Do not go to college, even for the right majors

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As a graduate, unfortunately its one of the worst ideas ever. The system is rigged in the sense that only the top tier students in terms of grades get the average opportunities from average universities, and from the best universities, its still the top tier students that get the majority of offers while the rest end up with nothing. I went to a uni that was ranked consistently top 10 for my major ( finance ) and while I got interviews, as I got shitty grades ( I was a c student in most of uni , I struggled to get internships.

My mistake was getting depressed due to lack of bitches and then being surrounded by them so much more then in high school, And each day after 18 ur a virgin it gets worse. While I still ended up getting a foid after doing a lot of approaches, I dint realize how much men dont matter these days. I got ghosted completely by this cute white bitch and it hurt me a lot.

I was stupid and fell for the face is everything meme, , but decided to "risk it " by doing some sarms cycle and then getting big, and was surprised by the success I had in many more ioi and a cute white gym bitch who liked me, and made it very easy for me to approach ( she basically did some dumbbell squats in front of me , even with my depression I knew it was a green light ).

I also regret not doing a semester abroad. I have a friend who went to Poland and now is working their. He was a C+ student avg, but the people abroad really respect the American universities and he did networking and got a job their. My dumbass didn't do that, and now in america they dont really respect college. Eastern Europe still has some respect for college, while Western Europe and scandanvian countries are like america, where to many people are doing college for it to mean anything.

Everything you want is accessible on google. The biggest difference between those who succeed without uni and with uni is that the guy who skips uni has to work some job in the field that's not good wages for for like 1-2 years, and then moving up the ladder. The person who went to a good uni however starts out after 4 years at the top starting salary. For those not going the uni route, you have to study the skills, and that would take about a year with an average iq and studying 4-6 hours a day. Those with above average iq can learn much faster. This is for coding.

You can learn others skills like financial modeling, accounting as well, or both during a similar 1-1.5 year time frame. Then on average it might take 4-6 months to get a job applying to at least 10-15 jobs a day. You might face discrimination for lacking a degree, but that shit can be bought online for about 1.5-2k. Be careful of scams, but you have to consider that the cost of buying a fake degree is better then actually going to one and paying with rent, tuition, and most importantly your time.

You think you have to go to uni to socialize. You can just spam approach on campus like these YouTube pick up artist guys do. You can join some club in a uni. Not like they check your id just to join. Even fraternities won't care as long as pay the dues ( though it would look more odd for some 30 year old to join ). Most want the money and enjoy members.

I've now been unemployed since getting fired for 4 months. 450 jobs/25 interviews/0 offers. I thought I was dog shit at interviewing but despite good preparation they bitch about my lack of experience, but to get experience they require experience. How fucked up is that. And I remember when I tried to get an internship, they have this stupid 3.0 gpa requirement that got me out of a lot of jobs, and thus sales and management were the only ones that didn't really care but I ignored them. Looking back anything is really good even if its not directly in your field. But when I did get a finance internship, it was the time when covid hit, and my internship was cancelled.

I am currently trying to dark triad max with bullshit experience I made up. Got 2 interviews but again no luck. The company is hardly well known which might be why, but at least I am getting again some interviews. I believe now its more so my personality. I have been deeply frustrated and angered by the scam of university. I never expected to get a high paying job immediately after, but the fact that even a 50k job is this hard to get pisses me off. I tried to re-apply to my same position but because I got fired for some bullshit compliance violation they ask why I got fired and then ghost me. Stupid cucks don't care about the fact that shit happens. One mistake and your out.

Consider sales if you want an alternative path to computer programming/accounting/finance. These 2 professions are the only ones with good pay, with accounting starting lower but increasing a lot later. Sales is the most versatile, and while like most white collar jobs its over saturated, unlike other positions their is enough demand for sales that it balances out.

My advice is you get your bitches first. If your extremely high inhibition unfortunately you won't get laid. Consider either fucking some ugly bitch just to get rid of your v card so you don't act so high inhibition and anxiety ridden around women, or just use an escort. It doesn't really matter. But I highly agree that ideally you lose ur v card at 15-16. 18 should be the latest. If your more then 18 then you need to get rid of it quickly. I lost mines at 19.

Then consider sales/programming/accounting/finance, and study that shit for a year/year and a half. Remember that if your very high iq you might be able to get profieict within 4-6 months vs 1 year. 1 year is average IQ, and if your dumber then 1.5- 2years. Either way you save half the time relative to university as you don't waste time on general courses or bullshit theory courses. You go straight to the proper content. Sales can also lead to management type roles, which again dont need a degree.

Apply the same logic for stem fields like engineering. The best way to understand what is really needed is try to network and understand the assignments they get, and prepare that way, vs trying to get a general understanding. Everything you want to learn is available online.


