Do i need orbital decompression or implants/fat graft

[justha]

21yo, all my life people pointed out i have big eyes, bulging a bit. I can tell i have recessed infraorbitals (i have dark circles, literally can easily feel the bone if i touch under my eyes, so not much fat there)

i know my dimorphism sucks at 21, but soon im going to take test, and i suppose my brow ridge will get better.

I would appreciate some opinions, even on other flaws than my eye area, thanks.

 

[Hexum_for3ver]

21yo, all my life people pointed out i have big eyes, bulging a bit. I can tell i have recessed infraorbitals (i have dark circles, literally can easily feel the bone if i touch under my eyes, so not much fat there)

i know my dimorphism sucks at 21, but soon im going to take test, and i suppose my brow ridge will get better.

I would appreciate some opinions, even on other flaws than my eye area, thanks.

id say yes orbital decrompression would make you look better. but look at what happened to frank tufano DONT do it

 

[justha]

id say yes orbital decrompression would make you look better. but look at what happened to frank tufano DONT do it

im not considering doing that bs surgery anyway, but i asked if there are any good alternatives or just bear with it haha

 

[Hexum_for3ver]

im not considering doing that bs surgery anyway, but i asked if there are any good alternatives or just bear with it haha

yeah ur chillin especially if ur over 6 foot i wouldnt bother tbh

 

[AgentAngularity]

would help, but you dont need it

 

[justha]

would help, but you dont need it

so what should i get to ascend my eye area

 

[AgentAngularity]

so what should i get to ascend my eye area

fat grafting and hope your brow ridge grows. how tall are you

gives a thumbs up on my posts btw

 

[justha]

fat grafting and hope your brow ridge grows. how tall are you

gives a thumbs up on my posts btw

hopping on test soon brother

 

[justha]

hopping on test soon brother im like 5ft 8 (parents 5ft and 5ft 5 sadly) but i like in a country where its a pretty average height for males so im decent in that category

 

[AgentAngularity]

5'8 is bad but if you dont experience any problems with it then its fine. Face matter more anyways

 

[mohito]

Orbital decompression is too risky, u need infra implants to make up for your weak under eye support and also some type of expansion (SARPE/MARPE) to increase your facial width

 

[justha]

Orbital decompression is too risky, u need infra implants to make up for your weak under eye support and also some type of expansion (SARPE/MARPE) to increase your facial width

i already considered marpe, i dont have a wide pallate and it made my lower teeth cave inwards a little

 

[justha]

5'8 is bad but if you dont experience any problems with it then its fine. Face matter more anyways

yeah ik, i grew pretty good considering how short my parents are, genetics didnt help me much

 

[lurking truecel]

Good pecs

 

[justha]

Good pecs

thankss if only i could grow bone like muscles hahahah

 

[Oesteogenesis]

id say yes orbital decrompression would make you look better. but look at what happened to frank tufano DONT do it

Such a low iq take lmao, "yea this dude got botched from a surgery which means its unsafe and you shouldn't do it!". He had 3 walls decompressed and i doubt he had a high hertel measurement lmao, the reason he got botched was because of his lack of research prior to the procedure and tabans greed to make as much profit as possible since frank wanted really deepset eyes.


The more walls decompressed = higher risk
Which walls are also a factor which should be taken into account for the risks (lateral being the safest)


Usually 3 wall decompressions are ONLY done on people with TED or Graves disease as they usually have hertel measurements above 21+. Orbital Decompression is relatively safe if only one wall is done and it must be the lateral/deep lateral wall for it to be the safest. The complication rate of OD is also inflated by individuals with TED and Graves disease since they usually are much more complex cases than normal people with a high natural hertel measurement (aka prominent eyes)

21yo, all my life people pointed out i have big eyes, bulging a bit. I can tell i have recessed infraorbitals (i have dark circles, literally can easily feel the bone if i touch under my eyes, so not much fat there)

i know my dimorphism sucks at 21, but soon im going to take test, and i suppose my brow ridge will get better.

I would appreciate some opinions, even on other flaws than my eye area, thanks.

OP id recommend getting a hertel measurement, its likely you just have prominent eyes but i dont think you really need it at all. Even if you do still want it, id recommend you only do 1 wall (lateral wall) and aim for 3-4 mms maximum depending on your hertel measurement, which id assume is around 18mm just from looking at your eyes. I still dont believe you need it at all ngl.

 

[justha]

Such a low iq take lmao, "yea this dude got botched from a surgery which means its unsafe and you shouldn't do it!". He had 3 walls decompressed and i doubt he had a high hertel measurement lmao, the reason he got botched was because of his lack of research prior to the procedure and tabans greed to make as much profit as possible since frank wanted really deepset eyes.


