Drop your anti-aging protocol.

[Corleone]

almost no one in their 20s looks significantly older than their age because of wrinkles or skin thinning and the ones who do are on roids

not in their 20s but aging really kicks in in the 30s, this is where some guys can still date 18/19/20 year old girls and others look like pensioners. So better to take action early

 

[Slob]

boneless guys age horribly, it's even more important for them to preserve their collagen, as there are no bones in the face that could hold up the sagging skin

I can't wait to age like shit, I want to look 30+, not 16.
My life is a joke.

 

[Soalian]

Anyone on here knows how to buy methylene blue serum for topical application?

 

[Soalian]

I get all the short answers ITT, and they're right, the right lifetyle (sleep/diet/exercice/stress minimization/...) is most of the work, and the basis of everything, then add a few stuff such as Sunscreen and Tretinoin,etc,... and you should do good,

but IMO the long (and really, the right) answer surely, is this:

Fighting aging, biologically and facially, especially when you turn 30, is a freaking complicated affair.

Because as you age, you're basically trying to find the laws of entropy, you cannot defeat aging, only slowing it biologically, or reversing it locally by "cheating" a bit (aka, you can get to look younger than you biologically are, with the right protocols, but you're basically fooling people about what's going on inside).

 

[eduardkoopman]

Are you megadosing collagen peptides? I thought I saw your post in that thread but maybe I'm wrong

yeah. kinda high dose. 2 or 3 scoops per day. in the coffee, tea, hot drinks

 

[Germania]

I got the 25% match rate for big Chad. based on this experiment: where Chad, actually GigaChad got 27% match rate.


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They definitely used Tinder Premium, otherwise the swipes would have been limited.

That's why this Chad has a lower match rate than me I think:

- they did the "experiment" in an extremely hypergamed place like LA where the competition is probably tougher than anywhere else in the world. In general i think we can't compare the US dating market 1 to 1 with other countries.

- the first picture of the type looks hardcore edited, women notice that.

- But most important, they only waited one day after the swipes. Since Tinder has an extreme surplus of men (I think 75% men), it will be the case, that many women have not yet seen his profile, simply because there are so many male profiles.
They definitely used Tinder Premium, otherwise the swipes would have been limited.

 

[Germania]

stress minimization

Very important point! Stress destroys our looks, makes us very sick and ages us. I swear by Ashwaganda to reduce cortisol.

I used to always have ibuprofen in my office to take it when stress gave me a headache at work. My life was actually very easy back then. Average Joe life, work, gym, netflix.

I have a lot more to do now. What was added? Leading position at work, a dog, a new hobby, a part-time Master of Business Administration for which I have to study in the evenings and at weekends, a lot more dating. So i have a lot more to do than I used to, but I hardly know the feeling of stress/cortisol anymore. What have I changed? Actually only Ashwaganda, but maybe my body is also adapting to the new strain, maybe it's also getting older and maybe a combination of everything. Anyway, I see no reason not to take Ashwaganda and it's cheap.


Another component is mental health, which also has a massive impact on our looks/aging.

 

[Wallenberg]

- they did the "experiment" in an extremely hypergamed place like LA where the competition is probably tougher than anywhere else in the world. In general i think we can't compare the US dating market 1 to 1 with other countries.

I think differences between western countries are exaggerated.

 

[Germania]

I think differences between western countries are exaggerated.

Not fundamentally, of course, but in general I would say that Americans and American women are clearly more fucked up in their brains than europeans.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Not fundamentally, of course, but in general I would say that Americans and American women are clearly more fucked up in their brains than europeans.

Usa appears degenerate as fuck. Tbh

 

[Pumanator]

1. Botox (most important and effective)
2. Retin A
3. Microneedling
4. Sunscreen
5. Collagen boosting injectables like Radiesse or Profilho filler

I use all of them and turned from 35 looking to 23. Just last week 2 girls guessed my age at 22/23 when in reality i am almost 29.

Those injectable mentioned at point 5, how much do they costs and is it like filler changing bone or not? How often to reapply?

 

[Deusmaximus]

Those injectable mentioned at point 5, how much do they costs and is it like filler changing bone or not? How often to reapply?

- price depends on country
- They are injected in small amounts very superficially to stimulate collagen. Has nothing to do with volumizing or changing bone

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

How deep is your needling treatment? 1 or 1.5mm?
Also which vitC are you using? Skinceuticals?

