of other people's arguments and strawmans in order to like push his idea of what he thinks is ideal

How am I misrepresenting things when all I'm doing is literally give you the researcher's opinions? I even plainly stated that most studies prove stubble is considered more attractive and that the claim that "body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal" has to be separated in twain - I found plenty of studies proving body hair isn't ideal, whereas most studies prove stubble is ideal.

What I gave after is just an interpretation of the data. Which is in no way meant to supplant the data.

 

[BucketCrab]

Just a reminder that being a guy that's only tolerated for STR's(aka "male gaze") means women find you sexually attractive and not as a betabuxx orbiter.

The degree of masculinity you need to be considered one is FAR lower than what you'd think.

 

[HerpDerpson]

These studies seemingly didn't control for the quality of women.
I trust my eyes. All the roidcels and bearded fucks on the streets are accompanied by 30 yo roasties. All young pretty girls are accompanied by young pretty boys.

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

These studies seemingly didn't control for the quality of women.
I trust my eyes. All the roidcels and bearded fucks on the streets are accompanied by 30 yo roasties. All young pretty girls are accompanied by young pretty boys.

It's a meme writing itself

 

[BucketCrab]

These studies seemingly didn't control for the quality of women.

Well, you can't really expect these scientists to only select attractive women, it would make things controversial and 20x as difficult.

Not to mention there's no real difference in what attractive and unattractive people find attractive. The ugly females still want Chad. The ugly males still want Stacy. They may be more willing to settle out of practicality, sure - but they perceive beauty the same way.

 

[softlysoftly]

women showed no aversion to the idea of forming long-term relationships with attractive men.

how can you like still fail to get what i am saying?
I never said women don't want attractive men for ltrs period. I said COMPARITIVELY the men they choose for strs will generally be more attractive and physically muscular compared to the men they generally choose for ltrs.
it is relative meaning in comparison, you are making it look like I said they want fat ugly men for ltrs which is not what I meant at all.

if you were to like look at all the men a woman chose for strs and then compare it to the men she chose for ltrs the men in the str category would on average be more attractive and fit comapared to the men in the ltr category.

 

[BucketCrab]

If you were to like look at all the men a woman chose for strs and then compare it to the men she chose for ltrs the men in the str category would on average be more attractive and fit comapared to the men in the ltr category.

True! but they wouldn't have to be nearly as muscular as you seem to think they should.

men misperceive that women would like more muscular men for short-term than for long-term relationships.
https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

I wonder when you're going to address the main point of my last post, by the way.

I gave you FIVE studies that not only prove the opposite, but that also prove how common it is for men to overestimate ideal muscularity for female preference.

 

[softlysoftly]

True! but they wouldn't have to be nearly as muscular as you seem to think they should.

men misperceive that women would like more muscular men for short-term than for long-term relationships.
https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

I wonder when you're going to address the main point of my last post, by the way.

these researchers must be retarded because for whatever reason they keep using 3d models or people who are SHIRTLESS
they need to like conduct research with real men who are wearing everyday clothes
the reason is because we want the halo effect of muscles even when wearing clothes this is where my demand for size comes from
the same bodies that look lean and impressive without clothes tend to look borderline dyel in clothes

 

[BucketCrab]

these researchers must be retarded because for whatever reason they keep using 3d models or people who are SHIRTLESS
they need to like conduct research with real men who are wearing everyday clothes
the reason is because we want the halo effect of muscles even when wearing clothes this is where my demand for size comes from
the same bodies that look lean and impressive without clothes tend to look borderline dyel in clothes

Had the studies been done with pictures of "real men wearing everyday clothes", you'd have come up with yet another reason why the studies are inaccurate - it would have been the sample size, or the country of the surveyed women, or you'd have blamed it on women being on birth control and having skewed preferences because of that.

Fact is; all these studies prove that men overestimate the amount of muscularity women find most attractive. When faced with this evidence, some men simply accept that our desire to be the biggest man in the room and mog other males is a male power fantasy and not a female sexual fantasy. Other men, well, they type posts like yours.