Once you find what you want to do, You should then work some part time job really in anything, but preferably in the field. So if you wanna do sales, then some sales rep at a store. If you want to do programming then some data entry position in some company. Finance, work as a bank teller, then take the relevant security industry exams. Banks will sponsor you for later ones, but 2 of them , the sie ( securities industries essential ) and series 63 dont require sponsorship, so if you pass them by yourself its highly likely they sponsor you for the series 7 as you showed initiative.

Sales is nice as you don't really require anything. It will also improve your interaction with foids as you know how to talk better. So you might start out as a sales rep, but after a year of working you should then re-apply for a higher position. Consider business development representative or account executive. If you still have trouble, then re apply for some more higher sales rep position with direct sales, like solar sales or auto sales, or freight sales. Then you can jump into the business development representative, account executive positions.

Now with the remote job market, one could also get some job that may not pay much in america, like 16-18$ an hour, but then move after bullshitting an american address. So you go live in some cheap country in EE, or in South America.

For the full dark triad maxxers

Lie about everything. Don't do shit for a few months. Make up experience in sales. Get your friends as a reference. Now start your first job out of high school as a direct salesman. Solar sales and other sales some don't even require experience and are aggressively hiring , so you can take advantage of that.


TLdR- Don't go to university, everything you want is available online. Dark triad max and get a fake degree if you want it so bad, make up fake experience. Most of the background checks involve criminal record checks , and in some cases a phone call to your references which can be your friends. They don't always check with the companies, and even if they do and find out, you won't get that job. Your goal should be to find some stupid company with incompetent management anyways. Don't feel bad as america has repeatedly bailed out failed companies in the 2008 crash 2020 crash. Not to mention banksters didn't give a shit and sold bad mortgage backed securities knowingly as they knew they would get a bailout, so if their committing mass financial fraud, why shouldn't you by lying.
 
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Schizo ramblings
 
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brb learning to do heart surgery online
 
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dn rd
 
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have to give you a +1 just for the effort
 
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Not a word. Just work at your local McDonald’s bro.
 
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brb learning to do heart surgery online
College is only a true need for those pursuing medical degrees. Otherwise even for stem its useless. They do far too much theory and far too much math without the use of calculators when on the job the calculators do everything and theory is useless.
 
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Not like almost 90% of all millionaire's went to college
 
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College is only a true need for those pursuing medical degrees. Otherwise even for stem its useless. They do far too much theory and far too much math without the use of calculators when on the job the calculators do everything and theory is useless.
does that really mean you shouldn't go though? probably not
 
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How else will u meet good connections? The best advice u can get is be or know the trend before it blows up that is literally college in a nutshell
 
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With your degree you got offers to go straight to sales/management jobs, but you felt it was beneath you. Me as a college dropout, I'm stuck doing blue collar work until I get good certifications on my resume.
 
Not like almost 90% of all millionaire's went to college
I luv when they show millionaires who dropped out college ignoring the person dropped out of Harvard
not the local community college :lul:
 
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I luv when they show millionaires who dropped out college ignoring the person dropped out of Harvard
not their local community college :lul:
Yeah like that dude who made jailbreak on roblox. Nigga really made tens of millions from a roblox game and dropped out from Harvard.
 
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jfl if anyone listens to this dude
 
water.
 
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@6ft4 read this and then look at peoples replies

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Not like almost 90% of all millionaire's went to college
Its a false correlation. Those who did reasonably well in high school, at least a B- average , and thus demonstrating more motivation in general are the ones who go to college , while those who didn't give a shit and focused on social development and sports dont' pursue college, and that general lower ambition shows when they wage cuck in the same job for years on end.

If you demonstrate ambition at some point, you don't need uni. It just happens that those who are not that ambitious in general tend to forego uni, and more ambitious people think of college as a natural steeping stone.
 
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Only STEM fields actually need uni, other fields not really.
You don't need to go for years of uni just to get some mumbo jumbo business degree. Even law is debatable.
 
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College is only a true need for those pursuing medical degrees. Otherwise even for stem its useless. They do far too much theory and far too much math without the use of calculators when on the job the calculators do everything and theory is useless.
Just be an aerospace engineer without a degree bro, calculators will do the work for you anyways
 
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college is only good if you end up top tier in top tier uni with top tier grades.
 
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here we don’t have grades in UNI only u pass or u dont lol
 
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The only uni degree worth anything by itself is computer science. There are other ones that you need as a stepping stone like a undergrad bio degree to get into med or dentistry, or a finance/economics/whatever to get an MBA, and some actuary/accounting ones are good too. Every other degree is literally worthless.
 
