Marsiere214
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this doesnt mean anythingYou never needed to be a mogger to get in relationships. You need to be a mogger to fuck a new woman every week from dating apps or the bar.
edit: double post.
good old days man, good ol days.
>good looking guy claims it's all about personalityVaush is right.
You never needed to be a mogger to get in relationships. You need to be a mogger to fuck a new woman every week from dating apps or the bar.
The black pill is completely true if you look at certain demographics and untrue when you look at others. People here do not understand this because they're retarded non neurotypical fucks.
loli =/= probably pedophile, you can say it increases the chance for sure but it doesnt make it probableNah probably is, his porn folder was full of lolis. He said he thought they were 'shortstacks'
Nothing wrong with that, its just drawings though.
That stops being the blackpill and starts being commons sense, because most people dont deny looks play a role. And its not "blackpill" - theres nothing blackpilling about the fact that when talking about relationships that involve nothing but looks i.e. a ONS, looks hold a much higher weight in the equation of SMV.Vaush is right.
You never needed to be a mogger to get in relationships. You need to be a mogger to fuck a new woman every week from dating apps or the bar.
The black pill is completely true if you look at certain demographics and untrue when you look at others. People here do not understand this because they're retarded non neurotypical fucks.
how does it add or subtract value?That's not the same thing! A man having many partners and a woman is very different. A man gets higher value the more he sleeps around, whereas for women it's the inverse.
cringeAsshole? No. Rationalist? Yes.
A man having many sexual encounters only adds to his attractiveness. Women look at him and think "what a stud, he must really have it going for him". If a man never gets sex they assume there must be something wrong with him.how does it add or subtract value?
>Explains how people like you aren't interested in addressing underlying issues affecting men.
>Explains how blackpillers' beliefs about attractiveness and relationships have been skewed by cherry-picked data and misinterpretation.
>Explains how societal pressures and stereotypes contribute to the incel/blackpill mindset.
>Explains how various social and psychological factors, not just looks, influence one's success in dating.
>Explains how misogyny and toxic masculinity perpetuated within incel/blackpill communities contribute to their own issues.
>Explains how some individuals, regardless of appearance, find fulfilling relationships through empathy, communication, and personal growth.
>Explains why the fact that some below average men struggle with dating isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that it's all about looks.
>Everything said in the video is supported by psychological research and expert analysis.
>Provides practical steps and resources for incels to improve their outlook and well-being.
Where is YOUR evidence to back up your baseless claims about attractiveness and relationships? By all means, watch the whole video; I assure you, you can't debunk it.
>inb4 I get told to shut up by someone who hasn't watched the video and is triggered by these FACTS.
>inb4 someone says oppressing women is good.
>inb4 someone suggests enforced relationships.
>inb4 someone uses anecdotal evidence.
>inb4 someone cites dating statistics without an analysis of the broader context or societal factors.
>inb4 someone calls me a beta.
>inb4 someone says "cope" because his incel mind is challenged by a different perspective.
keep the discussion focused and refrain from resorting to the tactics mentioned above in the inb4 section. Be open-minded and engage with the video and discussion WITH SOURCES.
i'm open to having my mind changed, but only with reliable sources that provide a comprehensive substantiation of the claims and account for all the complexities involved.
Source? How different is the number from the one for women? Proof that its due to looks?Most bluepilled normies (most young men) are also single so this counts to the blackpill
proof that its higher than for attractive men?most attractive women are not single (they are dating more men) another blackpill
>dating apps which are meant to isolate mate finding down to looks onlymore ugly people get ignored in dating apps and social media overall and only pretty people go viral (another blackpill)
thats not blackpilled, and popularity isnt anymore exterior than a good moral character lmaosociety values more exterior things like money, popularity and looks (another pill)
most men dont want to have kids early as wellmost women nowadays don't wanna have kids early and they want the husband to earn more or the same as them (a RP) due to economic problems
What about more extroverted, more intelligent, etc.etc. people? Do you have any data on that or we're just gonna look at what suits the narrative.Pretty people have more chance to get job opportunities and friends (classic BP).
Are you being vague on purpose? How masculine exactly? And How the fuck does this prove hypergamy??? If society was filled with ogre men then it would stop being hypergamy - so its not in their natureWomen still like masculine even in an era filled up with weak and useless men (proves female nature = hypergamy).
CulturalWomen don't approach men
more vague pointsthey only would want GL guys on social media and IRL (empiric proof)
What if vaush believes that whenever women sleep around with a ton of men it adds to their value? Then for him, in his relationship, its not any different from the man doing the sameA man having many sexual encounters only adds to his attractiveness. Women look at him and think "what a stud, he must really have it going for him". If a man never gets sex they assume there must be something wrong with him.