That's all there is to this debate, really.

 

[Buci]

Excellent thread, agree with everything.

For visualization purposes:

Face in the middle (Att/Hth-LTM) mogs

Face on the right mogs.

Ideal physique for most women:

The sooner you male gaze copers accept it, the better your life will be.

These face simulations are garbage. The "manly" examples are simply ugly, nothing to do with manliness.

Think manly is ugly? Look at guts from Berserk. There are literal cults of bitches analyzing every panel for decades. And he's as masculine as it gets.

So low iq it hurts

 

[softlysoftly]

Had the studies been done with pictures of "real men wearing everyday clothes", you'd have come up with yet another reason why the studies are inaccurate - it would have been the sample size, or the country of the surveyed women, or you'd have blamed it on women being on birth control and having skewed preferences because of that.

Fact is; all these studies prove that men overestimate the amount of muscularity women find most attractive. When faced with this evidence, some men simply accept that our desire to be the biggest man in the room and mog other males is a male power fantasy and not a female sexual fantasy. Other men, well, they type posts like yours.

That's all there is to this debate, really.

I could like give my personal experience but you would just dismiss it as anecdotal evidence so all I can say is to challenge you to get as big as you can, naturally of course, without crossing the 20% bodyfat range and see how many women become repulsed by you. I would be shocked to hear you getting rejected and repulsed by women due to your body being 'too muscular' or 'too big'.
its like impossible for 99% of natties to get 'too big' to where women find you disgusting so you need not fear thinking you have too much muscularity.

 

[BucketCrab]

I could like give my personal experience but you would just dismiss it as anecdotal evidence so all I can say is to challenge you to get as big as you can, naturally of course, without crossing the 20% bodyfat range and see how many women become repulsed by you. I would be shocked to hear you getting rejected and repulsed by women due to your body being 'too muscular' or 'too big'.
its like impossible for 99% of natties to get 'too big' to where women find you disgusting so you need not fear thinking you have too much muscularity.

Nobody is claiming you can get to the point of being so muscular you are repulsive as a natural, nor that muscular physiques are unattractive - only that peak appeal to female is a body that's not as muscular as many men think.

Pay attention to the words I've used: peak appeal. This doesn't mean a more muscular body looks like shit, or that no women will like it, or that women who'd prefer smaller bodies will reject you. It simply means that you don't need to be exceptionally muscular to be attractive.

 

[kalefartbomb]

All of these studies rely on stated preferences rather than revealed preferences, as such they are flawed.

 

[softlysoftly]

only that peak appeal to female is a body that's not as muscular as many men think.

once again you are like analyzing while shirtless
when you are wearing everyday clothes those same bodies look like they belong to a normal slim guy, you need women to know you have a good body even when wearing clothes thats why the size requirement is higher than you think. the size is not needed if we were to walk around shirtless 24/7 but that is obviously not our situation is it?

 

[BucketCrab]

once again you are like analyzing while shirtless
when you are wearing everyday clothes those same bodies look like they belong to a normal slim guy, you need women to know you have a good body even when wearing clothes thats why the size requirement is higher than you think. the size is not needed if we were to walk around shirtless 24/7 but that is obviously not our situation is it?

You don't need to literally tear the fabric of your clothes to make people know you have a good body, unless what you consider a "good body" is only a very muscular and bulky body - which, as the studies suggest, isn't ideal.
Legit wide shoulders and narrow hips is enough. A slender and athletic physique that looks healthy and harmonious.

The male obsession with "looking huge in clothes" leads to abominations like these:

Clothes that are specifically chosen to only highlight how muscular you are. Very low-class and off-putting, everyone knows what these guys are doing and it comes off as self-absorbed and autistic.

Compare to more slender but still muscular physiques in clothes:

These guys look "normal", sure. They don't look like they're musclebound beasts beneath the clothes, but they still look fit, vigorous and healthy, in a very subtle and classy way.

