Do you guys think God exists?

How is the universe finely tuned for life when everywhere else other than Earth is inhabitable for any life forms (specifically more for humans)? :unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:
Although it's true that the majority of the universe is not suitable for life as we know it, it doesn't negate the argument that the universe is finely tuned for life. The argument rests on the idea that the physical constants of the universe have been finely calibrated in such a way that life can exist at all. Even if only a small portion of the universe is habitable, the fact that any part of the universe has the conditions necessary for life suggests that the universe is finely tuned.
 
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I believe that there is a divinity, but it is not the one that corresponds to human imagination. I believe that the divinity, or rather what we call God, is a cosmic entity with no morality, acting according to systematic laws created by itself. It is something so vast that it is connected to infinity and the tendency toward harmony in the whole.

In this sense, I believe that we are all part of this God, of this system. In fact, I believe that this God is part of an infinite and perpetual creation. Therefore, there has never been non-existence; there has always been existence. Non-existence is part of the micro-system, and the renovation of the system is constantly present in the face of perpetual change and mobility in the system as a whole.

The universe 'dies'—actually, it shuts down—and another is born, just as we breathe, just as our hearts beat. I believe that all this mobility is God.
nvm this guy gets it
 
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Although it's true that the majority of the universe is not suitable for life as we know it, it doesn't negate the argument that the universe is finely tuned for life. The argument rests on the idea that the physical constants of the universe have been finely calibrated in such a way that life can exist at all. Even if only a small portion of the universe is habitable, the fact that any part of the universe has the conditions necessary for life suggests that the universe is finely tuned.
this hole in the ground was perfectly designed for me, says the puddle
 
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Have u been everywhere in the universe to confirm this fact
Don't need to lmao, he didn't say "some of the universe was finely tuned" he said the universe in its entirety

And unless you're a conspiracist, I don't think I have to explain that we (or any other species we know of) are not tuned for space life.
 
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youre christian i wont argue with you since youre indoctrinated
I believe in reptiles bro im not Christian :forcedsmile:

I was implying God isn't individual enough to come to down to earth as a single being

The universe is "god" he is the conciousness at the core of all consiouness

It's not a individual, who can incarnate on earth

With that being said, the story of Jesus is as close as it can get, to an individual rising to the level of god

If one did, they'd act selflessly like Jesus did, unaffected by worldly torture and immune to sin.

I dont know if Jesus was even an ally,

im doing the same thing as you and making fun of retards who think there's a man in the sky who they have a personal relationships with
 
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this hole in the ground was perfectly designed for me, says the puddle
A puddle only fits the hole perfectly because the puddle is shaped by the hole, not the other way around. In the case of the universe, the argument is that the physical constants of the universe are precisely calibrated to allow for the existence of life, rather than life evolving to fit the conditions of the universe.
 
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Don't need to lmao, he didn't say "some of the universe was finely tuned" he said the universe in its entirety

And unless you're a conspiracist, I don't think I have to explain that we (or any other species we know of) are not tuned for space life.
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Don't need to lmao, he didn't say "some of the universe was finely tuned" he said the universe in its entirety

And unless you're a conspiracist, I don't think I have to explain that we (or any other species we know of) are not tuned for space life.
Conspiracy theories sure are fun
 
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Yes but in the thing I replied to,

He went as far as to say "it is all that matters" when referring to worship,

But he emphasized that the God is all powerful, so it shouldn't matter to him

So he not only didn't give a justification for why God needs worship

What he did was provide a counter argument, for his own claim before he even made it.

Astounding stupidy, why are you defending it?
Just chill out as we progress in discussion.

The will of man is subjective. Only when following objectivity does that allow you to have genuine purpose and fulfillment. This is aligned with inset morals and meaning. To fulfill our own desires are meaningless and we cannot uphold this objective law. Bend it as one may, it still exists. It supersedes the natural world.

Following and submitting our will unto God while great as it closes to perfection is not enough as we are imperfect. That is why an interceder of perfection to take on our burden was required. That could only be God himself, because he is perfectly love, grace, mercy, and justice this happens all simultaneously. When submitting our will unto God and following through that sacrifice is only when true redemption and purpose follows.

I feel my argumentation is somewhat sound while I’ve glazed over things. I’d like to hear your thoughts.
 
