Does MSE make the midface longer or not?

[Deleted member 7776]

I've talked to many docs and browsed many different forums. Some say yes, some say no.

I am very confused. I have the appointment to install it in my mouth in December this year, but I don't want to end up with a long(er) midface.

Luckily enough, I managed to convince him to change my MSE+FM plan to MSE+FM+MSDO. He did say he only does it in very rare cases, so I am definitely lucky in that regard.

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

Missed u g

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Missed u g

Appreciate it.

 

[Britishlooksmaxxer]

OP

 

[Almost Chadlite]

I don't see how it would make the midface taller

 

[000]

I've talked to many docs and browsed many different forums. Some say yes, some say no.

I am very confused. I have the appointment to install it in my mouth in December this year, but I don't want to end up with a long(er) midface.

Luckily enough, I managed to convince him to change my MSE+FM plan to MSE+FM+MSDO. He did say he only does it in very rare cases, so I am definitely lucky in that regard.

It make IPD higher by like 1 mm so doesn’t it shorten it

 

[Deleted member 7776]

I don't see how it would make the midface taller

Some people said it and this idea frightens me. I just want to improve my maxilla, zygos and mouth/palate width

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Technically yes, by about 1mm or less, but the widening effect which is a few more mm still improves this ratio.

Its easy to see how the people here who believe in mewing and facepulling might think this is substantial, but I’m telling you 1mm is not appreciable.

 

[Deleted member 8461]

can't you just get a high cut le fort i afterwards?

 

[RichardwillImprove]

Technically yes, by about 1mm or less, but the widening effect which is a few more mm still improves this ratio.

Its easy to see how the people here who believe in mewing and facepulling might think this is substantial, but I’m telling you 1mm is not appreciable.

With surgical assist will it still make midface longer. Also do u think face mask with mse is beneficial.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Technically yes, by about 1mm or less, but the widening effect which is a few more mm still improves this ratio.

Its easy to see how the people here who believe in mewing and facepulling might think this is substantial, but I’m telling you 1mm is not appreciable.

is this dependent on the amt of expansion or a consequence of device installation?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

With surgical assist will it still make midface longer. Also do u think face mask with mse is beneficial.

Yes a very slight (again not aesthetically relevant, more orthodontically relevant to orthodontists who work in tenths of millimeters) inferior movement is well documented with SARPE since the 1940’s.

is this dependent on the amt of expansion or a consequence of device installation?

It’s a consequence of the sutures being disrupted. You shouldn’t worry about it.

 

[Agendum]

I've talked to many docs and browsed many different forums. Some say yes, some say no.

I am very confused. I have the appointment to install it in my mouth in December this year, but I don't want to end up with a long(er) midface.

Luckily enough, I managed to convince him to change my MSE+FM plan to MSE+FM+MSDO. He did say he only does it in very rare cases, so I am definitely lucky in that regard.

There are factors to consider like race. These things need more discussion since the actual body of the bones (like maxilla) are different in shape/size. So that may explain why there isnt any consensus.

 

[JustBeCurry]

holy shit whos doing the msdo on you op i thought only a very select few did it

 

[Deleted member 7776]

holy shit whos doing the msdo on you op i thought only a very select few did it

Indeed, and he was very hard to convince but ultimately I managed to do so

 

[RichardwillImprove]

Indeed, and he was very hard to convince but ultimately I managed to do so

What city.

 

[Deleted member 6892]

I've talked to many docs and browsed many different forums. Some say yes, some say no.

I am very confused. I have the appointment to install it in my mouth in December this year, but I don't want to end up with a long(er) midface.

Luckily enough, I managed to convince him to change my MSE+FM plan to MSE+FM+MSDO. He did say he only does it in very rare cases, so I am definitely lucky in that regard.

no it wont, 1 mm at most

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Technically yes, by about 1mm or less, but the widening effect which is a few more mm still improves this ratio.

Its easy to see how the people here who believe in mewing and facepulling might think this is substantial, but I’m telling you 1mm is not appreciable.

how does it elongate the midface?

 

[Deleted member 7776]

can't you just get a high cut le fort i afterwards?

I'm doing this to prepare for lefort2+bsso

 

[Lev Peshkov]

It won't change your face in the slightest

 

[Deleted member 7776]

It won't change your face in the slightest

hhahhaha cope my friend

 

[Lev Peshkov]

hhahhaha cope my friend

I assure you nothing changes

Look at Ronald ead

He just has a stupidly wide mouth now and that's it

 

[Deleted member 7776]

I assure you nothing changes

Look at Ronald ead

He just has a stupidly wide mouth now and that's it

I need that anyway

 

[Deleted member 8461]

I'm doing this to prepare for lefort2+bsso

does lefort ii shorten midface?

 

[dadfa]

I need that anyway

Who's the orthodontist willing to do these procedures on you?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Look at the nostril base, its lowered as it spreads out. The nostrils will be slightly lowered if they follow the bone structure change.

See the nostrils are pushed out and down slightly, a diagonal movement.

 

[Deleted member 5385]

does lefort ii shorten midface?

Not necessary
It can give dramatic forward and some upward growth and if it worth it look at this result

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Look at the nostril base, its lowered as it spreads out. The nostrils will be slightly lowered if they follow the bone structure change.

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See the nostrils are pushed out and down slightly, a diagonal movement.

I don't know why but he looks so anooying I wanna punch his face jfl

 

[EdwardCullen]

Look at the nostril base, its lowered as it spreads out. The nostrils will be slightly lowered if they follow the bone structure change.

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See the nostrils are pushed out and down slightly, a diagonal movement.

That guy did so much shit to his face all that MSE and braces shit and in the end all he got was a joker smile