And this is only taking shirts into account; suits are even worse when you stretch the fabric.

 

[softlysoftly]

The male obsession with "looking huge in clothes" leads to abominations like these:

I would only consider these 2 to be sort of weird looking because the first has weird outfit and the 2nd looks like he's wearing leggings

these 2 look more appropriate and this is what I am referring to when I say 'look like you lift in clothes'

Clothes that are specifically chosen to only highlight how muscular you are. Very low-class and off-putting, everyone knows what these guys are doing and it comes off as self-absorbed and autistic.

muh 'very off-putting'
tell that to the numerous amounts of women both in relationships and not that literally grab my arms and caress my pecs in public

These guys look "normal", sure. They don't look like they're musclebound beasts beneath the clothes, but they still look fit, vigorous and healthy, in a very subtle and classy way.

and these guys will not have the added boost of muscle halo they will not have women caressing them and grabbing them
when I look like I lift in clothes it literally acts as a conversation starter with women and also an easy way to break the touch barrier
but go on and keep coping with 'muh classy and slender' muh 'subtle' that shit doesn't work if you want to illicit a sexually visceral response from women

 

[BucketCrab]

muh 'very off-putting'
tell that to the numerous amounts of women both in relationships and not that literally grab my arms and caress my pecs in public

and these guys will not have the added boost of muscle halo they will not have women caressing them and grabbing them
when I look like I lift in clothes it literally acts as a conversation starter with women and also an easy way to break the touch barrier
but go on and keep coping with 'muh classy and slender' muh 'subtle' that shit doesn't work if you want to illicit a sexually visceral response from women

You really like going back to anecdotal evidence.
Then let me try to make you understand things in a different way by giving you some of my anecdotal evidence.

I have pretty long hair. Like, past my shoulders long. I've had many girls and women ask me to touch it and sometimes even braid it (in more intimate situations), and it has acted as a conversation starter many times. It led me to a lot of easy lays.

Now - am I going around saying that every man should have long hair simply because it works for me? Of course not. Because I understand that attraction can't be boiled down to ONE feature that works the exact same way for everyone. Yes, some features can give you extra appeal, but it doesn't make any sense to disregard everything outside of one's own experience.

It's as if, if you were to tell me that most studies show that women aren't into long hair, I were to counter with "well, grow your hair long, and see by yourself - because I can tell you that in my experience, I get laid more with long hair than short hair". It just doesn't work that way, because everyone has to play to their strengths and gives a different vibe!
What works for me may not work for you, and vice-versa. All we can look at is the small sliver of evidence that studies give us, and studies tell us that you don't really need to be very muscular to be attractive - but obviously, there can be exceptions.

What I'm trying to get at is... are you facially attractive? interesting? tall? good sense of fashion, good conversationalist? all these things may explain why women come up to you and feel you up way more than the fact that "you look big in clothes".

 

[softlysoftly]

What I'm trying to get at is... are you facially attractive? interesting? tall? good sense of fashion, good conversationalist? all these things may explain why women come up to you and feel you up way more than the fact that "you look big in clothes".

yes I am tall at 6'4 my face is normie and dress minimalist meaning no fancy designer brands or flashy colors or excessive jewelry I just make sure it fits right and is at least somewhat color coordinated

you also have to realize I wasn't born jacked I used to be a skinny tall guy the only thing that has significantly changed about me is my body
the way women react to me when I look jacked in clothes vs when I was skinny is night and day despite everything else staying the same

when I wore loose baggy clothes I still got women and when I was skinny I still got women but the greatest success came when I started looking jacked in clothes despite everything else staying the same

 

[reptiles]

Height by far is the epitome of male masculinity

Masculinity copers = thinking they will be gigachad by doing mind changing useless cope.

Tallfag with horse shaft = The real masculinity itself with their own original mindset.In terms of sexual success, they will just slay without thinking about masculinity because they are already masculine JFL.

Height can only be fixed by injecting hgh growth hormone and othwr forms of halostetin these 3 delay the sealing of your gwroth plates.


