Do any of you believe in afterlife?

[Jason Voorhees]

I do. There is a judgment day and justice will be served. There is a God above who will be merciful to me and my ppl but not to you atheists.

@john2

 

[FastBananaCEO]

Yeah but ironically only @werty1457 is going to hell whereas everyone else is going to heaven

 

[Deleted member 8576]

No it sounds silly.

 

[boIin]

I believe in a madisonjustin Jannah

 

[Deleted member 4310]

Gandy heaven

 

[mogstar]

No it sounds silly.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

I do. There is a judgment day and justice will be served. There is a God above who will be merciful to me and my ppl but not to you atheists.

@john2

You have no logical reason to believe what you believe.

Since there is no evidence to make me believe such a thing exists, I see absolutely no reason to believe it does.

 

[Deleted member 8576]

You have no logical reason to believe what you believe.

Since there is no evidence to make me believe such a thing exists, I see absolutely no reason to believe it does.

based hyper-logical chad

 

[Deleted member 10524]

Considering how retarded humans are I'm about 99% sure we just made it up to feel better about ourselves and the lack of any evidence whatsoever is pretty damning

 

[volcelfatcel]

You have no logical reason to believe what you believe.

Since there is no evidence to make me believe such a thing exists, I see absolutely no reason to believe it does.

The ego on us humans to think that we are entitled to an afterlife and that God chose us in this entire massive universe, that has multiple forms of life besides this planet jfl.

In the grand scheme of things we are really nothing special.

 

[volcelfatcel]

I do. There is a judgment day and justice will be served. There is a God above who will be merciful to me and my ppl but not to you atheists.

@john2

In heaven with gandy bhai. 72 jbs in the afterlife and 99th percentile forward growth

 

[Deleted member 10913]

I do. There is a judgment day and justice will be served. There is a God above who will be merciful to me and my ppl but not to you atheists.

@john2

What's your religion op?

 

[Deleted member 10913]

The ego on us humans to think that we are entitled to an afterlife and that God chose us in this entire massive universe, that has multiple forms of life besides this planet jfl.

In the grand scheme of things we are really nothing special.

You don't make any sense

 

[volcelfatcel]

You don't make any sense

I make sense. This universe is massive huge, entire galaxies undiscovered, we were randomly the chosen ones by God to have an afterlife? Seems absurd to me considering there's life besides this planet. We are animals like the rest what makes us so special that we deserve an afterlife jfl.

 

[FastBananaCEO]

You have no logical reason to believe what you believe.

Since there is no evidence to make me believe such a thing exists, I see absolutely no reason to believe it does.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Seems absurd to me considering there's life besides this planet.

Okay but let's stick to this planet now. How many life forms other then us can question themselves? Other then us none.

 

[Gargantuan]

Of course, but atheist copers will tell you otherwise. But hey, who am I to criticize them? Each to their own, I guess.

 

[Deleted member 6380]

Yeah but ironically only @werty1457 is going to hell whereas everyone else is going to heaven

If only it was like that

 

[Deleted member 13197]

I don’t know about an afterlife but I definitely believe in God

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Of course, but atheist copers will tell you otherwise. But hey, who am I to criticize them? Each to their own, I guess.

In what world is it "cope" to demand evidence for unsubstantiated claims?

I mean, consider this: Whenever someone makes a claim about a subject you care about, you probably want some sort of evidence for it, right? And the more outrageous the claim, the less likely you are to believe it unless they can provide evidence, right?

Yet when it comes to religion, you apply no such logical and rational thinking. The reason is, of course, that you've been indoctrinated from child hood.

 

[ilyess]

yup but only muslims are going to the better place, kuffars will burn in hell simple as that
embrace allah before its too late buddy boyos, ramadan kareem

 

[Gargantuan]

In what world is it "cope" to demand evidence for unsubstantiated claims?

I mean, consider this: Whenever someone makes a claim about a subject you care about, you probably want some sort of evidence for it, right? And the more outrageous the claim, the less likely you are to believe it unless they can provide evidence, right?