The more walls decompressed = higher risk
Which walls are also a factor which should be taken into account for the risks (lateral being the safest)


Usually 3 wall decompressions are ONLY done on people with TED or Graves disease as they usually have hertel measurements above 21+. Orbital Decompression is relatively safe if only one wall is done and it must be the lateral/deep lateral wall for it to be the safest. The complication rate of OD is also inflated by individuals with TED and Graves disease since they usually are much more complex cases than normal people with a high natural hertel measurement (aka prominent eyes)



OP id recommend getting a hertel measurement, its likely you just have prominent eyes but i dont think you really need it at all. Even if you do still want it, id recommend you only do 1 wall (lateral wall) and aim for 3-4 mms maximum depending on your hertel measurement, which id assume is around 18mm just from looking at your eyes. I still dont believe you need it at all ngl.

thanks for the response, i really dont want to do OD but what do u suggest is my best option?

 

[Oesteogenesis]

thanks for the response, i really dont want to do OD but what do u suggest is my best option?

living with it

 

[ascension to heaven]

Such a low iq take lmao, "yea this dude got botched from a surgery which means its unsafe and you shouldn't do it!". He had 3 walls decompressed and i doubt he had a high hertel measurement lmao, the reason he got botched was because of his lack of research prior to the procedure and tabans greed to make as much profit as possible since frank wanted really deepset eyes.


The more walls decompressed = higher risk
Which walls are also a factor which should be taken into account for the risks (lateral being the safest)


Usually 3 wall decompressions are ONLY done on people with TED or Graves disease as they usually have hertel measurements above 21+. Orbital Decompression is relatively safe if only one wall is done and it must be the lateral/deep lateral wall for it to be the safest. The complication rate of OD is also inflated by individuals with TED and Graves disease since they usually are much more complex cases than normal people with a high natural hertel measurement (aka prominent eyes)



OP id recommend getting a hertel measurement, its likely you just have prominent eyes but i dont think you really need it at all. Even if you do still want it, id recommend you only do 1 wall (lateral wall) and aim for 3-4 mms maximum depending on your hertel measurement, which id assume is around 18mm just from looking at your eyes. I still dont believe you need it at all ngl.

all this effort to get a retarded 0iq response by the OP

nice

 

[ascension to heaven]

thanks for the response, i really dont want to do OD but what do u suggest is my best option?

if you arent willing to get OD then why are you yapping about it ?

 

[Oesteogenesis]

all this effort to get a retarded 0iq response by the OP

nice

ikr right lmao, its just mental masturbation for them

 

[Nahorscend]

ikr right lmao, its just mental masturbation for them

Don't worry about it, OD being a very dangerous or bad surgery is like the single most popular myth on here, because of Frank's case.

It will not change as the people who do know about it or have undergone/will undergo the surgery mostly keep it between themselves.

 

[justha]

all this effort to get a retarded 0iq response by the OP

nice

stfu at this point im experimenting with opinions, if anything else is not worth it and not going to help me(implants, fat grafting or any other ways to improve my orbital bones) im probably going to consider it, if i dont want to get it OD right now doesnt mean that wont change in the future, think a bit before insulting (u re probably a foid tbh)

 

[justha]

ikr right lmao, its just mental masturbation for them

pardon me for wanting to have some opinions and alternatives first before accepting to do a very risky surgery

 

[Nahorscend]

stfu at this point im experimenting with opinions, if anything else is not worth it and not going to help me(implants, fat grafting or any other ways to improve my orbital bones) im probably going to consider it, if i dont want to get it OD right now doesnt mean that wont change in the future, think a bit before insulting (u re probably a foid tbh)

Send proper pic, unfrauded side profile, hard to judge eye area otherwise

 

[justha]

Send proper pic, unfrauded side profile, hard to judge eye area otherwise

this is what i have in camera roll atm, hope they good

 

[Nahorscend]

this is what i have in camera roll atm, hope they good

Nah you don't really have to get OD, get infra implants

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

pardon me for wanting to have some opinions and alternatives first before accepting to do a very risky surgery

The top surgeons who perform it have close to 0% complication rates when done for cosmetic purposes

 

[justha]

The top surgeons who perform it have close to 0% complication rates when done for cosmetic purposes

its nice to hear that, but i cant get my mind over it if i really need it or not, i researched some people getting OD and their case was more severe, their eyes bulged outwards more than the browridge, obviously my case isn t that severe.

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

its nice to hear that, but i cant get my mind over it if i really need it or not, i researched some people getting OD and their case was more severe, their eyes bulged outwards more than the browridge, obviously my case isn t that severe.

Consult with a few oculoplastic surgeons and see what they say. Imo infras will be enough for you

 

[kaydd]

its nice to hear that, but i cant get my mind over it if i really need it or not,

my nigga @Oesteogenesis literally told you to get a hertel measurement, stop acting like your taking it seriously

 

[justha]

my nigga @Oesteogenesis literally told you to get a hertel measurement, stop acting like your taking it seriously

right now i have an appointment to check my thyroid hormones(TSH,T3,T4 and TSI) and to make sure they all right before i see my ophthalmologist

 

[shedontluv-U]

id say yes orbital decrompression would make you look better. but look at what happened to frank tufano DONT do it

You Fucking utter retard

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Such a low iq take lmao, "yea this dude got botched from a surgery which means its unsafe and you shouldn't do it!". He had 3 walls decompressed and i doubt he had a high hertel measurement lmao, the reason he got botched was because of his lack of research prior to the procedure and tabans greed to make as much profit as possible since frank wanted really deepset eyes.


