Debunking some misconceptions about Race

[metagross]

Leftists and liberals are rare in this forum, but there are some and when it comes to race they usually always use the same arguments. So I think I will just make a post debunking some of these.​

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First argument: We are 99.9% the same​

First and foremost, it is true that humans are 99.9% the same genetically in terms of base pair identity (if you also include variation in copy number variants, the value will be lower). This is because most genotypes don't vary at all, so we are theoretically all the same. Using this logic, one can also find that we are 97-99% the same as chimpanzees depending on how you count things. Maybe 20% with bananas. But what does this matter for race being real? Nothing. No arguments are even given about how some genetic identity level relates to the plausibility of race differences in some trait. As we know with some well known cases, even minor genetic differences can have huge impacts. Consider alcohol intolerance, lactose intolerance, the Y chromosome's SRY gene (that makes you into a man basically but is only 827 base pairs long), altitude adaptations in Tibetans, Andeans, and Ethiopians, unusually large spleens, skin color and its associations with skin cancer and vitamin D levels, the 1000s of genetic disorders that often involve minor changes (sometimes a single letter) but that is the difference between life and death. Clearly, some relatively small genetic differences matter a lot, and we already know they vary by population. So saying that humans are 99.9% identical is not really saying anything relevant at all.

Second argument: More variation within races than between them​

Again, a true statement, promoted by communist activist Richard Lewontin. - This argument was made by some not particularly bright guy in the thread "I hate when low IQ retards try to disprove scientific theories". - This is now well known as Lewontin's fallacy. I don't really need to cover it in depth here as this was done by other people already. But I'll give the TL;DR: No one has ever substantiated the hidden premise that racial variation must exceed 50% to be relevant or significant. Lewontin just made it up for who knows what reason, somehow it gets repeated ad nauseam.
Interestingly, this would also tell us that Wolves and Coyotes are not really different from eachother, but they are.

Third argument: Bad schools​

Sure, some schools may be worse than others. But we have known since 1960s Coleman report that this doesn't matter as much as some people think and maybe doesn't matter at all for intelligence gaps in adults.

Fourth argument: Socioeconomic factors​

These of course differ, another true statement - but it would be begging the question to assume that one has to control for these. Per the genetic/hereditarian model, social status gaps are caused by genetic gaps in intelligence and thus are confounded to begin with, so controlling for these social status gaps is a sociologist's fallacy.

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[Shrek2OnDvD]

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Race never meant anything before the 17th century

It was only after the enlightenment did the European nations like Britain, invent the concept of race to structure a hierarchy of superiority, which they put themselves (Anglos) at the top and everyone else at the bottom

The concept of race has changed hundreds of times. At one point even Slavs, Italians and anyone from the balkans weren’t considered ‘white’ lmfao

The whole reason why ‘race’ existed was to establish superiority of one race over another

 

[metagross]

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Race never meant anything before the 17th century

It was only after the enlightenment did the European nations like Britain, invent the concept of race to structure a hierarchy of superiority, which they put themselves (Anglos) at the top and everyone else at the bottom

You can easily cluster them.
A computer will then produce something like this

There is gene flow but you can see the pattern

 

[TeraCope54]

Race never meant anything before the 17th century

"Animal species is a social construct therefore all animals are the same"

 

[spark]

who cares cuck bbcs are fucking your onitis

 

[Deleted member 9670]

ok charles murray

 

[Deleted member 9670]

"Animal species is a social construct therefore all animals are the same"

dumb argument

races aren't genetically different enough. not even to be considered different subspecies

 

[Detona]

Wow, OP is fucking stupid.

There is less genetic variation between chimpanzee troops than there is between different so-called "races".

 

[TeraCope54]

dumb argument

races aren't genetically different enough. not even to be considered different subspecies

First of all, yes we are. Africans have much less neander dna, and you can have same genetics and be classified differently anyways, so try again.

