Do i need to undergo MSE?

[Songe]

I lost a huge part of my bone mass since 2020 where i peaked only because i was in the final stage of my development since then i mouthbreathed a lot my zygos got narrower lower same for my jaw so i thought about getting mse and facemask so my maxilla & zygos revert back while harmonizing my eye area by widening pfl, ipd and improving undereye and then getting a specially designed invisalign so i dont lose hollow cheeks before finally getting a good bimax so i finally get out the nightmare im living once and for all
I just want a good plan so im improving

 

[ItsOver999]

Autism.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

so my maxilla & zygos revert back while harmonizing my eye area by widening pfl, ipd and improving undereye

this does not happen


spend your money on a rhinoplasty and better clothes

 

[andy9432]

Do u need MSDO aswell? My dentist said i need MSDO

 

[Deleted member 17429]

I lost a huge part of my bone mass since 2020 where i peaked only because i was in the final stage of my development since then i mouthbreathed a lot my zygos got narrower lower same for my jaw so i thought about getting mse and facemask so my maxilla & zygos revert back while harmonizing my eye area by widening pfl, ipd and improving undereye and then getting a specially designed invisalign so i dont lose hollow cheeks before finally getting a good bimax so i finally get out the nightmare im living once and for all
I just want a good plan so im improving

just have insane bones and ask if you need mse theory
you'll become ogre with mse don't do it

 

[jabaduk]

I lost a huge part of my bone mass since 2020 where i peaked only because i was in the final stage of my development since then i mouthbreathed a lot my zygos got narrower lower same for my jaw so i thought about getting mse and facemask so my maxilla & zygos revert back while harmonizing my eye area by widening pfl, ipd and improving undereye and then getting a specially designed invisalign so i dont lose hollow cheeks before finally getting a good bimax so i finally get out the nightmare im living once and for all
I just want a good plan so im improving

I Don’t think u need more bone mass tbh, focus on soft features like nose, skin, mouth etc

 

[Dystopian]

warrior skull
sad u are autist and deathnic

 

[epictroll]

Your maxilla is huge, if anything you need the opposite of MSE to look like a modern-day Homo sapiens sapien.

 

[Mongrelcel]

bones are definitely not yoir main problem my friend

 

[Songe]

yes I am also thinking of going through an MSDO because of my very narrow lower palate, my lower incisors are quite overlapped, I have a beginning of overbite etc. treating the mandible once the MSE is done will be essential to keep a coherent bones alignement. My life is literally an ordeal, I breathe through the night every time I sleep because of my small jaws and the consequences act not only on my health, and it's acceptable in a pinch, but also on my face since it's dislocating day after day, my zygos have literally melted since the end of my bone development 2 years ago, it's terrible since I should never have looked like that in a normal reality framed in a healthy environment with the practice of a good oral posture, it disgusts me, all this pain will push me to solve all these underlying structural problems because honestly I don't care about my accommodation to beauty standards, it's useless shit, my goal is to solve the destruction phase my genetic code has been facing for too long, I don't give a fuck about being ugly, average or good looking, I want to be myself, not the result of a world filled with drooling subhumans
Im also "only" 6'1 because of sedentary lifestyle which unbalanced my hormones a lot, im really sure i shouldve been 6'2 to 6'3 but i wont talk about it too much bc i cant change anything
Sorry for being this dramatic by the way... right now im considering mse+fm, invisalign, imdo+lefort 1 and maybe genio+rhino (for aesthetics purpose) im aware it will cost me a lot but whatever... Im obviously open to any advice

 

[Deleted member 18840]

yes I am also thinking of going through an MSDO because of my very narrow lower palate, my lower incisors are quite overlapped, I have a beginning of overbite etc. treating the mandible once the MSE is done will be essential to keep a coherent bones alignement. My life is literally an ordeal, I breathe through the night every time I sleep because of my small jaws and the consequences act not only on my health, and it's acceptable in a pinch, but also on my face since it's dislocating day after day, my zygos have literally melted since the end of my bone development 2 years ago, it's terrible since I should never have looked like that in a normal reality framed in a healthy environment with the practice of a good oral posture, it disgusts me, all this pain will push me to solve all these underlying structural problems because honestly I don't care about my accommodation to beauty standards, it's useless shit, my goal is to solve the destruction phase my genetic code has been facing for too long, I don't give a fuck about being ugly, average or good looking, I want to be myself, not the result of a world filled with drooling subhumans
Im also "only" 6'1 because of sedentary lifestyle which unbalanced my hormones a lot, im really sure i shouldve been 6'2 to 6'3 but i wont talk about it too much bc i cant change anything
Sorry for being this dramatic by the way... right now im considering mse+fm, invisalign, imdo+lefort 1 and maybe genio+rhino (for aesthetics purpose) im aware it will cost me a lot but whatever... Im obviously open to any advice

Where do u live

 

[Deleted member 18849]

so i thought about getting mse and facemask so my maxilla & zygos revert back while harmonizing my eye area by widening pfl, ipd and improving undereye

this does not happen


spend your money on a rhinoplasty and better clothes

Your brain working doesn't happen. MSE will widen your cheekbones.

