Do great civilisations collapse because they forget how to suffer?

[imontheloose]

I think so. Struggle is the furnace of greatness. A civilisation that forgets how to suffer forgets how to fight.

Our ancestors endured winters, war, and hunger to build the bloodlines we now inherit, yet the modern man seeks merely comfort through soft food, values, and minds. This is exactly how a people dies without even being conquered: rotting from within.

The hardship suffrage carries on its shoulders is more valuable than you may initially believe.

Spoiler

@Jason Voorhees @DR. NICKGA @Nick.Harte @Gargantuan @wishIwasSalludon

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

rotting from within.

I’m rotting on .org

 

[imontheloose]

I’m rotting on .org

Aren't we all? 7:55am for me, and I have not had more than a blink of an eye for my night's sleep.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Aren't we all? 7:55am for me, and I have not had more than a blink of an eye for my night's sleep.

It’s 2:56 for me at the moment

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

values, and minds.

I would like you to elaborate on this part if you would be inclined.

Before I say anything

 

[Daddy's Home]

Neh, it's just that people these days prefer to spend more time on the internet than making babies and spending time with them, and watching porn than having sex in real life

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

and watching porn than having sex in real life

Pretty sure men watch porn because they don’t have access to sex

Not that they don’t have access to sex because they watch porn.

 

[ThisCat]

It’s 2:56 for me at the moment

Just turned to 9am for me

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Just turned to 9am for me

I have a job interview today

 

[ThisCat]

I have a job interview today

Would you be worried about getting a j*b if you looked like this?

 

[Daddy's Home]

Pretty sure men watch porn because they don’t have access to sex

Not that they don’t have access to sex because they watch porn.

I'm talking about both genders

Due to porn, they are less ambitious/motivated to go out, touch some grass, and get some sex

 

[imontheloose]

I would like you to elaborate on this part if you would be inclined.

Before I say anything

Our ancestors had not the luxury of being raised in prosperity, rather being tempered in hardships: famine, war, disease, to name a few.

Modern civilisation, by contrast, has replaced trial with convenience. Food that once required toil now arrives instantly. Values no longer need sacrifice and instead get replaced by sloganeering. Minds once focused on duty and legacy, now chase entertainment and novelty.

Comfort made the man softer, not freer. The pursuit of ease has eroded the virtues that once protected a people: restraint, hierarchy, and sacrifice — a deadly threat, as a nation, if that is your typical man.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

wtf is @Master doing bro

Nigga just pay whatever Dalit who’s hosting ur servers his rupees already

 

[imontheloose]

Neh, it's just that people these days prefer to spend more time on the internet than making babies and spending time with them, and watching porn than having sex in real life

Precisely. Do you not believe that exact erosion at values and culture, almost, is what causes these civilisations to collapse?

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Our ancestors had not the luxury of being raised in prosperity, rather being tempered in hardships: famine, war, disease, to name a few.

Modern civilisation, by contrast, has replaced trial with convenience. Food that once required toil now arrives instantly. Values no longer need sacrifice and instead get replaced by sloganeering. Minds once focused on duty and legacy, now chase entertainment and novelty.

Comfort made the man softer, not freer. The pursuit of ease has eroded the virtues that once protected a people: restraint, hierarchy, and sacrifice — a deadly threat, as a nation, if that is your typical man.

Yes physically speaking our lives are as easy as they’ve ever been

But I wouldn’t say we lack struggles, we live in the most intellectually demanding time ever.

If you’re not able to use ur wits properly you’re pretty much fucked unless u have a wealthy family to fall back on

 

[hypernormie]

Our civilization is collapsing because oligarchs are engaging in an intentional effort to enslave the world population, it has nothing to do with suffering

 

[imontheloose]

Yes physically speaking our lives are as easy as they’ve ever been

But I wouldn’t say we lack struggles, we live in the most intellectually demanding time ever.

