Debunking the entire concept of death! Yes, DEATH debunked with FACTS and LOGIC

[neurosis]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

 

[JasGews69x]

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

The same place before you were born nothingness

 

[neurosis]

The same place before you were born nothingness

youre embarrassing yourself.

ill simplify it. If nothing can't turn into something, and something can't turn into nothing. What happens when you (something) dies. hint: the answer isn't nothing

 

[Ogionth]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

Not a materialistic atheistic but your argument is very flawed.

"Something cannot turn into nothing" is not true.

The necessary existence by logic is the only existence that cannot cease to exist and although it is something, but this Universe is full of 'somethings' that are not necessary by their nature and must be able to cease existing by the will of the necessary existence because if not, then it creates a logical impossibility, because if the will of the necessary existence is limited by this, then, it is not necessary and that is impossible.

 

[JasGews69x]

ill simplify it. If nothing can't turn into something, and something can't into nothing. What happens when you (something) dies

nothing, the brain shuts down and consciousness fades

 

[Varicella]

avi checks out

Spoiler

BAZINGA

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

you cant prove something solely by deducting from axioms as they will either not mean anything or result in contradictions when applied to phenomena since axioms by definition arent derived from causality unlike phenomena

 

[lemonnz]

The same place before you were born nothingness

 

[nuisance]

The same place before you were born nothingness

how did we come out of nothingness

if i came from nothingness and came out of nothingness cant i come out of nothingness again after re-entering it

 

[JasGews69x]

how did we come out of nothingness

if i came from nothingness and came out of nothingness cant i come out of nothingness again after rentering it

Accident

 

[Klasik616]

Metaphysics doesn't prove anything

 

[Never Get Up]

Consciousness is the only reality.

 

[neurosis]

then it creates a logical impossibility

The logical impossibility is the presumption that 'nothing' exists as a tangible concept in the first place

 

[Alias!]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

 

[aspiringexcel]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

I wish this is true. Fuck this cucked universe if we just dissapear. No matter how dubhuman i am i love living

 

[neurosis]

how did we come out of nothingness

if i came from nothingness and came out of nothingness cant i come out of nothingness again after re-entering it

The answer to your question is that you didn't come out of nothingness because there's no such thing as nothingness.

You are something, were always something and will always be something.

 

[Ogionth]

The logical impossibility is the presumption that 'nothing' exists as a tangible concept in the first place

"Nothing" as a tangible concept isn't what 'Something turn into nothing' means, something turning into nothing means and is, existence turning into non existence, NOT "all existences turning into non existence" . Ofcourse, the latter is a logical impossibility as there must be the necessary existence.

 

[nuisance]

The answer to your question is that you didn't come out of nothingness because there's no such thing as nothingness.

You are something, were always something and will always be something.

cope

we dont know anything

 

[neurosis]

something turning into nothing means and is, existence turning into non existence

what is non existence if not nothing?

check and mate

 

[Ogionth]

what is non existence if not nothing?

"Nothing" as a tangible concept means the non existence of all existences whereas 'Something turning into nothing' means it could either be the turning of an existence to non-existence (which is logically possible for contingent beings) OR the turning of all existences (something) into non existence (which is logically not possible because the necessary existence cannot turn into non-existence).

So, the line "Smth turning into nothing" is possible when it means the turning of a contingent being to non-existence by the will of the necessary being.

 

[neurosis]

"Nothing" as a tangible concept means the non existence of all existences whereas 'Something turning into nothing' means it could either be the turning of an existence to non-existence (which is logically possible for contingent beings) OR the turning of all existences (something) into non existence (which is logically not possible because the necessary existence cannot turn into non-existence).

So, the line "Smth turning into nothing" is possible when it means the turning of a contingent being to non-existence by the will of the necessary being.

again.

What is non existence if not nothing? clue:

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

 

[Ogionth]

again.

What is non existence if not nothing? clue:

Maybe, you should consider reading what I said, again, instead of repeating your question because it is you, who has failed to comprehend it and not that I have failed to answer it.