Yet when it comes to religion, you apply no such logical and rational thinking. The reason is, of course, that you've been indoctrinated from child hood.

Well, I could ask you the same question, where's the evidence that there is no afterlife? Your response will be just as valid as mine.
If you believe in God, there is an afterlife and if you don't believe in God, there is no afterlife. It's that simple.

And it's funny how you simply assume that I don't apply any sort of critical thinking by using buzzwords, such as ''indoctrinated'' and ''religion'' when you don't even know my story, nor my childhood.

For the record, I wasn't 'indoctrinated' as a child, like you assumed I was. In fact, both of my parents are atheists, I grew up with no God, no religion, no bible, none of that. So much so, that I was an atheist myself as a child and most of my teenage years as well.

I found God on my own, nobody forced me to find God, nor did anybody 'indoctrinate' me to get to that path. I've walked both paths, life as an atheist and life as a theist, I've seen both sides and I'm happy that has happened to me because now, I clearly realize that the latter makes more sense.

Have you walked both paths? I could assume you didn't and have been an atheist your entire life, and accuse you of being narrow-minded like you did to me, but I don't know your story and therefore, won't judge you for it.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Used to be a Christian as a kid but as I grew older I started noticing holes and inconsistencies in religion I never had thought about before. Rn I'm agnostic and I doubt an afterlife exists. I believe that after death probably nothing exists and it's the same state that was there before we were born, but who knows.

 

[Tusseleif]

No, I think we are just a brain with a conciousness and when our brain and body ceases to work we cease to exist. Reincarnation is even a more ridiculous concept to me, because if you believe in reincarnation you pretty much have to believe in souls seeing both lives technically is "you".

 

[Deleted member 5185]

[1]Well, I could ask you the same question, where's the evidence that there is no afterlife? Your response will be just as valid as mine.
If you believe in God, there is an afterlife and if you don't believe in God, there is no afterlife. It's that simple.

[2]And it's funny how you simply assume that I don't apply any sort of critical thinking by using buzzwords, such as ''indoctrinated'' and ''religion'' when you don't even know my story, nor my childhood.

For the record, I wasn't 'indoctrinated' as a child, like you assumed I was. In fact, both of my parents are atheists, I grew up with no God, no religion, no bible, none of that. So much so, that I was an atheist myself as a child and most of my teenage years as well.

I found God on my own, nobody forced me to find God, nor did anybody 'indoctrinate' me to get to that path. I've walked both paths, life as an atheist and life as a theist, I've seen both sides and I'm happy that has happened to me because now, I clearly realize that the latter makes more sense.

[3]Have you walked both paths? I could assume you didn't and have been an atheist your entire life, and accuse you of being narrow-minded like you did to me, but I don't know your story and therefore, won't judge you for it.

[1] You're asking me to prove a negative, which is impossible. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. I can't claim to be seeing ghosts, and then demand you disprove my capabilities.

[2] Sadly, I imagined you'd counter with something along these lines. Maybe you were never indoctrinated. In which case, you do clearly lack logical thinking. But I would be interested to hear how you "critically thought" yourself to reaching the conclusion that believing in God (let me get, an abrahamic god at that) was the most logical approach.

[3] This doesn't make any sense. Do you need to have been both a flat earther and a non flat earther to discredit flat earth? Of course not.

I appreciate your respectful tone, and I hope I don't come of as too harsh. I feel some amount of respect is due for you taking on the job of moderating the forum I spend a disproportionate amount of time on. But to me, I cannot imagine a logical argument for believing in god. Only emotional ones.

 

[some1h0peless]

do we have souls within ourselves or are we just flesh? will we see point blackness after death or will our souls leave our bodies to a further superior dimensional existence? there's only one way to find out, and you're going to have to wait.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Used to be a Christian as a kid but as I grew older I started noticing holes and inconsistencies in religion I never had thought about before. Rn I'm agnostic and I doubt an afterlife exists. I believe that after death probably nothing exists and it's the same state that was there before we were born, but who knows.