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college is only good if you end up top tier in top tier uni with top tier grades.
Yea its a huge gamble, even if you get in a top tier university like I did cause those who got the best grades got all those great jobs, while the rest like me who had difficulties in school due to depression and other bullshit got fucked. We get interviews, but it doesn't matter cause we don't convert to offers. Avg college , average grades, get not many interviews.
 
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Yea its a huge gamble, even if you get in a top tier university like I did cause those who got the best grades got all those great jobs, while the rest like me who had difficulties in school due to depression and other bullshit got fucked. We get interviews, but it doesn't matter cause we don't convert to offers. Avg college , average grades, get not many interviews.
With your degree you got offers to go straight to sales/management jobs, but you felt it was beneath you. Me as a college dropout, I'm stuck doing blue collar work until I get good certifications on my resume.
Answer this.
 
Yea its a huge gamble, even if you get in a top tier university like I did cause those who got the best grades got all those great jobs, while the rest like me who had difficulties in school due to depression and other bullshit got fucked. We get interviews, but it doesn't matter cause we don't convert to offers. Avg college , average grades, get not many interviews.
and our families don't understand that we don't do good. It sucks a lot. Blackpill sucked my soul off and i couldn't focus despite being smart enough. And then, well when you're mid 20 and graduated what are you gonna do? you're done for. Re-roll in UNI?
 
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college is only good if you end up top tier in top tier uni with top tier grades.
grades dont matter, only your major and how prestigious the uni is
 
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Answer this.
Their was blunders on my part, I was silly as I thought that it was pointless to do sales/management related roles if I studied finance and accounting and you dont' need degrees for them. That's my point. Looking back it was the right back, but hindsight is 20/20. Not to mention my finance internship got cancelled due to rona.

My first job after uni I got fired for compliance violation on accident during training. So a series of unlucky events led to me getting fucked.
 
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The only uni degree worth anything by itself is computer science. There are other ones that you need as a stepping stone like a undergrad bio degree to get into med or dentistry, or a finance/economics/whatever to get an MBA, and some actuary/accounting ones are good too. Every other degree is literally worthless.
You can learn CS on your own.
 
You can learn CS on your own.
You can, but CS jobs are the most "show me what school you went to" type of jobs there are. Anyone who went to Waterloo or Stanford gets a $200k USD job at 22, everyone else has to grind.
 
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You can, but CS jobs are the most "show me what school you went to" type of jobs there are. Anyone who went to Waterloo or Stanford gets a $200k USD job at 22, everyone else has to grind.
Yea I mentioned that those who don't go to uni have to wage cuck for 1-2 years, first year like 40k , then second year probably 60-70k, and then later after they show their competent can go for some big company, make 150-200k starting. On the other hand, if you go to a top uni and get top grades, like my friends who did CS and got 3.5/4+ gpa's. They make 200k Starting salaries like you mentioned. However they were natural born geniuses, able to get coding with ease in highs cool, so college was a joke. They knew everything before going. They said it was a scam, but because they had so much free time and understood everything before hand that it was a fun experience.

It made sense for them, but its a big gamble in the sense that if you fuck up your grades and don't go to a top University, you might find yourself in a huge uphill battle competing against hundreds of applicants. Therefore its a risky gamble unless you know your a genius before hand.


One of my CS buddies who don't look that good, a rice cel who even by asian standards ( he lacks in height and frame )is just comfortably escort celling lol. Even for subhumans their is value in money.
 
College most definitely worth it if you are getting your shit paid for, like me. If you gotta take on alotta debt, then start saving up and go to a cc for 2 years before transfering.
 
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College most definitely worth it if you are getting your shit paid for, like me. If you gotta take on alotta debt, then start saving up and go to a cc for 2 years before transfering.
I say this as someone who has zero debt. Its the time I miss, but if you want to be objective I did fuck up by , not doing internships earlier and then getting cancelled due to Rona, not doing a semester abroad ( easy way to EE max and they think american universities are super top tier, making it easy to get jobs their like one of my buddies did ), and suffering from major depression due to initial lack of sexual success till I looksmaxxed ( I did not get a good physique till junior year and by then I had years of lower grades). Also had to deal with fucking some stupid bitch accusing me of harassment cause I was silly as f an approaching random bitches in the gym while not looksmaxxed. Have to be careful in uni.
 
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Just be an aerospace engineer without a degree bro, calculators will do the work for you anyways
Lot of programmers got into good cs jobs without a degree, the core concepts can be learnt without a degree. Getting a job is naturally gonna be more effort due to the no degree falio , but it can be overcome with a project portfolio, networking, and doing a internship and not getting paid at all to gain relevant field experience.

You'll be surprised at how much garbage they teach in degrees. Half the content is just general course work for all majors, and then a bunch of bullshit general theory that has no application in the real life coursework.
 