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Don't need to lmao, he didn't say "some of the universe was finely tuned" he said the universe in its entirety

And unless you're a conspiracist, I don't think I have to explain that we (or any other species we know of) are not tuned for space life.
yea okay read what I said here

Although it's true that the majority of the universe is not suitable for life as we know it, it doesn't negate the argument that the universe is finely tuned for life. The argument rests on the idea that the physical constants of the universe have been finely calibrated in such a way that life can exist at all. Even if only a small portion of the universe is habitable, the fact that any part of the universe has the conditions necessary for life suggests that the universe is finely tuned.
 
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Just chill out as we progress in discussion.

The will of man is subjective. Only when following objectivity does that allow you to have genuine purpose and fulfillment. This is aligned with inset morals and meaning. To fulfill our own desires are meaningless and we cannot uphold this objective law. Bend it as one may, it still exists. It supersedes the natural world.

Following and submitting our will unto God while great as it closes to perfection is not enough as we are imperfect. That is why an interceder of perfection to take on our burden was required. That could only be God himself, because he is perfectly love, grace, mercy, and justice this happens all simultaneously. When submitting our will unto God and following through that sacrifice is only when true redemption and purpose follows.

I feel my argumentation is somewhat sound while I’ve glazed over things. I’d like to hear your thoughts.
Nothing you said answered the question of why an all powerful god would require prayer and make it an essential part of the beliefs of its subjects on earth

Literally none of this pertains to worship or the reason for it.
 
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A puddle only fits the hole perfectly because the puddle is shaped by the hole, not the other way around. In the case of the universe, the argument is that the physical constants of the universe are precisely calibrated to allow for the existence of life, rather than life evolving to fit the conditions of the universe.
i dont find your flagellum argument against evolution compelling tho, seems like a god of the gaps.

do you believe in a god of any specific religion?

do you have reasoning for any specific characteristic of this higher "being"?
 
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Although it's true that the majority of the universe is not suitable for life as we know it, it doesn't negate the argument that the universe is finely tuned for life. The argument rests on the idea that the physical constants of the universe have been finely calibrated in such a way that life can exist at all. Even if only a small portion of the universe is habitable, the fact that any part of the universe has the conditions necessary for life suggests that the universe is finely tuned.
Since ONE part of the universe is tuned for life (showing only SOME of the universe is tuned), THE UNIVERSE in its entirety is finely tuned!!!!

And does that make logical sense to you? Am I lost here? :ROFLMAO:
 
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If something is truly infinite in every respect then how aren’t we encompassed by him
How does anything but him exist?
absolute infinity cannot exist for quantitative things but qualitative. Dr. Craig has videos on this
 
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I believe in reptiles bro im not Christian :forcedsmile:

I was implying God isn't individual enough to come to down to earth as a single being

The universe is "god" he is the conciousness at the core of all consiouness

It's not a individual, who can incarnate on earth

With that being said, the story of Jesus is as close as it can get, to an individual rising to the level of god

If one did, they'd act selflessly like Jesus did, unaffected by worldly torture and immune to sin.

I dont know if Jesus was even an ally,

im doing the same thing as you and making fun of retards who think there's a man in the sky who they have a personal relationships with
i didnt even read weel though you were christian jfl
 
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Nothing you said answered the question of why an all powerful god would require prayer and make it an essential part of the beliefs of its subjects on earth

Literally none of this pertains to worship or the reason for it.
God is a stupid narcissist I. hate :rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage:
 
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absolute infinity cannot exist for quantitative things but qualitative. Dr. Craig has videos on this
I’m not going to watch the vids just explain to me why
I feel the only reason you can say something is infinitely qualitative is because it isn’t quantifiable, so not logically disprovable
 
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Since ONE part of the universe is tuned for life (showing only SOME of the universe is tuned), THE UNIVERSE in its entirety is finely tuned!!!!

And does that make logical sense to you? Am I lost here? :ROFLMAO:
Okay but the fine-tuning argument is not solely based on observing one habitable planet. It's grounded in the fact that precise physical constants and fundamental laws of nature, such as the gravitational constant and the strength of electromagnetic force, are finely tuned in such a way that allows for the existence of stars, planets, and life.

