Difference between ideals and tiers for facial harmony? (and their calcs)

[River25]

I already know I'm going to get called a grey a million times in the replies, but I genuinely want to understand the difference between tiers and ideal facial harmony.

For example, I know that facial proportions are numerical relationships between parts of the face (ex: FWHR is the facial width to height ratio, explaining how wide a face is compared to how tall it is. Ratios like these are a way to give a quantifiable way to compare one face to another and approach an objective rating of how attractive someone is. These proportions are usually measured from facial landmarks (fixed points on the face that can be consistently identified across people, such as the corners of the eyes, corners of the mouth, chin, etc) -> to measure someone's FWHR, researchers first define where the width is measured and the height is measured. They compute a ratio by dividing one distance by another.

Now let me expand on ESR for this example. According to what I know, for ESR: Tier 1: 25.59, Tier 2: 19.89, Tier 3: 10.34, Tier 4: 5.65, Tier 5: -21.37, Tier 6: -59.38, Tier 7: -, Ideal: 44.3–47.4. I always thought tier 1 referred to the best version of a facial proportion or is it simply the most extreme of that proportion?

Now another example is canthal tilt. For canthal tilt: Tier 1: 12.35, Tier 2: 11.12, Tier 3: 6.18, Tier 4: 3.71, Tier 5: -3.71, Tier 6: -7.4, Tier 7: -, Ideal: 5–9°.

1. How is the ideal ratio for a face determined? (is there a statistical reason for why canthal tilts ideal range is 5-9 and not 3-6 for example?)

2. Does this mean in some cases its better to have a T3 proportion than a T1 proportion? (in canthal tilt for example having a T3 would be more ideal)

3. How is ones harmony calced in total based off their proportions?

Can I please get some high iq replies, thanks bhais

 

[sigmadihpeak]

. How is the ideal ratio for a face determined?

just to answer this, by what i know. It's calculated with the average of the ratios of the top 100 best looking people from the gender? idk i might be wrong but that's what i saw face iq do.

 

[hye732]

Now let me expand on ESR for this example. According to what I know, for ESR: Tier 1: 25.59, Tier 2: 19.89, Tier 3: 10.34, Tier 4: 5.65, Tier 5: -21.37, Tier 6: -59.38, Tier 7: -, Ideal: 44.3–47.4. I always thought tier 1 referred to the best version of a facial proportion or is it simply the most extreme of that proportion?

1. How is the ideal ratio for a face determined? (is there a statistical reason for why canthal tilts ideal range is 5-9 and not 3-6 for example?)

2. Does this mean in some cases its better to have a T3 proportion than a T1 proportion? (in canthal tilt for example having a T3 would be more ideal)

3. How is ones harmony calced in total based off their proportions?

ESR is just calculated by dividing the distance between both pupils over the byzgomatic width. the ideal is 0.45-0.47.

the ideal ratio is based off the neoclassical golden ratio in facial aesthetics, which was developed over time by numerous researchers and their independent studies

theres no T1 or T3, youre overcomplicating it, you just want the ratio as close to the ideal number (e.g. 0.45-0.47) as possible

overall facial harmony is generally just how many ratios are as close as possible to the ideal number e.g. chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25, bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35

canthal tilt is not an ideal ratio that effects facial harmony, it is a subjective desirable feature just like a downturned medial canthus or hollow cheeks

 

[River25]

ESR is just calculated by dividing the distance between both pupils over the byzgomatic width. the ideal is 0.45-0.47.

the ideal ratio is based off the neoclassical golden ratio in facial aesthetics, which was developed over time by numerous researchers and their independent studies

theres no T1 or T3, youre overcomplicating it, you just want the ratio as close to the ideal number (e.g. 0.45-0.47) as possible

overall facial harmony is generally just how many ratios are as close as possible to the ideal number e.g. chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25, bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35

canthal tilt is not an ideal ratio that effects facial harmony, it is a subjective desirable feature just like a downturned medial canthus or hollow cheeks

Thank u for the high iq response bhai I really appreciate it

Why do people use tiers to classify certain harmony proportions than? Also do you have any sources for this golden ratio and how it has been developed and researched?

 

[hye732]

Thank u for the high iq response bhai I really appreciate it

Why do people use tiers to classify certain harmony proportions than? Also do you have any sources for this golden ratio and how it has been developed and researched?

honestly, if youre just trying to look better and not an academic, verifying the golden ratio or thinking about abstractions is not going to improve your appearance. the golden ratio is just simply the most commonly accepted measurement, so its just the most reliable guide to follow for improving your appearance to others.

if you rlly want, i could probably look up some papers and use my uni email to download them for you. but imo it rlly is uneccesary and wont help to looksmax yourself unless youre writing a broader literature review.

youre much better off making changes to your own face by following this guide, than trying to follow unorthodox and/or critique the standard golden ratio

Ideal facial ratios and proportions

this is an updated version of my previous ideal facial ratios & proportions thread which can be found here facial width to height ratio (FWHR): 1.8+ measured by dividing the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone) by the height of the middle part of the eyebrow to the upper...

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[truecelaztec]

ESR is just calculated by dividing the distance between both pupils over the byzgomatic width. the ideal is 0.45-0.47.

the ideal ratio is based off the neoclassical golden ratio in facial aesthetics, which was developed over time by numerous researchers and their independent studies

theres no T1 or T3, youre overcomplicating it, you just want the ratio as close to the ideal number (e.g. 0.45-0.47) as possible

overall facial harmony is generally just how many ratios are as close as possible to the ideal number e.g. chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25, bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35

canthal tilt is not an ideal ratio that effects facial harmony, it is a subjective desirable feature just like a downturned medial canthus or hollow cheeks

tiers are for calculating how far away from ideal u are, e.g. a .42 esr is t6 cs of how deathtier u r

 

[unter ramus]

You misunderstood. The numbers that are in each tier are the number of points that are given for a particular numerical ratio of your proportions. Tier 1 is essentially an ideal range and the highest number of points is awarded for being perfect, while for example tier 6 (these are strong deviations from the ideal) much fewer or even negative points will be given for this. Simply put, tier 1,2,3 just shows how close you are to the ideal value, where tier 1 is the ideal.

 

[karmacita901]

ratios are lowkey cope when u can jus hop on liquify and move shit around and see what makes u look better