do you guys see an improvement in my body or am i just getting fat?

[tyronelite]

I already gain alot at 3000 kcal my thyroid suckss ass

How much did your weight go up from April to September?

 

[loksr]

When it’s nonsense why does it work? Just go to your gym and ask the people with the best physiques how they eat and stop the cope.

why would I do that when everyone fell for "muh I eat 8 hamburgers a day for maxx gaiiinsss!!"
anyone looking for maximum gains is already wrong when it comes to girls anyway.

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What a retarded argument. Obv face>body.
But if two men have HTN Faces the one with the better body will slay more.

marginally at best, the difference will be pretty invisible to the naked eye
the amount of girls who give 0 fucks about body is astonishing, it'd be better for everybody here if that wasn't the case, but it is the case.

utter subhuman abdomination.

absolute cope.

Is it also niche to like girls with nice tits and asses or what? Jfl at your autism.
Bodybuilders are a niche but not athletic muscular physiques.

big tits = bone size, big ass = height
it doesn't translate over to muscle size, end the cope.

you need to eat ENOUGH CALORIES and you need to train, that's how you put on muscle, the end
proven time and time and time and time again by actual studies and actual bodybuilders rather than "my buddy Jeff from the gym"

 

[eduardkoopman]

ghb is , ghb is a really good replacement like an better alcohol but you need to know what you are doing instead of those retards you see in the docus , so only use it once every 2 weeks in the weekend and thats it still drinking alcohol but atleast reducing the amount of times

yeah, I heard of ghb. Was a replacement drug fro junkies, I recall. or maybe now i'm confusing metadon. anyways, I hope ghb is not a looksmiin.

I liked Krathom, I forgot to mention I used that a few times.
That stuff is kinda nice. And good for social stuff also.

 

[germanlooks]

why would I do that when everyone fell for "muh I eat 8 hamburgers a day for maxx gaiiinsss!!"

Jfl I am obv not talking about retarded dirty bulking. I am talking about a small surplus of 300-500 calories combined in a clean and healthy diet.

marginally at best, the difference will be pretty invisible to the naked eye
the amount of girls who give 0 fucks about body is astonishing, it'd be better for everybody here if that wasn't the case, but it is the case.

wrong. A HTN with a good body is a slayer. A HTN with twink body isn’t a slayer.

absolute cope.

Probably true if you fell for the „just stay a lean twink, muscles don’t matter bro“ meme

big tits = bone size, big ass = height
it doesn't translate over to muscle size, end the cope.

bone size is cope. Most men have average bones and when you put muscles on your bones will appear bigger.

 

[loksr]

Jfl I am obv not talking about retarded dirty bulking. I am talking about a small surplus of 300-500 calories combined in a clean and healthy diet.

if you're fat, eat in a deficit and train and you'll lose weight while putting on muscle. if you're at a good amount of fat, eat at maintenance and train and you'll stay at the same bodyfat and put on muscle. Absolutely delusional if you think someone can be training properly while eating at maintenance and not be putting on muscle, absolutely delusional

wrong. A HTN with a good body is a slayer. A HTN with twink body isn’t a slayer.

wrong. and FAR too many factors to boil it down to something so simple

Probably true if you fell for the „just stay a lean twink, muscles don’t matter bro“ meme

whatever helps you cope at night

bone size is cope. Most men have average bones and when you put muscles on your bones will appear bigger.

can immediately disregard everything you've ever said in your entire life
you're an actual cope artist holy shit

 

[Lars]

How much did your weight go up from April to September?

67 to 74 i gained like 3+ kgs in 1 month over

 

[Lars]

yeah, I heard of ghb. Was a replacement drug fro junkies, I recall. or maybe now i'm confusing metadon. anyways, I hope ghb is not a looksmiin.

