Debunking vegan copers and explaining why humans are carnivores

[Deleted member 14848]

Some guys here follow a vegan diet and claim humans are herbivores/frugivores,
their knowledge comes from shit tier memes like that
first of all frugivores also eat insects and sometimes hunt
most of them can digest fibre which humans can't
and they're omnivore by definition

I will debunk this shit point by point
wrong
irrelevant and wrong
no proof for anything and irrelevant
irrelevant cause humans don't hunt with their mouth
irrelevant cause of the same reason
wrong human molars aren't flat
irrelevant cause humans don't hunt with their mouth
depends on the food but humans have reduced masseters unlike herbivores wrong salivary gland histology has barely anything to do with diet
again dogs have same saliva
wrong human urine with average 6.0 ph is acid
cows, sheeps etc. also have uricase so irrelevant
wrong human hydrochloric acid with ph 1.5 is extremly strong
wrong
idk
true
wrong most carnivores are about 5:1 and humans have 7:1
wrong human colon is short( about two times shorter than intestine length) and most other apes have colons which are 2-3 times longer than their intestines
wrong data cats and dogs for example need 30 hours for entire digestion
additional data

Summary human digestive tract differs from apes, who are mostly omnivore, in a way that makes it easier for us to digest protein, fat(meat)
We could get all vitamins and mineral from meat but would lack on a lot (Vitamin A, B12, K2mk4, etc) if we follow a plant only diet.
@subhuman incel @FastBananaCEO @lutte @astatine
@uglymug @Papaia @Baldingman1998
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[Deleted member 15343]

I am not convince maybe next time try quoting a SCIENTIFIC STUDY sweaty ?

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Dont waste your time with 80 iq people

 

[lutte]

 

[Deleted member 14848]

I am not convince maybe next time try quoting a SCIENTIFIC STUDY sweaty ?

All of the things I said are facts.
There is not scientific study that says humans are herbivores or carnivores, just omnivores but this is a meaningless category cause there isn't a single obligate omnivore

 

[Deleted member 14848]

 

[Deleted member 15343]

All of the things I said are facts.
There is not scientific study that says humans are herbivores or carnivores, just omnivores but this is a meaningless category cause there isn't a single obligate omnivore

humans are omnivores, girls are just.. vores

 

[Deleted member 14848]

humans are omnivores, girls are just.. vores

cope cause every animal eats both plants and other animals to a degree so based on your def. every animal is an omnivore which would mean that this category is meaningless

 

[Deleted member 15343]

cope cause every animal eats both plants and other animals to a degree so based on your def. every animal is an omnivore which would mean that this category is meaningless

humans are omnivores, girls are just.. vores

 

[Deleted member 5189]

 

[Deleted member 6453]

wtf i love fruit now

 

[Reckless Turtle]

We could get all vitamins and mineral from meat

Good luck with vitamin C and E.

Just scurvymaxx bro

 

[datboijj]

all is cope
humans can't do shit without tools for meat
and for all real carnivores, fur and tough skin is enjoyable to bite through
no need to skin or make these digestible little cubes

s

 

[Deleted member 14848]

Good luck with vitamin C and E.

Just scurvymaxx bro

keep coping
Raw liver has a lot of vitamin C
Salmon, raw milk, Meat of Birds has a lot vitamin E
@subhuman incel High inhib for liking this stuff but not commenting yourself

 

[datboijj]

Dont waste your time with 80 iq people

Also this entire gif of him chewing side to side which doesn't happen in any carnivore/true omnivore
they just move their jaws up and down while tilting their heads back

 

[Deleted member 275]

Good luck with vitamin C and E.

Just scurvymaxx bro

eggs for vitamine E

 

[Deleted member 14848]

Also this entire gif of him chewing side to side which doesn't happen in any carnivore/true omnivore
they just move their jaws up and down while tilting their heads back

they aren't able to do it cause they need very stable jaw joints for killing prey
humans don't kill like that so it's an advantage for us to have less stable ones
but the human tmj is still low compared to a true herbivore and humans can't grind like a cow cause our molars are less flat

all is cope
humans can't do shit without tools for meat
and for all real carnivores, fur and tough skin is enjoyable to bite through
no need to skin or make these digestible little cubes

s

meanwhile in reality carnivores mostly don't eat the skin and the bones
everyone can easily rip off a steak

 

[Reckless Turtle]

keep coping
Raw liver has a lot of vitamin C
Salmon, raw milk, Meat of Birds has a lot vitamin E
@subhuman incel High inhib for liking this stuff but not commenting yourself

I just looked on Cronometer, and none of the items listed surpassed 30% DV in any of those categories. Cooked liver was even worse.

