Debunking the myth of Aisha being 9 (Muslims GTFIH)

[Ghoulish]

so that means quran contradicts itself i am just tryin to understaan

Quran never states her age, Hadith are not Quran Theyre just stuff people said someone told them happened, that they were told by someone else x100. Theyre like historical statements that people said they heard happened. Not concrete evidence. Especially when narrated by someone with Alzheimer’s

Quran is perfectly preserved, there are manuscripts from the time of the prophet that are identical to the ones today. Quran states the minimum age is post maturity and puberty, the Hadith states she was married at 6, which goes against the Quran and therefore the Hadith is inaccurate along with many other reasons why it is inaccurate

 

[Ghoulish]

Ah yes, Magyars are capped at LTN? Yes, the Germanic Slavics. So you wish to call Europe LTN?

I wonder, why do you have a white man as your AVI?

“Germanic Slavics” jfl at this cope youre fucking mongaloid subhumans and are nothing like the rest of Europe.

The guy in my avi is greek/med, and looks nothing like any north western or northern euro ever. I literally look whiter than this nigga hes got tan skin and hazel eyes.

 

[unstable]

what is your ethn. btw

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

“Germanic Slavics” jfl at this cope youre fucking mongaloid subhumans and are nothing like the rest of Europe.

The guy in my avi is greek/med, and looks nothing like any north western or northern euro ever. I literally look whiter than this nigga hes got tan skin and hazel eyes.

@CorinthianLOX @Mainlander @IraniancelV2
Let us JFL together, apologies for the random tagging. This is rather hard to let up.
We have these Amalek Goy over here who says he is not islamic but then is now one all of a sudden.
"I goon to all of these btw I’m not Muslim, but stop posting Arabs to get back at the Turks."

Hijab girls love BWC

@Saint Casanova

looksmax.org

He also likes to worship chad like a little sodomite, of course a white one. He is also a migrant who lives within Belguim if I stand correct.
He also has no knowledge about Europe or anything within it beyond praising the SS like a good little ethnicuck.
"Lifefuel. But this won’t save my recessed maxilla holding me back from chad"

Top 3 disgusting features (if u got it might be over) pt1

1. Shallow set eyes ( just disgusting to look at from the side) self explanatory ) also known as bug eyes ETHNIC CLASSIC 2. Flat nose (yes your cooked especially if it’s wide and you have no brow ridge you are genetically pre disposed to be a cuck 3. sclera show (horrible falio) to see how...

looksmax.org

He also seems to be coping with his own genetics as most of these ethnic boys do before getting an arranged marriage with their cousin.

https://looksmax.org/members/jacky-hanma.48121/#profile-post-comment-291873

He also goons to anime girls, as every low IQ Humanimal does.
"Just gooned to Monika and NOT yuri, best decision of my life "

@IraniancelV2 Also this is the same guy who keeps speaking the word "Persia" from his mouth all the time. How much you want to bet he is not even Persian?

He is either Pakistani, Kurdish, Turkish or some other lesser humanimal race. He cares so much about things that do not matter no more yet. He pivots back to worshipping a white man as his AVI, as did his whorish females within his ilk.

 

[IraniancelV2]

@CorinthianLOX @Mainlander @IraniancelV2
Let us JFL together, apologies for the random tagging. This is rather hard to let up.

Tag me whenever

@CorinthianLOX @Mainlander @IraniancelV2
Let us JFL together, apologies for the random tagging. This is rather hard to let up.
We have these Amalek Goy over here who says he is not islamic but then is now one all of a sudden.
"I goon to all of these btw I’m not Muslim, but stop posting Arabs to get back at the Turks."

Hijab girls love BWC

@Saint Casanova

looksmax.org

He also likes to worship chad like a little sodomite, of course a white one. He is also a migrant who lives within Belguim if I stand correct.
He also has no knowledge about Europe or anything within it beyond praising the SS like a good little ethnicuck.
"Lifefuel. But this won’t save my recessed maxilla holding me back from chad"

Top 3 disgusting features (if u got it might be over) pt1

1. Shallow set eyes ( just disgusting to look at from the side) self explanatory ) also known as bug eyes ETHNIC CLASSIC 2. Flat nose (yes your cooked especially if it’s wide and you have no brow ridge you are genetically pre disposed to be a cuck 3. sclera show (horrible falio) to see how...

looksmax.org

He also seems to be coping with his own genetics as most of these ethnic boys do before getting an arranged marriage with their cousin.

https://looksmax.org/members/jacky-hanma.48121/#profile-post-comment-291873

He also goons to anime girls, as every low IQ Humanimal does.
"Just gooned to Monika and NOT yuri, best decision of my life "

@IraniancelV2 Also this is the same guy who keeps speaking the word "Persia" from his mouth all the time. How much you want to bet he is not even Persian?

