Do You Need to Bulk Cut Cycle to Gain Muscle?

[Rothschild]

i genuinely cant find info on this

everyone says muh bulk cut is outdated

then niggas say muh bulk cut is still method

so idrk

i just wanna be able to gain muscle and strength with looking good

 

[Deleted member 300207]

Definetley not

 

[Rothschild]

oh fuck wait @Ghost Philosophy @NumbThePain @Randomized Shame can u change this post to a looksmaxing question one

 

[truejamal]

no you dont need a caloric surplus to gain muscle

 

[Rothschild]

Definetley not

so should i just maintain cuz i feel like i havent gaiened muscle or size

and ive been trying to lose fat and it just isnt goign away and ive been at it for awhile now

 

[Rothschild]

no you dont need a caloric surplus to gain muscle

is maintaining the way

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

you need genetics or roids

that's it. even the weights are optional

 

[Deleted member 297070]

i genuinely cant find info on this

everyone says muh bulk cut is outdated

then niggas say muh bulk cut is still method

so idrk

i just wanna be able to gain muscle and strength with looking good

Don’t listen to the tiny sbl chuds who say you should grow in a deficit year round but don’t become a fatty either
Aim for 200-500 surplus sustained lean bulks, 500-1000 deficit cuts, watch your macros

 

[Deleted member 297070]

And don’t go above like 15-18% bf if possible

 

[truejamal]

is maintaining the way

yes unless you are high bf

 

[truejamal]

Don’t listen to the tiny sbl chuds who say you should grow in a deficit year round but don’t become a fatty either
Aim for 200-500 surplus sustained lean bulks, 500-1000 deficit cuts, watch your macros

how would this be superior over maingaining?

 

[Rothschild]

yes unless you are high bf

im at a normal weight by high bf in my stomach so idk what to do

 

[Rothschild]

Don’t listen to the tiny sbl chuds who say you should grow in a deficit year round but don’t become a fatty either
Aim for 200-500 surplus sustained lean bulks, 500-1000 deficit cuts, watch your macros

ig maybe idk

 

[combatingNorwooding]

i genuinely cant find info on this

everyone says muh bulk cut is outdated

then niggas say muh bulk cut is still method

so idrk

i just wanna be able to gain muscle and strength with looking good

Only when on cycle or when you’re very fat/very skinny.

If you’re at a healthy BMI and you’re natty, don’t bulk or cut.

 

[truejamal]

Only when on cycle or when you’re very fat/very skinny.

If you’re at a healthy BMI and you’re natty, don’t bulk or cut.

exactly

 

[Deleted member 297070]

how would this be superior over maingaining?

A small surplus improves training performace, recovery and overall hormonal environment and you will gain lean mass quicker. Just don’t get too fat and ruin hormones and insulin sensitivity

Fat can be lost much quicker than muscle can be built, lean bulk -> aggressive cut is quicker than suboptimal maingaining

 

[Rothschild]

Only when on cycle or when you’re very fat/very skinny.

If you’re at a healthy BMI and you’re natty, don’t bulk or cut.

so if ive been going to the gym for 3 years have high bf but at a normal weight then what do i do

 

[Deleted member 297070]

so if ive been going to the gym for 3 years have high bf but at a normal weight then what do i do

High bf at normal weight means you’ve been training horribly because you are skinnyfat
Do a slight-moderate deficit and aim for body recomp

 

[combatingNorwooding]

so if ive been going to the gym for 3 years have high bf but at a normal weight then what do i do

What’s your height and weight ?

 

[Rothschild]

High bf at normal weight means you’ve been training horribly because you are skinnyfat
Do a slight-moderate deficit and aim for body recomp

i do 2 sets per excercise with high intensity

 

[Rothschild]

What’s your height and weight ?

118 - 120

5'6

 

[Deleted member 297070]

118 - 120

5'6

Training for 3 years and 120lbs and fat fucking hell man were you waiting outside the gym and eating 0 protein?

Not even trying to be rude but you need to radically change your approach

 

[january]

never bulk.

 

[Deleted member 297070]

i do 2 sets per excercise with high intensity

Whats your split? How often do you train? How many exercises per muscle group & are they redundant? Do you track macros?