For women it's the opposite. If she has double digit bodycount then guys think she's a slut and it subtracts from their willingness to engage with her, especially in a committed relationship.
No, this is natural law and totally universal all throughout time and culture.What if vaush believes that whenever women sleep around with a ton of men it adds to their value? Then for him, in his relationship, its not any different from the man doing the same
What you just described isnt a law of the universe, its a cultural belief that depends on any given individual buying into it for it to apply to him and his relationship
And yet its being reversed in the modern age which is why women are more comfortable with having higher bodycountsNo, this is natural law and totally universal all throughout time and culture.
I think you misunderstand.And yet its being reversed in the modern age which is why women are more comfortable with having higher bodycounts
Seems like its not a natural law
And im saying its not, since that preference is changing in the modern age (leading to women being more comfortable with subverting it)I think you misunderstand.
What I'm saying is it's natural law for men to prefer women with lower bodycounts.
Well, your wrong. Jew mastermind and narcissistic psychopath Sam Vaknin says that men will always feel an aversion towards sluts.And im saying its not, since that preference is changing in the modern age (leading to women being more comfortable with subverting it)
Im not arguing with Sam Vaknin, do YOU have any arguments for that or?Well, your wrong. Jew mastermind and narcissistic psychopath Sam Vaknin says that men will always feel an aversion towards sluts.
It's a little hard to make a logics based argument on it since it isn't always based on purely logical reasons. It's like providing hard data for why you're in love with someone.Im not arguing with Sam Vaknin, do YOU have any arguments for that or?
Thats not analogous. Not having an understanding of the psychology behind a personal feeling of yours, and in turn not being able to communicate it to an external party, is much different from making a claim about a law of nature. The latter can only arrived at through reasoning, you can't just feel it.It's a little hard to make a logics based argument on it since it isn't always based on purely logical reasons. It's like providing hard data for why you're in love with someone.
But this hypothetical hardcoded instinct in men only makes sense in a natural setting and breaks down in modern society. You can easily have sex with dozens of people before deciding to focus on raising children. And men can gauge how faithful a woman is without using this obsolete proxy of "bodycount". How attached she is to you, even more-so.But you could say it makes sense evolutionarily that men would want a faithful woman that is willing to put full focus into raising that males offspring (one that is often referred to here as hqnp). Women who sleep around a lot often develop emotional problems and problems with attachment.
But if i ask Vaush he'll tell me he doesnt care about bodycount. I guess anyone who disagrees with my theory is lying. Btw the theory can only be tested by asking people and seeing if their answer supports it.You can just ask men. Just make sure there are no women around or they may virtue signal and give a more bluepilled answer the appease the women.
What if I want a ONS or casual sex. Then I'm fucked, right?That stops being the blackpill and starts being commons sense, because most people dont deny looks play a role. And its not "blackpill" - theres nothing blackpilling about the fact that when talking about relationships that involve nothing but looks i.e. a ONS, looks hold a much higher weight in the equation of SMV.
What is the quality of those women? I'm not talking about that short balding slayer friend who somehow ended up with a stacy that everyone on the internet supposedly knows. I'm talking about in general, what is the looks level of those women? And how do they compare to the gf of the resident chad?there are women IRL with non GL guys therefore wrong
the guy i was responding to mentioned slaying women every week, which yeah is def more looks heavyWhat if I want a ONS or casual sex. Then I'm fucked, right?
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Then are you arguing that anyone can make it to the point of slaying high quality women every week provided that they work hard enough?the guy i was responding to mentioned slaying women every week, which yeah is def more looks heavy
but i guess you can improve your looks as much as possible + if you do it the IRL route (less looks heavy than online dating) you need social skills which is entirely different from blackpill beliefs
Our brains haven't evolved to adapt to modern conditions. This is e.g. the reason why we still crave sugar, even though sugar is now incredibly easy to access for anyone living in a first world country.Thats not analogous. Not having an understanding of the psychology behind a personal feeling of yours, and in turn not being able to communicate it to an external party, is much different from making a claim about a law of nature. The latter can only arrived at through reasoning, you can't just feel it.
But this hypothetical hardcoded instinct in men only makes sense in a natural setting and breaks down in modern society. You can easily have sex with dozens of people before deciding to focus on raising children. And men can gauge how faithful a woman is without using this obsolete proxy of "bodycount". How attached she is to you, even more-so.