 

[Deleted member 9670]

First of all, yes we are. Africans have much less neander dna, and you can have same genetics and be classified differently anyways, so try again.

show me proof that the genetic differences are enough to be considered separate species

 

[TeraCope54]

show me proof that the genetic differences are enough to be considered separate species

You don't need to be separate species to classify a race.

 

[Deleted member 17174]

another day another race thread

 

[metagross]

dumb argument

races aren't genetically different enough. not even to be considered different subspecies

You didn't read the Opening post of this thread.
I quote:

No one has ever substantiated the hidden premise that racial variation must exceed 50% to be relevant or significant. Lewontin just made it up for who knows what reason, somehow it gets repeated ad nauseam.

 

[Deleted member 15338]

From a biological point of view race is not a social construct, without a doubt, but biological point of view itself is a social construct. At the end of the day it is an arbitary concept.

 

[n0rthface]

who cares cuck bbcs are fucking your onitis

Leftists truly are cucks

 

[traveler]

 

[Deleted member 9003]

@metagross debunked the top scientist

@MrGlutton @Shrek2OnDvD

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Leftists truly are cucks

show me proof that the genetic differences are enough to be considered separate species

All are different species-subspecies according to biology btw

 

[MrGlutton]

@metagross debunked the top scientist

@MrGlutton @Shrek2OnDvD

low iq incel thinks he knows better than established scientists

 

[Deleted member 15338]

@metagross debunked the top scientist

@MrGlutton @Shrek2OnDvD

Science is NOT trustable nowadays fuck the top scientist he is probably a betabux faggot who doesnt have the balls to speak the truth also scientists and intellectuals are not that smart and trustable, they are always coward faggots, especially regarding social issues

 

[alriodai]

low iq incel thinks he knows better than established scientists

It's always funny to me. All his "deboonk" is also debunkable, since he's cherry picking too

 

[Deleted member 15099]

Leftists and liberals are rare in this forum, but there are some and when it comes to race they usually always use the same arguments. So I think I will just make a post debunking some of these.​

​

First argument: We are 99.9% the same​

First and foremost, it is true that humans are 99.9% the same genetically in terms of base pair identity (if you also include variation in copy number variants, the value will be lower). This is because most genotypes don't vary at all, so we are theoretically all the same. Using this logic, one can also find that we are 97-99% the same as chimpanzees depending on how you count things. Maybe 20% with bananas. But what does this matter for race being real? Nothing. No arguments are even given about how some genetic identity level relates to the plausibility of race differences in some trait. As we know with some well known cases, even minor genetic differences can have huge impacts. Consider alcohol intolerance, lactose intolerance, the Y chromosome's SRY gene (that makes you into a man basically but is only 827 base pairs long), altitude adaptations in Tibetans, Andeans, and Ethiopians, unusually large spleens, skin color and its associations with skin cancer and vitamin D levels, the 1000s of genetic disorders that often involve minor changes (sometimes a single letter) but that is the difference between life and death. Clearly, some relatively small genetic differences matter a lot, and we already know they vary by population. So saying that humans are 99.9% identical is not really saying anything relevant at all.

Second argument: More variation within races than between them​

Again, a true statement, promoted by communist activist Richard Lewontin. - This argument was made by some not particularly bright guy in the thread "I hate when low IQ retards try to disprove scientific theories". - This is now well known as Lewontin's fallacy. I don't really need to cover it in depth here as this was done by other people already. But I'll give the TL;DR: No one has ever substantiated the hidden premise that racial variation must exceed 50% to be relevant or significant. Lewontin just made it up for who knows what reason, somehow it gets repeated ad nauseam.
Interestingly, this would also tell us that Wolves and Coyotes are not really different from eachother, but they are.

Third argument: Bad schools​

Sure, some schools may be worse than others. But we have known since 1960s Coleman report that this doesn't matter as much as some people think and maybe doesn't matter at all for intelligence gaps in adults.