Common misconception.

Agnosticism is a question of whether or not you assert there being a god or not.

Atheism is a question of BELIEF. If I ask you whether or not you BELIEVE there is a god, you either answer yes or no. If you answer yes, you are a theist. If you answer no, you are an atheist.

Agnosticism is simply saying that you don't assert either stance. Most atheists are also agnosticists because atheists acknowledge that it is impossible to prove or disprove.

 

[some1h0peless]

Well, I could ask you the same question, where's the evidence that there is no afterlife? Your response will be just as valid as mine.
If you believe in God, there is an afterlife and if you don't believe in God, there is no afterlife. It's that simple.

And it's funny how you simply assume that I don't apply any sort of critical thinking by using buzzwords, such as ''indoctrinated'' and ''religion'' when you don't even know my story, nor my childhood.

For the record, I wasn't 'indoctrinated' as a child, like you assumed I was. In fact, both of my parents are atheists, I grew up with no God, no religion, no bible, none of that. So much so, that I was an atheist myself as a child and most of my teenage years as well.

I found God on my own, nobody forced me to find God, nor did anybody 'indoctrinate' me to get to that path. I've walked both paths, life as an atheist and life as a theist, I've seen both sides and I'm happy that has happened to me because now, I clearly realize that the latter makes more sense.

Have you walked both paths? I could assume you didn't and have been an atheist your entire life, and accuse you of being narrow-minded like you did to me, but I don't know your story and therefore, won't judge you for it.

what gave you so much hope to start believing in god? if you don't mind me asking.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

In what world is it "cope" to demand evidence for unsubstantiated claims?

I mean, consider this: Whenever someone makes a claim about a subject you care about, you probably want some sort of evidence for it, right? And the more outrageous the claim, the less likely you are to believe it unless they can provide evidence, right?

Yet when it comes to religion, you apply no such logical and rational thinking. The reason is, of course, that you've been indoctrinated from child hood.

It's a cope. Many studies prove that mankind is biologically hard wired to believe in God. Many tests were done at ATHEIST INDOCTRINATED countries not religious ones.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Common misconception.

Agnosticism is a question of whether or not you assert there being a god or not.

Atheism is a question of BELIEF. If I ask you whether or not you BELIEVE there is a god, you either answer yes or no. If you answer yes, you are a theist. If you answer no, you are an atheist.

Agnosticism is simply saying that you don't assert either stance. Most atheists are also agnosticists because atheists acknowledge that it is impossible to prove or disprove.

That's a pretty good point, but isn't belief the acceptance of a proposition without exhaustive evidence, why does my answer have to be binary.

If you ask me do you believe in God? Well I would say no cause I have no conviction.

What if I ask do you believe there is no god? My answer would still be no cause I have no conviction.

I think the fundamental difference lies in the answer of the second question.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

That's a pretty good point, but isn't belief the acceptance of a proposition without exhaustive evidence, why does my answer have to be binary.

If you ask me do you believe in God? Well I would say no cause I have no conviction.

What if I ask do you believe there is no god? My answer would still be no cause I have no conviction.

I think the fundamental difference lies in the answer of the second question.

To me, these seem like the same questions. If I believe in God, I automatically believe there is no God.

Belief is a matter of faith, it doesn't rely on any assertive statement. An atheist believes god doesn't exist, but doesn't necessarly claim that his non existance is factual. An agnostic simply says that he will not assert his non existance is factual.

 

[R@m@]

Is that an indian mark or a red dot?

 

[Gargantuan]

[1] You're asking me to prove a negative, which is impossible. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. I can't claim to be seeing ghosts, and then demand you disprove my capabilities.

So you admit you can't prove that there is no afterlife? See, like I said, your claim is just as valid as mine.