I liked Krathom, I forgot to mention I used that a few times.
That stuff is kinda nice. And good for social stuff also.

ghb is legit 0 harmless to your body and promotes HGH , sadly GHB has a bad stigma because you can easy take too much , it is used as a daterape drug and if you have no self control you get addicted , and the addiction is worse than heroin you can legit die from withrawal like alcohol , ghb has no hangover like alcohol so way easier to get addicted from it , but i would only use it once in the 2 weeks to replace alcohol because i use it to not looksmin , i read maybe like 100+ hours about ghb and still really wants to try it to replace alcohol

 

[germanlooks]

wrong. and FAR too many factors to boil it down to something so simple

It’s not wrong. Even bluepilled normies know that muscles will improve their smv.
A gymmaxxed 6 feet HTN will slay more than a twink 6 feet HTN.
Every sane person would agree on this. Muscles are always an improvement. Even if your frame is subhuman tier you will still look better with bigger delts than before.
And for the average guy it’s the best looksmax.

whatever helps you cope at night

You are the person who copes. But the funny thing is in the end you are the one who looses because I know that I’m right. Women find muscles attractive so keep coping if that makes you happy.

can immediately disregard everything you've ever said in your entire life
you're an actual cope artist holy shit

Why because I tell the truth? Most men have average bones and with gymmaxxing they will look like they have above average bones. It is what it is.

 

[Lars]

You're in EU right?
Were do you get the ghb from?

need to find a plug really hard for me because no one uses around me because really bad stigma but i am legit a drug nerd who reads everyday about drugs on multiple forums so i found GHB is legit maybe the best drug to replace alcohol without looksminning , but please know what you are doing , ghb addiction is no joke

 

[eduardkoopman]

i read maybe like 100+ hours about ghb and still really wants to try it to replace alcohol

great research maxxing

 

[loksr]

It’s not wrong. Even bluepilled normies know that muscles will improve their smv.
A gymmaxxed 6 feet HTN will slay more than a twink 6 feet HTN.
Every sane person would agree on this. Muscles are always an improvement. Even if your frame is subhuman tier you will still look better with bigger delta than before.
And for the average guy it’s the best looksmax.

you'll look better in the sense that every halo is a halo
you will not be taken from doesn't slay to slays, that's a gigacope
you'll be taken from slays occasionally to slays sometimes
and all of this has being at least above average facially as a requirement

You are the person who copes. But the funny thing is in the end you are the one who looses because I know that I’m right. Women find muscles attractive so keep coping if that makes you happy.

You know which women find muscles attractive enough to make a difference? over 40
They're not disgusted by them when they're under 40 but most actually do not give even remote amounts of a fuck, like I said it'd be better for everyone here if they did but they don't.

Why because I tell the truth? Most men have average bones and with gymmaxxing they will look like they have above average bones. It is what it is.

bone size is the only part of your frame that matters. It's height + bone shoulder width and nothing else, you're not frauding like you think you are you fucking bird bone

 

[tyronelite]

67 to 74 i gained like 3+ kgs in 1 month over

Did you notice strength gains? It’s ok if you gained a lil fat but if you’re not gaining strength there’s an issue

 

[Lars]

Did you notice strength gains? It’s ok if you gained a lil fat but if you’re not gaining strength there’s an issue

yes i went from Dumbells from 24kg each side to 32kg (i dont do the big 3 only squat but i mostly skipped legday on PPL )

 

[tyronelite]

yes i went from Dumbells from 24kg each side to 32kg (i dont do the big 3 only squat but i mostly skipped legday on PPL )

And what did your diet consist of? Did you at least do leg presses / lunges / extensions for legs?

 

[germanlooks]

you'll look better in the sense that every halo is a halo
you will not be taken from doesn't slay to slays, that's a gigacope
you'll be taken from slays occasionally to slays sometimes

It’s probably the biggest halo which exists and is attainable through looksmaxxing. If you are tall and have atleast an average face it will take you from no slays to slays because you will sizemog most men.

You know which women find muscles attractive enough to make a difference? over 40
They're not disgusted by them when they're under 40 but most actually do not give even remote amounts of a fuck, like I said it'd be better for everyone here if they did but they don't.

Cope. Every girl likes muscles. It’s in their dna like it is in our dna to like nice tits and ass.

bone size is the only part of your frame that matters. It's height + bone shoulder width and nothing else, you're not frauding like you think you are you fucking bird bone

Also cope. Average clavicles + trained delts will have the same effect on women as above average clavicles + untrained delts.