 

[Songe]

Where do u live

France

 

[Deleted member 18361]

Your brain working doesn't happen. MSE will widen your cheekbones.

ive had mse and fm. definitely the most hardcore fm user to exist. it grows the lower maxilla. mse does not widen pfl, ipd, or changes the eyes in any sense

 

[Deleted member 18849]

ive had mse and fm. definitely the most hardcore fm user to exist. it grows the lower maxilla. mse does not widen pfl, ipd, or changes the eyes in any sense

MSE widens the cheekbones, but lightly. It widens them nontheless.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

MSE widens the cheekbones, but lightly. It widens them nontheless.

pretty obvious it does. it widens the entire midface but that doesn’t mean thats ideal

you want a narrow lower maxilla and wide upper maxilla for concavity of the cheeks

 

[Deleted member 18849]

pretty obvious it does. it widens the entire midface but that doesn’t mean thats ideal

you want a narrow lower maxilla and wide upper maxilla for concavity of the cheeks

The point is @Songe was correct about the cheekbones. For hollow cheeks you not only need that, but forward growth, and overall face bone and muscle volume with small buccinators and cheek BF.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

The point is @Songe was correct about the cheekbones. For hollow cheeks you not only need that, but forward growth, and overall face bone and muscle volume with small buccinators and cheek BF.

cheek body fat theory

 

[Deleted member 13588]

Im also "only" 6'1 because of sedentary lifestyle which unbalanced my hormones a lot, im really sure i shouldve been 6'2 to 6'3 but i wont talk about it too much bc i cant change anything

Only 6'1... You poor Bastard. I will pray for you

 

[AscendingHero]

you want a narrow lower maxilla and wide upper maxilla for concavity of the cheeks

why a narrow lower maxila? just have a narrow palate theory?

how would u go about widening the upper maxila at the expense of the lower anyways?

 

[Deleted member 18361]

why a narrow lower maxila? just have a narrow palate theory?

how would u go about widening the upper maxila at the expense of the lower anyways?

you want a narrow lower maxilla because it allows more indentation of the cheeks

downside is the smile is narrow, so you choose wide smile or model tier cheek contour

procedures that include only cheekbone advancement the only legit one i feel are implants

 

[Deleted member 11126]

I lost a huge part of my bone mass since 2020 where i peaked only because i was in the final stage of my development since then i mouthbreathed a lot my zygos got narrower lower same for my jaw so i thought about getting mse and facemask so my maxilla & zygos revert back while harmonizing my eye area by widening pfl, ipd and improving undereye and then getting a specially designed invisalign so i dont lose hollow cheeks before finally getting a good bimax so i finally get out the nightmare im living once and for all
I just want a good plan so im improving

Your face is quite wide already send a pic of yourself smiling and I can tell you if you need it or not for sure but from the looks of it you don't

 

[AscendingHero]

ive had mse and fm. definitely the most hardcore fm user to exist. it grows the lower maxilla. mse does not widen pfl, ipd, or changes the eyes in any sense

Aeons (deleted user now) was a ricecel who wore FM for 22-23 hrs a day, iirc he got 6-8 mm of saggital growth from it use the ALT-RAMEC technique during MSE

 

[Deleted member 8758]

"Do need MSE?"
*Proceeds not to show IMW

 

[nobodyspecial369]

Aeons (deleted user now) was a ricecel who wore FM for 22-23 hrs a day, iirc he got 6-8 mm of saggital growth from it use the ALT-RAMEC technique during MSE

what is ALT/RAMEC technique? Also is 6-8 mm good? Saggital means forward growth??

tagging @mvp2v1 since he’s curious too

 

[bignosesmallchin]

Neanderthal

 

[mvp2v1]

what is ALT/RAMEC technique? Also is 6-8 mm good? Saggital means forward growth??

tagging @mvp2v1 since he’s curious too

Yes that means forward! I’d like to know the technique. Also did he post about it anywhere? Plz link if so. Also did he then go for IMDO? And lastly any mention from him if he got any CCW?

 

[nobodyspecial369]

Yes that means forward! I’d like to know the technique. Also did he post about it anywhere? Plz link if so. Also did he then go for IMDO? And lastly any mention from him if he got any CCW?

@AscendingHero any help bro

 

[nobodyspecial369]

Aeons (deleted user now) was a ricecel who wore FM for 22-23 hrs a day, iirc he got 6-8 mm of saggital growth from it use the ALT-RAMEC technique during MSE

since the user is gone i only have you as a reference. can you plz tell me how long (months) aeons was wearing this

 

[mvp2v1]

Aeons (deleted user now) was a ricecel who wore FM for 22-23 hrs a day, iirc he got 6-8 mm of saggital growth from it use the ALT-RAMEC technique during MSE

Also now old was he and was he supplementing GH or something else?

 

[nobodyspecial369]

Also now old was he and was he supplementing GH or something else?

he was only 15 apparently but that’s hard to believe given the way he was speaking. seems more like 18… anyway if he really is 15, idk how he convinced his parents to give him the money for this

 

[Deleted member 16683]

Aeons (deleted user now) was a ricecel who wore FM for 22-23 hrs a day, iirc he got 6-8 mm of saggital growth from it use the ALT-RAMEC technique during MSE

what's fm?

 

[Mr.Proper]

Face Mask. Considering his age, that level of expansion is believable.
@Songe Do you have a narrow palate/smile? Your zygos actually don't seem bad.