Easy way to bias mandibular counter clockwise rotation of existing growth

[Noesis]

I recently stumbled upon the MAD appliance (mandibular advancement device). This is also sold as a sleep apnea mouth guard for very cheap:

Worn during sleep the appliance locks the mandible forward keeping the condyle away from seated position and forcing it to take vertical load which increases ramus height.

The posterior bite height sends force through the molars and premolars promoting vertical growth at the back of the jaw.

Because the back grows upward more than the front, the mandibular body rotates counter clockwise, pushing the chin up and forward.

Can be found as cheap as 5$ on Ali express

 

[tomacōck]

Repped

 

[Ray0n]

holy shit, mirin thread

 

[Deleted member 281211]

im retarted elaborate

 

[Noesis]

im retarted elaborate

Holds jaw forward, pressure on back teeth for ramus to grow. The forward force guides the mandible to ccw

 

[Deleted member 281211]

Holds jaw forward, pressure on back teeth for ramus to grow. The forward force guides the mandible to ccw

thank you for helping fellow grey retard

 

[Noesis]

thank you for helping fellow grey retard

Who's grey my nigga

 

[Deleted member 281211]

Who's grey my nigga

i am

 

[Deleted member 281211]

Who's grey my nigga

i meant to say your fellow grey mb bro

 

[AryanSchizo]

yo

 

[Noesis]

yo

Yo

 

[browncurrycel]

This is nonsense.

Clenching your teeth and holding your jaws in a set place for a night is not going to result in ANY skeletal bone growth.

If anything you will end up with dental changes which will be undesirable anyway. Sounds like a tmj nightmare as well.

Also there is ZERO bone growth after your plates are fused. I thought we knew this with all the mewing debunking.

 

[Noesis]

This is nonsense.

Clenching your teeth and holding your jaws in a set place for a night is not going to result in ANY skeletal bone growth.

If anything you will end up with dental changes which will be undesirable anyway. Sounds like a tmj nightmare as well.

Also there is ZERO bone growth after your plates are fused. I thought we knew this with all the mewing debunking.

What the fuck are you talking about, this is not theoretical it's a cheap alternative to a twin block and I think I made it clear in the title when I said "of existing growth". The mandible grows till 20 on average in men btw it's not a long bone with a growth plate.

You just don't understand orthodontics

 

[browncurrycel]

What the fuck are you talking about, this is not theoretical it's a cheap alternative to a twin block and I think I made it clear in the title when I said "of existing growth". The mandible grows till 20 on average in men btw it's not a long bone with a growth plate.

You just don't understand orthodontics

I'll start mewing as well bro

 

[Noesis]

I'll start mewing as well bro

Hardstuck miserable Ltn ethnic calling everything cope because he couldn't improve his looks therefore nothing can

 

[browncurrycel]

Hardstuck miserable Ltn ethnic calling everything cope because he couldn't improve his looks therefore nothing can

Zero factual arguments
Not surprised.

 

[Noesis]

Zero factual arguments
Not surprised.

I provided my arguements in the thread yours was " clenching your teeth and holding your jaw forward won't grow bone" meanwhile appliances like herbst are used for this exact reason in orthodontics

 

[browncurrycel]

I provided my arguements in the thread yours was " clenching your teeth and holding your jaw forward won't grow bone" meanwhile appliances like herbst are used for this exact reason in orthodontics

You must be actually retarded. Impressive.

Herbst is mostly used in growing teens. And even then, the results are MOSTLY dental. Any bone remodeling needs can only take place of he is in the right age.

If your 5$ appliance or Herbst was to cause ANY skeletal CCW rotation in adults, jaw surgeries wouldn't be a thing.

 

[Noesis]

You must be actually retarded. Impressive.

Herbst is mostly used in growing teens. And even then, the results are MOSTLY dental. Any bone remodeling needs can only take place of he is in the right age.

If your 5$ appliance or Herbst was to cause ANY skeletal CCW rotation in adults, jaw surgeries wouldn't be a thing.

A herbst can work as long as the jaw still grows, the bone is just more resistant so results are diminished but still there. And no the results in teens aren't mostly dental dumbass.

I'm also not saying this shit will give you 15°-25° ccw like surgery does but it can give you 5°. Stop wasting my time if you have no clue how it works and go on with your LTN life

 

[browncurrycel]

A herbst can work as long as the jaw still grows, the bone is just more resistant so results are diminished but still there. And no the results in teens aren't mostly dental dumbass.