If you’re not able to use ur wits properly you’re pretty much fucked unless u have a wealthy family to fall back on

You're absolutely right, the modern world is mentally demanding. But it begs the question: what does it really demand for? What end does the mental strain serve? It seems like survival in a synthetic system, and adaption to an economy that rewards compliance. That's it.

People today are mentally overburdened simply to avoid ruin, without purpose beyond consumption and survival. That is just refined slavery.

Modern struggle is competitive, anxious, and completely rootless. It may feel demanding, but it produces only exhaustion.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

What end does the mental strain serve?

The end is the same as it’s always been, to keep society functioning.

Most people were farmers through history, that’s what people needed to do in order for society to function

Now we only need a very small percent of people farming, so in order for society to function we do other jobs

I don’t see how this change is inherently negative like you think

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Yes physically speaking our lives are as easy as they’ve ever been

But I wouldn’t say we lack struggles, we live in the most intellectually demanding time ever.

If you’re not able to use ur wits properly you’re pretty much fucked unless u have a wealthy family to fall back on

Soon AI will replace even the need for intellectual demands

Like how industrialization replaced the need for physical demands

Considering what you’ve said I think this idea would seem incredibly frightening to you

 

[imontheloose]

The end is the same as it’s always been, to keep society functioning.

Most people were farmers through history, that’s what people needed to do in order for society to function

Now we only need a very small percent of people farming, so in order for society to function we do other jobs

I don’t see how this change is inherently negative like you think

I see this as materially correct. But, to me, function isn't purpose; the nation isn't a machine that needs maintaining. It isn't kept alive by function alone, it needs meaning, blood, and a sense of shared destiny.

Historically, people have been rooted to their land, families, and their ancestral duty. Modern duty may sustain the body, but they no longer feel the spirit. We can be full, efficient, and orderly, yet still dead inside.

 

[imontheloose]

Soon AI will replace even the need for intellectual demands

Like how industrialization replaced the need for physical demands

Considering what you’ve said I think this idea would seem incredibly frightening to you

It is frightening to a degree. But I have seen first hand creating these things that they are awfully fallible. It isn't a god or a monster, it's just a mirror. The best of AIs are only as dangerous, stupid, or powerful as the humans behind it. The fear of AI is overhyped to normies, greatly.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

We can be full, efficient, and orderly, yet still dead inside.

with the decline of belief in God/spirituality this was bound to happen

Values in every human civilization have always been rooted in something beyond nature

We live in a time where it’s common to acknowledge nature is all there is.

Philosophers such as Camus and Nietzsche saw that this would cause the west to fall into nihilism

And they in response dedicated much of their work to finding some sort of redemption in nihilism so that society could still thrive

 

[imontheloose]

Our civilization is collapsing because oligarchs are engaging in an intentional effort to enslave the world population, it has nothing to do with suffering

How could they succeed if the people weren't already weakened? (((Intentional forces))) only succeed when we become weakened, which we have.

 

[imontheloose]

with the decline of belief in God/spirituality this was bound to happen

Values in every human civilization have always been rooted in something beyond nature

We live in a time where it’s common to acknowledge nature is all there is.

Philosophers such as Camus and Nietzsche saw that this would cause the west to fall into nihilism

And they in response dedicated much of their work to finding some sort of redemption in nihilism so that society could still thrive

Definitely. I agree with Nietzsche's diagnosis, "God is dead" but oppose the existentialist search for subjective meaning, arguing instead of a racial-spiritual rebirth of collective purpose. It should be rooted in heritage, not individual angst.

 

[imontheloose]

@ey88 @Jonas2k7 @not__cel @chadisbeingmade @Gengar what do you think? Prosperity may lead to comfort, then to decadence, then to decline; a pattern visible in the fall of Rome, Byzantium, Weimar Germany, etc... or is it more than that?

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Definitely. I agree with Nietzsche's diagnosis, "God is dead" but oppose the existentialist search for subjective meaning, arguing instead of a racial-spiritual rebirth of collective purpose. It should be rooted in heritage, not individual angst.