[2] Sadly, I imagined you'd counter with something along these lines. Maybe you were never indoctrinated. In which case, you do clearly lack logical thinking. But I would be interested to hear how you "critically thought" yourself to reaching the conclusion that believing in God (let me get, an abrahamic god at that) was the most logical approach.

You resort to the same tactic once again, using buzzwords/making descriptions that supposedly frame me as a non-critical thinker, these are not facts, this is called relying on emotional rhetoric.

And I came to that conclusion, most mainly, by looking at what is going on in the world right now. Bible prophecy is unfolding right in front of us, and I get what the counter-argument to this would look like: 'Oh well, if there are a considerable amount of claims regarding bible prophecy, in the bible, at least some of those are going to unfold'. Fair enough, but I also look at institutions, popular and secret ones, they all diametrically oppose God, so much so that they engage in blatant devil worship.
And if they believe in the devil, in terms that are described in the bible, which they do, there is also a God.

For me, this was one of the main reasons I started to believe in God. It wasn't the only one, but it sure was one the of most convincing ones I experienced.

[3] This doesn't make any sense. Do you need to have been both a flat earther and a non flat earther to discredit flat earth? Of course not.

Of course it makes sense, how can you dismiss one side of the story, when you refuse to look at the other side? You can't just leave out certain bits and pieces of a puzzle.
The flat/round earth question is a good example, though, how many round earthers have actually looked up the main arguments that flat earthers present, and have studied them in-depth? Virtually none.

Why? Because they have been taught from a young age that the earth is round, also known as indoctrination. Had they been told that the earth is flat, from a young age, they would've mocked round earthers in the same fashion that they mock flat earthers, even though they won't bother studying their side of the story.

I appreciate your respectful tone, and I hope I don't come of as too harsh. I feel some amount of respect is due for you taking on the job of moderating the forum I spend a disproportionate amount of time on. But to me, I cannot imagine a logical argument for believing in god. Only emotional ones.

I respect you for doing the same thing.
To be fair, I'm not a big fan of throwing around insults etc. simply because I don't share the same opinion of someone else (as some people like to do), I'm glad there are other people like this as well.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

[1]So you admit you can't prove that there is no afterlife? See, like I said, your claim is just as valid as mine.

You resort to the same tactic once again, using buzzwords/making descriptions that supposedly frame me as a non-critical thinker, these are not facts, this is called relying on emotional rhetoric.

[2]And I came to that conclusion, most mainly, by looking at what is going on in the world right now. Bible prophecy is unfolding right in front of us, and I get what the counter-argument to this would look like: 'Oh well, if there are a considerable amount of claims regarding bible prophecy, in the bible, at least some of those are going to unfold'. Fair enough, but I also look at institutions, popular and secret ones, they all diametrically oppose God, so much so that they engage in blatant devil worship.
[3]And if they believe in the devil, in terms that are described in the bible, which they do, there is also a God.

For me, this was one of the main reasons I started to believe in God. It wasn't the only one, but it sure was one the of most convincing ones I experienced.

[4]Of course it makes sense, how can you dismiss one side of the story, when you refuse to look at the other side? You can't just leave out certain bits and pieces of a puzzle.
The flat/round earth question is a good example, though, how many round earthers have actually looked up the main arguments that flat earthers present, and have studied them in-depth? Virtually none.

[5]Why? Because they have been taught from a young age that the earth is round, also known as indoctrination. Had they been told that the earth is flat, from a young age, they would've mocked round earthers in the same fashion that they mock flat earthers, even though they won't bother studying their side of the story.

[6]I respect you for doing the same thing.
To be fair, I'm not a big fan of throwing around insults etc. simply because I don't share the same opinion of someone else (as some people like to do), I'm glad there are other people like this as well.

[1] Again.. It is impossible to prove a negative. If I claim to see ghosts, its not up to you to disprove it, it is up to me to prove it. You claim there is an afterlife, well then you need to prove it. The burden of proof is not on me to disprove it. The same way you cannot possibly prove I can't see ghosts, I cannot possibly prove there is no afterlife. It is impossible to prove a negative.