I'm also not saying this shit will give you 15°-25° ccw like surgery does but it can give you 5°. Stop wasting my time if you have no clue how it works and go on with your LTN life

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/23/6995?utm_source=chatgpt.com

“No differences in maxilla, condyle, glenoid fossa, and most mandibular changes were found… Herbst moved the lower molars more mesially.”


Study linked proving that MOST changes using a HERBST appliance are dental.

Jfl bro thought you get more skeletal changes in your jaw using a metal appliance that is anchored primarily to your teeth

You must be dropped on your head as a kid? Developmental flaw. Happens.

15°-25° ccw like surgery does but it can give you 5°.

Nigga thinks you get a 15-25% change with most jaw surgeries

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding stuff? Or are you just uneducated on the topic?

A 5% change in CCW rotation will make a MASSIVE change in how your gonial angle is perceived.

This shit doesnt work like a math problem where you just rotate your jaw by a cool looking large number and think you will look good.

 

[ssxjdgh]

This is snake oil but for the jaw

 

[Noesis]

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/23/6995?utm_source=chatgpt.com

“No differences in maxilla, condyle, glenoid fossa, and most mandibular changes were found… Herbst moved the lower molars more mesially.”


Study linked proving that MOST changes using a HERBST appliance are dental.

Jfl bro thought you get more skeletal changes in your jaw using a metal appliance that is anchored primarily to your teeth

You must be dropped on your head as a kid? Developmental flaw. Happens.






Nigga thinks you get a 15-25% change with most jaw surgeries

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding stuff? Or are you just uneducated on the topic?

A 5% change in CCW rotation will make a MASSIVE change in how your gonial angle is perceived.

This shit doesnt work like a math problem where you just rotate your jaw by a cool looking large number and think you will look good.

Ay bro I think you forgot to edit something out

and this is proof you didn't even read the whole case study

"most mandibular changes were found between Herbst and Class II elastics; except for a greater 1.5 mm increase in mandibular length and right mandibular ramus height (1.6 mm) with Herbst."

3mm mandibular skeletal growth

"Apart from an additional mandibular length increase; no other dental and anteroposterior skeletal difference was found"

How the fuck is this mostly dental when the results were +3mm skeletal growth and just closing the dental gap between molars

 

[Dio Brando]

Ay bro I think you forgot to edit something out

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and this is proof you didn't even read the whole case study

"most mandibular changes were found between Herbst and Class II elastics; except for a greater 1.5 mm increase in mandibular length and right mandibular ramus height (1.6 mm) with Herbst."

3mm mandibular skeletal growth

"Apart from an additional mandibular length increase; no other dental and anteroposterior skeletal difference was found"

How the fuck is this mostly dental when the results were +3mm skeletal growth and just closing the dental gap between molars

I got a fucked over/deepbite would this worsen it by any chance

 

[king naxxer]

Ay bro I think you forgot to edit something out

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and this is proof you didn't even read the whole case study

"most mandibular changes were found between Herbst and Class II elastics; except for a greater 1.5 mm increase in mandibular length and right mandibular ramus height (1.6 mm) with Herbst."

3mm mandibular skeletal growth

"Apart from an additional mandibular length increase; no other dental and anteroposterior skeletal difference was found"

How the fuck is this mostly dental when the results were +3mm skeletal growth and just closing the dental gap between molars

caught him out lol still good effort ig

 

[king naxxer]

A herbst can work as long as the jaw still grows, the bone is just more resistant so results are diminished but still there. And no the results in teens aren't mostly dental dumbass.

I'm also not saying this shit will give you 15°-25° ccw like surgery does but it can give you 5°. Stop wasting my time if you have no clue how it works and go on with your LTN life

he could be right

 

[Noesis]

I got a fucked over/deepbite would this worsen it by any chance

I have a deep bite myself this would promote a posterior open bite. I'll put braces anyways

 

[king naxxer]

I have a deep bite myself this would promote a posterior open bite. I'll put braces anyways

i have 1 question if you got braces before should you use it?

 

[king naxxer]

i have 1 question if you got braces before should you use it?

nvm i got it

 

[Dio Brando]

I have a deep bite myself this would promote a posterior open bite. I'll put braces anyways

Good to know I still look decent with my deepbite but still gonna invest you got any links?
Only €10 or less so doesn’t even matter if it doesn’t work
I was also skeptical but after you caught that guy out willing to try it

 

[Noesis]

i have 1 question if you got braces before should you use it?

