Dissociative Identity in National & Cultural Groups

[Jason Voorhees]

Many cultural and national groups exhibit a form of collective dissociative identity. vehemently distancing themselves from shared historical, ethnic or cultural roots as a coping mechanism for political nationalism.

I first remember reading about this in this book. The Invention of Tradition by Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger many years back explaining this phenomenon

This book mostly talks about it in European perspective and difference in between groups in white societies. How many assimilated European descended Americans like Italians Irish or Eastern European Americans downplay or forget their specific immigrant background to gravitate towards a broader white identity. There's also a very famous paper that I forget the name that also talks about this in Asian Americans context

But we can see this in ethnic groups too. Some famous examples are Pakistanis and Indians often erase ties to each other despite obvious linguistic, culinary, and pre Partition overlaps. Bangladeshis also do this to form a seperate bengali identities in an attempt to dissociation from themselves.

.Similarly, in Africa, Nigerians try to form a seperate identity from West Africans, while Black Americans downplay their African heritage for assimilation. This pattern extends to Asia too. Korean distance themselves from Japanese influences due to colonial occupation and cultural erasure, leading to ongoing historical disputes and anti Japanese sentiment. East Asians like some Chinese Americans also reject broader Asian identity or traditional roots to assert full American identity.


What are your thoughts on this? Why does this happen and what is your view?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@imontheloose @Swarthy Knight @gymceltard

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Gamerspyy786 @ReadBooksEveryday @Nexom

 

[gymceltard]

I don't know but I noticed I do it as well. I consider myself Canadian and not Chinese despite being half Chinese on my moms side.

I assume most Americans of ethnic background do the same as well.

Even Hispanics voted Trump even though Trump is a mega racist who hates them and his followers are racists who want to deport them all.

 

[imontheloose]

@imontheloose @Swarthy Knight @gymceltard

Niggers are bored and want to be different

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Niggers are bored and want to be different

British people do this too.

 

[imontheloose]

British people do this too.

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The Irish are subhuman. Look at @Clavicular. Do you think he is capable of remarkable invention?

 

[ikramy]

Probably cause humans crave to be special for some reason and they also think they are special most of the time it’s really funny ngl everyone is just a copy from the other

 

[Nexom]

What are your thoughts on this? Why does this happen and what is your view?

@Gamerspyy786 @ReadBooksEveryday @Nexom

I mostly agree with all of it, it makes sense based on how people see themselves. I've dealt with a more selective version of this in my family, since part of my family is Levantine and moved to Europe about 30 years ago. They have adopted tons of European social normals and values overtime, but... they have also retained very specific cultural practices. It's fair though, since what they've retained and shared could be perceived as rather positive or universal. Think traditional recipes, hospitality norms, etc...

Haven't thought about this deliberately until I read your post but now it makes me think this process isn't necessarily fully rejecting their roots, but moreso filtering their identity and downplaying aspects that would hinder their reputation as well as preserving elements that could even seem "interesting" or "cool" because they translate nicely across cultures.

 

[Nexom]

Also, just switched to 1440p for the first time and reading text is so much better holy shit

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@BigBallsLarry

 

[SplashJuice]

From a secular view some of the unusual practices in religious books were to distinguish themselves from the 'other', like how Jews and Muslims circumcise their sons and don't eat pork, it seems stupid but my theory as to why they starting doing those practices is to differentiate from the surrounding civilisations in the region, then it got solidified into a law. The differentiation (us vs them) mentality preceded the 'law'.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

I think this happens because people generally want to be different and not be associated with the negative stereotypes of the race they’re being associated with.

Like how India has had a bad rep pakistanis don’t want to be similar. Even in the past they never did because of religious clash (being associated with Hinduism as a Muslim or vice versa)

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@estonianslayerr

 

[Acquiescence]

Ur threadz R 2 hi Q 4 me Jasun

 

[tes12]

Some of it is just assimilation. I don't even know if it's downplaying their ethnic identity, it's more so you lose all attachment to that identity so it becomes obsolete. America had a very strong focus on assimilating other European groups, some states even went as far as banning certain languages like German from being spoken in public. Of course this is a two-way street though, you can't consider yourself apart of a larger national identity unless you are accepted by the majority. It is much easier to be accepted when you are phenotypically alike.

The other examples you gave just seem to be groups wanting to avoid any stigma from being associated with undesirable groups. If you are Pakistani in Canada, you don't want to be associated with Indians, vice versa in the UK.