Penis is down to ones intercellular matrix in the womb ones receptivity to androgens decides the overall length the penis will have genetically at puberty that being said TRT and HCG can massively help if your in that masculinizing stage.


For adults this shit is useless the other stuff that is promising is anti lysl oxidaze combined with vacuuming has shown to remodel the albungia tunica which helps in boosting penis growth through traction devices since your penis is filled with elastin you can keep stretching permanently.


Face is fhe hardest to fix because its 57 feautres dick and height work on a liner scale face doesn't because there are so many traits creates a handsome face

 

[FutureSlayer]

Just observe what kind of women makes your dick hard and see what other women gossip in their circles about their opinion on what they think is ideal for a men taste, you will find the same mistake pattern there.

I can relate 100% why guys like Gosling sometimes have more attention from women than models based on my own taste in women in regards to some htn faces being way more attractive to me in oposition to females with "stacy" faces

Like, i can recognize that prime Adriana Lima is arguably the most beautiful female, yet, htn faced latinas with big asses totally blown my mind and attract me way more in comparison to Adriana Lima. It's like her beauty is more a thing to appreciate in opposition to feel attracted based on how she diverges from the norm.

You will probably see women saying the same thing about models like O'pry for example. They definately find him beautiful, but very often not in a attractive way. Like you watch some beautiful and aesthetic thing or animal like a tiger and their beauty automatically trigger your appreciation but not in attractive way(lol).

Thats how aesthetics work, but not necessarily attraction.

Attraction definately needs a factor of averageness to reach it's peak, thats why men misunderstand what is the ideal phyisique for men, because he can see how a extreme phyisique can be aesthetic but without the understanding that this doesnt necessarily means attraction.

Very often male gaze thing is a peak male aesthetics that lost it's averageness. Take the figure of gigachad meme being as it's epitomy, no women find that attractive at all, but very often retards will think that's a ideal to be persued.

Women do the SAME mistakes. Take breast implants for example, majority of men dislike it, and even prefer very small boobs instead of any type of implants because it always looks fake and lose the line of averegeness and normality

Those things are hard to explain because they work in the subconscious and are very hard to translate objectively, but i hope u can get my point.

Once the "averageness" is lost, very often so does the attraction

that's exactly why Chico appeals more than O pry

 

[softlysoftly]

Height can only be fixed by injecting hgh growth hormone and othwr forms of halostetin these 3 delay the sealing of your gwroth plates.


Penis is down to ones intercellular matrix in the womb ones receptivity to androgens decides the overall length the penis will have genetically at puberty that being said TRT and HCG can massively help if your in that masculinizing stage.


For adults this shit is useless the other stuff that is promising is anti lysl oxidaze combined with vacuuming has shown to remodel the albungia tunica which helps in boosting penis growth through traction devices since your penis is filled with elastin you can keep stretching permanently.


Face is fhe hardest to fix because its 57 feautres dick and height work on a liner scale face doesn't because there are so many traits creates a handsome face

you should at least fix the things in your current control by losing fat and gaining muscle

 

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What follows is a series of studies meant to inequivocably prove that the Male Gaze view of what is attractive to women is completely misguided.
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"Bodybuilder body is the most attractive"

Rebuttal: Females like muscles, especially V-tapered physiques with wide shoulders and narrow hips, but men WILDLY overestimate the amount of muscle they find attractive. In developed countries of the 21st century, female judge high genetic quality as more important than protection"

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293162497_The_preferred_male_body_shapes_of_college_men_and_women

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Three purported cues to perceived male physical attractiveness are the waist-to-chest ratio (WCR), body mass index (BMI) and the waist-to-hip ratio (WHR).​

Ninety-five female participants from Britain and Malaysia were asked to rate a set of images of real men with known WCR, BMI and WHR. The results showed clear differences along a gradient of socio-economic development.​

In the rural setting, BMI was the primary predictor of attractiveness, with WCR playing a more minor role and WHR not reaching significance. In general, urban participants were more reliant on body shape and chose a relatively slim figure with an ‘inverted triangle’ shape.​