1.5mm for hair
1mm for scars
0.5mm for skin rejuvenation

 

[Deusmaximus]

1.5mm for hair
1mm for scars
0.5mm for skin rejuvenation

I read that the skin collagen effects only work at 1mm+
Below is cope for collagen

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

I read that the skin collagen effects only work at 1mm+
Below is cope for collagen

I think it generally depends on individual age and even race, I was listening to a derm talk about it, depths >1mm can be bad for thinner for more sensitive areas like above the cheeks and around the eyes, facial skin is generally thinner than other regions of the body.

 

[Wallenberg]

How often do you have to microneedle, and how effective is it? I have never done it, but I can consider it for anti-aging purposes.

Not fundamentally, of course, but in general I would say that Americans and American women are clearly more fucked up in their brains than europeans.

I don't know. I haven't seen a huge difference. Ultimately the guy's looks matter more than location.

 

[stevenashbaby]

Retin A
Sunscreen
Copper peptides
pdrn
Limiting sunlight
A full gut health protocol

 

[AlexBrown84]

Retin A
Sunscreen
Copper peptides
pdrn
Limiting sunlight
A full gut health protocol

Do you inject copper peptides

 

[stevenashbaby]

Do you inject copper peptides

No just topical. Buffet with copper peptides from the ordinary.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Do you inject copper peptides

No just topical. Buffet with copper peptides from the ordinary.

I use this copper peptide from Niod / deciem

Copper Amino Isolate Serum 3 1:1 (CAIS3) | NIOD

NIOD Copper Amino Isolate Serum 3 1:1 (CAIS3) is our collagen-boosting serum. Get it at 23% off this Slowvember.

niod.com

 

[Soalian]

1.5mm for hair
1mm for scars
0.5mm for skin rejuvenation

My thinking was that microneedling/dermarolling face would use up your collagen reserves faster, so to speak,

by forcing faster collagen turnover by the own skin cells, and that the new collagen tissue would be from adaptive repair to an insult, and not from "regular" collagen turnover.

 

[Soalian]

Also where can you get Placentex ointment (PDRN topical) or Placentex injections? (brand name is Mastelli),

the Mastelli Placentex injection products were being sold on Ebay about one year ago, in 2021, seemd like the product disappeared from the website though:

 

[Asocial]

Also where can you get Placentex ointment (PDRN topical) or Placentex injections? (brand name is Mastelli),

the Mastelli Placentex injection products were being sold on Ebay about one year ago, in 2021, seemd like the product disappeared from the website though:

Placentex injection vials require a medical prescription in Italy, probably this is the reason why they disappeared from Ebay.
Just out of curiosity, what does Placentex cream do to the skin? Have you tried it yourself?

 

[Dodevu]

Avoid TRT - but it seems many people on this forum are on it

 

[Asocial]

For most of my life I have not followed any anti-aging protocol, and practically not even now. I am quite older than the average looksmaxer in this forum, yet I have no wrinkles at all (only a couple of very thin lines on the forehead, but not really noticeable). I guess this is my only genetic trait which has been uber-lucky: both my parents are in their 70s and they still have very few wrinkles.

I don't like tanning, even though I do it a bit in summer, and I have a rather limited facial mimic: I never knit my forehead, I don't squint, I seldom smile, etc. It has always been my habit, I don't do it purposedly, but maybe it helped avoiding wrinkles.

I drink only water (except for alcool when I go out with friends or girls, of course, but with moderation, even though I drank much more in the week ends in the late high school and university), I don't eat processed sugars, instead I eat a lot of vegetables and fruits, meat, bread, pasta and some fishes and pizza. I make use of olive oil but also butter. Honestly my diet is the usual Northern Italian one, at least the most natural version of it.

I have never smoked (maybe a pack of cigarettes in my life) and I have never tried drugs of any kind.

I try to sleep 8 hours per night and even though I don't fall asleep easily I still manage to stay at least 8 hours with closed eyes. I sleep only on my back.

I could say that I have always lived a healthy life, but probably my luck is mostly genetic, even though I think that a few sun and no smoke have provided a good help.

 

[StuffedFrog]

both matrixyls for am and pm tretinoin and sunscreen also use your money for co2 lasers

 

[Lawton88]

not in their 20s but aging really kicks in in the 30s, this is where some guys can still date 18/19/20 year old girls and others look like pensioners. So better to take action early

Yep you may need to defend yourself later in life also.

 

[Soalian]

Avoid TRT - but it seems many people on this forum are on it

Reasonable doses Testosterone shouldn't be too damaging for skin collagen I think

 

[Soalian]

Placentex injection vials require a medical prescription in Italy, probably this is the reason why they disappeared from Ebay.
Just out of curiosity, what does Placentex cream do to the skin? Have you tried it yourself?

No I haven't tried it, that's why I'm asking for a source for it in this thread...