 

[combatingNorwooding]

118 - 120

5'6

Your bmi is normal

If you want and you feel like you’re fat, then you can do a moderate cut (300-500) and see if you are feeling like you wanna keep going

 

[Rothschild]

Training for 3 years and 120lbs and fat fucking hell man were you waiting outside the gym and eating 0 protein?

Not even trying to be rude but you need to radically change your approach

nah i was 150 at a certain point but stil had loads of fat on me so i cut 30 pounds only thing that was different was i was leaner in my arms and veins started popping out more but in my mid section still fat there

heres my bmi

 

[Deleted member 297070]

nah i was 150 at a certain point but stil had loads of fat on me so i cut 30 pounds only thing that was different was i was leaner in my arms and veins started popping out more but in my mid section still fat there

heres my bmi

BMI is irrelevant tbh body fat percentage would be a useful marker
If you have no abs you’re probably >=15%bf and at your weight this means very little muscle
Assuming 16%bf that is an FFMI of 16
The range for “skinny man” is 17-18 you are incredibly undermuscled if that was the case

 

[zygosmasher]

Whats your split? How often do you train? How many exercises per muscle group & are they redundant? Do you track macros?

Is a 300 cal surplus good at 5’9 70kg? I’m like 15-17% bodyfat

 

[Deleted member 297070]

Like that is genuinely skinny woman level muscle if that bf% and height/weight is remotely accurate

 

[Rothschild]

Whats your split? How often do you train? How many exercises per muscle group & are they redundant? Do you track macros?

u/l

4 days a week

i use to track macros not much anymore

heres my excercieses:

Upper:

Chest:
Pec deck

weighted dips

Back:
weighted pullups
Cable machine rows

Shoulders:
Dumbbell shoulder press
lateral raises
Rear Delt flies (dont do these much)

Triceps:
Tricep pushdowns
skullcrushers

Biceps:
Regular curls
Preacher curls

Lower (legs):
Leg press
leg extensions
Leg curl
RDLS

Abs:
Cable Crunch

 

[ephemeral god]

is maintaining the way

Yea dont even waste ur time bulking nigga you will just get fat as shit

 

[Rothschild]

Your bmi is normal
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If you want and you feel like you’re fat, then you can do a moderate cut (300-500) and see if you are feeling like you wanna keep going

thing is i dont wanna end up very skinny cuz thatll just mess up my body

 

[Deleted member 297070]

Is a 300 cal surplus good at 5’9 70kg? I’m like 15-17% bodyfat

How muscular are you and how long have you trained for?
I wouldn’t bulk much past that, recomp or cut imo

 

[Deleted member 297070]

thing is i dont wanna end up very skinny cuz thatll just mess up my body

You already are very skinny dude your FFMI is 16, your BMI is only not underweight because you are skinnyfat

 

[Rothschild]

You already are very skinny dude your FFMI is 16, your BMI is only not underweight because you are skinnyfat

so should i just be underweight

wouldnt that fuck up hormones

 

[zygosmasher]

How muscular are you and how long have you trained for?
I wouldn’t bulk much past that, recomp or cut imo

I’m not ripped or anything I still wanna gain muscle mass but I’ve been bodybuilding for like 6 months now, 70kg is pretty light tbh I just want like an aesthetic physique and wider frame

 

[Deleted member 297070]

u/l

4 days a week

i use to track macros not much anymore

heres my excercieses:

Upper:

Chest:
Pec deck

weighted dips

Back:
weighted pullups
Cable machine rows

Shoulders:
Dumbbell shoulder press
lateral raises
Rear Delt flies (dont do these much)

Triceps:
Tricep pushdowns
skullcrushers

Biceps:
Regular curls
Preacher curls

Lower (legs):
Leg press
leg extensions
Leg curl
RDLS

Abs:
Cable Crunch

Not bad split, what rep range? Training is probably fine as long as you train intensely, either you have bottom 1% dalit tier genetics, are eating horribly or the numbers are wrong

 

[Deleted member 297070]

so should i just be underweight

wouldnt that fuck up hormones

You want to body recomp
Your hormones are already fucked if your body is not building any muscle training like this
What are your lifts?