This guy is a troll I think. He posted a picture of his snow white arm and a piece of paper saying his name. I don't know what to make of this guy

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Tag me whenever

This guy is a troll I think. He posted a picture of his snow white arm and a piece of paper saying his name. I don't know what to make of this guy

Ah, a thinlet. He has a big mouth on the internet yet nothing in reality. As expected. Maybe he is pale due to being indoors for so long.

 

[Ghoulish]

Let us JFL together, apologies for the random tagging. This is rather hard to let up.
We have these Amalek Goy over here who says he is not islamic but then is now one all of a sudden.
"I goon to all of these btw I’m not Muslim, but stop posting Arabs to get back at the Turks."

Lmao nigga went through my entire post history from 5 months ago

I wasn’t really a muslim, i heavily doubted Islam but got into it after reading about the minor signs. Ive stated that many times here before.

He also likes to worship chad like a little sodomite, of course a white one. He is also a migrant who lives within Belguim if I stand correct.

Not Belgium. Where have I worshipped chad?

He also has no knowledge about Europe or anything within it beyond praising the SS like a good little ethnicuck.

Lmao nigga go back to scrolling through my posts, last thing I’d ever do is praise the SS.

Pfp this morning btw

He also seems to be coping with his own genetics as most of these ethnic boys do

Recessed maxilla only in ethnics apparently

Just gooned to Monika and NOT yuri, best decision of my life

1yr + old post btw

Also this is the same guy who keeps speaking the word "Persia" from his mouth all the time. How much you want to bet he is not even Persian?

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@IraniancelV2 check on ur friend mental health, hes scrolled through my posts till he reached ones from years ago

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Lmao nigga went through my entire post history from 5 months ago

I wasn’t really a muslim, i heavily doubted Islam but got into it after reading about the minor signs. Ive stated that many times here before.


Not Belgium. Where have I worshipped chad?


Lmao nigga go back to scrolling through my posts, last thing I’d ever do is praise the SS.

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Pfp this morning btw


Recessed maxilla only in ethnics apparently


1yr + old post btw


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@IraniancelV2 check on ur friend mental health, hes scrolled through my posts till he reached ones from years ago

You would not be having a frantic meltdown over each singular word I write out. Please, take your leave and do not return. The blackpill has no safe space for kids who want to play with sky daddy and ego.

 

[IraniancelV2]

Lmao nigga go back to scrolling through my posts, last thing I’d ever do is praise the SS.

View attachment 4092844
Pfp this morning btw

Ohh true that was you, I forgot

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@IraniancelV2 check on ur friend mental health, hes scrolled through my posts till he reached ones from years ago

Who does not go through post histories to insult others?

 

[Ghoulish]

You would not be having a frantic meltdown over each singular word I write out

Scrolled through my 4 thousand posts over a .org debate, wdym frantic meltdown

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Scrolled through my 4 thousand posts over a .org debate, wdym frantic meltdown

The way you write, the emoji spamming. No one who is not tense would spam it. Please, you really think I just look through your posts? You know there are much more easier methods to finding what you want to find instead of wasting hours.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Ohh true that was you, I forgot

Who does not go through post histories to insult others?

I can lend you a nice secret. Check DMS.

 

[Ghoulish]

Ohh true that was you, I forgot

This is my first serious posts and I get schizos like this scrolling through 4k posts to talk shit

Rate the post btw, youre high iq you should comprehend it better than this nigga who responded saying he “worships nature”

 

[Ghoulish]

The way you write, the emoji spamming. No one who is not tense would spam it. Please, you really think I just look through your posts? You know there are much more easier methods to finding what you want to find instead of wasting hours.

You’ve scrolled through 4k posts you should have memorised by now that I use emojis, like 90% of the other users on here.

Jfl why would I be tense, mirin effort put into scraping through my entire post history btw

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

You’ve scrolled through 4k posts you should have memorised by now that I use emojis, like 90% of the other users on here.

Jfl why would I be tense, mirin effort put into scraping through my entire post history btw

AI are better at finding key words. Now go away, at least I know who is what now more so.