Other examples you gave make very little sense. In their own home countries, why would Koreans, Japanese, or Chinese people consider themselves similar? They are completely different groups. It's like telling someone from Portugal and Sweden they are the same because they are "white." This is not something that happens outside of the Anglosphere.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Ur threadz R 2 hi Q 4 me Jasun

It's actually about a simple and primitive topic of tribalism

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Many cultural and national groups exhibit a form of collective dissociative identity. vehemently distancing themselves from shared historical, ethnic or cultural roots as a coping mechanism for political nationalism.

I first remember reading about this in this book. The Invention of Tradition by Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger many years back explaining this phenomenon

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This book mostly talks about it in European perspective and difference in between groups in white societies. How many assimilated European descended Americans like Italians Irish or Eastern European Americans downplay or forget their specific immigrant background to gravitate towards a broader white identity. There's also a very famous paper that I forget the name that also talks about this in Asian Americans context

But we can see this in ethnic groups too. Some famous examples are Pakistanis and Indians often erase ties to each other despite obvious linguistic, culinary, and pre Partition overlaps. Bangladeshis also do this to form a seperate bengali identities in an attempt to dissociation from themselves.

.Similarly, in Africa, Nigerians try to form a seperate identity from West Africans, while Black Americans downplay their African heritage for assimilation. This pattern extends to Asia too. Korean distance themselves from Japanese influences due to colonial occupation and cultural erasure, leading to ongoing historical disputes and anti Japanese sentiment. East Asians like some Chinese Americans also reject broader Asian identity or traditional roots to assert full American identity.


What are your thoughts on this? Why does this happen and what is your view?

This is common sense

All humans are Ethiopian (first humans come from there)

Yet 99% of humans don’t identity as such

So why should they?

Now some groups like asain Americans and European Americans are str8 up immagrints they have relatives in Europe and Asia and thus they are not really a new ethnic group they haven’t undergone their ethnogenesis. Black Americans have created their own culture distinct and removed from any African thy have been in the new world for literal centuries hell even I can trace my line back to the 17 hundreds and none of us have any cultural or familial ties there… so they are not African in any way they are a new ethnic group and they shouldn’t feel the need to conform or be “African” in any way as they have nothing to do with it.

If black Americans should “associate” with Africa which tbf some do like dr Umar Johnson then Indians Asians even Europeans should be forced to adopt Ethiopian and Kenyan Culture and languages after all all humans are Kenyans and Ethiopians

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I think this happens because people generally want to be different and not be associated with the negative stereotypes of the race they’re being associated with.

Like how India has had a bad rep pakistanis don’t want to be similar. Even in the past they never did because of religious clash (being associated with Hinduism as a Muslim or vice versa)

This is stupid. Indians and Pakistanis have a completely different culture ofc they aren’t the same even genetically they ain’t the same sure there overlap but they ain’t the fucking same so why would you expect them to be the same @Gengar

 

[FutureExoticChad]

Many cultural and national groups exhibit a form of collective dissociative identity. vehemently distancing themselves from shared historical, ethnic or cultural roots as a coping mechanism for political nationalism.

I first remember reading about this in this book. The Invention of Tradition by Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger many years back explaining this phenomenon

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This book mostly talks about it in European perspective and difference in between groups in white societies. How many assimilated European descended Americans like Italians Irish or Eastern European Americans downplay or forget their specific immigrant background to gravitate towards a broader white identity. There's also a very famous paper that I forget the name that also talks about this in Asian Americans context

But we can see this in ethnic groups too. Some famous examples are Pakistanis and Indians often erase ties to each other despite obvious linguistic, culinary, and pre Partition overlaps. Bangladeshis also do this to form a seperate bengali identities in an attempt to dissociation from themselves.

.Similarly, in Africa, Nigerians try to form a seperate identity from West Africans, while Black Americans downplay their African heritage for assimilation. This pattern extends to Asia too. Korean distance themselves from Japanese influences due to colonial occupation and cultural erasure, leading to ongoing historical disputes and anti Japanese sentiment. East Asians like some Chinese Americans also reject broader Asian identity or traditional roots to assert full American identity.


What are your thoughts on this? Why does this happen and what is your view?

This reminds me of the little debate we had regarding the subject of immigration and demographics. Was that what inspired this thread?

I hate immigrants

I was pretty liberal till I started working at FEDEX warehouse today with tons of ethnic immigrants Holy shit my cortisol is so high I’m sitting in the bathroom at work seething. Literally 30 ethnic migrants of all races at my job loudly speaking their ethnic durka durka languages to each...

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