I guess the universe in its entirety is not finely tuned for life totally, but what's ur point
 
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Mankind has never been able to reject the idea of a God similar to man. Despite the breaks in geocentric, anthropocentric, and theocentric theories, everything begins with the fall of geocentrism, when humanity realized that it was not the center of the universe. And if there is a God, He did not place humanity as His priority, nor as the harmony of the universe. Nevertheless, they continued to believe in a God similar to man.

When you think about it, it is strange that despite all the refutations, the belief in religion continues to exist. Perhaps divinity was something more complex, an event that emerged from the infinity of possibilities.

I am fascinated by theories of infinity, and I actually find them quite reasonable. Let me explain: Imagine this. In the history of mankind, especially in the last 5,000 years, there was a woman who was able to get pregnant without having sex. This is the first coincidence. Then the pregnancy resulted in hallucinations of angelic forms (second coincidence). This child grew up (although I do not know the biblical story well), and already as an adult he approached a man and offered him loaves of bread, perhaps hiding wine in his sleeves and "turning water into wine". In reality, he may have poured wine from his sleeve. If you think about it, all of these reported miracles could be explained by a bit of trickery or even pure coincidence. For example, maybe the fish got sick just at that time, and there were a lot of dead fish in the sea, which made fishing especially abundant. Does it not seem possible that all these random events occurred and were attributed a divine character?

And if we understand that 5,000 years is a long time, and that there are many more to come, what would happen if such fortunate things happened to a person, such amazing coincidences, that he could be considered divine?

Perhaps we are not dealing with superior beings, but with subjects whose lives are surrounded by a succession of events so improbable and astonishing, and perhaps so deceptive, that they are interpreted by the ignorance or amazement of others as divine signs. In a world where everything can happen by chance or by the ability to deceive, it is quite possible that Christian divinity is just a matter of random perspectives and circumstances rather than the favor of a Catholic or Christian God.
 
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God is a stupid narcissist I. hate :rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage::rage:
He's not though , read this.

yea this person is wrong

Christians believe that God does not *need* worship from humans - God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and self-sufficient. God does not require recognition or praise like a human being.

Rather, worship is seen as a way for humans to express their love, gratitude, and reverence towards God. It is a form of connection and communication with the divine. Worship is not about satisfying God's ego or need for recognition, but rather about humans acknowledging and submitting themselves to the greatness and power of the divine creator.
Tldr: I don't think God actually requires worship, it's just simply a beautiful thing to do so most religions encourage it
 
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yea okay read what I said here
Hasty Generalizations + Survivorship Bias

It seems you're just regurgitating some random argument you got from who knows where w/o questioning it :ROFLMAO:
 

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i dont find your flagellum argument against evolution compelling tho, seems like a god of the gaps.

do you believe in a god of any specific religion?

do you have reasoning for any specific characteristic of this higher "being"?
This thing has been researched throughly. Why it hasn’t been shown light in the media is it would dismantle the idea we can be our own God and to do whatever makes you happy because all you are is space dust. The motor cannot come about through natural processes. Same thing with the design of dna. Atheistic scientists yield “that would mean god in the gaps! And.. and science can explain it all! There must be something we just don’t know from a naturalist perspective” they can’t grasp that this reality of life supersedes naturalistic explanation on a fundamental level.

Dr Craig has a lot of sound reasonings. I would align what I’ve thought to what he says. Not all but a lot.
 
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He's not though , read this.


Tldr: I don't think God actually requires worship, it's just simply a beautiful thing to do so most religions encourage it
No allah says that if you dont pray 5 times a day you go to hell
 
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No
and if he did he would be evil in my book
 
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Absolutely✝️
 
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No allah says that if you dont pray 5 times a day you go to hell
i'm christian not muslim so JFL:lul::lul:

christianity brutally mogs islam
 
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I’m not going to watch the vids just explain to me why
I feel the only reason you can say something is infinitely qualitative is because it isn’t quantifiable, so logically disprovable
It’s too pseudo for my low iq to explain. He’s a cool guy I’d watch his content.

Why not? This like the only conversation that matters. The truth of existence.
 