 

[Ghoulish]

AI are better at finding key words. Now go away, at least I know who is what now more so.

Did u search up “goon” or “rule 34” in advanced search to find my post on it?

 

[JohnBaza]

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cumskin delusions

 

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[kurd]

So first of all this argument against islam is fucking retarded coming from a ex muslim

Oh!! Muhammad married a 9 year old!! Ok and how does this disprove islam as the religion? Oh because the Quran says Muhammad doesn’t do any sins and pedophilia is a sin!! Okay so first of all, thats completely bullshit. Pedophilia is just a societal term, you can literally search up the laws from countries 100 years ago and see that they’re all age of consent is around 10 years old. It’s not a written rule. So age of consent is really just depending on society, And the Quran says if the person hit puberty and is mentally stable and physically mature in both aspects that they are ready for consent which a 9 year old is completely able to do in their perspective. So this really does not disprove islam. As it is just a moral argument and islam is depending on God’s morality

 

[Ghoulish]

So first of all this argument against islam is fucking retarded coming from a ex muslim

Oh!! Muhammad married a 9 year old!! Ok and how does this disprove islam as the religion? Oh because the Quran says Muhammad doesn’t do any sins and pedophilia is a sin!! Okay so first of all, thats completely bullshit. Pedophilia is just a societal term, you can literally search up the laws from countries 100 years ago and see that they’re all age of consent is around 10 years old. It’s not a written rule. So age of consent is really just depending on society, And the Quran says if the person hit puberty and is mentally stable and physically mature in both aspects that they are ready for consent which a 9 year old is completely able to do in their perspective. So this really does not disprove islam. As it is just a moral argument and islam is depending on God’s morality

read some of it, but the age of her being 9 isnt true as I said before.

Why’d you leave?

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

I keep seeing it all the time here, and I don’t know how this hasn’t been debunked on this forum yet given how comically broken it is. You guys need to stop getting information off of muslim apologetics on YouTube as no respectable non-schizo traditionalist scholar upholds this narrative (if they even bothered to research it) given it’s MANY great flaws. This will be a wall of text, but read the entire thing if you are misinformed. It’s better to not be ignorant in the face of all this hate, you would want the same to be done to you if you were being falsely accused.

firstly, it’s a Hadith not a quranic verse, Hadith were originally circulated via oral transmission for 200 years. The hadith is narrated by Hisham ibn ‘Urwah, from his father, from Aisha. The chain for the hadith is graded hasan, which is somewhat reliable. Not concrete. But this isn’t the point of mine.

the guy who narrated it, Hisham ibn urwa, narrated this verse when he was 71 in Iraq. Around the same time, he was also diagnosed with memory problems, and he was said to have NEVER narrated this verse prior to this. None of his past students ever mentioned this verse. But this isn’t the point either, this just shows that the verse is volatile. It’s extremely suspicious.

Here is the verse

”that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.”

this brings the largest problem with this verse. The idea of 6 years old being sufficient for marriage is completely against quranic teachings of the age of consent, which highlights that mental maturity (described as being able to handle ownership of property and rational thought) , physical maturity (post pubescent) and clear consent Is extremely important and the baseline.

so, according to the Quran, the marriage is completely impermissible since Aisha would be a child at 6. Definitely not mature, mentally or physically. And according to ALL scholars, quranic text is taken over ANY other scripture.

Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya (d. 751 AH), a renowned Hanbali scholar, wrote in I'lam al-Muwaqqi'in:

"The Sunnah does not contradict the sound, clear Quran. If a hadith is found to be in contradiction, then efforts must be made to reconcile them. If reconciliation is impossible, then the Quran is given precedence, and the hadith is rejected... for the Quran is the foundation, and the Sunnah is the building."

this is only the first problem with this Hadith. The second problem is that it goes against many historical accounts of the events that took place in Islamic history, which are deemed much more reliable than a Hadith graded Hasan. For example, Aisha is said to have taken an active role in the battles of Uhud and the battle of badr. The battle of badr took place before her marriage was consummated, putting her age during the battle as 8-8 years old. And her age at uhud at 10.

now this bring a problem, how the hell would a literal child (who must have been deemed an adult to even take part in these battles as children were not allowed) be able to actively drag wounded soldiers off battlefields? Never seen a 9 year old able to pull a 70kg man across an entire battlefield hundreds of times over (the battle was a route, the location to treat them was constantly changing, meaning she would have had to help carry them.) This is why many scholars and historians heavily doubt the authenticity of this hadith.