 

[Lars]

And what did your diet consist of? Did you at least do leg presses / lunges / extensions for legs?

150+ protein and 2700 kcals i think i screwed up in august because i was this in end of july , in august i went less to the gym and didnt did did my best and drank alot of booze

should i just a throw a 2 month cut and go back on leanbulking?

 

[loksr]

It’s probably the biggest halo which exists and is attainable through looksmaxxing. If you are tall and have atleast an average face it will take you from no slays to slays because you will sizemog most men.

Cope. Every girl likes muscles. It’s in their dna like it is in our dna to like nice tits and ass.

Also cope. Average clavicles + trained delts will have the same effect on women as above average clavicles + untrained delts.

I’m not gonna read all that shit after you said bone size is cope
Jfl delusional

 

[tyronelite]

150+ protein and 2700 kcals i think i screwed up in august because i was this in end of july , in august i went less to the gym and didnt did did my best and drank alot of booze View attachment 1304668 should i just a throw a 2 month cut and go back on leanbulking?

Yeah I’d cut until you’re happy with the body fat % then lean bulk like Greg Doucette says.. The booze definitely fucked up progress & most likely your sleep

Thoughts? @fogdart @Blackgymmax @chadison

 

[germanlooks]

I’m not gonna read all that shit after you said bone size is cope
Jfl delusional

never said bone size is cope. I said it’s cope in the sense that most men have just average bones and in order to stand out they need to gymmax.
The thing is you are the retard here. Everyone on this forum knows that I’m right and your wrong.
Just blow your brains out if you legit think muscles are cope

 

[TrestIsBest]

I already gain alot at 3000 kcal my thyroid suckss ass

Then take some T3 and T4 and stfu. I'm doing the same, even during my bulk, to limit fat gain

 

[eduardkoopman]

It’s not wrong. Even bluepilled normies know that muscles will improve their smv.
A gymmaxxed 6 feet HTN will slay more than a twink 6 feet HTN.
Every sane person would agree on this. Muscles are always an improvement. Even if your frame is subhuman tier you will still look better with bigger delts than before.
And for the average guy it’s the best looksmax.

true.

I'm still yet, to figure out though.
WHEN
diminishing returns happen.

Because Deminishing returns, not worth the high amount of effort (and risk).

Can you post examples, of WHEN you think gaining extra after that = entering deminishing returns (in SMV gains)????

 

[Lars]

true.

I'm still yet, to figure out though.
WHEN
diminishing returns happen.

Because Deminishing returns, not worth the high amount of effort (and risk).

Can you post examples, of WHEN you think gaining extra after that = entering deminishing returns (in SMV gains)????

i think there is no bad returns when you stay natty

 

[loksr]

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never said bone size is cope. I said it’s cope in the sense that most men have just average bones and in order to stand out they need to gymmax.
The thing is you are the retard here. Everyone on this forum knows that I’m right and your wrong.
Just blow your brains out if you legit think muscles are cope

99% of this forum is delusional incels like yourself. If you’re hoping that they’re on your side it’s already over.

muscles will bring you from 0 to 0.5, that’s it, and it’s gonna do even less than that if you’re getting them by making yourself a fat shit.

it will NOT be the difference between incel and slayer, not on your life. Be lean (NOT skinnyfat) with good definition while being tall with wide shoulders, THAT’S the ideal body for women under 40, period, not up for debate.

you can argue back and forth all you want about how “muh women like this” but if you had any experience with women you’d know what they actually like.

 

[germanlooks]

true.

I'm still yet, to figure out though.
WHEN
diminishing returns happen.

Because Deminishing returns, not worth the high amount of effort (and risk).

Can you post examples, of WHEN you think gaining extra after that = entering deminishing returns (in SMV gains)????

A body like Jeff seid

 

[loksr]

bone size is cope.

never said bone size is cope.

over

now let’s get this straight, there’s nothing wrong with building muscle, but if you’re going into it as a normie thinking it’s going to make you a slayer be prepared to get a lot of compliments from men and minimal if any improvement with women.