 

[neurosis]

"Nothing" as a tangible concept means the non existence of all existences

refer to axiom a. nothing refers to the absence of something

means it could either be the turning of an existence to non-existence (which is logically possible for contingent beings)

its not logically possible tho. in the instance of something (an existence) turning into non existence (nothing) implies that nothing (non existence) could exist WITHIN something (all existences). when nothing exists within something, it is in fact ... something.

 

[jacobhocevar]

refer to axiom a. nothing refers to the absence of something

its not logically possible tho. in the instance of something (an existence) turning into non existence (nothing) implies that nothing (non existence) could exist WITHIN something (all existences). when nothing exists within something, it is in fact ... something.

think of it this way, if you delete all the data on a computer that isn’t connected to the cloud, there is still all the parts left behind. but if you connected it to the cloud the data would still exist just not on your computer but in the cloud. In death your soul and consciousness wouldn’t be in your body or deleted. But for religious people it goes to their place for after life heaven, etc. Your conscience isn’t erased just transferred.

 

[cpedy]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

ngl psychedelics make me believe there is more

 

[neurosis]

In death your soul and consciousness wouldn’t be in your body or deleted. But for religious people it goes to their place for after life heaven, etc. Your conscience isn’t erased just transferred.

so when the consciousness/data has been transferred to heaven/cloud, what happens to the body/computer.

what i'm trying to prove in op is that transferring process of consciousness has already happened, is happening right now and will happen in the future all concurrently at the same time

 

[jacobhocevar]

so when the consciousness/data has been transferred to heaven/cloud, what happens to the body/computer.

what i'm trying to prove in op is that transferring process of consciousness has already happened, is happening right now and will happen in the future all concurrently at the same time

the body/computer stays here on earth and our consciousness can no longer access it

 

[neurosis]

the body/computer stays here on earth and our consciousness can no longer access it

but if youre experiencing the transferring of consciousness in (birth) and out (death) of your body at the same time. in a sense its all happening now, and your body/computer just experiences the data in a linear fashion (time) then there's quite literally no such thing as death/nothing, you have always been you.

 

[jacobhocevar]

No you stop experiencing the transfer when you are born, you are born with consciousness and expand upon it as you grow and stop developing when you die. You need some type of data to use a computer (body) to download new info

 

[neurosis]

No you stop experiencing the transfer when you are born, you are born with consciousness and expand upon it as you grow and stop developing when you die. You need some type of data to use a computer (body) to download new info

right

birth = consciousness enters vessel
death = consciousness leaves vessel

and this transferring process can't happen at the same time because ... (that's not how this vessel/body/computer experiences the process) ? with that logic anything we don't experience isn't true/impossible ie the color green doesn't exist if you're color blind nor does a tree make a sound in the forest if there's no one there to hear it

if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs at the same time, then I'm right. There can be no such thing as death
if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs linearly (as how you describe it) then there is such a thing as death

 

[Ogionth]

refer to axiom a. nothing refers to the absence of something

its not logically possible tho. in the instance of something (an existence) turning into non existence (nothing) implies that nothing (non existence) could exist WITHIN something (all existences). when nothing exists within something, it is in fact ... something.

I don't think you understand what I said. It does NOT imply "nothing" or non-existence as an existence

 

[jacobhocevar]

right

birth = consciousness enters vessel
death = consciousness leaves vessel

and this transferring process can't happen at the same time because ... (that's not how this vessel/body/computer experiences the process) ? with that logic anything we don't experience isn't true/impossible ie the color green doesn't exist if you're color blind nor does a tree make a sound in the forest if there's no one there to hear it

if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs at the same time, then I'm right. There can be no such thing as death
if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs linearly (as how you describe it) then there is such a thing as death

other things that you don’t see exist because there are other computers (people) going to new websites (places) you never visited and downloading new games (experiences) that you’ve never played. Other things exist in the world because other people created them and allowed them to happen

 

[neurosis]

jfl @ this forums sentience