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This thing has been researched throughly. Why it hasn’t been shown light in the media is it would dismantle the idea we can be our own God and to do whatever makes you happy because all you are is space dust. The motor cannot come about through natural processes. Same thing with the design of dna. Atheistic scientists yield “that would mean god in the gaps! And.. and science can explain it all! There must be something we just don’t know from a naturalist perspective” they can’t grasp that this reality of life supersedes naturalistic explanation on a fundamental level.

Dr Craig has a lot of sound reasonings. I would align what I’ve thought to what he says. Not all but a lot.
wouldn't really dismantle it tbh. doesn't point to any characteristic of a designer. we are still just atoms crashing into atoms at the end of the day.

i came here to fucking rot and looksmax not have philosophical discussions. :feelswhy:

why are users here unironically high iq and introspective.
 
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No allah says that if you dont pray 5 times a day you go to hell
I’d read seeking allah finding Jesus. The guy who wrote is a really smart guy. He addresses metaphysical arguments and doesn’t shy away from what is objectively sound. He was a super devout Muslim.
 
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i'm christian not muslim so JFL:lul::lul:

christianity brutally mogs islam

Yeaaaahnro islam sucks so much I wish my parents wereenr muslim they wouldn’t have disowned me becssuse of religion but it it wahta it is
 
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wouldn't really dismantle it tbh. doesn't point to any characteristic of a designer. we are still just atoms crashing into atoms at the end of the day.

i came here to fucking rot and looksmax not have philosophical discussions. :feelswhy:

why are users here unironically high iq and introspective.
Cuz we understand looks are important and have a Will to do what we can about it, and after that follows more and more introspection till you get to the root
 
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Yeaaaahnro islam sucks so much I wish my parents wereenr muslim they wouldn’t have disowned me becssuse of religion but it it wahta it is
damn I'm really sorry,

Christianity is 100x more loving and accepting , islam is too strict and harsh. not a religion of peace and love
 
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Nothing you said answered the question of why an all powerful god would require prayer and make it an essential part of the beliefs of its subjects on earth

Literally none of this pertains to worship or the reason for it.
It’s not about requiring. It’s about following where reason is. That is my argumentation which I won’t rebuttle. Reread my claim with that in mind.
 
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damn I'm really sorry,

Christianity is 100x more loving and accepting , islam is too strict and harsh. not a religion of peace and love
yes as ex muslim myself who is feeling the family effects, christianity seems like loving and open arms.

however for me it is built on the same system, just watered down and reformed from many years of secularist influence.

many christian apologists are loving the ex muslim pipeline tho. already primed for religiosity so just a smooth transition jfl
 
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Yes, but it's more complex than modern religions portray it nowadays. Religions are surface-level and have become worldly/secular

As of now, the Bible is the only thing that comes close to its intricacy which is why I follow it.
 
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wouldn't really dismantle it tbh. doesn't point to any characteristic of a designer. we are still just atoms crashing into atoms at the end of the day.

i came here to fucking rot and looksmax not have philosophical discussions. :feelswhy:

why are users here unironically high iq and introspective.
I’m open for information that would prove it all wrong like naturalistic processes that would somehow explain how it could come apart, but scientists have yet to find that. Darwin himself said it would all fail if a system like this existed in nature. With that in mind it’s more logical to follow that there is a designer and an orchestrator than pure naturalism.
 
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yes as ex muslim myself who is feeling the family effects, christianity seems like loving and open arms.

however for me it is built on the same system, just watered down and reformed from many years of secularist influence.

many christian apologists are loving the ex muslim pipeline tho. already primed for religiosity so just a smooth transition jfl
I’d read seeking allah finding Jesus. The guy who wrote is a really smart guy. He addresses metaphysical arguments and doesn’t shy away from what is objectively sound. He was a super devout Muslim.
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It’s not about requiring. It’s about following where reason is. That is my argumentation which I won’t rebuttle. Reread my claim with that in mind.
That is the argument you just made,

this is what I contested
If he he is all powerful as God would probably be, he would want us to worship him,
It’s not about requiring. It’s about following where reason is.
These are two separate claims. What are you talking about?

You said God would want us to worship him. It's not a complicated question:

Why would God want us to worship him?
 
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I leave for an hour and there’s 87 replies jfl. Lots of high iq in the thread
 
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did you not read my reply lmaooooo. i am trying to stay respectful please i am not interested in religion, only philosophy/theology
 
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That is the argument you just made,

this is what I contested


These are two separate claims. What are you talking about?