As a graduate, unfortunately its one of the worst ideas ever. The system is rigged in the sense that only the top tier students in terms of grades get the average opportunities from average universities, and from the best universities, its still the top tier students that get the majority of offers while the rest end up with nothing. I went to a uni that was ranked consistently top 10 for my major ( finance ) and while I got interviews, as I got shitty grades ( I was a c student in most of uni , I struggled to get internships.

My mistake was getting depressed due to lack of bitches and then being surrounded by them so much more then in high school, And each day after 18 ur a virgin it gets worse. While I still ended up getting a foid after doing a lot of approaches, I dint realize how much men dont matter these days. I got ghosted completely by this cute white bitch and it hurt me a lot.

I was stupid and fell for the face is everything meme, , but decided to "risk it " by doing some sarms cycle and then getting big, and was surprised by the success I had in many more ioi and a cute white gym bitch who liked me, and made it very easy for me to approach ( she basically did some dumbbell squats in front of me , even with my depression I knew it was a green light ).

I also regret not doing a semester abroad. I have a friend who went to Poland and now is working their. He was a C+ student avg, but the people abroad really respect the American universities and he did networking and got a job their. My dumbass didn't do that, and now in america they dont really respect college. Eastern Europe still has some respect for college, while Western Europe and scandanvian countries are like america, where to many people are doing college for it to mean anything.

Everything you want is accessible on google. The biggest difference between those who succeed without uni and with uni is that the guy who skips uni has to work some job in the field that's not good wages for for like 1-2 years, and then moving up the ladder. The person who went to a good uni however starts out after 4 years at the top starting salary. For those not going the uni route, you have to study the skills, and that would take about a year with an average iq and studying 4-6 hours a day. Those with above average iq can learn much faster. This is for coding.

You can learn others skills like financial modeling, accounting as well, or both during a similar 1-1.5 year time frame. Then on average it might take 4-6 months to get a job applying to at least 10-15 jobs a day. You might face discrimination for lacking a degree, but that shit can be bought online for about 1.5-2k. Be careful of scams, but you have to consider that the cost of buying a fake degree is better then actually going to one and paying with rent, tuition, and most importantly your time.

You think you have to go to uni to socialize. You can just spam approach on campus like these YouTube pick up artist guys do. You can join some club in a uni. Not like they check your id just to join. Even fraternities won't care as long as pay the dues ( though it would look more odd for some 30 year old to join ). Most want the money and enjoy members.

I've now been unemployed since getting fired for 4 months. 450 jobs/25 interviews/0 offers. I thought I was dog shit at interviewing but despite good preparation they bitch about my lack of experience, but to get experience they require experience. How fucked up is that. And I remember when I tried to get an internship, they have this stupid 3.0 gpa requirement that got me out of a lot of jobs, and thus sales and management were the only ones that didn't really care but I ignored them. Looking back anything is really good even if its not directly in your field. But when I did get a finance internship, it was the time when covid hit, and my internship was cancelled.

I am currently trying to dark triad max with bullshit experience I made up. Got 2 interviews but again no luck. The company is hardly well known which might be why, but at least I am getting again some interviews. I believe now its more so my personality. I have been deeply frustrated and angered by the scam of university. I never expected to get a high paying job immediately after, but the fact that even a 50k job is this hard to get pisses me off. I tried to re-apply to my same position but because I got fired for some bullshit compliance violation they ask why I got fired and then ghost me. Stupid cucks don't care about the fact that shit happens. One mistake and your out.

Consider sales if you want an alternative path to computer programming/accounting/finance. These 2 professions are the only ones with good pay, with accounting starting lower but increasing a lot later. Sales is the most versatile, and while like most white collar jobs its over saturated, unlike other positions their is enough demand for sales that it balances out.

My advice is you get your bitches first. If your extremely high inhibition unfortunately you won't get laid. Consider either fucking some ugly bitch just to get rid of your v card so you don't act so high inhibition and anxiety ridden around women, or just use an escort. It doesn't really matter. But I highly agree that ideally you lose ur v card at 15-16. 18 should be the latest. If your more then 18 then you need to get rid of it quickly. I lost mines at 19.

Then consider sales/programming/accounting/finance, and study that shit for a year/year and a half. Remember that if your very high iq you might be able to get profieict within 4-6 months vs 1 year. 1 year is average IQ, and if your dumber then 1.5- 2years. Either way you save half the time relative to university as you don't waste time on general courses or bullshit theory courses. You go straight to the proper content. Sales can also lead to management type roles, which again dont need a degree.

Apply the same logic for stem fields like engineering. The best way to understand what is really needed is try to network and understand the assignments they get, and prepare that way, vs trying to get a general understanding. Everything you want to learn is available online.