 

[Deleted member 19064]

ALL this cope in here. Listen OP im 26 year old oldcel too. You need to fix your INTERNAL health with diet and what im about to tell you is the most potent looksmax ANYONE can do.

The Andreas Moritz liver and gallbladder cleanse. Get your liver functioning optimally, and everything else will fall into place as if by magic.

Secondly as an adjunct therapy to this, you can do coffee enemas. I am going to make a larger post on this later on so all can benefit.

 

[Deleted member 21532]

camel milk everyday bro

Where do you live that you have camel milk so easily every day ?

 

[Corleone]

about the liver and gallbladder cleanse, oils are rancid and through free radicals damage your cells and are thus associated with faster aging. What makes you think that drinking half a glass of it will slow it down?

Secondly as an adjunct therapy to this, you can do coffee enemas. I am going to make a larger post on this later on so all can benefit.

make sure to tag me in the thread about it, I'm open to learn new things and potentially see you overcome my mental reservations. As far as I know caffeine ages you.

edit: Andreas Moritz died at 58 from a heart attack and sold esoteric bs products on the side. I think I'm skipping it.

 

[Deleted member 19064]

about the liver and gallbladder cleanse, oils are rancid and through free radicals damage your cells and are thus associated with faster aging. What makes you think that drinking half a glass of it will slow it down?

make sure to tag me in the thread about it, I'm open to learn new things and potentially see you overcome my mental reservations. As far as I know caffeine ages you.

edit: Andreas Moritz died at 58 from a heart attack and sold esoteric bs products on the side. I think I'm skipping it.

The cleanse is ancient. Andreas just made it digestible for The masses. I will discuss this with you in my thread

 

[mug]

I fucked up my skin in college and started to look mid 20s while 19

Rn i ALWAYS use sunscreen in morning and tretinoin at night also cleanser etc im looking better again

 

[manlet cUnt]

just never make any facial expressions to avoid wrinkles theorem

 

[looksseg]

I'm 31 and girls think me as 24/25 years old.

For skin, a lot of sunscreen fps70, and good genetics. And I used isotretinoin 2 in my life

For hair, finasteride, minoxidil and led cap


I'll be adding next week: tretinoin 0,05%, mk677 and MSM
In a few months I should be adding epitalon also

 

[looksmidder]

1. Botox (most important and effective)
2. Retin A
3. Microneedling
4. Sunscreen
5. Collagen boosting injectables like Radiesse or Profilho filler

I use all of them and turned from 35 looking to 23. Just last week 2 girls guessed my age at 22/23 when in reality i am almost 29.

how do collagen boosting injectables work?

Quite sure evrery one has smile wrinkles when they smile, if you smile properly by with your eyes and cheeks?


My routine altho Im not an oldcel.

AM: Vit C + Mosturiser + SPF50
PM: Cleanser + Tret 0.05% + Mosturiser + Slugging.
Monthly: Micro-needling with hyaluronic acid.

Diet: Low Carb, no processed foods or sugars.
Supplements: Normal shit (Multi vit/mineral + Fish Oil).

iirc fish oil causes ageing

camel milk everyday bro

what does it do for anti ageing?

We all get older, there is no anti aging, it should be called "well aging". As a man, if you have a solid base, looksmax, and age well, you will mog your early 20's self in your early 30's. Prettyboys are exceptions because they rely on youthful looks. The Prettyboys who had the highest SMV in my school as teenagers are all now +-30 years old and are now at best around average in looks/SMV.

I turned 32 before 2 days, my date this evening is 22yo my date on thursday is 21yo. Both have public IG accounts with 1k and almost 3k followers, so they have more than enough choices. This thesis is a little unpopular around here, but it's just my experience (call it cope, i don't care):
If you're good looking in your 30s you will SMV-mog any guy in his early 20s into the ground. You can (not must!!) look better, have more money, more life experience and are all in all more of a man. Men in their early 20s often seem very insecure and not really masculine yet, they have not a fixed identity.

Now my "well aging" routine (other looksmaxes not included):

Skincare AM:
Wash Face
Vitamin C serum
Sunscreen

Skincare PM:
Wash Face
Tretinoin
Moisturizer

Supplements/Meds (not all is well aging):
1mg Finasteride 3 times per week
500mg-1000mg Berberine before carb meals daily
1000mg Vitamin C daily
Ashwagandha daily
Fishoil daily
Multivitamin daily
D3K2 daily (less in summer)
Beta coritne, or licpoine, or astaxanthin daily. I'm not sure yet what to take from it permanently, keep changing when a can is empty
Peruvian Maca daily

Injections:
I will be getting botox for the second time soon, to avoid crow's feet on the eyes. My forehead is still smooth af.

what do berberine and peruvian maca do?