 

[chadison]

Yeah I’d cut until you’re happy with the body fat % then lean bulk like Greg Doucette says.. The booze definitely fucked up progress & most likely your sleep

Thoughts? @fogdart @Blackgymmax @chadison

Agree. Alcohol affects REM and deep sleep cycles, and increases cortisol. It is the biggest socially accepted looksmin that I know of. I rarely drink and get memed for that in the fraternity I'm in, but guess what? I look noticeably better than 90% of the guys.

Phenibut has been a good substitute for me. 2g once a wk, or 1g to ease nerves on dates/important social events (sorority socials, etc).

Otherwise yes, cut down like 10lbs and then start slow bulking. High volume training would seem to benefit you most given your metabolism and frame size.

 

[Lars]

Agree. Alcohol affects REM and deep sleep cycles, and increases cortisol. It is is the biggest socially accepted looksmin that I know of. I rarely drink and get memed for that in the fraternity I'm in, but guess what? I look noticeably better than 90% of the guys.

Phenibut has been a good substitute for me. 2g once a wk, or 1g to ease nerves on dates/important social events (sorority socials, etc).

Otherwise yes, cut down like 10lbs and then start slow bulking. High volume training would seem to benefit you most given your metabolism and frame size.

thanks bro lets go cutting i am gonna replace alcohol with ghb soon its like phenibut but on steroids

 

[chadison]

thanks bro lets go cutting i am gonna replace alcohol with ghb soon its like phenibut but on steroids

Where are you getting it? Interested in trying that. I've wanted to try kratom but I live in one of the US states that's made it illegal. Fucking cuck lawmakers

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Injecting test while taking fin doesn't lead to hairloss.

take the fin pill

Good thing I don't need fin. My dad is 60 at nw1.

 

[germanlooks]

muscles will bring you from 0 to 0.5, that’s it, and it’s gonna do even less than that if you’re getting them by making yourself a fat shit.

That’s wrong. It depends on your height, frame, muscle insertions how much muscles will bring you up.
You can’t just universally say that they only improve you by 0.5 points

it will NOT be the difference between incel and slayer, not on your life.

Never said this. But it will improve your smv more than pretty much any other looksmax and can make you a slayer if your base is good enough. And many people on this site would ascend with a gymmaxxed body

Be lean (NOT skinnyfat) with good definition while being tall with wide shoulders

That’s genetic and like saying don’t grow a beard just have a chad square jaw.

THAT’S the ideal body for women under 40, period, not up for debate.

it isn’t. Ideal is tall, wide frame + muscular physique. Basically David laid body in a bit less extreme

over

dnrd

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

David Laid does not have a wide frame. Underneath his muscle his frame is very below average.

This is a broad frame.

 

[Lars]

Where are you getting it? Interested in trying that. I've wanted to try kratom but I live in one of the US states that's made it illegal. Fucking cuck lawmakers

trying to find a plug but no one uses GHB around me has maybe the same stigma as Heroin and meth to normies but if you look it objective it is legit the best alcohol replacement with no harm to your 2 hours duration and no hangover only risky thing is that some people keep redosing because no hangover and if you dose a few ML to high you are already KO for 2 hours or even worse if taken too much , please do alot of research before doing https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/ghb

 

[loksr]

That’s wrong. It depends on your height, frame, muscle insertions how much muscles will bring you up.
You can’t just universally say that they only improve you by 0.5 points

If you have good height good frame and good muscle insertions you’re going to have a mogger body being lean anyway.

Never said this. But it will improve your smv more than pretty much any other looksmax and can make you a slayer if your base is good enough. And many people on this site would ascend with a gymmaxxed body

That’s genetic and like saying don’t grow a beard just have a chad square jaw.

Yeah, it is genetic, like your frame size. You’re realistically not going to build your way to a big mogger body if you don’t have the right frame size/muscle genetics for it. And if you already have the frame and the face girls are gonna like it already.

it isn’t. Ideal is tall, wide frame + muscular physique. Basically David laid body in a bit less extreme

I promise you all the guys you think are moggers because of muscle would still be moggers without the muscle because of tall + wide frame lmfao.

dnrd

You didn’t read your own EXTREME fuck up? Smart thinking you might’ve roped if you had

just how many gymcel copers need to exist before you understand that it’s cope in 99.9% of cases? You are in tune with what men like, not with what women like

 

[germanlooks]

I promise you all the guys you think are moggers because of muscle would still be moggers without the muscle because of tall + wide frame lmfao.