Once you find what you want to do, You should then work some part time job really in anything, but preferably in the field. So if you wanna do sales, then some sales rep at a store. If you want to do programming then some data entry position in some company. Finance, work as a bank teller, then take the relevant security industry exams. Banks will sponsor you for later ones, but 2 of them , the sie ( securities industries essential ) and series 63 dont require sponsorship, so if you pass them by yourself its highly likely they sponsor you for the series 7 as you showed initiative.

Sales is nice as you don't really require anything. It will also improve your interaction with foids as you know how to talk better. So you might start out as a sales rep, but after a year of working you should then re-apply for a higher position. Consider business development representative or account executive. If you still have trouble, then re apply for some more higher sales rep position with direct sales, like solar sales or auto sales, or freight sales. Then you can jump into the business development representative, account executive positions.

Now with the remote job market, one could also get some job that may not pay much in america, like 16-18$ an hour, but then move after bullshitting an american address. So you go live in some cheap country in EE, or in South America.

For the full dark triad maxxers

Lie about everything. Don't do shit for a few months. Make up experience in sales. Get your friends as a reference. Now start your first job out of high school as a direct salesman. Solar sales and other sales some don't even require experience and are aggressively hiring , so you can take advantage of that.


TLdR- Don't go to university, everything you want is available online. Dark triad max and get a fake degree if you want it so bad, make up fake experience. Most of the background checks involve criminal record checks , and in some cases a phone call to your references which can be your friends. They don't always check with the companies, and even if they do and find out, you won't get that job. Your goal should be to find some stupid company with incompetent management anyways. Don't feel bad as america has repeatedly bailed out failed companies in the 2008 crash 2020 crash. Not to mention banksters didn't give a shit and sold bad mortgage backed securities knowingly as they knew they would get a bailout, so if their committing mass financial fraud, why shouldn't you by lying.
Won't work for most 6 figure jobs and if they catch you once doing this of shit they will blacklist you forever. If JP Morgan caught someone doing this you would pretty much be on a blacklist for all fortune 500 companies.

So I guess it depends do it for low tier jobs or middle tier companies when it comes to a resume exaggerate but never lie when it can be proven. Audits can quickly prove you did not go to a uni if they want to. So only lie on subjective things like experience.

Also to respond to the thread in general getting even a business degree from a state school can be better then just doing nothing. Look up the average income for that major if you can pay it back in 4 years its a good pick (my parents are paying so idc). Getting a degree that mixes coding and business stuff. If I get good I will be a software dev if not I can leverage the degree to get into a Finance career so its sort of a backup if coding doesn't work.
 
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Won't work for most 6 figure jobs and if they catch you once doing this of shit they will blacklist you forever. If JP Morgan caught someone doing this you would pretty much be on a blacklist for all fortune 500 companies.

So I guess it depends do it for low tier jobs or middle tier companies when it comes to a resume exaggerate but never lie when it can be proven. Audits can quickly prove you did not go to a uni if they want to. So only lie on subjective things like experience.

Also to respond to the thread in general getting even a business degree from a state school can be better then just doing nothing. Look up the average income for that major if you can pay it back in 4 years its a good pick (my parents are paying so idc). Getting a degree that mixes coding and business stuff. If I get good I will be a software dev if not I can leverage the degree to get into a Finance career so its sort of a backup if coding doesn't work.
Blacklist is high inhibition cope. Each place gets 100's of applicants per position posted. Each company has hundreds of positions. Now to be fair its stupid to pull this in some big company because their background checks are sophisticated. You'll get caught. But I argue for some smaller place you can get away with it, and then you can use that as a foot to other places. Who gives a rat's ass about woking for some big company. Its the money that counts

A big company would obviously open more doors in the future, but its a sacrifice.
 
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Fuck man. After reading it I'm going to drop out of my uni, which is at the top200 unis in the world and accepts students in the 0.5 percentile, because a retarded fuck on an obscure incel forum said so.
 
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Blacklist is high inhibition cope. Each place gets 100's of applicants per position posted. Each company has hundreds of positions. Now to be fair its stupid to pull this in some big company because their background checks are sophisticated. You'll get caught. But I argue for some smaller place you can get away with it, and then you can use that as a foot to other places. Who gives a rat's ass about woking for some big company. Its the money that counts

A big company would obviously open more doors in the future, but its a sacrifice.
Well I guess it depends man. If you lie for coding but you know what your doing it will probably work out. Most 6 figure careers I want require hard work regardless so if you lied they would find out by your job performance in a few months.

I think should only lie for something can get into relatively easily. And for big companies its generally pretty stupid. For anything worth a decent paycheck they are going to audit you because they don't want to hire a fuck up they would find out very quickly if your degree was fake you can probably get away with fake experience if you know the right people or exaggerate things but faking a whole degree there is no way you get away with this in any high payed large company role.