But if i ask Vaush he'll tell me he doesnt care about bodycount. I guess anyone who disagrees with my theory is lying. Btw the theory can only be tested by asking people and seeing if their answer supports it.
Also this doesn't prove its a natural law, and i'm sure if i were to ask men in saudi arabia vs men in sweden vs men in japan, i'd get very different answers. If i go back 50, 100, 1000 years i'm sure the same will apply. Hence your natural law can be subverted.
nigga what? I said the importance depends on what you're trying to do. It's never totally irrelevant but its also never totally the whole picture>good looking guy claims it's all about personality
blackpiller =That stops being the blackpill and starts being commons sense, because most people dont deny looks play a role. And its not "blackpill" - theres nothing blackpilling about the fact that when talking about relationships that involve nothing but looks i.e. a ONS, looks hold a much higher weight in the equation of SMV.
How is this blackpill??? Their looks are similar to their husband's on average, so for chad's gfs the average would be higher.What is the quality of those women? I'm not talking about that short balding slayer friend who somehow ended up with a stacy that everyone on the internet supposedly knows. I'm talking about in general, what is the looks level of those women? And how do they compare to the gf of the resident chad?
You also know nothing of the quality of their relationships. What is the woman in that supposed relationship thinking? Is she using him for money? Is she fantasizing about her chad ex? I would posit an argument that this happens more frequently with women that are with ugly men than with women that are with good looking men.
You also know nothing of the quality of their relationships. What is the woman in that supposed relationship thinking? Is she using him for money? Is she fantasizing about her chad ex? I would posit an argument that this happens more frequently with women that are with ugly men than with women that are with good looking men.
I think you and I have a different view of what the blackpill is. I can walk down the street and pick up landwhales I see and make her my gf if I approach enough of them, no problem. But that's not what I want for myself. What I'm arguing is that the weight of looks overpowers any effort I can feasibly invest in myself to ascend to the level that I want.How is this blackpill??? Their looks are similar to their husband's on average, so for chad's gfs the average would be higher.
However this is completely different from the extreme statement the other guy made - "they only would want GL guys on social media and IRL" i just explained why its not "only" GL guys. Therefore no single person can use that argument as definitive proof they themselves cant get a GF.
Nobody denies that looks are a factor in dating, bluepillers simply deny it having a weight of 0.9+ or whatever the blackpill claims. If bluepillers say it has a weight of 0.3 for example, then no shit looks levels would correlate between the genders.
Again, this isn't proving your blackpill shit at all. This is what you would expect to happen statistically when you restrict one of the factors in SMV to it's bottom 10% value, regardless of how significant the factor is.
Highly depends on what you mean by "can". If a 5'2 balding autistic indian man wanted to slay stacies? I mean he'd have to go to extraordinary measures to do so, to the point where i dont think he'd even consider it worth the results.Then are you arguing that anyone can make it to the point of slaying high quality women every week provided that they work hard enough?
Then correct me if I'm wrong. The bluepill means that anyone can have a decent relationship provided that they work on themselves enough.Highly depends on what you mean by "can". If a 5'2 balding autistic indian man wanted to slay stacies? I mean he'd have to go to extraordinary measures to do so, to the point where i dont think he'd even consider it worth the results.
Nobody claims you can realistically slay stacies as a bottom 1% guy tho, this doesnt have anything to do with bluepill beliefs
Bodycount isnt a sensory perception like sweetness though, its not even observable. Its something you conceptualize in the context of your environment and society, based on which your brain can come to very different conclusions. Having a high bodycount in prehistory probably meant you abandoned your children or couldnt keep them alive multiple times. In the modern age it means you had fun multiple times. The concept of a bodycount communicates completely different things in the two contexts. Its literally why i asked you this:Our brains haven't evolved to adapt to modern conditions. This is e.g. the reason why we still crave sugar, even though sugar is now incredibly easy to access for anyone living in a first world country.
lso this doesn't prove its a natural law, and i'm sure if i were to ask men in saudi arabia vs men in sweden vs men in japan, i'd get very different answers. If i go back 50, 100, 1000 years i'm sure the same will apply. Hence your natural law can be subverted.
Then you have unreasonable expectations and your views have nothing to do with the blackpill. Not being able to get women who are consistently more attractive than you with 0 effort isnt some great injustice worth being labeled as a blackpill.I think you and I have a different view of what the blackpill is. I can walk down the street and pick up landwhales I see and make her my gf if I approach enough of them, no problem. But that's not what I want for myself. What I'm arguing is that the weight of looks overpowers any effort I can feasibly invest in myself to ascend to the level that I want.
And it's not just about dating. How we are treated by society in general is determined by looks a lot more than we're willing to admit.