I understand what you’re saying but here is my criticism of that

Remember thus so far in all of human history values have been rooted in something higher than nature.

If a society is to have universal values it need to be rooted in something higher than nature, if it isn’t people will realize it’s pointless

For what you’re saying to work a resurgence in spirituality would be needed.

Personally I find the idea of a sort of spiritual resurgence to be incredibly unlike, God remains dead as nietzsche put it.

The only viable option is to find a redemption in nihilism, and that redemption cannot be rooted in universal values for reasons I explained above.

 

[imontheloose]

I understand what you’re saying but here is my criticism of that

Remember thus so far in all of human history values have been rooted in something higher than nature.

If a society is to have universal values it need to be rooted in something higher than nature, if it isn’t people will realize it’s pointless

For what you’re saying to work a resurgence in spirituality would be needed.

Personally I find the idea of a sort of spiritual resurgence to be incredibly unlike, God remains dead as niche put it.

The only viable option is to find a redemption in nihilism, and that redemption cannot be rooted in universal values for reasons I explained above.

I don't think the collapse of theology exactly carries the death of meaning. Similarly, we shouldn't look to a heaven to find permanence. We should look to blood, the chain of life, suffering, and sacrifice. It's what links us to our dead, and binds us to our unborn.

Incredibly unlikely, agreed, rather sadly, but I think a people that fights as if there is something holy in their blood, will not fall into nihilism. It will rise again, as they say.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

True. Most Americans and most ethnics wouldn't hesitate if there was a draft American Whotes/Ethnics are extremely patriotic especially the people from the south and the third world countries because they had to struggle for years for their independence. The US and many of those backward countries were also involved in my many wars. They take pride in their culture and are ready to die for their country. Hard times brings people together and creates a sense of unity. On the other hand you have Sweden and other countries that stayed neutral throughout history and have never seen war since the middle ages and we all know how the situation is now. Germany. British, France all countries citizens that used to be fiercely patriotic now dont care about their countries.

 

[imontheloose]

True. Most Americans and most ethnics wouldn't hesitate if there was a draft American Whotes/Ethnics are extremely patriotic especially the people from the south and the third world countries because they had to struggle for years for their independence. The US and many of those backward countries were also involved in my many wars. They take pride in their culture and are ready to die for their country. Hard times brings people together and creates a sense of unity. On the other hand you have Sweden and other countries that stayed neutral throughout history and have never seen war since the middle ages and we all know how the situation is now. Germany. British, France all countries citizens that used to be fiercely patriotic now dont care about their countries.

I think this is extendable to the localism we spoke of. Britain's identity was never just one thing, it's always been layered: English vs. Scottish, Northern vs. Southern, aristocrat vs. commoner. The empire gave a sense of unity, but that collapsed. What's left now is fragmented local pride, Yorkshire over Britain, football club over flag, neighbourhood over nation.

I don't think it's that us Brits don't care, it's that what we care about has shrunk. Without struggle or existential threat, loyalty drifts towards the personal and familiar. Consequently, patriotism becomes nostalgia, pride becomes regional.

Post-imperial societies typically return to the tribal: local accents, class politics, regional grudges. Not toward the flag.

Britain isn't apathetic. It's disintegrated.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

carries the death of meaning.

It doesn’t, it carries the death of universal values is what I’m saying.

as if there is something holy in their blood, will not fall into nihilism.

I don’t believe this would be sustainable because they’d just be pretending. They would know this, they need to genuinely believe they are serving something higher.

Some sort of ancestor worship would probably suit the society you describe best.

 

[imontheloose]

It doesn’t, it carries the death of universal values is what I’m saying.

Ah, I see.

Some sort of ancestor worship would probably suit the society you describe best.

Yeah, sure, that's one way to put it.

 

[Daddy's Home]

erosion at values and culture, almost, is what causes these civilisations to collapse?

