theres no argument its just faith dumb nigger also evil has to exist for free will to exist
so who created god
god is eternal
Without evil religion would be pointless. Death is evil. God does exist because the world itself is too complex to be made by accident and let alone keep going. Too many beautiful things that are too complex to replicate. We all have an instinctive view of right and wrong, and if we have that then where can such an understanding come from? It's not random.
so if he didn’t begin how is he “here”? matter can’t be created or destroyed
Not everything that exists has to ‘begin.’ Only things inside time begin. God is understood as outside time so he doesn’t ‘start’ the way matter “matter can’t be created or destroyed”
i never said you have to read bible or religious books
i see, is this all in the bible?
Then god didn’t exist before he created evil or he didn’t have free will himself
Not sure how this is supposed to conclude with god
Ok so you can just say anything that you claim god created wasn’t created and that it was eternal. There’s no need to add god
Why is that true
Lmao you realize not everyone believes that a god must be eternal so if ur just redefining god as whatever is eternal than it’s just gonna be a non productive convo
Something outside of time can do nothing since time is necessary for change to occur. If they were outside of time they either always did it or never did anything
I don’t see why would be true
But god is more complex than the world yet didn’t have a creator so why can’t something less complex than god exist without a creator
What determines if something is “too complex”
Not rlly it’s only if you have neurotypical understanding of morality but this can be better explained by evolutionary values
Natural selection. If we didn’t care about morals we wouldn’t be able to function as a social species
Because things don’t pop into existence from nothing
If we don’t define god as sentient the line between god and just anything else that existed prior to everything else even if it’s just a mechanism or the laws of nature itself isn’t drawn
as homer simpsonn would say: i donut understand
God exists without a cause though in ur view
We have never observed anything truly beginning at all. We just see it change in order or structure
So by ur logic the laws of nature could be god lmao
What analysis of contingent are you using
God doesn’t ‘wait’ and then act
If god exists prior to time then he cannot create time because there is no change which means everything prior to time is the same as before time
Time beginning is a contradiction because time implies change but if there is no change that causes change to occur then there can be no creation at all
you’re assuming a prior change is needed for time to begin
saying god exists outside of time is cope
if you dont assume this, a god isnt necessary
can you describe the conditions of hell?
saying God is outside time is a philosophical claim, not a literal reading of Genesis
i thought god specifically told them what to right? or am i wrong?
not exactly
right now I’m arguing for a necessary, uncaused foundation of reality not defending a specific religion
jay eff ell what kind of logic is this
ah alr, well i can get behind that i guess
first time ever hearing ts, amazing take
argument reserved for abrahamic religions only thofirst time ever hearing ts, amazing take
If there is no change before time. Nothing can change to allow time to then exist
Lmao what’s the reason it’s “too good” for there not to be a creator
you’re still imagining a ‘before time’ where something has to change. But if time begins at the first moment, there is no prior state that needs changing. The first moment just is
You stating that before time is incoherent is only proving my point. For god to create time or for time to come into existence there would need to be existence without time and thus would require a change
No he dosent