The more walls decompressed = higher risk
Which walls are also a factor which should be taken into account for the risks (lateral being the safest)


Usually 3 wall decompressions are ONLY done on people with TED or Graves disease as they usually have hertel measurements above 21+. Orbital Decompression is relatively safe if only one wall is done and it must be the lateral/deep lateral wall for it to be the safest. The complication rate of OD is also inflated by individuals with TED and Graves disease since they usually are much more complex cases than normal people with a high natural hertel measurement (aka prominent eyes)



OP id recommend getting a hertel measurement, its likely you just have prominent eyes but i dont think you really need it at all. Even if you do still want it, id recommend you only do 1 wall (lateral wall) and aim for 3-4 mms maximum depending on your hertel measurement, which id assume is around 18mm just from looking at your eyes. I still dont believe you need it at all ngl.

High IQ, mirin

 

[Nahorscend]

Furthermore OD is done in part by removing fat, but you have low body fat.... making you not a good candidate for the procedure.

No, mostly it is done via removing bone only, not as many surgeons do a combination of bone and fat (and a fat only approach is only done in Japan among the notable surgeons).

But the logic is not true either, body fat% has no relation to orbital fat, that does not reduce if you're lean.

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

This is an obviously untrue and absolutely baseless claim. You would need to understand near nothing about plastic surgery while being a total cock sucking moron to make such an asinine claim.

At least Ramesh’s personal rate for persistent double vision is 0% for his non-TED patients. For all patients, including those with TED, it’s between 0.5-1%. Not sure about the other surgeons

Of course, this rate won’t apply to everyone and the risk will depend on the patients individual characteristics

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

"In overweight and obesity groups, infraorbital fat volume increased and density decreased compared to the underweight and normal weight groups."

Infraorbital fat tissue volume and density changes in different age groups: Evaluation with computed tomography

We investigated senile volume and density changes in infraorbital fat to evaluate by computed tomography (CT).CT examinations of a total of 120 patien…

www.sciencedirect.com

That’s infraorbital fat you fucking retard. Surgeons decompress retrobulbar fat and bone in orbital decompression.

Orbital fat (inside the eye orbit) does change maybe very slightly with body fat, but it remains relatively stable.

 

[Adee]

21yo, all my life people pointed out i have big eyes, bulging a bit. I can tell i have recessed infraorbitals (i have dark circles, literally can easily feel the bone if i touch under my eyes, so not much fat there)

i know my dimorphism sucks at 21, but soon im going to take test, and i suppose my brow ridge will get better.

I would appreciate some opinions, even on other flaws than my eye area, thanks.

Just fat grafting
also, send your proper frankfurt side profile because I can't tell if your orbital vector is negative
edit: looks negative, implants needed

 

[yussimania]

That’s infraorbital fat you fucking retard. Surgeons decompress retrobulbar fat and bone in orbital decompression.

Orbital fat (inside the eye orbit) does change maybe very slightly with body fat, but it remains relatively stable.

Chose the worst person to argue with this about

 

[Nahorscend]

"In overweight and obesity groups, infraorbital fat volume increased and density decreased compared to the underweight and normal weight groups."

Infraorbital fat tissue volume and density changes in different age groups: Evaluation with computed tomography

We investigated senile volume and density changes in infraorbital fat to evaluate by computed tomography (CT).CT examinations of a total of 120 patien…

www.sciencedirect.com

Yo bro orbital decompression is an orbital surgery not oculoplastic

The fat they remove is behind the eyeball, it's the fat that houses the nerves that give you vision. It's not referring to the fat under the skin around your eyes lol

The volume of orbital fat is like 10-15 ml per eye, in decompression they remove maybe 2 ml in combined approaches, maybe 3-4 ml in fat only approaches

Body fat% simply isn't a meaningful consideration here

 

[Nahorscend]

This is an obviously untrue and absolutely baseless claim. You would need to understand near nothing about plastic surgery while being a total cock sucking moron to make such an asinine claim.

Why is it absolutely untrue and baseless? The basis is the personal data series of the top orbital surgeons

OD as a surgery is much like airplanes as a mode of transport. The actual incidence of complications in airplanes is lower than in less scary modes like cars, but when something does go wrong in an airplane the consequences are far more disastrous. And consequently all the effort in airplane design is invested in prevention.

OD is very similar, infra implants are probably riskier in terms of % chance of its complications occurring, but if you do get unlucky with OD then it's much worse than anything else. Talk to any good surgeon, they will tell you their entire focus and the rationale for everything in their technique is the minimisation of the diplopia risk.