The bite might adjust itself or leave you with a slight open bite

 

[Noesis]

Good to know I still look decent with my deepbite but still gonna invest you got any links?
Only €10 or less so doesn’t even matter if it doesn’t work
I was also skeptical but after you caught that guy out willing to try it

I bought this https://a.aliexpress.com/_EQKBuLa but there are higher quality MAD appliances if you're willing to pay more

 

[Dio Brando]

I bought this https://a.aliexpress.com/_EQKBuLa but there are higher quality MAD appliances if you're willing to pay more

I’ll invest in that first see if it doesn’t anything since it’s so cheap worth a shot.
I’ll be back in 3 months

 

[jeoyw9192]

I bought this https://a.aliexpress.com/_EQKBuLa but there are higher quality MAD appliances if you're willing to pay more

unrelated but hows ur ascension going, have u locally injected anything yet

 

[browncurrycel]

Ay bro I think you forgot to edit something out

View attachment 4463037
and this is proof you didn't even read the whole case study

"most mandibular changes were found between Herbst and Class II elastics; except for a greater 1.5 mm increase in mandibular length and right mandibular ramus height (1.6 mm) with Herbst."

3mm mandibular skeletal growth

"Apart from an additional mandibular length increase; no other dental and anteroposterior skeletal difference was found"

How the fuck is this mostly dental when the results were +3mm skeletal growth and just closing the dental gap between molars

What an iqlet retard.

Do you think I'm going to search up a study when I can just use chatgpt for it? Of course I am going to.

And you never addressed my main argument. Which is that skeletal growth only happens for GROWING kids. Your 19 year old ass is NEVER going to get anything significant out of this shitty 5$ you shipped from the slums of Shanghai.


The overall total mandibular length changes were 2.22 mm (1.63 to 2.82) for pubertal subjects … whereas for post-pubertal patients it was 0.44 mm (−0.78 to 1.66), indicating a significantly greater effect in pubertal patients compared to post-pubertal ones

Treatment effects of fixed functional appliances alone or in combination with multibracket appliances: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PMC

To assess skeletal and dentoalveolar effects of fixed functional appliances, alone or in combination with multibracket appliances (comprehensive treatment), on Class II malocclusion in pubertal and postpubertal patients. Literature survey was ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is another study, AGAIN SOURCED USING GPT. Cry about it.

Good looking getting 3mm using this appliance lil bro

Surgery is for retards actually. How dumb must people be to get surgery to fix their dental flaws man. Just spend 5$ and get 3mm advancement and a 5% CW rotation. It's all so simple.

 

[Noesis]

What an iqlet retard.

Do you think I'm going to search up a study when I can just use chatgpt for it? Of course I am going to.

And you never addressed my main argument. Which is that skeletal growth only happens for GROWING kids. Your 19 year old ass is NEVER going to get anything significant out of this shitty 5$ you shipped from the slums of Shanghai.


The overall total mandibular length changes were 2.22 mm (1.63 to 2.82) for pubertal subjects … whereas for post-pubertal patients it was 0.44 mm (−0.78 to 1.66), indicating a significantly greater effect in pubertal patients compared to post-pubertal ones

Treatment effects of fixed functional appliances alone or in combination with multibracket appliances: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PMC

To assess skeletal and dentoalveolar effects of fixed functional appliances, alone or in combination with multibracket appliances (comprehensive treatment), on Class II malocclusion in pubertal and postpubertal patients. Literature survey was ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is another study, AGAIN SOURCED USING GPT. Cry about it.

Good looking getting 3mm using this appliance lil bro

Surgery is for retards actually. How dumb must people be to get surgery to fix their dental flaws man. Just spend 5$ and get 3mm advancement and a 5% CW rotation. It's all so simple.

Shut the fuck up

Growth Plate Closure INDEX - When Will Your Epiphyseal Plates Close? (With Sources) GTFIH

Growth Plate Closure Index I have seen a lot of conflicting information regarding this subject so I decided to set this shit straight nigga haha :soy:, sources at end Frame and Wingspan Bones Height and Stature Bones Craniofacial Bones...

looksmax.org

 

[browncurrycel]

Shut the fuck up

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Growth Plate Closure INDEX - When Will Your Epiphyseal Plates Close? (With Sources) GTFIH

Growth Plate Closure Index I have seen a lot of conflicting information regarding this subject so I decided to set this shit straight nigga haha :soy:, sources at end Frame and Wingspan Bones Height and Stature Bones Craniofacial Bones...

looksmax.org

Time to delete your account after this one bro

 

[jeoyw9192]

I bought this https://a.aliexpress.com/_EQKBuLa but there are higher quality MAD appliances if you're willing to pay more

any links to higher quality ones?