[2] Whatever biblical prophecy exists, that doesn't prove gods existence. You might find it convincing, but it isn't rational or logical to conclude based on you finding similarities between current events and biblical prophecy. I could read a book about "law of attraction" and see amazing similarities to my life, however that doesn't logically prove that the "law of attraction" is legitimate.

[3] This doesn't make any sense. Lets assume that the entire continent of Oceania believed in and worshipped Satan. That doesn't prove gods existance nor satans existence. It only proves they believe in satan.

[4] It really doesn't. If I say gay people are the inheritors of earth and will receive it from the true God, a Crab living inside the moon, would you need to first believe in it to dismiss it? Of course not. As for flat earth, the flat earth arguments are easily disproven and anyone with google and a brain wired for critical thinking will quickly disarm any and all flat earth arguments.

[5] It is true that scientific discovery is also essentially indoctrination. Many people believe blindly in what is deemed as "proper" science. This isn't always good or correct. However when one approaches the topic with an open mind and understanding, one will discover that "round earth" is clearly proven.

[6] I'm happy that its possible to have a respectful discourse. Even if this leads nowhere and we stop typing, which is likely because of how invested we are in our respective positions, at least we have exchanged ideas and thoughts in a respectful manner.

 

[Deleted member 4310]

So you admit you can't prove that there is no afterlife? See, like I said, your claim is just as valid as mine.

You resort to the same tactic once again, using buzzwords/making descriptions that supposedly frame me as a non-critical thinker, these are not facts, this is called relying on emotional rhetoric.

And I came to that conclusion, most mainly, by looking at what is going on in the world right now. Bible prophecy is unfolding right in front of us, and I get what the counter-argument to this would look like: 'Oh well, if there are a considerable amount of claims regarding bible prophecy, in the bible, at least some of those are going to unfold'. Fair enough, but I also look at institutions, popular and secret ones, they all diametrically oppose God, so much so that they engage in blatant devil worship.
And if they believe in the devil, in terms that are described in the bible, which they do, there is also a God.

For me, this was one of the main reasons I started to believe in God. It wasn't the only one, but it sure was one the of most convincing ones I experienced.

Of course it makes sense, how can you dismiss one side of the story, when you refuse to look at the other side? You can't just leave out certain bits and pieces of a puzzle.
The flat/round earth question is a good example, though, how many round earthers have actually looked up the main arguments that flat earthers present, and have studied them in-depth? Virtually none.

Why? Because they have been taught from a young age that the earth is round, also known as indoctrination. Had they been told that the earth is flat, from a young age, they would've mocked round earthers in the same fashion that they mock flat earthers, even though they won't bother studying their side of the story.

I respect you for doing the same thing.
To be fair, I'm not a big fan of throwing around insults etc. simply because I don't share the same opinion of someone else (as some people like to do), I'm glad there are other people like this as well.

The blackpill obliterated any chance for me to become religious, I have always been an atheist but now i'll never become religious. I mean, why would I worship a God that gave me a long midface and acne scars while Chad gets to live a different life due to his bone structure?

Also, how would I know that christianity is "the right religion" when there have been literally thousands of religions in human history?

 

[Deleted member 13591]

endless abyss- no senses, no thoughts

 

[Gargantuan]

[1] Again.. It is impossible to prove a negative. If I claim to see ghosts, its not up to you to disprove it, it is up to me to prove it. You claim there is an afterlife, well then you need to prove it. The burden of proof is not on me to disprove it. The same way you cannot possibly prove I can't see ghosts, I cannot possibly prove there is no afterlife. It is impossible to prove a negative.

Well, that's mostly down to you framing the idea of there not being an afterlife as a negative, because that is the norm to you.
However, it's merely something that you believe in, a theory. Just because you hold the belief that there is no afterlife, it would still require proof to be proven. Just because there would be 'nothing' (how do you even define 'nothing'? you can't, because you've only ever known life in a physical manifestation) that doesn't mean you don't need to prove it.

