Disproving Christianity & Islam

[Deleted member 32846]

• Proposition P1: If the Christian God exists, then GodWorld is the unique best possible world.
• Proposition P2: If GodWorld is the unique best possible world, then the Christian God would maintain GodWorld.
• Proposition P3: GodWorld is false because the Universe (or any non-God object) exists.
• Conclusion: Therefore, the Christian God, as so defined, does not exist.

1. God is omniscient.
2. God is omnipotent.
3. God wants everyone to believe in him.
4. Since God is omniscient, he knows exactly what demonstration would convince any given person that he exists.
5. Since God is omnipotent, he is capable of performing this demonstration.
6. Since God wants everyone to believe in him, he wants to perform this demonstration.
7. However, atheists manifestly exist.
8. Therefore, the god described by the first three conditions does not exist.

(Free-Will isnt an argument against this, don't even reply with it)

1. If God exists, then he is perfect.

2. If God exists, then he is the creator of the universe.

3. A perfect being can have no needs or wants.

4. If any being created the universe, then he must have had some need or want.

5. Therefore, it is impossible for a perfect being to be the creator of the universe (from 3 and 4).

6. Hence, it is impossible for God to exist (from 1, 2, and 5).

1. Any god who wanted all humans to follow him/her would have revealed themselves to all humans at once, not just one culture or race at a time.
2. If rewards and punishment are given for belief and nonbelief respectively, then any god who waits hundreds or thousands of years before revealing itself to humans is unfair, since the people who lived and died before this revelation didn't have a chance to believe.
   • If believers are rewarded for their belief then it is unfair for only a specific group of people to receive more evidence than others.
   • And vice versa: if nonbelief is punished then it is also unfair for some people to receive less evidence than others (or no evidence at all).
3. Any religion that strongly reflects the beliefs and thoughts of the time in which it was created is not the "true" one.

 

[vanillaicecream]

They have zero objectively verifiable and independent evidence for the claims for their books and their god is invisible, silent, intangible and undetectable (all traits of that which doesn't exist), so... that's enough to not take any of it seriously

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

Subchad problems: disproving religion on obscure incel forums

 

[alriodai]

(Free-Will isnt an argument against this, don't even reply with it)

Just adding something brother relating to Islam:
Free will in Islam doesn't exist, as much as muzzlims trying to tell youh "muh free will", proof:

• Muhammad swears by Allah, that the writing of destiny will not allow somebody destined for hell to go to heaven and vice versa
• Adam says his mistakes were predetermined by Allah before he was created
• With Allah’s approval, Khidr kills a young boy for crimes the boy was destined to commit, had he grown up
• Allah Instructs an Angel to write the deeds, death, fortune, misfortune and livelihood of a person while they’re in the womb
• Allah says every living soul has been assigned paradise or assigned hell
• Allah says he determined all of the measures of creation 50,000 years before creation
• Allah says nothing will happen except what Allah decreed
• Allah says there is no calamity that wasn’t already recorded in his Book before happening

 

[Deleted member 20399]

every time i see one of your posts i like it, dont even need to read it

 

[ropemax]

every time i see one of your posts i like it, dont even need to read it

Good goy

 

[Deleted member 32760]

r u a muslim?

Just adding something brother relating to Islam:
Free will in Islam doesn't exist, as much as muzzlims trying to tell youh "muh free will", proof:

• Muhammad swears by Allah, that the writing of destiny will not allow somebody destined for hell to go to heaven and vice versa
• Adam says his mistakes were predetermined by Allah before he was created
• With Allah’s approval, Khidr kills a young boy for crimes the boy was destined to commit, had he grown up
• Allah Instructs an Angel to write the deeds, death, fortune, misfortune and livelihood of a person while they’re in the womb
• Allah says every living soul has been assigned paradise or assigned hell
• Allah says he determined all of the measures of creation 50,000 years before creation
• Allah says nothing will happen except what Allah decreed
• Allah says there is no calamity that wasn’t already recorded in his Book before happening

 

[Deleted member 32760]

Just adding something brother relating to Islam:
Free will in Islam doesn't exist, as much as muzzlims trying to tell youh "muh free will", proof:

• Muhammad swears by Allah, that the writing of destiny will not allow somebody destined for hell to go to heaven and vice versa
• Adam says his mistakes were predetermined by Allah before he was created
• With Allah’s approval, Khidr kills a young boy for crimes the boy was destined to commit, had he grown up
• Allah Instructs an Angel to write the deeds, death, fortune, misfortune and livelihood of a person while they’re in the womb
• Allah says every living soul has been assigned paradise or assigned hell
• Allah says he determined all of the measures of creation 50,000 years before creation
• Allah says nothing will happen except what Allah decreed
• Allah says there is no calamity that wasn’t already recorded in his Book before happening

btw, free will does exist islamically. its definition is differet to the free will you might be familiar with. allah gived people the choice, yet he knows the outcome of the choice as it was ordained previously.

 

[Deleted member 32846]

Subchad problems: disproving religion on obscure incel forums

yes

 

[Deleted member 32846]

Subchad problems: disproving religion on obscure incel forums

yes

btw, free will does exist islamically. its definition is differet to the free will you might be familiar with. allah gived people the choice, yet he knows the outcome of the choice as it was ordained previously.

free will cant exist, as it suggest things are causally independent and thats not true

 

[Deleted member 30432]

Not a molecule

 

[Deleted member 32760]

yes

free will cant exist, as it suggest things are causally independent and thats not true

no it doesn't. who believes free will is casually independent?