 

[Noesis]

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Time to delete your account after this one bro
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On average, I never specified age dumbass I said already existing growth I'm 18 with open hand epiphyseals

 

[Noesis]

any links to higher quality ones?

Search up Mandibular advancement device

 

[browncurrycel]

On average, I never specified age dumbass I said already existing growth I'm 18 with open hand epiphyseals

"I said it's on average bro"

"I'm 18 and I can ascend to chad with a 5$ appliance bro"

"5% CCW rotation broo"

"Ramus will increase bro ""

forcing it to take vertical load which increases ramus height

Genuinely what were you thinking when you typed this?

It's fine man, just buy it and you can ascend to chad while all the other losers cope with paying a lot of money for jaw surgeries like retards

 

[clashroyaleking]

I recently stumbled upon the MAD appliance (mandibular advancement device). This is also sold as a sleep apnea mouth guard for very cheap:

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Worn during sleep the appliance locks the mandible forward keeping the condyle away from seated position and forcing it to take vertical load which increases ramus height.

The posterior bite height sends force through the molars and premolars promoting vertical growth at the back of the jaw.

Because the back grows upward more than the front, the mandibular body rotates counter clockwise, pushing the chin up and forward.

Can be found as cheap as 5$ on Ali express

Sorry if this is a dumb comment but would this just give you and underbite? Idk if im reading this correct but ur saying the upper jaw doesnt follow with it? Could this only work if you already have overbite? Am i tripping?

 

[clashroyaleking]

"I said it's on average bro"

"I'm 18 and I can ascend to chad with a 5$ appliance bro"

"5% CCW rotation broo"

"Ramus will increase bro ""

Genuinely what were you thinking when you typed this?

It's fine man, just buy it and you can ascend to chad while all the other losers cope with paying a lot of money for jaw surgeries like retards

ltn saying everything is cope and hating on everyone instead of atleast TRYING to ascend. No life

 

[browncurrycel]

ltn saying everything is cope and hating on everyone instead of atleast TRYING to ascend. No life

Alt confirmed.

And I am not hating on OP. I couldn't care less about his existence. What i DO hate however is the fact that he is trying to sell you snakeoil cope in hopes of getting a "5% CCW rotation ".

Do you lack comprehension and understanding skills? Do you know how SIGNIFICANT a 5% CCW rotation is?? This dumbass is promising you that level of results by paying for a 5$ product from china.

I don't even know if this thing is going to be custom made for you. Idk about that so I won't comment. But if it isn't, . You must be one absolute retard to buy a standard product that doesn't fit your teeth measurements without getting a mould of your teeth done in the first place.


Also to you specifically @clashroyaleking nigger, why don't you try mewing, maasai jumps, raw milk, raw liver as well? You should ANYTHING to try to ascend even if it has NO evidence behind it right

 

[Noesis]

Sorry if this is a dumb comment but would this just give you and underbite? Idk if im reading this correct but ur saying the upper jaw doesnt follow with it? Could this only work if you already have overbite? Am i tripping?

Not really but it would push the bottom teeth slightly forward

 

[Dio Brando]

ltn saying everything is cope and hating on everyone instead of atleast TRYING to ascend. No life

Exactly, they all have good points that it won’t or couldn’t work but could be someone younger that would benefit.
Even if it doesn’t work €4 is not going to have any impact on your life whatsoever

 

[FramecelSlayer]

I recently stumbled upon the MAD appliance (mandibular advancement device). This is also sold as a sleep apnea mouth guard for very cheap:

View attachment 4462549 View attachment 4462555

Worn during sleep the appliance locks the mandible forward keeping the condyle away from seated position and forcing it to take vertical load which increases ramus height.

The posterior bite height sends force through the molars and premolars promoting vertical growth at the back of the jaw.

Because the back grows upward more than the front, the mandibular body rotates counter clockwise, pushing the chin up and forward.

Can be found as cheap as 5$ on Ali express

Should this be worn in a jutted position?

 

[Noesis]

Should this be worn in a jutted position?

The appliance already does that yes

 

[jeoyw9192]

The appliance already does that yes

any updates?

 

[Noesis]

any updates?

Just started wearing, might switch this to a 3d printed twin block

 

[susisesi]

mine arrived today, will document it.