Just parasitemaxx bro

 

[datboijj]

they aren't able to do it cause they need very stable jaw joints for killing prey
humans don't kill like that so it's an advantage for us to have less stable ones
but the human tmj is still low compared to a true herbivore and humans can't grind like a cow cause our molars are less flat

lol chimps (who are meant for fruit)
literally eat the exact same way we do
and only eat other animals when there is no more fruit
(also get sick immediately afterwards)

meanwhile in reality carnivores mostly don't eat the skin and the bones
everyone can easily rip off a steak

im talking about a fully in tact animal covered with skin and fur, not one cut up lmaoo
you know like that real carnivores do????

 

[Reckless Turtle]

eggs for vitamine E

Better eat a lot because this is the nutritional intake of one raw egg:

 

[subhuman incel]

keep coping
Raw liver has a lot of vitamin C
Salmon, raw milk, Meat of Birds has a lot vitamin E
@subhuman incel High inhib for liking this stuff but not commenting yourself

you need about 200mg of vitamin C a day according to michael greger.



this is possible if you eat 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day. but if you are on an only meat diet, you wont reach that level. ye, maybe you have enough vitamin c to prevent scurvy, but it isnt optimal level. liver has 23.6mg vit C per 100g so you would have to eat 847g of liver to get to 200mg vit C, which is a lot.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Better eat a lot because this is the nutritional intake of one raw egg:

Still something. 90% of the population is VitE deficient so obiously it doesnt mean a whole lot.

 

[subhuman incel]

im gonna watch this video and debunk you afterwards hf.

 

[Deleted member 8853]

eggs for vitamine E

I make my own vitamin A

 

[Blue]

Even before I was redpilled on stuff like this I thought of veganism as something extremely idiotic and illogical. Skipping out on animal protein alone is extremely retarded, let alone all the other issues that come with a vegan diet.

 

[Deleted member 14848]

lol chimps (who are meant for fruit)
literally eat the exact same way we do
and only eat other animals when there is no more fruit
(also get sick immediately afterwards)

jfl at thinking humans and chimps are the same

meanwhile even more modern humans skulls compared to earlier humans(not even chimps) show clear development towards meat eating
chimps have longer rami, smaller neurocrania in relation to the splanchocranium, more prognathism, higher tmj, small, shallow set eye sockets, this shows high masseter usage rather made for eating rather plants

im talking about a fully in tact animal covered with skin and fur, not one cut up lmaoo
you know like that real carnivores do????

carnivores cut animals up and then eat the organs, muscle meat, but not the skin cause it's a natural protection of a body

I also never said that humans shouldn't eat plants at all but a human could survive on a carnivore diet but not on a vegan one
Every carnivore also eats plants to a degree

 

[datboijj]

chimps have longer rami, smaller neurocrania in relation to the splanchocranium, more prognathism, higher tmj, small, shallow set eye sockets, this shows high masseter usage rather made for eating rather plants

you keep talking about master but they are literally the closest eaters to us
no other animal chews exactly like us except chimps so this is mega cope

 

[Deleted member 14848]

you keep talking about master but they are literally the closest eaters to us
no other animal chews exactly like us except chimps so this is mega cope

doesn't look exactly the same and still irrelevant cause chimps are obv. similiar to us cause we are related but there are still massive differences between us and chimps
-like a very acidic stomach - makes zero sense to have this as a herbivore cause it takes a lot of energy to keep it that low
-shorter gastrointestinal tract, reduced colon

-different skulls which resemble carnivores much more
- and chimps still eat insects and hunt sometimes
-also humans have a very small caecum compared to chimps so we can't digest fibre (most plants are indestible for us) and even of the small amount of plants we can eat 90% percent plus is still indigestible

 

[subhuman incel]

"we are designed to strictly eat a plant based diet"
"diets with large amounts of animal foods are associated with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, auto immune disease, high blood pressure, stroke"
"we just hvae to look at our jaw structure, stomach acidity, the length of your intestines to see if we are herbivores"
"none of the people who put out these theories(saying humans are carnivore or omnivore) are physicians"
"no way stone age human could hunt efficiently enough to gather enough animal food to make that their primary nutrition""
"humans dont have the physiolgy of a scavenger, most predators dont leave enough tissue on their kills to scavenge, and if there is food left they guard those kills jealously and dont allow humans to scavenge"
"there is no advantage for humans to eat a large amount of protein, human brain burns carbs, protein is not preferred for brain, our bodies cant store excessive protein, any protein we overtake is gonna be converted into carbs, the process that converts is engery costly, dehydrates us, doesnt give us physiliogic benefit"
"humans developed a big brain becaue of meat is an illogical argument, it makes no sense, nothing about meat that stimualtes brain development, carnivores dont have the biggest brains"
"reason why plants are so colourful and bright to the human eye is because we herbivore and we are designed to eat those foods"
"if you think about plants the edible plant parts are hand-sized,smooth, brightly coloured and taste like plants. what we do to animal tissue to make it acceptable to us, we take it we skin it we cut it into smooth hand-sized objects and take blood out of it and cook it and cover it with plant products to make it taste like plants. we dont want animal tissue or else we eat it the way carnivores do, wet silmy bloody rotting, but we take it to make it to look and taste and smell like plants in order to make it acceptable"
"the reason we like to smell like plants is because that is a signal to brain that we have ingesting compounds that make us healthier, live longer and more resistant to disease"
"all b12 is made by bacteria, no plant or animal makes b12, when human beings were living in more natural setting, humans got b12 from the dirt and water sources, but nowadays we have eliminated the natural sources of b12"