[2] Whatever biblical prophecy exists, that doesn't prove gods existence. You might find it convincing, but it isn't rational or logical to conclude based on you finding similarities between current events and biblical prophecy. I could read a book about "law of attraction" and see amazing similarities to my life, however that doesn't logically prove that the "law of attraction" is legitimate.

That's your interpretation of the matter, which is emotional rhetoric and not a fact.
In your defence, I'm also like this because my interpretation is that there are too many parallels in order for me to dismiss biblical prophecy.

In the end, only time will tell who was right and who wasn't. As for now, it's all a matter of interpretation.

[3] This doesn't make any sense. Lets assume that the entire continent of Oceania believed in and worshipped Satan. That doesn't prove gods existance nor satans existence. It only proves they believe in satan.

The thing is, it isn't as insignificant as what the inhabitants of the continent of Oceania would believe in, supposedly.
I'm talking about much more powerful groups/people: politicians, world leaders, bankers, musicians, actors, people from secret societies, pretty much all of them have either gone on record or have shown through their actions that they've pledged their allegiance to satan.

Even religious leaders/churches are in on this, why would they go as far as to deceive the masses, propagate themselves as righteous people, when in reality, they do the opposite of what the bible teaches? (look at the Vatican)

Therefore, it shouldn't be downplayed since these people largely pull the strings in our world. Why would the most powerful people on this planet worship satan? just for fun?

The only way to dismiss this is to suggest that the most powerful people/institutions on this earth are playing some sort of 4d chess where they trick people, who have researched them, into believing that they worship satan when they don't in reality.
However, that seems a little too far fetched, even for me.

[4] It really doesn't. If I say gay people are the inheritors of earth and will receive it from the true God, a Crab living inside the moon, would you need to first believe in it to dismiss it? Of course not. As for flat earth, the flat earth arguments are easily disproven and anyone with google and a brain wired for critical thinking will quickly disarm any and all flat earth arguments.

Some notions are more easily disproven than others. However, some are more complicated than that and require more in-depth analysis, which involves looking at the other side of the coin.
The flat earth argument served as a reminder that people are quick to dismiss something that opposes their ideology. Can you prove that the earth is round? You can't, no matter how hard you'll try. You might come close, but there will always be a hole in your theory, meaning it's not waterproof.

[5] It is true that scientific discovery is also essentially indoctrination. Many people believe blindly in what is deemed as "proper" science. This isn't always good or correct. However when one approaches the topic with an open mind and understanding, one will discover that "round earth" is clearly proven.

As I said before, you might be able to prove it to a large extent, but you can't make it waterproof.

[6] I'm happy that its possible to have a respectful discourse. Even if this leads nowhere and we stop typing, which is likely because of how invested we are in our respective positions, at least we have exchanged ideas and thoughts in a respectful manner.

Exactly, we've had a respectful dialogue and I guess we'll agree to disagree on the matter at hand.

 

[Deleted member 2403]

No it sounds silly.

Ur silly too

 

[Gargantuan]

The blackpill obliterated any chance for me to become religious, I have always been an atheist but now i'll never become religious. I mean, why would I worship a God that gave me a long midface and acne scars while Chad gets to live a different life due to his bone structure?

Also, how would I know that christianity is "the right religion" when there have been literally thousands of religions in human history?

I'm not a religious person, as I don't follow any religion. I have a relationship with God, accept Jesus Christ as my saviour, and have the bible by my side for more guidance in life, that's all I have and need.

Religions are indeed made to deceive the masses, they teach the opposite of what the bible teaches, most mainly the Vatican.

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

Yes, am looking forward to seeing all the degenerates burn in hell

 

[Deleted member 8576]

Ur silly too

 

[Gargantuan]

what gave you so much hope to start believing in god? if you don't mind me asking.

I explained most of them in this thread, but looking at worldly affairs/finding out who really is in charge of this earth, was a powerful argument for me.