Now you're replying to your own comment. Anyway I made a poll and it shows that most people out of the sample clearly agree with me.Bodycount isnt a sensory perception like sweetness though, its not even observable. Its something you conceptualize in the context of your environment and society, based on which your brain can come to very different conclusions. Having a high bodycount in prehistory probably meant you abandoned your children or couldnt keep them alive multiple times. In the modern age it means you had fun multiple times. The concept of a bodycount communicates completely different things in the two contexts. Its literally why i asked you this:
Do you seriously think we'd get relatively identical answers? And i mean the % of people who dont care at all, and for those who do - what's the average amount of impact it has on their perception of women? What do they consider a high bodycount? Literally all of these would differ massively, and it makes sense considering there are people who think showing skin on your ankles is promiscuity while others dont care about bodycounts of a few dozens.
I'm saying that the effort you put into doing that doesn't actually do anything for you. You'll eventually crash and burn as a result of investing in something that netted zero profit for you.Then you have unreasonable expectations and your views have nothing to do with the blackpill. Not being able to get women who are consistently more attractive than you with 0 effort isnt some great injustice worth being labeled as a blackpill.
Both pill ideologies assume reasonable desires and im sure both would tell you to adjust them or to accept that youre at a unique disadvantage theyre not concerned with.But what does someone who wants more than that do according to the bluepill?
Are we talking about slaying stacies here?Also, that indian man has no chance of ascension, you and I both know this you don't have to lie about it here.
Read the comment genius, i was fucking quoting myself, not replying.Now you're replying to your own comment. Anyway I made a poll and it shows that most people out of the sample clearly agree with me.
Would you wife a hoe?
Well, would you? @URL code thinks our modern society has altered men's perception and affect in regards to their desire to engage in committed relationships with previously or currently promiscuous women. I disagree, but let's see some honest opinions!looksmax.org
Furthermore, you're a sissy who likes to put rainbow dildos in your ass so I don't know why your opinion would serve as a relevant source of information to the subject matter at hand.
The bluepill then acknowledges that there are disadvantages that cannot be surpassed? I think we just have different definitions of these pills. That or you're changing the argument.Both pill ideologies assume reasonable desires and im sure both would tell you to adjust them or to accept that youre at a unique disadvantage theyre not concerned with.
Are we talking about slaying stacies here?
Logistically he does have a chance, its a question of whether anyone would bother to try hard enough. Logistically getting leg lengthening and a dozen plastic surgeries is possible, realistically its not if youre poor, nobody would bother to go to such extra-ordinate efforts for pussy.
Yeah, I think society in general looks down upon women who sleep around too much. I mean, why is it that in general (scientifically proven) that women deflate their body counts? If it's so great for their SMV to sleep around.Read the comment genius, i was fucking quoting myself, not replying.
Just say youve ran out of arguments and go
So youre denying the entire variable of "effort"?I'm saying that the effort you put into doing that doesn't actually do anything for you. You'll eventually crash and burn as a result of investing in something that netted zero profit for you.
Do you think any "bluepiller", whether self proclaimed or not, has ever said something like "a midget burn victim in a wheelchair can date a supermodel with enough effort"?The bluepill then acknowledges that there are disadvantages that cannot be surpassed? I think we just have different definitions of these pills. That or you're changing the argument.
Good point. I'm not denying that sitting around in the basement not showering for weeks will looksmin you hard.So youre denying the entire variable of "effort"?
Do you believe someone who doesnt bother to try at all has the same chances as someone who's extroverted and popular, who goes to social events all the time and uses all the dating apps? But the guy who doesnt speak to women at all has the same chance, because muh looks! Looks overpower all effort!
If not youre gonna have to define some boundaries for where effort starts to plateau.
The hole religion of Islam is based on incentivizing men to act in accordance with its commandments in order to be rewarded 72 virgins. I gave you a poll, provided a YouTube video and referenced a top psychologist. How much evidence do you want? Do you need proof that the sky is blue too? I would tell you to just leave the basement, but that would be rude. Others adviced me not to take you too seriously, so idk you might just be trolling.Read the comment genius, i was fucking quoting myself, not replying.
Just say youve ran out of arguments and go
Cool. But no one disagrees with this and it wasnt a point of contention when i argued with the other guyYeah, I think society in general looks down upon women who sleep around too much. I mean, why is it that in general (scientifically proven) that women deflate their body counts? If it's so great for their SMV to sleep around.
Your perspective would be different if you were ugly.nigga what? I said the importance depends on what you're trying to do. It's never totally irrelevant but its also never totally the whole picture