You still don’t understand that most men don’t have a naturally wide frame. Most men with a wide frame have a wide frame because they are gymmaxxed. Just leave your house and look around. The only men with wide shoulders are men who have gym physiques.

 

[loksr]

You still don’t understand that most men don’t have a naturally wide frame. Most men with a wide frame have a wide frame because they are gymmaxxed. Just leave your house and look around. The only men with wide shoulders are men who have gym physiques.

I can’t even begin to process the amount of cope you just said
“Maybe one day I can work my way up to a wide frame ”

you have it or you don’t, jfl. I’m not even going to bring up how big of a cope that really is it’s too brutal for you

 

[Deleted member 13335]

I am gonna cut again

No sense, don't make inconsiderate decisions. Your bf levels are ok, if you don't want to become fatter than just maintain calories and train thus recomposing your body slowly. I have got on this cutting meme once too and lost a lot of muscle because my decision was impolsive

 

[germanlooks]

you have it or you don’t, jfl.

Low iq af. Frame is not just clavicles. It’s also about wide lats and trained delts. Your frame will increase and depending on where you start it will be above average after gymmaxxing.

But no I should just stay a narrow framed twink because girls like that

 

[tyronelite]

No sense, don't make inconsiderate decisions. Your bf levels are ok, if you don't want to become fatter than just maintain calories and train thus recomposing your body slowly. I have got on this cutting meme once too and lost a lot of muscle because my decision was impolsive

He might be already passed the recomposition phase

 

[eduardkoopman]

i think there is no bad returns when you stay natty

A body like Jeff seid

Brutals. Jeff Seid is insane body.

You both, know what deminishing returns mean?
It means: "progressively smaller increases in output/returns/SMV gains; with increased efforts at equal rate"

Like for example.

If this body shape, is rated and seen as 9.5/10. And doable with 3x-4x training per month and natty:

Would it than be deminishing returns. When below physique is seen as 10/10. But need 10x training per week. And need to be juiced up. And very difficult eating regime. Aka, alot of effort, for only 0.5/10 gain.

You catch muh drift???

I'm trying to kinda figure out. To going to what extend makes sense, time and effort investment wise. And to what extend is to much extra works and time input; for limited gains in SMV.

 

[Lars]

He might be already passed the recomposition phase

yeahh 100% my body was this 1 year ago

 

[loksr]

Low iq af. Frame is not just clavicles. It’s also about wide lats and trained delts. Your frame will increase and depending on where you start it will be above average after gymmaxxing.

But no I should just stay a narrow framed twink because girls like that
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work as hard as you want
without roids you're never going to be bigger than the untrained guy who was born with good genetics. You're going to spend your life wondering why girls are flocking to the guy with the good face + height + wide shoulders who has never set foot in a gym while you slave away in a desperate attempt to compensate. Facial looksmaxxing is the only thing actually worth a damn, I can't believe with the sheer amount of gymcels that exist that that STILL has to be explained to you, and you call others low iq.

your life is about genetics, the only looksmax worth a damn is LEANMAXXING so you can hope you have a chad face under the fat

 

[Lars]

work as hard as you want
without roids you're never going to be bigger than the untrained guy who was born with good genetics. You're going to spend your life wondering why girls are flocking to the guy with the good face + height + wide shoulders who has never set foot in a gym while you slave away in a desperate attempt to compensate. Facial looksmaxxing is the only thing actually worth a damn, I can't believe with the sheer amount of gymcels that exist that that STILL has to be explained to you, and you call others low iq.

your life is about genetics, the only looksmax worth a damn is LEANMAXXING so you can hope you have a chad face under the fat

so getting my thyroid meds and losing 10 pounds this 10 weeks it is?

 

[loksr]

so getting my thyroid meds and losing 10 pounds this 10 weeks it is?

yep, the less facial bloat/fat the better, you know that better than anybody here

and you're gonna gain muscle in a caloric maintenance/deficit if you train properly anyway, all the science backs that up, it's not like I'm telling you to go auschwitz mode and you're not gonna go there ever anyway.