Currently red/infrared light exposure, pregnenolone and methylene blue, as the Peat cultists suggest.

what is pregnenolone and methylene blue?

Avoid long periods of sun radiation exposure.

Microneedle scalp every 2 weeks once hair is thinning and face a few times a year.

Biggest things once you are in 30s:

Daily rotation of Niacin or Niacinamide each one every other day.

Bloodletting for collagen/skin rejuvenation.

Plasma replacement for resetting blood signaling proteins to a more youthful level.

what is the difference between niacin and niacinimide, and why do you rotate them?

also are you sure about blood letting? i’ve never heard that before

I'm in my 30s and don't have wrinkles, only a faint nasolabial fold in certain bad lighting. I tan weekly (never burning) and don't use sunscreen. Best way to avoid ageing is caloric restriction, fasting, avoiding modern carbs, getting enough animal foods, lots of sleep, I use retinol serum daily before bed, moisturise in the morning, vaseline on my lips before bed. It's a good idea to train yourself to sleep on your back too. No drugs or steroids obviously. All the retinol/tret topicals are essentially derived from animal vitamin A, if you eat enough of it and get enough complete aminos for collagen synthesis then you don't really need the topicals.

But honestly it's 90% diet, if you can't understand that after all the horror stories about vegan ageing then you'll never figure it out.

what does caloric restriction do for anti ageing?

Yep vegan diets are trash but males do need to check iron levels at 30+ as high iron can prematurely age you. A cheap ferritin test will show those levels but the reference range is way too high and ferritin should be kept a little under a 100.

how does iron age you? and is there any way to keep it down because i know meat has a lot of iron

Gluten free cause it damages digestion and hurts absorption of nutrients

No oils. They are rancid and free radical damage

No nitrates. Same reason

No well done meat or fried food. Same reason

is carnivore diet gluten free already?

also what foods are nitrates in

Are you megadosing collagen peptides? I thought I saw your post in that thread but maybe I'm wrong

how much is a megadose? it’s either 15g or 20g but i’m not sure

 

[looksmidder]

Retin A
Sunscreen
Copper peptides
pdrn
Limiting sunlight
A full gut health protocol

what is pdrn? and what is your gut health protocol

 

[looksmidder]

I'm 31 and girls think me as 24/25 years old.

For skin, a lot of sunscreen fps70, and good genetics. And I used isotretinoin 2 in my life

For hair, finasteride, minoxidil and led cap


I'll be adding next week: tretinoin 0,05%, mk677 and MSM
In a few months I should be adding epitalon also

is there a difference between led caps and regular red light therapy

 

[Lawton88]

how do collagen boosting injectables work?

iirc fish oil causes ageing

what does it do for anti ageing?

what do berberine and peruvian maca do?

what is pregnenolone and methylene blue?

what is the difference between niacin and niacinimide, and why do you rotate them?

also are you sure about blood letting? i’ve never heard that before

what does caloric restriction do for anti ageing?

how does iron age you? and is there any way to keep it down because i know meat has a lot of iron

is carnivore diet gluten free already?

also what foods are nitrates in

how much is a megadose? it’s either 15g or 20g but i’m not sure

Study Suggests Withdrawing Blood Reverses Skin Aging

Blood draining increases proteins responsible for skin firmness, decreases inflammation, and reduces senescent (aged) skin cells in mice.

www.nmn.com

Bloodletting does a lot when getting older. Niacin and niacinamide use different pathways to raise NAD+. Never use slow release Niacin from drug store as its bad for liver. Always get standard Niacin that gives a flush effect.

 

[longjohnmong]

sleep 14 hours a day, preferably during daylight hours so your skin is never exposed to sunlight

 

[Corleone]

sleep 14 hours a day, preferably during daylight hours so your skin is never exposed to sunlight

i know white people that tanned themselves into potatoes each year and still looked younger than my parents that avoided the sun their entire life.

 

[gribsufer1]

1. Botox (most important and effective)
2. Retin A
3. Microneedling
4. Sunscreen
5. Collagen boosting injectables like Radiesse or Profilho filler

I use all of them and turned from 35 looking to 23. Just last week 2 girls guessed my age at 22/23 when in reality i am almost 29.

the mowt important and effective mwthod tobprevemt aging is to avoid pufa

 

[looksseg]

is there a difference between led caps and regular red light therapy

Red light therapy is for skin, led cap is for hair

 

[pumpeduppecs]

Sleep is huge for anti aging sleep as much as you need (everybody requires different amounts of sleep but if you have to pry yourself out of bed every morning your not getting enough
Healthy diet is also huge
Don’t abuse alcohol or drugs rx drugs included
Also if you can help it don’t be white