And even then you should only lie if its a situation where you are competent. Like if you know what your doing then maybe bs a few internships so they don't start you off doing boring stuff. Its better to underpromise then overpromise in actually meaningful roles
 
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Well I guess it depends man. If you lie for coding but you know what your doing it will probably work out. Most 6 figure careers I want require hard work regardless so if you lied they would find out by your job performance in a few months.

I think should only lie for something can get into relatively easily.
Yes, management/sales can be done without much experience. You have to really visualize yourself and have the people skills to do it. But because the barrier of entry is low its a super competitive market. Sales however unlike management I feel has a much higher demand, so despite many applicants their are also tons of positions.

Programming and Accounting you can learn without any degree over the course of 1-2 years studying 4-8 hours a day, taking weekends off.>120 iq can probably do it in 4-6 months or lower IQ like 110 with full effort. Having discipline is gonna be hard with self studying, but if you take some courses online it will be a more structured program. The benefit of self studying is you skip general course work, and stupid theory classes, and straight to the meat of the content.

You do face difficulty as some resume systems just throw away resumes without degrees, or low gpa, but if you can show a physical portfolio of your work, and more importantly ask them to test you on relevant skills and pass with flying colors, some place will give you some work. And worst case , you can slave for a few months free and write it as a internship.

This will allow you to demonstrate that the job market accepts your non college education route, and then from their you can either get a full Time position their at the same company esp if you did a great job. You still will likely get underpaid relative to the industry as its going to be some smaller company not well known, but after a year you can try to re apply again.

My friends make 200-250K starting from top 10 ranked in CS majors. You would likely start out at 50K without any degree, then after a year you can probably get to easily 80-90K, and then after another year 130-150K. After 3 years you would then get to 200K, which is likely where the University Grad would start ( provided that they go to a target school).In the end its the same route, except with one you don't need a specific GPA. Grades fucked me up big time and many companies pretty much require a B average ( sounds easy but college courses are much harder and if your depressed like I was it kills motivation ). I also avoided sales and amangemtn roles even though I could have gotten them, and I got fucked by covid cancelling internships in 2020 for my finance related role.

I'll probably end up as a door to door salesman. I sincerely hope that I can get a better job, but more then likely I will be forced to do this menial shit. My hope is that I can get a white collar job like business development representative with a higher base, or account executive with a higher base and commission after slaving away for this job for 0.5-1 year.
 
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Fuck man. After reading it I'm going to drop out of my uni, which is at the top200 unis in the world and accepts students in the 0.5 percentile, because a retarded fuck on an obscure incel forum said so.
You didn't read and resorted to insults right off the bat, like the typical blue pilled normie whose gotta defend " muh college ". Ask yourself if it was practically a guaranteed path why would their so many uni grads in debt and working as cofee baristas. Its cause the system lied.

I'm saying its not necessary . You can succeed with uni, but its silly to think its some requirement when self studying and offering to do some free work temporarily to prove one's knowledge, and then building experience from their offer similar paths. The reality is education in university is no longer valuable as too many students get them. Supply and demand.
 
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tl;dr - don't go to university if you are ugly.
 
tl;dr - don't go to university if you are ugly.
Not always, Chad would get into more debt then normies, cause he thinks it just a orgy. Other times Chad would be able to focus on education as he already got his dick wet in high school.
 
You got C's
 
Yes, management/sales can be done without much experience. You have to really visualize yourself and have the people skills to do it. But because the barrier of entry is low its a super competitive market. Sales however unlike management I feel has a much higher demand, so despite many applicants their are also tons of positions.

Programming and Accounting you can learn without any degree over the course of 1-2 years studying 4-8 hours a day, taking weekends off.>120 iq can probably do it in 4-6 months or lower IQ like 110 with full effort. Having discipline is gonna be hard with self studying, but if you take some courses online it will be a more structured program. The benefit of self studying is you skip general course work, and stupid theory classes, and straight to the meat of the content.

You do face difficulty as some resume systems just throw away resumes without degrees, or low gpa, but if you can show a physical portfolio of your work, and more importantly ask them to test you on relevant skills and pass with flying colors, some place will give you some work. And worst case , you can slave for a few months free and write it as a internship.

This will allow you to demonstrate that the job market accepts your non college education route, and then from their you can either get a full Time position their at the same company esp if you did a great job. You still will likely get underpaid relative to the industry as its going to be some smaller company not well known, but after a year you can try to re apply again.

My friends make 200-250K starting from top 10 ranked in CS majors. You would likely start out at 50K without any degree, then after a year you can probably get to easily 80-90K, and then after another year 130-150K. After 3 years you would then get to 200K, which is likely where the University Grad would start ( provided that they go to a target school).In the end its the same route, except with one you don't need a specific GPA. Grades fucked me up big time and many companies pretty much require a B average ( sounds easy but college courses are much harder and if your depressed like I was it kills motivation ). I also avoided sales and amangemtn roles even though I could have gotten them, and I got fucked by covid cancelling internships in 2020 for my finance related role.