 

[germanlooks]

work as hard as you want
without roids you're never going to be bigger than the untrained guy who was born with good genetics

But you will be bigger than your untrained self and that’s what matters. There will always be bigger fishes.
If your jaw isn’t good you also should grow a beard to fraud and improve it. Yes it still has less appeal than the perfect clean shaven chad jaw but it has more appeal than your clean shaven cuck jaw.

The rest you wrote is water and useless.

 

[loksr]

But you will be bigger than your untrained self and that’s what matters. There will always be bigger fishes.
If your jaw isn’t good you also should grow a beard to fraud and improve it. Yes it still has less appeal than the perfect clean shaven chad jaw but it has more appeal than your clean shaven cuck jaw.

The rest you wrote is water and useless.

yeah but I'm telling you the truth is that men are obsessed with always being BIGGER, women are obsessed with IDEALS
if your frame is a FAILO, as in you're a bird bone freak, then building a lot of muscle and hope that you can fraud it probably would increase your smv (unless you're gonna end up like one of those ripped framelets, we've all seen them, probably better to be a twink than looking comical like that), but if you're already tall with a wide frame and a good face then your smv is going to improve by fuckall with muscle mass, and it becomes something you should only do because you want to do it not because you think women will like it more.

at higher face levels the difference between who she will "choose" (choosing is cope she fucks both at different times, she never chooses) is dependent on MANY MANY MANY other factors, it's not some autistic "well he has a 5 psl face, and he also has a 5 psl face, but this one is slightly more gymmaxxed so I will pick him" more often than not it's based on what she ate for breakfast and which way the fucking wind blows before it's based on something like that.

none of this shit is ever black and white, in some cases it helps, in other cases it hinders, in other cases it keeps everything the same
at the end of the day just do whatever helps your face and everything else just do it because you want to do it or don't do it because you don't want to do it.

 

[chadison]

trying to find a plug but no one uses GHB around me has maybe the same stigma as Heroin and meth to normies but if you look it objective it is legit the best alcohol replacement with no harm to your 2 hours duration and no hangover only risky thing is that some people keep redosing because no hangover and if you dose a few ML to high you are already KO for 2 hours or even worse if taken too much , please do alot of research before doing https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/ghb

I'll stick to phenibut for now then, I usually get cranked on two 1g doses 1hr apart, come up time is 3 hours and then it peaks for like 8 hours. I usually dose in the afternoon and it lasts till 2am when I go to bed after a party.

 

[chadison]

The help phen has given me has been insane, half my lays are from being on it and having a ridiculous aura of confidence, it really does work if you're already above average looking and have status

 

[germanlooks]

yeah but I'm telling you the truth is that men are obsessed with always being BIGGER, women are obsessed with IDEALS
if your frame is a FAILO, as in you're a bird bone freak, then building a lot of muscle and hope that you can fraud it probably would increase your smv (unless you're gonna end up like one of those ripped framelets, we've all seen them, probably better to be a twink than looking comical like that), but if you're already tall with a wide frame and a good face then your smv is going to improve by fuckall with muscle mass, and it becomes something you should only do because you want to do it not because you think women will like it more.

at higher face levels the difference between who she will "choose" (choosing is cope she fucks both at different times, she never chooses) is dependent on MANY MANY MANY other factors, it's not some autistic "well he has a 5 psl face, and he also has a 5 psl face, but this one is slightly more gymmaxxed so I will pick him" more often than not it's based on what she ate for breakfast and which way the fucking wind blows before it's based on something like that.

none of this shit is ever black and white, in some cases it helps, in other cases it hinders, in other cases it keeps everything the same
at the end of the day just do whatever helps your face and everything else just do it because you want to do it or don't do it because you don't want to do it.

 

[loksr]

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you should, you could learn a lot from me tbh
you haven't even learned about the basic copes like gymcelling yet

 

[germanlooks]

you should, you could learn a lot from me tbh
you haven't even learned about the basic copes like gymcelling yet

Not a molecule