listen to this nigga, he knows a lot about why humans are HERBIVORES and NOT CARNIVORES OR OMIVORES!!!

 

[subhuman incel]

Look at those healthy and happy 98 years old vegan:

 

[subhuman incel]

jfl if you think you can kill an ainmal with your canines

 

[Deleted member 14848]

You must be clinically retrated honstly
Did you ever did an iq test or had delayed development?

"we are designed to strictly eat a plant based diet"

cope just a meaningless statement

"diets with large amounts of animal foods are associated with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, auto immune disease, high blood pressure, stroke"

cope no proof

"we just hvae to look at our jaw structure,

we are intermediate between true herbivores and carnivores but kinda irrelevant cause we don't hunt like that

stomach acidity

very acidic

, the length of your intestines

7:1 shorter than any herbivore and most simliar to dogs and bears

to see if we are herbivores"
"none of the people who put out these theories(saying humans are carnivore or omnivore) are physicians"

there are physicians who say that and even that is irrelevant cause it doesn't make something true or not

"no way stone age human could hunt efficiently enough to gather enough animal food to make that their primary nutrition""

they could, shit point cause eskimos disprove that
it's rather the opposite cause in cold environment a human can't survive plamt based cause we can't digest fibre

"humans dont have the physiolgy of a scavenger, most predators dont leave enough tissue on their kills to scavenge, and if there is food left they guard those kills jealously and dont allow humans to scavenge"

cope cause every predator is to a degree a scavenger and according to the logic there are no scavengers

"there is no advantage for humans to eat a large amount of protein

there is, improved growth, improved muscle mass which are the most important things

, human brain burns carbs

not true

, protein is not preferred for brain, our bodies cant store excessive protein, any protein we overtake is gonna be converted into carbs, the process that converts is engery costly, dehydrates us, doesnt give us physiliogic benefit"

then just don't eat excessive lol

"humans developed a big brain becaue of meat is an illogical argument, it makes no sense, nothing about meat that stimualtes brain development,

protein, vitamins something that every toddler knows

carnivores dont have the biggest brains"

They do, predators have bigger brains and neurocrania than their prey
Your nigga doctor has no clue of what he's talking about

"reason why plants are so colourful and bright to the human eye is because we herbivore and we are designed to eat those foods"

meanwhile humans have front facing eyes and adaptet to day time hunting

"if you think about plants the edible plant parts are hand-sized,smooth, brightly coloured and taste like plants. what we do to animal tissue to make it acceptable to us, we take it we skin it we cut it into smooth hand-sized objects and take blood out of it and cook it and cover it with plant products to make it taste like plants. we dont want animal tissue or else we eat it the way carnivores do, wet silmy bloody rotting, but we take it to make it to look and taste and smell like plants in order to make it acceptable"

Huge cope, humans ate raw meat for millions of years

"the reason we like to smell like plants is because that is a signal to brain that we have ingesting compounds that make us healthier, live longer and more resistant to disease"

no proof

"all b12 is made by bacteria, no plant or animal makes b12, when human beings were living in more natural setting, humans got b12 from the dirt and water sources, but nowadays we have eliminated the natural sources of b12"

no proof cause this b12 isn't bioavailable

listen to this nigga, he knows a lot about why humans are HERBIVORES and NOT CARNIVORES OR OMIVORES!!!