This was thought 5-10 years ago, but in the last 2-3 years, after more studies and tendencies, things have become clearer

Currently, the majority of the global population, regardless of things like country, religion, values, culture, etc. more or less collapses, or goes in that direction

This statement may seem simple at first glance, but it shows an extremely profound change in the way we relate to reality and to human needs

In short:

Men want to work little and comfortably, to earn enough to survive from one month to the next, and their sexual needs are met with escorts, FWB, or porn. The rest of the time, they will most likely spend their time on the internet, isolated, away from family or communities

In the past, men wanted to work hard to have money to convince a beautiful girl to be with them in order to be respected in their communities, because people before didn't have to stay indoors in isolation, because they didn't have internet, they went out with other people and did stuff, and having a girlfriend, and even a beautiful one, increased your value in your family and in your community

Women in the past had nowhere to work to survive on their own, because the work was only physical, and only men did it for practical reasons. So women had to convince a man to marry them to support them and their children.

Women today have affordable jobs, and no longer need just any man

 

[imontheloose]

declogging the response.

Totally agree. Collapse is happening across cultures, it's the global dysgenic decline.

• Men are becoming passive, detached, and comfort-seeking; it's the rise of the urbanised, demoralised man, over the heroic masculine archetype.
• Sexual and family bonds are eroding. This is at the fault of Jewish-led liberalism and global capitalism; it is a deliberate effort to break natural reproductive order.
• Women no longer need men. Thus the family dissolves.

Curious... is sexual freedom worth the death of the family? If a population stops reproducing, does it even deserve to exist? What is your resolution to the problem, if there is any in your eyes?

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

I’m rotting on .org

 

[Willmogulater]

This is to inform u I didn't read a single molecule hope u have a great day ahead

Regards
Willmogulater

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

This was thought 5-10 years ago, but in the last 2-3 years, after more studies and tendencies, things have become clearer

Currently, the majority of the global population, regardless of things like country, religion, values, culture, etc. more or less collapses, or goes in that direction

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This statement may seem simple at first glance, but it shows an extremely profound change in the way we relate to reality and to human needs

In short:

Men want to work little and comfortably, to earn enough to survive from one month to the next, and their sexual needs are met with escorts, FWB, or porn. The rest of the time, they will most likely spend their time on the internet, isolated, away from family or communities

In the past, men wanted to work hard to have money to convince a beautiful girl to be with them in order to be respected in their communities, because people before didn't have to stay indoors in isolation, because they didn't have internet, they went out with other people and did stuff, and having a girlfriend, and even a beautiful one, increased your value in your family and in your community

Women in the past had nowhere to work to survive on their own, because the work was only physical, and only men did it for practical reasons. So women had to convince a man to marry them to support them and their children.

Women today have affordable jobs, and no longer need just any man

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Hypergamy
They Shouldnt Have This Much Freedom
This is What it Causes to Societys At Large

 

[imontheloose]

Hypergamy
They Shouldnt Have This Much Freedom
This is What it Causes to Societys At Large

Curious... is sexual freedom worth the death of the family? If a population stops reproducing, does it even deserve to exist? What is your resolution to the problem, if there is any in your eyes?

 

[R@m@]

I feel like there's something very wrong with this society

There was a power outage in my country for only 12 hours and everyone was suddenly different like they weren't acting on their social mask

I hope it collapses soon

 

[Snicket]

I think so. Struggle is the furnace of greatness. A civilisation that forgets how to suffer forgets how to fight.

Our ancestors endured winters, war, and hunger to build the bloodlines we now inherit, yet the modern man seeks merely comfort through soft food, values, and minds. This is exactly how a people dies without even being conquered: rotting from within.

The hardship suffrage carries on its shoulders is more valuable than you may initially believe.

