does scamming actually get u prison time / caught in 1st world countries

[Messabouts]

wondering what consequences are for someone that does as ik lots of friends who claim they will never face repercussions, obv try ur hardest not to get caught but if u do what happens

 

[momoil]

Just rob the louvre bro

 

[khrome]

depends what u scam

 

[sonic55555]

Just rob the louvre bro

just louvre the bro, Rob

 

[kingofearth]

depends what u scam

What Khrome said is correct with some nuances.

What scale you scam at, coupled with your expertise of OpSec (operational security) and what specific target is being exerted onto. Those determine your consequences. You can get away with clicking, refunding, you certainly will not get away with a multi million pound operation, with entry level security.

Your name gets put on a watch list, and a case starts getting built, many months before you ever get your door kicked through. Search warrants take long to acquire, before they have that, you'll have many months of shit stacked up against you.

 

[Messabouts]

depends what u scam

my friends do refunds for a few thousand a month, also rugpulling and selling fake concert tickets to guys on tinder they make around 10-20k a month n claim their opsec is too good to get caught

 

[khrome]

What Khrome said is correct with some nuances.

What scale you scam at, coupled with your expertise of OpSec (operational security) and what specific target is being exerted onto. Those determine your consequences. You can get away with clicking, refunding, you certainly will not get away with a multi million pound operation, with entry level security.

Your name gets put on a watch list, and a case starts getting built, many months before you ever get your door kicked through. Search warrants take long to acquire, before they have that, you'll have many months of shit stacked up against you.

the obvious version of what i said

opsec is irrelivent - as someone with lots of experience in the field lmao, unless you're incredibly careful (to the point scamming is practically off the table), theres no difference in chance of getting caught. It all comes down to what extent of cost you're scamming the person out of.

small scale - fine
medium+ - varies

 

[Messabouts]

What Khrome said is correct with some nuances.

What scale you scam at, coupled with your expertise of OpSec (operational security) and what specific target is being exerted onto. Those determine your consequences. You can get away with clicking, refunding, you certainly will not get away with a multi million pound operation, with entry level security.

Your name gets put on a watch list, and a case starts getting built, many months before you ever get your door kicked through. Search warrants take long to acquire, before they have that, you'll have many months of shit stacked up against you.

how 2 know if a case is being built? or r u just cooked

 

[khrome]

my friends do refunds for a few thousand a month, also rugpulling and selling fake concert tickets to guys on tinder they make around 10-20k a month

n claim their opsec is too good to get caught

nobody gives a shit enough to try JFL

 

[Messabouts]

the obvious version of what i said

opsec is irrelivent - as someone with lots of experience in the field lmao, unless you're incredibly careful (to the point scamming is practically off the table), theres no difference in chance of getting caught. It all comes down to what extent of cost you're scamming the person out of.

small scale - fine
medium+ - varies

how is opsec irrelevant if u use like mules n monero while never using devices that trace to u, is that not borderline impossible to trace

 

[kingofearth]

my friends do refunds for a few thousand a month, also rugpulling and selling fake concert tickets to guys on tinder they make around 10-20k a month n claim their opsec is too good to get caught

Well, let me tell you a harsh fucking truth right here right now.

You said they claim their opsec is too good to get caught.

That's not true.

You know. The fact you, or anyone they know knows they're doing it, defeats the purpose of OpSec.

They're not on a large enough scale yet, but they're most likely on that very list I was talking to you about.

The people who do this professionally do not talk about it, ever, to anybody. They live 2 lives, a silent one, and a completely separate everyday life, with a normal job, normal people around them. Blending in. Except when you spin up their Tails VM.

 

[kingofearth]

opsec is irrelivent

Idiot.

This mentality is why entry-level criminals end up prison, and why notorious runners get to the point where they're funnelling millions via offshores.

I don't want to talk to you anymore. Do not bother replying to me.

 

[khrome]

how is opsec irrelevant if u use like mules n monero while never using devices that trace to u, is that not borderline impossible to trace

most actual "opsec" can be backdoored, unless as i said you're a complete nerd and go down hardware routes, which you wouldnt be

Well, let me tell you a harsh fucking truth right here right now.

alpha male or what

You said they claim their opsec is too good to get caught.

That's not true.

You know. The fact you, or anyone they know knows they're doing it, defeats the purpose of OpSec.

They're not on a large enough scale yet, but they're most likely on that very list I was talking to you about.

The people who do this professionally do not talk about it, ever, to anybody. They live 2 lives, a silent one, and a completely separate everyday life, with a normal job, normal people around them. Blending in. Except when you spin up their Tails VM.

Unless you go down hardware routes, no opsec (if you were actually doing something to warrant a search) is going to make much a difference

 

[khrome]

Idiot.

This mentality is why entry-level criminals end up prison, and why notorious runners get away with funnelling millions.

I don't want to talk to you anymore. Do not bother replying to me.

fucking retard

Keep larping opsec because you've watched 3 edits on tiktok fucknut

"I dont want to talk to you anymore"

 

[Messabouts]

small scale - fine
medium+ - varies

whats small scale, 20k a month reccuring?

 

[momoil]

most actual "opsec" can be backdoored, unless as i said you're a complete nerd and go down hardware routes, which you wouldnt be


alpha male or what

Unless you go down hardware routes, no opsec (if you were actually doing something to warrant a search) is going to make much a difference

What scams can you even do online?

 

[Messabouts]

What scams can you even do online?

all of them ???

 

[khrome]

whats small scale, 20k a month reccuring?

Anything that would warrant a largescale search against you. Varying the scams you do to different people typically makes you less of a target - avoiding businesses / "important" people

What scams can you even do online?

Pretty much anything you can think of
selling fake shit
malware for info
rugpulling - bit more difficult tho jfl

 

[Carder]

wondering what consequences are for someone that does as ik lots of friends who claim they will never face repercussions, obv try ur hardest not to get caught but if u do what happens

they larp, or do something that little that police and gov has taxes to get instead of doing a whole aahh search for 10 bucks, but mostly larp

 

[jozsef316@gmail]

they will never face repercussions

That's factual.

 

[ascendingpath]

wh

What Khrome said is correct with some nuances.

What scale you scam at, coupled with your expertise of OpSec (operational security) and what specific target is being exerted onto. Those determine your consequences. You can get away with clicking, refunding, you certainly will not get away with a multi million pound operation, with entry level security.

Your name gets put on a watch list, and a case starts getting built, many months before you ever get your door kicked through. Search warrants take long to acquire, before they have that, you'll have many months of shit stacked up against you.

what about carding tho fraud

 

[DanielLewinskyNuwar]

wh

what about carding tho fraud

If you need to ask any question like this it isn't for you

Same goes for anybody taking this thread seriously

 

[Peachy]

It definitely do, especially in states like Texas and Georgia

 

[itsallg3netics]

wondering what consequences are for someone that does as ik lots of friends who claim they will never face repercussions, obv try ur hardest not to get caught but if u do what happens

if u do it the right way you don’t have to deal with ts

 

[kingofearth]

If you need to ask any question like this it isn't for you

Pretty spot on comment. This is not the place to even be having conversations such as those.

 

[SamMar]

wondering what consequences are for someone that does as ik lots of friends who claim they will never face repercussions, obv try ur hardest not to get caught but if u do what happens

depends on size of scam, what country you from, how strong your security is