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This forum and the web is infected with this strain of iqcel skepticism regarding bonesmashing. You post results, they cry "bonesmashing is cope".
I'm gonna be using Heartache's post as the prime example because it seems to be the most comprehensive and most wrong anti-bonesmash post I could find on the forum. Every midwit skeptic just parrots their arguments, so dismantling them dismantles 90% of the opposition automatically
" .. random, iregular bone spurs and asymmetrical bumps ..." - Heartache
Asymmetry requires differential growth between sides. If literally nothing was happening to your bone as you claimed, both sides would stay identical forever. You can't have asymmetry from nothing. the very existence of this "risk" proves something is actually being deposited or remodeled.
it's like saying "don't take steroids, they don't build muscle AND you'll get uneven growth."
"... immediate increase in size people see in the mirror isn't bone growth. It’s edema (fluid pooling) and hematomas (internal bleeding)" - Heartache
Acute inflammatory edema drains in days. Organized subperiosteal hematomas take years to reabsorb, if they ever fully do. @jotunnr already broke this down: there are two phases. the acute "firmness" (histamines, macrophages, temporary swelling) and the "calcification" phase where blood coagulates, organizes, and hardens into permanent tissue.
"[Blunt force] creates woven bone a quick, chaotic, mechanically weak emergency patch" - Heartache
… and then it remodels into lamellar bone over 6-18 months through normal bone turnover. Every fracture repair goes from woven to lamellar. Every bone graft goes from woven to lamellar. Every orthognathic surgery goes from woven to lamellar. Why are you acting like woven bone is the final state?
"The entire premise relies on misapplying Wolff’s Law, which states that bone adapts to the loads under which it is placed" - Heartache
Nobody is claiming Wolff's law is the mechanism here. Wolff's law is about mechanotransduction from pressure. Periosteal reaction to trauma is a different mechanism entirely. When you fracture a bone, the periosteum lays down new bone. When you have chronic irritation, the periosteum lays down new bone
"You're not sculpting your skeleton, you're tenderizing your own soft tissue" - Heartache
For once you're half right. We aren't "sculpting skeleton" through osteogenesis. What we're actually doing is creating subperiosteal hematomas that organize into scar tissue and ossify over time. We're building up tissue on top of the bone through controlled trauma. The periosteum lays down woven bone to stabilize the blood pocket, which remodels into permanent tissue that adds projection and width. Organized scar tissue and hematoma ossification don't just vanish. They become permanent structural volume that changes your facial contour. Whether it's real bone growth or tissue deposition on bone is irrelevant
"Craniofacial bones don't remodel like leg bones. Once you reach adulthood, these bones have minimal capacity for load-induced hypertrophic widening" - Heartache
You're fixated on the wrong mechanism. Load-induced hypertrophic widening isn't even what we're claiming. Adults create subperiosteal hematomas that organize into scar tissue and potentially ossify. They don't need the underlying bone to "remodel" or widen.
But since you brought it up, it is false that facial bones are "frozen" after 18. The mandible undergoes continuous remodeling throughout life. That's how orthodontics works. That's how mewing (supposedly) works. "Intramembranous ossification" doesn't mean fossilized, it means no growth plates. The bone still changes thickness, density, and contour.
Not that it matters. We don't need the bone to remodel when we can deposit permanent tissue on top of it.
"... orthognathic surgery, genioplasty, or custom implants are the only ways to physically alter skeletal positioning …" - Heartache
Yeah... surgery works by creating controlled trauma:
Genioplasty: Cut the bone, let trauma response heal it (woven -> lamellar)
Implants: Foreign body induces scar tissue formation under periosteum
Bone grafts: Trauma to site triggers healing cascade
When a surgeon creates trauma for $15k, it's "medicine" but when you do it for free, it's "cope"
? The same surgeons who say bonesmashing is "impossible" will schedule you for a genioplasty next week. Both procedures work by creating controlled trauma to the periosteum and allowing the body to deposit new tissue. The only difference is who's holding the tool.
Also notice who's generally giving this type of advice on the internet: mainly maxillofacial surgeons whose entire income depends on you believing only surgery can alter your facial structure:
"The risks of repeated facial impact are not theoretical... Permanent facial asymmetry from uneven, unpredictable bone healing" - https://buraksercanercin.co/blog/bonesmashing-jawline-trend/
Yeah... let me get this straight. Striking facial bone causes "permanent facial asymmetry from uneven, unpredictable bone healing" but also "doesn't work"?
If there's "unpredictable bone healing," that means bone is healing. If there's asymmetry, that means differential growth is occurring. You can't have healing and asymmetry from a mechanism that "does nothing."