Spoiler

@Jason Voorhees @DR. NICKGA @Nick.Harte @Gargantuan @wishIwasSalludon

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

@imontheloose Sexual Freedom Is Not Worth the Death of Family. If a Population Stops Reproducing For The Reasons Were Talking About Now; The Women are At Fault. They Deserve to Be Stripped of Such Freedoms & Power - Like of Hypergamy & Start Forming Relationships With Ones On Their Level. They Need to Embrace the Family, Children, & Motherhood. Old Hags love Spouting this Bullshit Like Their Entire Body Isnt Made to House & Produce Life. What it Means to Be a Women Is to Be a Mother

 

[imontheloose]

There was a power outage in my country for only 12 hours and everyone was suddenly different like they weren't acting on their social mask

Wasn't this coincidentally after Spain and Portugal refused to aid Israel? Thereafter the two stated they would then aid Israel.

 

[imontheloose]

@imontheloose Sexual Freedom Is Not Worth the Death of Family. If a Population Stops Reproducing For The Reasons Were Talking About Now; The Women are At Fault. They Deserve to Be Stripped of Such Freedoms & Power - Like of Hypergamy & Start Forming Relationships With Ones On Their Level. They Need to Embrace the Family, Children, & Motherhood. Old Hags love Spouting this Bullshit Like Their Entire Body Isnt Made to House & Produce Life. What it Means to Be a Women Is to Be a Mother

Agreed. At the least, there should be state-structured incentives for motherhood, restrictions on cultural influences, and reeducation of both men and women into roles that serve the racial state.

Women are easy to subvert. The main issue is with the persistent, international, rootless Jew, born to subvert and deceive.

 

[R@m@]

Wasn't this coincidentally after Spain and Portugal refused to aid Israel? Thereafter the two stated they would then aid Israel.

Yes, I hope it happens again but for a longer period of time

I don't want to care about getting a job and do all these chores and be an "adult" and fulfill all these social expectations, I'm literally rotting inside, and you're supposed to do this until you're 60

Surviving with nothing to lose seems more exciting

 

[imontheloose]

Yes, I hope it happens again but for a longer period of time

I don't want to care about getting a job and do all these chores and be an "adult" and fulfill all these social expectations, I'm literally rotting inside, and you're supposed to do this until you're 60

Surviving with nothing to lose seems more exciting

Depressing system, indeed.

 

[Daddy's Home]

is sexual freedom worth the death of the family?

There is no death of the family

Currently what is happening is just a purging of genetics (this will only lead to a decrease in population, up to a point), which has always happened, but now it is happening at a much higher and accelerated level, as we have more resources distributed to more people than in the past

Before, resources were fewer, and distributed to fewer people, so people, regardless of their genetics, would have 6-8 children (which has caused a population inflation worldwide) to throw them out into the world to work, and come back home with the money they earned

If before, in 1955, movies were made about an ugly guy who is unlucky in love, it was a relatively isolated case, because the average ugly guy still managed to have a girlfriend



Today, movies are made about entire geographic demographies or countries where this is happening

 

[apocalypse]

they collapse because of women

 

[not__cel]

I think so. Struggle is the furnace of greatness. A civilisation that forgets how to suffer forgets how to fight.

Our ancestors endured winters, war, and hunger to build the bloodlines we now inherit, yet the modern man seeks merely comfort through soft food, values, and minds. This is exactly how a people dies without even being conquered: rotting from within.

The hardship suffrage carries on its shoulders is more valuable than you may initially believe.

Spoiler

@Jason Voorhees @DR. NICKGA @Nick.Harte @Gargantuan @wishIwasSalludon

No it’s because of bad leadership, humans have remained the same physically for thousands of years

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

No it’s because of bad leadership, humans have remained the same physically for thousands of years

Mirin, but who's the guy in your avi ?

 

[not__cel]

Mirin, but who's the guy in your avi ?

Peter Philips

Goated

 

[imontheloose]

declogging the response.

Do you believe genetic strength can survive without values to protect it? What replaces the family as the moral foundation of a people? If we no longer see reproduction as a duty, what stops the extinction of the noble class?