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1740144505000562

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Frederick Fessler and Haselton found that men portrayed in magazines targeted at male audiences are more muscular than men portrayed in magazines targeted at women.​

Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer.​

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https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

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Results showed that on average both men and women wanted to have less body fat and more muscularity than they perceived that they had. Men showed (a desire for) exaggerated thinness and muscularity compared to female preferences.​

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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00050067.2022.2033951

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What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to produce a photorealistic, virtual male or female body.​

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Figure B indicates the male body perceived as ideal by female participants.​

What is an attractive body? Using an interactive 3D program to create the ideal body for you and your partner - PubMed

What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to...

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"The more masculine you look, the more attractive you are"

Rebuttal: Masculine facial features are not as polarized as most male gaze copers believe; pronounced eyebrows, jawline and cheekbones are enough to qualify a face as masculine, and plenty of prettyboys show these features. Still, average levels of masculinity are preferred, leaning towards feminine.

Some research has shown that women do prefer men with masculine compared to feminine facial features.​

Note: these are the masculine facial features considered in the study: pronounced eyebrows, enhanced cheekbones, elongated jawline.​

Other studies have not found support for women’s preferences for facial masculinity.​

Further, research has shown that there are slight preferences for facial femininity in men...​

...women preferred and viewed longer (i.e., increased visual attention) feminine compared to masculine faces, suggesting that cognitive processes may be involved in driving the expression of mate preferences.​

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Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

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All women preferred the faces with average levels of masculinity.​

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Sociosexuality in women and preference for facial masculinization and somatotype in men - PubMed

Sociosexual orientation reflects individual differences in openness to short-term sexual relationships. We predicted that women with less restricted sociosexuality would be differentially attracted to highly masculinized male faces and bodies. In 2 studies, we investigated preference for male...

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"Body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal"

Rebuttal: Relatively few studies prove young females prefer body hair, while most recent studies, especially those concerned with the preferences of fertile-age women, prove hairlessness is considered ideal.

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Women rated figures with no or little trunk hair as most attractive.​

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Studies of human physique and sexual attractiveness: sexual preferences of men and women in China - PubMed

Men and women at Northwest University (n = 631), Xi'an, China, were asked to rate the attractiveness of male or female figures manipulated to vary somatotype, waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), secondary sexual traits, and other features. In study 1, women rated the average masculine somatotype as most...

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...six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair and to indicate which body was most sexually attractive to themselves, to most men, and to most women. Both men and women chose a relatively hairless male body as the most sexually attractive. Women, however, thought men would choose a hairier body than men actually did. Most of the men reduced or removed body hair, especially from the pubic area.​

...men and women had similar attitudes toward men's body hair, with both hair reduction and hair retention being socially acceptable. Men's body depilation, while still optional, may be becoming normative.​

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Men's body depilation: an exploratory study of United States college students' preferences, attitudes, and practices - PubMed

Young men in Western cultures frequently engage in body depilation practices, but little is known regarding how such bodies are perceived. This exploratory study asked United States college students (N=238) to view six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair...

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...amount and distribution of masculine trunk hair (chest and abdominal) was altered progressively in a series of front-posed male figures. In both countries, the image lacking any trunk hair was rated as the most attractive, with a steady decline in attractiveness as hirsutism became more pronounced. ​

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Human physique and sexual attractiveness in men and women: a New Zealand-U.S. comparative study - PubMed

Men and women living in New Zealand and California completed five studies regarding human physique and sexual attractiveness. In Studies 1-3, women rated images of male stimuli and, in Studies 4-5, men rated female stimuli. In Study 1, women in both countries rated mesomorphic (muscular) and...