I'll probably end up as a door to door salesman. I sincerely hope that I can get a better job, but more then likely I will be forced to do this menial shit. My hope is that I can get a white collar job like business development representative with a higher base, or account executive with a higher base and commission after slaving away for this job for 0.5-1 year.
What's the pay look like for account exec?

Also you said people with 120 IQ+ can learn to code in 6 months of effort? That sound incredible optimistic. I'll tell you my plan rn. I'm doing online Community College courses to transfer to a top 30 state school. classes take 10 hours a week. I also work 30-40 hours a week at a job.

Pretty much my schedule is work 8 hours then go to my actual work for 8 hours then sleep. I do this 6 days a week. Coding and trying to increase my math skills I just started but my goal is to get a lot done I should be in the state school by next fall. So my goal is to try and get the majority of the hard work done now. You seem like an interesting guy can I DM you with more questions in the future?


Not sure if I could make it in sales but I do need to get better at it. For now my future is in coding but I also want to one day get good at managing. If you can manage and sell a product with coding knowledge you can easily be a millionaire by 30. I just need a good idea and enough coding knowledge to be able to know whats possible. Then I will manage a team of some sorts thats always been my goal because there really is no cap with this...
 
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What's the pay look like for account exec?

Also you said people with 120 IQ+ can learn to code in 6 months of effort? That sound incredible optimistic. I'll tell you my plan rn. I'm doing online Community College courses to transfer to a top 30 state school. classes take 10 hours a week. I also work 30-40 hours a week at a job.

Pretty much my schedule is work 8 hours then go to my actual work for 8 hours then sleep. I do this 6 days a week. Coding and trying to increase my math skills I just started but my goal is to get a lot done I should be in the state school by next fall. So my goal is to try and get the majority of the hard work done now. You seem like an interesting guy can I DM you with more questions in the future?


Not sure if I could make it in sales but I do need to get better at it. For now my future is in coding but I also want to one day get good at managing. If you can manage and sell a product with coding knowledge you can easily be a millionaire by 30. I just need a good idea and enough coding knowledge to be able to know whats possible. Then I will manage a team of some sorts thats always been my goal because there really is no cap with this...
Yea , u can feel free to send a dm. And man wage cucking and uni is insane. With your work ethic your gonna succeed. I was depressed and lazy in uni, so fucked it up.
 
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POV you went to a shitty T200 uni and payed out of state tuition
 
As a graduate, unfortunately its one of the worst ideas ever. The system is rigged in the sense that only the top tier students in terms of grades get the average opportunities from average universities, and from the best universities, its still the top tier students that get the majority of offers while the rest end up with nothing. I went to a uni that was ranked consistently top 10 for my major ( finance ) and while I got interviews, as I got shitty grades ( I was a c student in most of uni , I struggled to get internships.

My mistake was getting depressed due to lack of bitches and then being surrounded by them so much more then in high school, And each day after 18 ur a virgin it gets worse. While I still ended up getting a foid after doing a lot of approaches, I dint realize how much men dont matter these days. I got ghosted completely by this cute white bitch and it hurt me a lot.

I was stupid and fell for the face is everything meme, , but decided to "risk it " by doing some sarms cycle and then getting big, and was surprised by the success I had in many more ioi and a cute white gym bitch who liked me, and made it very easy for me to approach ( she basically did some dumbbell squats in front of me , even with my depression I knew it was a green light ).

I also regret not doing a semester abroad. I have a friend who went to Poland and now is working their. He was a C+ student avg, but the people abroad really respect the American universities and he did networking and got a job their. My dumbass didn't do that, and now in america they dont really respect college. Eastern Europe still has some respect for college, while Western Europe and scandanvian countries are like america, where to many people are doing college for it to mean anything.

Everything you want is accessible on google. The biggest difference between those who succeed without uni and with uni is that the guy who skips uni has to work some job in the field that's not good wages for for like 1-2 years, and then moving up the ladder. The person who went to a good uni however starts out after 4 years at the top starting salary. For those not going the uni route, you have to study the skills, and that would take about a year with an average iq and studying 4-6 hours a day. Those with above average iq can learn much faster. This is for coding.

You can learn others skills like financial modeling, accounting as well, or both during a similar 1-1.5 year time frame. Then on average it might take 4-6 months to get a job applying to at least 10-15 jobs a day. You might face discrimination for lacking a degree, but that shit can be bought online for about 1.5-2k. Be careful of scams, but you have to consider that the cost of buying a fake degree is better then actually going to one and paying with rent, tuition, and most importantly your time.