You said God would want us to worship him. It's not a complicated question:

Why would God want us to worship him?
even reducing god to having "wants" never sits right with me. rewarding with infinity, actions or thoughts commited on a finite scale. all just seems conveniently poised for mass control over a weird random primate species.
 
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If something is truly infinite in every respect then how aren’t we encompassed by him
How does anything but him exist?
We are in it, all the parts make it up and create it. There is nothing outside of it. Actually, I think it is not an "it" in the traditional sense, but something that tends to infinity, something that is constantly generated and renewed, repetitively, like the movement of a clock. It does not die in the human sense, but is reborn in a continuous cycle.

Let's put it this way: when a person dies, his body continues to exist in the universe. What really dies is consciousness. I speak from ignorance because I have never been dead, but without digressing too much, we can say that the body remains here. Over time we decompose and become organic matter for the earth. Our flesh is eaten by worms, worms by birds, birds by foxes, foxes by bears, and so on, passing from one being to another. During this process we are part of all these beings, but we are not them.

Now imagine that the Earth is part of a much larger organic system that could be absorbed by a supernova or a black hole. This black hole would be composed of a large amount of matter, including the organic matter of our planet. Now imagine that this black hole that has consumed the Earth collides with another black hole. This collision would produce a tremendous amount of energy.

Do you understand? The universe is an interconnected system, where interactions between microsystems contribute to the energy that allows the cosmos to continue to grow. But what would happen if more energy stopped being generated? In that case, the universe would hypothetically begin to contract in search of new energy. Simply put, the reduction of physical space would increase the probability of a new collision between black holes, or even between white holes (or some other phenomenon we have not yet discovered), which would generate energy again, similar to how our body breathes to stay alive.

This is the perpetual motion I am talking about: the creation of energy and the expansion of the universe, followed by a period in which the universe stops expanding, forcing the creation of energy to reactivate the expansion. I believe that this cycle of creation, consumption and renewal, intertwined by balance and imbalance, is what drives the cosmos continuously. It is a never ending process, an eternal cycle that repeats itself over and over again. Just like our heart beats, if we put it in perspective, if our heart stops beating for one second, we are dead? now imagine in terms of the universe, if the universe stops expanding, it ceases to exist? when we die, we cease to exist?

For me, this is what could be understood as "God": the fundamental principle of a perpetual motion that gives rise to life, which generates states of balance (creation), imbalance (the consumption of that creation, organic matter), and balance again (the generation of new creation from destruction). This infinite cycle, constantly renewed, is what maintains the dynamics of the universe and all existence.
 
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We are in it, all the parts make it up and create it. There is nothing outside of it. Actually, I think it is not an "it" in the traditional sense, but something that tends to infinity, something that is constantly generated and renewed, repetitively, like the movement of a clock. It does not die in the human sense, but is reborn in a continuous cycle.

Let's put it this way: when a person dies, his body continues to exist in the universe. What really dies is consciousness. I speak from ignorance because I have never been dead, but without digressing too much, we can say that the body remains here. Over time we decompose and become organic matter for the earth. Our flesh is eaten by worms, worms by birds, birds by foxes, foxes by bears, and so on, passing from one being to another. During this process we are part of all these beings, but we are not them.

Now imagine that the Earth is part of a much larger organic system that could be absorbed by a supernova or a black hole. This black hole would be composed of a large amount of matter, including the organic matter of our planet. Now imagine that this black hole that has consumed the Earth collides with another black hole. This collision would produce a tremendous amount of energy.

Do you understand? The universe is an interconnected system, where interactions between microsystems contribute to the energy that allows the cosmos to continue to grow. But what would happen if more energy stopped being generated? In that case, the universe would hypothetically begin to contract in search of new energy. Simply put, the reduction of physical space would increase the probability of a new collision between black holes, or even between white holes (or some other phenomenon we have not yet discovered), which would generate energy again, similar to how our body breathes to stay alive.