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Men with body hair were less attractive than when clean shaven...​

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281139201

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The ectoparasite avoidance hypothesis proposes one reason why hairless men may be considered more attractive. Hairless men may be less susceptible to ectoparasites, which may serve as a cue that they are healthy and not transmitting unwanted parasites.​

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Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

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Facial hair: Facial hair is a different matter, as a stubble was consistently proven as being considered the most attractive - however, it should be duly noted that facial hair has the ability to cover unattractive lower thirds, and since most males don't have good lower thirds, they will always be perceived as more attractive when it is covered: in short, stubble is considered more attractive not because stubble is more attractive per se but rather because it hides a facial defect, resulting in higher perceived attractiveness.

Still, differences in female preferences are not nearly as polarized as most male gaze copers would like to think:

Among the female respondents, 57.19% indicated a preference for men with facial hair, and 42.81% preferred clean-shaven faces.​

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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704920961728

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Women with partners that were clean-shaven judged clean-shaven faces as most attractive, whereas women with partners with heavy stubble or full beards judged heavy stubble as most attractive.​

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Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

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And less-fertile, older women are generally the ones that find facial hair most attractive:

Postmenopausal women gave higher scores for all degrees of facial hair, including full beards, than premenopausal and pregnant women.

Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

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"Male gaze appeal mogs in short term relationships"

Rebuttal: It's not that male gaze appeal is superior to female gaze appeal, it's just that STR are the only ones where women are willing to tolerate male gaze copers, so STR are the only realm in which they get most of their sexual success. This does not indicate female gaze appeal is inferior in STR than male gaze appeal. Moreover, although multiple studies show that masculinity is positively correlated with short-term relationships success over long-term relationships, the degree of masculinity necessary to reap those benefits is far lower than what most male-gaze obsessed people judge masculine enough"

...negative perceptions that facial masculinity may signal, such as increased dominance and dishonesty. Facial masculinity can also be associated with lower paternal investment, aggressiveness, and being perceived as threatening, which are characteristics that are not desirable in a long-term partnership.​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

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Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer. Moreover, these misperceptions are more exaggerated for short-term relationships. (...) men misperceive that women would like more muscular men for short-term than for long-term relationships.​

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Women rated physically attractive men as more likely to cheat or desert a long-term relationship, whereas men did not consider attractive women to be more likely to cheat. However, women showed no aversion to the idea of forming long-term relationships with attractive men. ​

Mate choice trade-offs and women's preference for physically attractive men - PubMed

Researchers studying human sexuality have repeatedly concluded that men place more emphasis on the physical attractiveness of potential mates than women do, particularly in long-term sexual relationships. Evolutionary theorists have suggested that this is the case because male mate value (the...

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I skimmed about half of this page but this again is straw manning the other side insanely women don't like roided niggers but they like niggers with much higher than average physiques in fact a seperate study height penis size and frame interacts with 1 another to create male sexual dimorphism actually that the more women when shown an attractive body choose males with more exaggerated sexual dimorphism which is literally masculinity.

Your study was based of shitty question air This study showed the affects of each trait to women piece by piece.



Do retards on this site know why LTRS even exist I don't know why the people here jew LTRS ltrs literally were only invented because masculine males didn't want to commit to some whore.


Why is LTRS so shilled here it is literally natures way of saying to you your a sloppy 2nd.

 

[Skywalker]

just be as close to this as possible for the max amount of UNIVERSAL appeal . It's not hard to understand

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yeah morphs dont count bro; this is just super autistic; theres never going to be a guy that looks THIS good IRL; he mogs Chico and Maher;

 

[Skywalker]

chico isn't that gl. He IS THAT GOOD LOOKING BECAUSE HES SO AVERAGELY HANDSOME

you misspelt EXCEPTIONALLY HANDSOME

 

[Skywalker]

ltrs literally were only invented because masculine males didn't want to commit to some whore.


Why is LTRS so shilled here it is literally natures way of saying to you your a sloppy 2nd.

perfectly put ; LTRs are for low t men and always have been; and to answer your question - it is because most men here are aspiring to be sub 200 ng/dl t lvls skinny lanklet "muh prettyboy" (which they'll NEVER achieve due to facial structure+ pheno ofc)

 

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since most males don't have good lower thirds

Cope