Fourth argument: Socioeconomic factors​

These of course differ, another true statement - but it would be begging the question to assume that one has to control for these. Per the genetic/hereditarian model, social status gaps are caused by genetic gaps in intelligence and thus are confounded to begin with, so controlling for these social status gaps is a sociologist's fallacy.

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I love being white

 

[Deleted member 15338]

It's always funny to me. All his "deboonk" is also debunkable, since he's cherry picking too

Average scientist btw

 

[alriodai]

Average scientist btw
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Tesla was a inventor, electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, and futurist. Not a scientist. Over for WannabeJockscels tbh

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Tesla was a inventor, electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, and futurist. Not a scientist. Over for WannabeJockscels tbh

I dont care about these my point is scientists are intellectual class in general are cowards and always follow the goverments orders

 

[n0rthface]

It's always funny to me. All his "deboonk" is also debunkable, since he's cherry picking too

Go ahead.

 

[Deleted member 9003]

All are different species-subspecies according to biology btw
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There’s no living sub species of homosapiens jfl

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Go ahead.

People always speak from an imaginary point of superiority while discussing this topic

 

[Deleted member 15099]

Guys, didn't you know basement dweller incels are the most knowledgeable about science?

 

[Deleted member 15338]

There’s no living sub species of homosapiens jfl

Lets be honest If it wasnt for the political correctness abos would be considered as whole different species, so you are saying me neandarthels shouldnt be considered human but abos should ? Sure biological classification is a man made concept but if we are judging things from a biological perspective it is how it is

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Guys, didn't you know basement dweller incels are the most knowledgeable about science?

You have foid personality btw

 

[n0rthface]

Guys, didn't you know basement dweller incels are the most knowledgeable about science?

True

OP also linked studies

 

[alriodai]

Guys, didn't you know basement dweller incels are the most knowledgeable about science?

The jewish elites are here for us, they are bribing all the top scientists to make believe average-age men or ugly incels that they want to kill their species off-.. Oops they don't even need to do that, since nobody want to fuck uglies like them

 

[metagross]

low iq incel thinks he knows better than established scientists

I don't know who you mean but scientists often argue with eachother. And Lewontin's fallacy is pretty well known. Was even known by Harvard geneticist, David Reich, who also recently wrote an article about this topic.

 

[Deleted member 15338]

I don't know who you mean but scientists often argue with eachother. And Lewontin's fallacy is pretty well known. Was even known by Harvard geneticist, David Reich, who also recently wrote an article about this topic.

Jfl James Watson, literal discoverer of DNA said race is not a social construct and it effects everything such as intelligence etc. and media attacked him hard as a result of this, they even took his nobel prize away

 

[Deleted member 15338]

The jewish elites are here for us, they are bribing all the top scientists to make believe average-age men or ugly incels that they want to kill their species off-.. Oops they don't even need to do that, since nobody want to fuck uglies like them

This guy discovered structure of DNA itself

 

[disillusioned]

OP is coping hard. Just lol at him for thinking the same bluepill 'science' that says women are equal to men is going to be honest about race differences.

 

[alriodai]

OP is coping hard. Just lol at him for thinking the same bluepill 'science' that says women are equal to men is going to be honest about race differences.

Not only that he’s cherry picking

 

[disillusioned]

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Race never meant anything before the 17th century

It was only after the enlightenment did the European nations like Britain, invent the concept of race to structure a hierarchy of superiority, which they put themselves (Anglos) at the top and everyone else at the bottom

The concept of race has changed hundreds of times. At one point even Slavs, Italians and anyone from the balkans weren’t considered ‘white’ lmfao

The whole reason why ‘race’ existed was to establish superiority of one race over another

This is pure propaganda. The actual meaning of race has evolved over the centuries but people have always seen race.

 

[metagross]

Not only that he’s cherry picking

Nope

 

[metagross]

OP is coping hard. Just lol at him for thinking the same bluepill 'science' that says women are equal to men is going to be honest about race differences.

The science that says women are equal to men says that there are no differences between race, which I disagree with.