You think you have to go to uni to socialize. You can just spam approach on campus like these YouTube pick up artist guys do. You can join some club in a uni. Not like they check your id just to join. Even fraternities won't care as long as pay the dues ( though it would look more odd for some 30 year old to join ). Most want the money and enjoy members.

I've now been unemployed since getting fired for 4 months. 450 jobs/25 interviews/0 offers. I thought I was dog shit at interviewing but despite good preparation they bitch about my lack of experience, but to get experience they require experience. How fucked up is that. And I remember when I tried to get an internship, they have this stupid 3.0 gpa requirement that got me out of a lot of jobs, and thus sales and management were the only ones that didn't really care but I ignored them. Looking back anything is really good even if its not directly in your field. But when I did get a finance internship, it was the time when covid hit, and my internship was cancelled.

I am currently trying to dark triad max with bullshit experience I made up. Got 2 interviews but again no luck. The company is hardly well known which might be why, but at least I am getting again some interviews. I believe now its more so my personality. I have been deeply frustrated and angered by the scam of university. I never expected to get a high paying job immediately after, but the fact that even a 50k job is this hard to get pisses me off. I tried to re-apply to my same position but because I got fired for some bullshit compliance violation they ask why I got fired and then ghost me. Stupid cucks don't care about the fact that shit happens. One mistake and your out.

Consider sales if you want an alternative path to computer programming/accounting/finance. These 2 professions are the only ones with good pay, with accounting starting lower but increasing a lot later. Sales is the most versatile, and while like most white collar jobs its over saturated, unlike other positions their is enough demand for sales that it balances out.

My advice is you get your bitches first. If your extremely high inhibition unfortunately you won't get laid. Consider either fucking some ugly bitch just to get rid of your v card so you don't act so high inhibition and anxiety ridden around women, or just use an escort. It doesn't really matter. But I highly agree that ideally you lose ur v card at 15-16. 18 should be the latest. If your more then 18 then you need to get rid of it quickly. I lost mines at 19.

Then consider sales/programming/accounting/finance, and study that shit for a year/year and a half. Remember that if your very high iq you might be able to get profieict within 4-6 months vs 1 year. 1 year is average IQ, and if your dumber then 1.5- 2years. Either way you save half the time relative to university as you don't waste time on general courses or bullshit theory courses. You go straight to the proper content. Sales can also lead to management type roles, which again dont need a degree.

Apply the same logic for stem fields like engineering. The best way to understand what is really needed is try to network and understand the assignments they get, and prepare that way, vs trying to get a general understanding. Everything you want to learn is available online.


Once you find what you want to do, You should then work some part time job really in anything, but preferably in the field. So if you wanna do sales, then some sales rep at a store. If you want to do programming then some data entry position in some company. Finance, work as a bank teller, then take the relevant security industry exams. Banks will sponsor you for later ones, but 2 of them , the sie ( securities industries essential ) and series 63 dont require sponsorship, so if you pass them by yourself its highly likely they sponsor you for the series 7 as you showed initiative.

Sales is nice as you don't really require anything. It will also improve your interaction with foids as you know how to talk better. So you might start out as a sales rep, but after a year of working you should then re-apply for a higher position. Consider business development representative or account executive. If you still have trouble, then re apply for some more higher sales rep position with direct sales, like solar sales or auto sales, or freight sales. Then you can jump into the business development representative, account executive positions.

Now with the remote job market, one could also get some job that may not pay much in america, like 16-18$ an hour, but then move after bullshitting an american address. So you go live in some cheap country in EE, or in South America.

For the full dark triad maxxers

Lie about everything. Don't do shit for a few months. Make up experience in sales. Get your friends as a reference. Now start your first job out of high school as a direct salesman. Solar sales and other sales some don't even require experience and are aggressively hiring , so you can take advantage of that.


TLdR- Don't go to university, everything you want is available online. Dark triad max and get a fake degree if you want it so bad, make up fake experience. Most of the background checks involve criminal record checks , and in some cases a phone call to your references which can be your friends. They don't always check with the companies, and even if they do and find out, you won't get that job. Your goal should be to find some stupid company with incompetent management anyways. Don't feel bad as america has repeatedly bailed out failed companies in the 2008 crash 2020 crash. Not to mention banksters didn't give a shit and sold bad mortgage backed securities knowingly as they knew they would get a bailout, so if their committing mass financial fraud, why shouldn't you by lying.
lol
 
why would their so many uni grads in debt and working as cofee baristas
I spoke for myself nigga. I'm got passive 500$ gains every month and it's 200$ higher than the min wage in my country. Even though that, I work as a part-time bartender because muh grind never stops. I don't have anything to do else anyway, besides fucking beckies and studying.
 

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