This is the perpetual motion I am talking about: the creation of energy and the expansion of the universe, followed by a period in which the universe stops expanding, forcing the creation of energy to reactivate the expansion. I believe that this cycle of creation, consumption and renewal, intertwined by balance and imbalance, is what drives the cosmos continuously. It is a never ending process, an eternal cycle that repeats itself over and over again. Just like our heart beats, if we put it in perspective, if our heart stops beating for one second, we are dead? now imagine in terms of the universe, if the universe stops expanding, it ceases to exist? when we die, we cease to exist?

For me, this is what could be understood as "God": the fundamental principle of a perpetual motion that gives rise to life, which generates states of balance (creation), imbalance (the consumption of that creation, organic matter), and balance again (the generation of new creation from destruction). This infinite cycle, constantly renewed, is what maintains the dynamics of the universe and all existence.
So God = Universe?
 
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We are in it, all the parts make it up and create it. There is nothing outside of it. Actually, I think it is not an "it" in the traditional sense, but something that tends to infinity, something that is constantly generated and renewed, repetitively, like the movement of a clock. It does not die in the human sense, but is reborn in a continuous cycle.

Let's put it this way: when a person dies, his body continues to exist in the universe. What really dies is consciousness. I speak from ignorance because I have never been dead, but without digressing too much, we can say that the body remains here. Over time we decompose and become organic matter for the earth. Our flesh is eaten by worms, worms by birds, birds by foxes, foxes by bears, and so on, passing from one being to another. During this process we are part of all these beings, but we are not them.

Now imagine that the Earth is part of a much larger organic system that could be absorbed by a supernova or a black hole. This black hole would be composed of a large amount of matter, including the organic matter of our planet. Now imagine that this black hole that has consumed the Earth collides with another black hole. This collision would produce a tremendous amount of energy.

Do you understand? The universe is an interconnected system, where interactions between microsystems contribute to the energy that allows the cosmos to continue to grow. But what would happen if more energy stopped being generated? In that case, the universe would hypothetically begin to contract in search of new energy. Simply put, the reduction of physical space would increase the probability of a new collision between black holes, or even between white holes (or some other phenomenon we have not yet discovered), which would generate energy again, similar to how our body breathes to stay alive.

This is the perpetual motion I am talking about: the creation of energy and the expansion of the universe, followed by a period in which the universe stops expanding, forcing the creation of energy to reactivate the expansion. I believe that this cycle of creation, consumption and renewal, intertwined by balance and imbalance, is what drives the cosmos continuously. It is a never ending process, an eternal cycle that repeats itself over and over again. Just like our heart beats, if we put it in perspective, if our heart stops beating for one second, we are dead? now imagine in terms of the universe, if the universe stops expanding, it ceases to exist? when we die, we cease to exist?

For me, this is what could be understood as "God": the fundamental principle of a perpetual motion that gives rise to life, which generates states of balance (creation), imbalance (the consumption of that creation, organic matter), and balance again (the generation of new creation from destruction). This infinite cycle, constantly renewed, is what maintains the dynamics of the universe and all existence.
Conciousness is recycled into next bodies

Doesn't die when the body does jfl

This world is a simulation, even to scientists it's obvious. Physical death is inconsequential.
 
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it's society n shiet that deems you bad looking

society sets beauty standards
You guys are newgens looks are purely determined by environment by this point. Even if you are some race that people seem unattractive having a well developed maxilla will get you ahead of 80% of the global pop.
Looks determined by time breast fed and tongues ability to suction to the palate. If that has failed you likely are ugly and have CFD: cranial facial dystrophy…..
But what I just said is so water so I’m not sure how you guys didn’t know that. This site has clearly lost its way….
 
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God is within us
We are God
That's one of the dumbest thing people say. Whatever the case we definitely are not God. And don't take this the wrong way but chances are you're a miserable piece of shit.
 
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So God = Universe?
The truth is that I think it is the most likely, but maybe not, what has been proven is that the universe seems to behave in a similar way to particles, all these laws of thermonidamics, etc..

It is also very likely that the universe behaves in ways that humans cannot experience, perhaps it acts in many dimensions and given the limitations of our bodies we cannot understand. It is like a fly trying to explain the universe.
 
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That's one of the dumbest thing people say. Whatever the case we definitely are not God. And don't take this the wrong way chances are you're a miserable piece of shit.
I am not miserable im pretty happy actually pretty optimistic person I would say
 
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There’s Yahweh who is in charge of this planet and there’s a higher source from which all the universe originates
 
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