Then, you have the problem of her prior engagement. Aisha was due to be married to another man (Mutʿim ibn ʿAdiyy) before muhammad (peace be upon him) however, this would have put her age at 3 YEARS OLD when she was engaged. This brings ANOTHER problem as child marriages were completely outlawed in post Islamic Arabia, and the man would have been punished for this. However, he is described as an honourable man (there are many details on his life.)

Now here’s the fourth major issue with this Hadith. It goes against other accounts aswell. Aishas sister, asma is narrated to have been 27 during aishas marriage, and Aisha to be 10 years younger putting aishas age at a more reliable, islamically, historically, rationally and culturally, at 17 years old. The account of asmas age is more reliable than the Hadith aswell, given it is a well recorded historical fact, rather than something narrated by some old guy with Alzheimer’s. The age hadith is a solitary report (khabar al-wahid) with a specific criticism of its narrator. The evidence from Asma's age and the battles is based on well-established history (almost mutawatir in historical terms). In Islamic jurisprudence, stronger evidence outweighs weaker evidence.

so, in conclusion, due to the Hadith being not only completely useless to most Muslims while it was circulating orally for centuries as it has no religious value (why would bedouin arabs care about how old some girl was) making it prone to errors in transmission, it is also completely against the quranic teachings, against many historical evidences, and against logic itself. It is also narrated by an old man with memory issues.

and if anyone is to bring the verse about Aisha playing with dolls, there are also MANY refutations for that Hadith too. Firstly, Aisha was a scholar by the time that Hadith was said to have taken place. A woman like Aisha playing with dolls, then going out to debate idol worshippers about religion and save lives in extremely devastating battles?

secondly, the verse describes her playing with ”dolls” which is also problematic, since dolls fall under idols, which are completely forbidden in households and Aisha would NOT been allowed to play with dolls. The prophet wouldn’t have made exceptions, as this would be hypocritical and would have been brought up. Along with these two points, the word “dolls” in Arabic (لَعِبٌ - La'ib**)** can also mean mean "playthings" or "amusement." It may not refer to literal child's dolls but perhaps to decorative figurines or cherished keepsakes, which adult woman did own as a symbol of wealth In pre-Islamic Arabia. Such objects were common.

never believe everything you see online, always check it With a reliable source.

Spoiler: Tagging Muslims

@Gengar @Old Büll @KeepCopingLads @Hide @SecularIslamist @pashtunnigga1 @Ralix @SyrianPsycho @afghanincel

Dnr i already knew all of this

 

[kurd]

read some of it, but the age of her being 9 isnt true as I said before.

Why’d you leave?

Because there is not sufficient evidence of it being trye

 

[Ghoulish]

Because there is not sufficient evidence of it being trye

Minor signs are very compelling tbh

100 time bound in detail outlandish predictions + no way to disprove it + Pascal’s wager is why I believe in it. I can send you a link to them they’re pretty outstanding and a few people I know converted from Christianity to Islam from it.

 

[Gengar]

I keep seeing it all the time here, and I don’t know how this hasn’t been debunked on this forum yet given how comically broken it is. You guys need to stop getting information off of muslim apologetics on YouTube as no respectable non-schizo traditionalist scholar upholds this narrative (if they even bothered to research it) given it’s MANY great flaws. This will be a wall of text, but read the entire thing if you are misinformed. It’s better to not be ignorant in the face of all this hate, you would want the same to be done to you if you were being falsely accused.

firstly, it’s a Hadith not a quranic verse, Hadith were originally circulated via oral transmission for 200 years. The hadith is narrated by Hisham ibn ‘Urwah, from his father, from Aisha. The chain for the hadith is graded hasan, which is somewhat reliable. Not concrete. But this isn’t the point of mine.

the guy who narrated it, Hisham ibn urwa, narrated this verse when he was 71 in Iraq. Around the same time, he was also diagnosed with memory problems, and he was said to have NEVER narrated this verse prior to this. None of his past students ever mentioned this verse. But this isn’t the point either, this just shows that the verse is volatile. It’s extremely suspicious.

Here is the verse

”that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.”

this brings the largest problem with this verse. The idea of 6 years old being sufficient for marriage is completely against quranic teachings of the age of consent, which highlights that mental maturity (described as being able to handle ownership of property and rational thought) , physical maturity (post pubescent) and clear consent Is extremely important and the baseline.

so, according to the Quran, the marriage is completely impermissible since Aisha would be a child at 6. Definitely not mature, mentally or physically. And according to ALL scholars, quranic text is taken over ANY other scripture.

Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya (d. 751 AH), a renowned Hanbali scholar, wrote in I'lam al-Muwaqqi'in:

"The Sunnah does not contradict the sound, clear Quran. If a hadith is found to be in contradiction, then efforts must be made to reconcile them. If reconciliation is impossible, then the Quran is given precedence, and the hadith is rejected... for the Quran is the foundation, and the Sunnah is the building."

this is only the first problem with this Hadith. The second problem is that it goes against many historical accounts of the events that took place in Islamic history, which are deemed much more reliable than a Hadith graded Hasan. For example, Aisha is said to have taken an active role in the battles of Uhud and the battle of badr. The battle of badr took place before her marriage was consummated, putting her age during the battle as 8-8 years old. And her age at uhud at 10.

now this bring a problem, how the hell would a literal child (who must have been deemed an adult to even take part in these battles as children were not allowed) be able to actively drag wounded soldiers off battlefields? Never seen a 9 year old able to pull a 70kg man across an entire battlefield hundreds of times over (the battle was a route, the location to treat them was constantly changing, meaning she would have had to help carry them.) This is why many scholars and historians heavily doubt the authenticity of this hadith.

Then, you have the problem of her prior engagement. Aisha was due to be married to another man (Mutʿim ibn ʿAdiyy) before muhammad (peace be upon him) however, this would have put her age at 3 YEARS OLD when she was engaged. This brings ANOTHER problem as child marriages were completely outlawed in post Islamic Arabia, and the man would have been punished for this. However, he is described as an honourable man (there are many details on his life.)

Now here’s the fourth major issue with this Hadith. It goes against other accounts aswell. Aishas sister, asma is narrated to have been 27 during aishas marriage, and Aisha to be 10 years younger putting aishas age at a more reliable, islamically, historically, rationally and culturally, at 17 years old. The account of asmas age is more reliable than the Hadith aswell, given it is a well recorded historical fact, rather than something narrated by some old guy with Alzheimer’s. The age hadith is a solitary report (khabar al-wahid) with a specific criticism of its narrator. The evidence from Asma's age and the battles is based on well-established history (almost mutawatir in historical terms). In Islamic jurisprudence, stronger evidence outweighs weaker evidence.

so, in conclusion, due to the Hadith being not only completely useless to most Muslims while it was circulating orally for centuries as it has no religious value (why would bedouin arabs care about how old some girl was) making it prone to errors in transmission, it is also completely against the quranic teachings, against many historical evidences, and against logic itself. It is also narrated by an old man with memory issues.

and if anyone is to bring the verse about Aisha playing with dolls, there are also MANY refutations for that Hadith too. Firstly, Aisha was a scholar by the time that Hadith was said to have taken place. A woman like Aisha playing with dolls, then going out to debate idol worshippers about religion and save lives in extremely devastating battles?

secondly, the verse describes her playing with ”dolls” which is also problematic, since dolls fall under idols, which are completely forbidden in households and Aisha would NOT been allowed to play with dolls. The prophet wouldn’t have made exceptions, as this would be hypocritical and would have been brought up. Along with these two points, the word “dolls” in Arabic (لَعِبٌ - La'ib**)** can also mean mean "playthings" or "amusement." It may not refer to literal child's dolls but perhaps to decorative figurines or cherished keepsakes, which adult woman did own as a symbol of wealth In pre-Islamic Arabia. Such objects were common.

never believe everything you see online, always check it With a reliable source.

Spoiler: Tagging Muslims

@Gengar @Old Büll @KeepCopingLads @Hide @SecularIslamist @pashtunnigga1 @Ralix @SyrianPsycho @afghanincel

Old news to me actually.

 

[Ghoulish]

Old news to me actually.

Yh but this one is more detailed than the other thread posted by the guy that deleted.

Most old users deleted

 

[Gengar]

Yh but this one is more detailed than the other thread posted by the guy that deleted.

Most old users deleted

I don't know what's sadder. Our community folks repeating these lies or them justifying it somehow.

 

[Ghoulish]

I don't know what's sadder. Our community folks repeating these lies or them justifying it somehow.

Mostly the fault of the old traditionalist niggas who don’t give af about non Muslims perceptions of Islam. So when asked they just use the broken illogical Hadith and say it’s true because they’ve never really checked if it’s verifiable.

The whole blindly accepting Hadith thing needs a rework, scholars in the past did but modern ones dont.