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Of course, but atheist copers will tell you otherwise. But hey, who am I to criticize them? Each to their own, I guess.

So why does god deform people

 

[Gargantuan]

So why does god deform people

Yes, there is a lot of suffering in this life, on this earth, no doubt about it.
The only way justice would be served for these people, who suffered unjustly, would be an afterlife.

Thankfully we have a good God (if you want to believe in him), who offers those who suffered unjustly (not just them, everyone has a chance of salvation, doesn't matter if you're a chad or a deformed person), the ultimate act of compensation: an afterlife.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Yes, there is a lot of suffering in this life, on this earth, no doubt about it.
The only way justice would be served for these people, who suffered unjustly, would be an afterlife.

Thankfully we have a good God (if you want to believe in him), who offers those who suffered unjustly (not just them, everyone has a chance of salvation, doesn't matter if you're a chad or a deformed person), the ultimate act of compensation: an afterlife.

The point you are addressing is, indeed, a very interesting one

When speaking about the existence of evil, people usually commit the fallacy of 'Argumentum ad ignorantium' arguing from ignorance. Just because one cannot access Divine wisdom does not mean it does not exist. This reasoning is typical of toddlers. Many children are scolded by their parents for something they want to do, such as eating too many sweets. The toddlers usually cry or have a tantrum because they think how bad mom and dad are, but the child does not realise that the wisdom underlying their objection (in this case, too many sweets are bad for their teeth).

Furthermore, they misunderstand the definition and nature of God. Since God is transcendent, knowing and wise, then it logically follows that limited human beings cannot fully comprehend the Divine will. To even suggest that we can appreciate the totality of God’s wisdom would mean that we are like God, which denies the fact of His transcendence, or implies that God is limited like a human. This argument has no traction with any believer, because no Muslim believes in a created, limited God. (This is a key difference between Islam and Christianity which we may discuss in another time Insha Allah)

Although I empathise with their concern at the suffering inflicted on fellow human beings, some atheists suffer from a veiled type of egocentrism. This means they make special effort not to see the world from any perspective other than through their own eyes. However, in doing so, they commit a type of emotional 'or spiritual' fallacy. They anthropomorphise God and turn Him into a limited man. They assume that God must see things the way we see things, and therefore He should stop the evil. If He allows it to continue, He must be questioned and rejected.

God has the picture and we just have a pixel. Understanding this facilitates spiritual and intellectual tranquillity because the believer understands that ultimately all that occurs in the world is in line with a superior Divine wisdom that is based on superior Divine goodness. Refusing to accept this is actually where the atheist falls into the quagmire of arrogance, egocentrism and ultimately despair. He has failed the test, and his misunderstanding of God makes him forget who God is, and dismisses completely the fact of Divine wisdom.

Ibn Taymiyya summarises this point as well: “If God (exalted is He) is Creator of everything, He creates good and evil on account of the wise purpose that He has in that by virtue of which His action is good and perfect.”

Under atheism, evil has no purpose. It is one of the blind forces in the world that indiscriminately chooses its prey. Those who are victims of suffering and evil have no emotional and rational perspectives to help alleviate their suffering or put their experiences into context. Someone could have suffered all their lives and just ended up in the grave. All of their suffering, sacrifice and pain would have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. Evil is viewed to occur due to prior physical processes, and those who experience evil have no recourse. They cannot attribute any type of will to it, whether human or Divine, because everything is just reduced to blind, random and non-rational physical occurrences. Thus, the logical implications of atheism are quite depressing.

Notwithstanding the discussion so far, a key objection that usually follows is “but God could create a world without suffering”. This contention is just a repackaging of the original argument; in other words, "why has God allowed evil and suffering to exist? Therefore, the same answer applies; Divine wisdom. The one who makes this objection does so because they cannot understand why there is evil and suffering in the first place, and they believe that a merciful and powerful God should prevent every evil and suffering. Nevertheless, this has already been addressed.