 

[Rothschild]

Not bad split, what rep range? Training is probably fine as long as you train intensely, either you have bottom 1% dalit tier genetics, are eating horribly or the numbers are wrong

like 6 - 8 reps

and i train till failure and maybe some excercises have 1 or 2 rir

 

[Deleted member 297070]

like 6 - 8 reps

and i train till failure and maybe some excercises have 1 or 2 rir

Yeah your training is fine
What are your lifts? If you’re decently strong you might just have bad size genetics or a small frame

 

[Rothschild]

You want to body recomp
Your hormones are already fucked if your body is not building any muscle training like this
What are your lifts?

pec deck i do 205 lbs

dips i add a 30 - 35

pullsups same as dips

cable rows like 125 - 130

shoulder press 45 (maybe 50)

lat raises (i do cable with 20 pounds been stuck on it for awhile)

tri pushdowns (60 - 62.5 also been stuck on it for awhile)

skull crushers 60 - 65 ez bar

dumbbell curl same as sk

preacher curl 30 - 35 lbs

 

[Deleted member 297070]

Like not to humblebrag but I’ve been training for just over 10 months and went from 6’2” 145 to 180 natty and I’m leaner than when I started, and I don’t have the biggest frame or best size genetics something is wrong with your hormones, nutrition or training somewhere surely

 

[Rothschild]

Like not to humblebrag but I’ve been training for just over 10 months and went from 6’2” 145 to 180 natty and I’m leaner than when I started, and I don’t have the biggest frame or best size genetics something is wrong with your hormones, nutrition or training somewhere surely

idk maybe cuz i eat what my mom makes but idk

 

[Deleted member 297070]

pec deck i do 205 lbs

dips i add a 30 - 35

pullsups same as dips

cable rows like 125 - 130

shoulder press 45 (maybe 50)

lat raises (i do cable with 20 pounds been stuck on it for awhile)

tri pushdowns (60 - 62.5 also been stuck on it for awhile)

skull crushers 60 - 65 ez bar

dumbbell curl same as sk

preacher curl 30 - 35 lbs

Have you been training consistently for 3 years?
These numbers are better than your weight suggest but still really low for that time no offense

 

[Deleted member 297070]

Also how old are you, if you’re a kid and your balls have barely dropped you won’t have the anabolic environment for your best gains yet

 

[Rothschild]

Have you been training consistently for 3 years?
These numbers are better than your weight suggest but still really low for that time no offense

thing is for the first like year i was doing 3 - 4 sets to failure ppl

second year i wasn't as consistent but still went alot and was doing ppl 2 sets to failure everyday with a fuckton of excersises

i only really started to implement the u/l and excercises i told u like 8 months - a year ago

 

[Rothschild]

Also how old are you, if you’re a kid and your balls have barely dropped you won’t have the anabolic environment for your best gains yet

16 almost 17 in like a week and a half

been training since 13/14 ish

 

[Deleted member 297070]

16 almost 17 in like a week and a half

been training since 13/14 ish

Yeah you aren’t gonna make much gains at 13-14 I wouldn’t really count those years, I started at 18 so obviously in a much better hormonal environment to build muscle

You’re at an age now where you’re gonna be able to make much better gains so train and eat well now and you’ll fill out

But yeah for you at your age I’d do a lean bulk for a bit, cut to 12% and do it again

 

[Rothschild]

Yeah you aren’t gonna make much gains at 13-14 I wouldn’t really count those years, I started at 18 so obviously in a much better hormonal environment to build muscle

You’re at an age now where you’re gonna be able to make much better gains so train and eat well now and you’ll fill out

But yeah for you at your age I’d do a lean bulk for a bit, cut to 12% and do it again

ig yeah ty

also for lean bulk is that just me going over 200 my maintenance or like the food i eat

 

[Deleted member 297070]

ig yeah ty

also for lean bulk is that just me going over 200 my maintenance or like the food i eat

Yeah 200 or so over
Try to get a gram of protein per lb of body mass, maybe more at your weight