These fags are protecting the surgery industry by dismissing free alternatives while funneling you toward paid procedures. Don't fall for propaganda
Peace out.
I'm gonna be using Heartache's post as the prime example because it seems to be the most comprehensive and most wrong anti-bonesmash post I could find on the forum. Every midwit skeptic just parrots their arguments, so dismantling them dismantles 90% of the opposition automatically
" .. random, iregular bone spurs and asymmetrical bumps ..." - Heartache
Asymmetry requires differential growth between sides. If literally nothing was happening to your bone as you claimed, both sides would stay identical forever. You can't have asymmetry from nothing. the very existence of this "risk" proves something is actually being deposited or remodeled.
it's like saying "don't take steroids, they don't build muscle AND you'll get uneven growth."
"... immediate increase in size people see in the mirror isn't bone growth. It’s edema (fluid pooling) and hematomas (internal bleeding)" - Heartache
Acute inflammatory edema drains in days. Organized subperiosteal hematomas take years to reabsorb, if they ever fully do. @jotunnr already broke this down: there are two phases. the acute "firmness" (histamines, macrophages, temporary swelling) and the "calcification" phase where blood coagulates, organizes, and hardens into permanent tissue.
"[Blunt force] creates woven bone a quick, chaotic, mechanically weak emergency patch" - Heartache
… and then it remodels into lamellar bone over 6-18 months through normal bone turnover. Every fracture repair goes from woven to lamellar. Every bone graft goes from woven to lamellar. Every orthognathic surgery goes from woven to lamellar. Why are you acting like woven bone is the final state?
"The entire premise relies on misapplying Wolff’s Law, which states that bone adapts to the loads under which it is placed" - Heartache
Nobody is claiming Wolff's law is the mechanism here. Wolff's law is about mechanotransduction from pressure. Periosteal reaction to trauma is a different mechanism entirely. When you fracture a bone, the periosteum lays down new bone. When you have chronic irritation, the periosteum lays down new bone
"You're not sculpting your skeleton, you're tenderizing your own soft tissue" - Heartache
For once you're half right. We aren't "sculpting skeleton" through osteogenesis. What we're actually doing is creating subperiosteal hematomas that organize into scar tissue and ossify over time. We're building up tissue on top of the bone through controlled trauma. The periosteum lays down woven bone to stabilize the blood pocket, which remodels into permanent tissue that adds projection and width. Organized scar tissue and hematoma ossification don't just vanish. They become permanent structural volume that changes your facial contour. Whether it's real bone growth or tissue deposition on bone is irrelevant
"Craniofacial bones don't remodel like leg bones. Once you reach adulthood, these bones have minimal capacity for load-induced hypertrophic widening" - Heartache
You're fixated on the wrong mechanism. Load-induced hypertrophic widening isn't even what we're claiming. Adults create subperiosteal hematomas that organize into scar tissue and potentially ossify. They don't need the underlying bone to "remodel" or widen.
But since you brought it up, it is false that facial bones are "frozen" after 18. The mandible undergoes continuous remodeling throughout life. That's how orthodontics works. That's how mewing (supposedly) works. "Intramembranous ossification" doesn't mean fossilized, it means no growth plates. The bone still changes thickness, density, and contour.
Not that it matters. We don't need the bone to remodel when we can deposit permanent tissue on top of it.
"... orthognathic surgery, genioplasty, or custom implants are the only ways to physically alter skeletal positioning …" - Heartache
Yeah... surgery works by creating controlled trauma:
Genioplasty: Cut the bone, let trauma response heal it (woven -> lamellar)
Implants: Foreign body induces scar tissue formation under periosteum
Bone grafts: Trauma to site triggers healing cascade
When a surgeon creates trauma for $15k, it's "medicine" but when you do it for free, it's "cope"
? The same surgeons who say bonesmashing is "impossible" will schedule you for a genioplasty next week. Both procedures work by creating controlled trauma to the periosteum and allowing the body to deposit new tissue. The only difference is who's holding the tool.Also notice who's generally giving this type of advice on the internet: mainly maxillofacial surgeons whose entire income depends on you believing only surgery can alter your facial structure:
"The risks of repeated facial impact are not theoretical... Permanent facial asymmetry from uneven, unpredictable bone healing" - https://buraksercanercin.co/blog/bonesmashing-jawline-trend/
Yeah... let me get this straight. Striking facial bone causes "permanent facial asymmetry from uneven, unpredictable bone healing" but also "doesn't work"?
If there's "unpredictable bone healing," that means bone is healing. If there's asymmetry, that means differential growth is occurring. You can't have healing and asymmetry from a mechanism that "does nothing."
These fags are protecting the surgery industry by dismissing free alternatives while funneling you toward paid procedures. Don't fall for propaganda
Peace out.