 

[Gargantuan]

The point you are addressing is, indeed, a very interesting one

When speaking about the existence of evil, people usually commit the fallacy of 'Argumentum ad ignorantium' arguing from ignorance. Just because one cannot access Divine wisdom does not mean it does not exist. This reasoning is typical of toddlers. Many children are scolded by their parents for something they want to do, such as eating too many sweets. The toddlers usually cry or have a tantrum because they think how bad mom and dad are, but the child does not realise that the wisdom underlying their objection (in this case, too many sweets are bad for their teeth).

Furthermore, they misunderstand the definition and nature of God. Since God is transcendent, knowing and wise, then it logically follows that limited human beings cannot fully comprehend the Divine will. To even suggest that we can appreciate the totality of God’s wisdom would mean that we are like God, which denies the fact of His transcendence, or implies that God is limited like a human. This argument has no traction with any believer, because no Muslim believes in a created, limited God. (This is a key difference between Islam and Christianity which we may discuss in another time Insha Allah)

Although I empathise with their concern at the suffering inflicted on fellow human beings, some atheists suffer from a veiled type of egocentrism. This means they make special effort not to see the world from any perspective other than through their own eyes. However, in doing so, they commit a type of emotional 'or spiritual' fallacy. They anthropomorphise God and turn Him into a limited man. They assume that God must see things the way we see things, and therefore He should stop the evil. If He allows it to continue, He must be questioned and rejected.

God has the picture and we just have a pixel. Understanding this facilitates spiritual and intellectual tranquillity because the believer understands that ultimately all that occurs in the world is in line with a superior Divine wisdom that is based on superior Divine goodness. Refusing to accept this is actually where the atheist falls into the quagmire of arrogance, egocentrism and ultimately despair. He has failed the test, and his misunderstanding of God makes him forget who God is, and dismisses completely the fact of Divine wisdom.

Ibn Taymiyya summarises this point as well: “If God (exalted is He) is Creator of everything, He creates good and evil on account of the wise purpose that He has in that by virtue of which His action is good and perfect.”

Under atheism, evil has no purpose. It is one of the blind forces in the world that indiscriminately chooses its prey. Those who are victims of suffering and evil have no emotional and rational perspectives to help alleviate their suffering or put their experiences into context. Someone could have suffered all their lives and just ended up in the grave. All of their suffering, sacrifice and pain would have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. Evil is viewed to occur due to prior physical processes, and those who experience evil have no recourse. They cannot attribute any type of will to it, whether human or Divine, because everything is just reduced to blind, random and non-rational physical occurrences. Thus, the logical implications of atheism are quite depressing.

Notwithstanding the discussion so far, a key objection that usually follows is “but God could create a world without suffering”. This contention is just a repackaging of the original argument; in other words, "why has God allowed evil and suffering to exist? Therefore, the same answer applies; Divine wisdom. The one who makes this objection does so because they cannot understand why there is evil and suffering in the first place, and they believe that a merciful and powerful God should prevent every evil and suffering. Nevertheless, this has already been addressed.

I don't need to add anything else, you pretty much said everything that needed to be said. I thoroughly agree with everything.

 

[Lasko123]

You have no logical reason to believe what you believe.

Since there is no evidence to make me believe such a thing exists, I see absolutely no reason to believe it does.

 

[Deleted member 10172]

So why does god give people extra chromosomes

 

[Rabbi]

I'm not a religious person, as I don't follow any religion. I have a relationship with God, accept Jesus Christ as my saviour, and have the bible by my side for more guidance in life, that's all I have and need.

Religions are indeed made to deceive the masses, they teach the opposite of what the bible teaches, most mainly the Vatican.

Just out of curiosity I personally am intrigued by religious texts.
Have you read the whole bible or the New Testament?

 

[Gargantuan]

Just out of curiosity I personally am intrigued by religious texts.
Have you read the whole bible or the New Testament?

Most mainly the New Testament, but I have read a few chapters from the Old Testament as well although it's been a few years since I last read those.