Your nigga doesn't know basic shit, do your own research and come back kiddo

@FastBananaCEO

 

[Deleted member 14848]

jfl if you think you can kill an ainmal with your canines

R u able to read?
Where did I say this?
And Gorillas have bigger canines tgan we do but are more plant adapted

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

you need about 200mg of vitamin C a day according to michael greger.



this is possible if you eat 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day. but if you are on an only meat diet, you wont reach that level. ye, maybe you have enough vitamin c to prevent scurvy, but it isnt optimal level. liver has 23.6mg vit C per 100g so you would have to eat 847g of liver to get to 200mg vit C, which is a lot.

how much is one serving

 

[subhuman incel]

bro if we really want to have an actualy debate on which is the healthiest diet we would have to read a fuck ton of studies on pubmed and then try to debunk each others studies which would take a long ass time. better is to just listen to high iq doctors like dr. greger, dr. fuhrman, dr.mcdougall, dr.goldhamer, dr. esselstyn, dr. neal barnard and then form your opinion. also not every doctor is high iq and knows what he is talking about. look at shawn baker for example, he was a doctor i think time ago, but got his licence taken away, he just speaks nonsens and lies. eric berg and paul saladino are also 2 famous keto/carnivore physicians, but both are retarded and dont know what they talk about. you cant trust everything you read on the internet, so much wrong information and people wanting to manipulate you. meat and dairy industry goesnt give a fuck about our health, they just care about money and want to sell their products. this whole world is corrupt and disgusting, but eventually the truth will come out that whole food plant based diet is by far the most superior diet ever.

 

[Deleted member 14848]

bro if we really want to have an actualy debate on which is the healthiest we would have to read a fuck ton of studies on pubmed and then try to debunk each others studies which would take a long ass time.

that's not how a debate works, studies are in most cases no evidience and just show correlations
meanwhile I gave you a ton of undeniable facts that prove that humans aren't herbivore but u just keep mentioning authority and have no own knowledge

better is to just listen to high iq doctors like dr. greger, dr. fuhrman, dr.mcdougall, dr.goldhamer, dr. esselstyn, dr. neal barnard and then form your opinion. also not every doctor is high iq and knows what he is talking about. look at shawn baker for example, he was a doctor i think time ago, but got his licence taken away, he just speaks nonsens and lies. eric berg and paul saladino are also 2 famous keto/carnivore physicians, but both are reported and dont know what they talk about.

Huge coping, appeal to authority and only the authority who supports your ooinion is rigth while everyone else is wrong

you cant trust everything you read on the internet, so much wrong information and people wanting to manipulate you.

then tell me what's wrong about the stuff I said
meanwhile you just quote people from the internet which spread bullshit

meta and dairy industry goesnt give a fuck about our health, they just care about money and want to sell their products.

so does every industrie, no argument

this whole world is corrupt and disgusting, but eventually the truth will come out that whole food plant based diet is by far the most superior diet ever.

cope cause debunked
y

 

[Baldingman1998]

Humans are omnivores like bears or some shit and also we should eat bugs unironically

 

[pizza]

Humans are omnivores like bears or some shit and also we should eat bugs unironically

bible say no

 

[Baldingman1998]

bible say no

Bible is old version update to islam

Spoiler

just kidding both are outdated and wrong

 

[pizza]

Bible is old version update to islam

Spoiler

just kidding both are outdated and wrong

outdated?
there is nothing new under the sun

 

[Baldingman1998]

outdated?
there is nothing new under the sun

That's what every religion says about itself. Every religion is the chosen one, the right one, etc. Etc.

 

[pizza]

That's what every religion says about itself. Every religion is the chosen one, the right one, etc. Etc.

I'm not telling you that the bible is right or wrong, I'm just saying that the knowledge of some religions (even pagan ones) are valid, basically I'm saying what I'm saying, there's nothing new under the sun,we're not playing any MOBA to keep changing meta,so it won't be outdated,and seems like you speak as if the bible was written by humans

 

[Baldingman1998]

I'm not telling you that the bible is right or wrong, I'm just saying that the knowledge of some religions (even pagan ones) are valid, basically I'm saying what I'm saying, there's nothing new under the sun,we're not playing any MOBA to keep changing meta,so it won't be outdated,and seems like you speak as if the bible was written by humans

I believe all religions were made by humans. And we might never know the reality in our lifetime. I just believe what I believe because of what I deem as more logical

 

[Deleted member 14848]

I believe all religions were made by humans. And we might never know the reality in our lifetime. I just believe what I believe because of what I deem as more logical

Do you believe in god or a higher force?

 

[pizza]

I believe all religions were made by humans. And we might never know the reality in our lifetime. I just believe what I believe because of what I deem as more logical

Do you believe in god or a higher force?

 

[Baldingman1998]

Do you believe in god or a higher force?

Yes

 

[volcelfatcel]

Yes

 

[Baldingman1998]

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Inb4 triggered Christians and Muslims because images of the prophet are forbidden(even positive)

 

[Clark69]

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[Heguldus]

All Ik is majority of vegans look like malnurished ugly skeletons