[EDUCATIONAL] If you do not looksmax, if you use PUA tactics, if you associate with liberal women, you WILL be accused of rape.

[Mako]

I'm not around women who aren't my family so none of this shit applies to me who is invisible to women

 

[Corleone]

good thread, did read every word of it. and I feel sorry for what you had to go through.

But I think the only really important point to take away from it is to never associate yourself or try to get close with hyper feminist women.

As you said, even the accusation ruined your social standing.

All the methods you listed, jester-maxing, beta-buxxing, stopping all PUA techniques like lightly touching a girl, do not really matter.

You could follow all the oofy-doofy cuck behavior you described, get explicit consent before touching her anywhere and before every stroke, and she could still accuse you of rape afterward because she regrets it.

Hell, you don't even had to have consensually touched her, or slept with her. She could still make up accusations if you've been alone with her once. accusations that you can not disprove, as nothing of the likes happened. you can not prove a negative.

sexual could be touching a woman on the shoulder unconsentually

I touch everyone’s shoulder. guys, gays, girls...

You can tell my the classic lesbian/feminist haircut, her weight, and her talking points

caged.

This is how kino works: You begin flirting with a woman, and touching her in low risk zones, like her shoulder, or arm, and slowly escalate to higher risk zones like her lower back, or hips. You then escalate to kissing her, and feeling her up, and sex, once you have isolated her. This is meant to be a slow escalation to slowly turn the woman on.

kino is legit for escalation. got to be socially aware enough to get the vibe though.

asking like an insecure cuck "do you consent to me touching you here ?" "can I undress your shirt ?" "may I enter you with consent ?" will kill any sexual passion in a heart beat and gonna make sex boring and dull.

This is why LTRs mog slaying as well. Better to have one girl who enthusiastically wants to fuck you consistently

you're gonna have a rude awakening if you think that is how LTRs go.

 

[whiteissuperior]

In college. Not random bars like the video you linked of some pua guy talking about tips to break LMR and do kino.

This applies to 90% of liberal social circles, like work, or even friend groups as well. Not just college. Jfl it you think a woman at your job can’t ruin your reputation as well

I should have added this on the thread, but you are much less likely to get in trouble if the woman has no social ties to you. That’s why it’s better to only fw women you have no social ties to, which is what I do now

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Read all of it

 

[fogdart]

Read every word. The rape/sexual assault accusations pill is brutal I know a tyrone who got accused of rape for coercing a drunk girl to fuck and other women came forward with the same story. I know it's hard to prosecute such cases but the reputation damage and emotional trauma on the accused and victims are permanent.

@Blackgymmax my irl tyrone got accused and arrested for rape so he had to delete all his social media lol.

 

[Blackgymmax]

Read every word. The rape/sexual assault accusations pill is brutal I know a tyrone who got accused of rape for coercing a drunk girl to fuck and other women came forward with the same story. I know it's hard to prosecute such cases but the reputation damage and emotional trauma on the accused and victims are permanent.

@Blackgymmax my irl tyrone got accused and arrested for rape so he had to delete all his social media lol.

i had a friend too but he was basically mtn. brutal shit

 

[Deleted member 25339]

Tldr; Chad humble brags about being harassed by foids disguised as an essay about rape and harassment.

 

[fogdart]

i had a friend too but he was basically mtn. brutal shit

it's so fucking over. Not even tyrone can swerve rape accusations. I can't even tyronefish my irls pics cos he deleted his social media - the feminazis were commenting all over his page.

 

[Aypo129]

Dnrd i would rape and kill
@BrahminBoss

 

[whiteissuperior]

Read every word. The rape/sexual assault accusations pill is brutal I know a tyrone who got accused of rape for coercing a drunk girl to fuck and other women came forward with the same story. I know it's hard to prosecute such cases but the reputation damage and emotional trauma on the accused and victims are permanent.

@Blackgymmax my irl tyrone got accused and arrested for rape so he had to delete all his social media lol.

my biggest problem with this idea of "coercion" is it doesn't make any sense and we don't apply it to any other domain of reality besides women and sex.

If I am out at a party with my friend, he encourages me to drink, even though I don't feel like and let him pressure me, and then he keeps asking me to drive him home even after I give him excuses, and then I drive him home drunk and get a DUI, the police won't care that he pressured me to drink and drive. All that matters is I did it, and I have to suffer the consequences. Obviously a good friend wouldn't pressure me to get drunk and drive, but it doesn't matter. I will go to jail and he won't. And there won't be any sympathy if I try to say I was coerced. Society will call me a dumbass for listening to him and rightfully so. Same goes for anything else. If I get pressured to buy a house, tattoo, or car while drunk and I do it, I have to live with those consequences. I can't say the salesman or my friend coerced me. At the end of the day, it is my responsibility to say no, and if my friends are pressuring me, remove me from that situation. Now it is completely different if you THREATEN someone to have sex with you, but that's not what we are talking about.

Why is it so different for women and sex? WHy is it suddenly when it comes to alcohol and sex with a man only, women are absolved of their responsibility to say no? If they got a tattoo, house, or car, or drove, or did anything else while drunk, we'd tell them to suck it up and live with it, even if they were pressured. WHy is it any different for sex?

 

[fogdart]

my biggest problem with this idea of "coercion" is it doesn't make any sense and we don't apply it to any other domain of reality besides women and sex.

If I am out at a party with my friend, he encourages me to drink, even though I don't feel like and let him pressure me, and then he keeps asking me to drive him home even after I give him excuses, and then I drive him home drunk and get a DUI, the police won't care that he pressured me to drink and drive. All that matters is I did it, and I have to suffer the consequences. Obviously a good friend wouldn't pressure me to get drunk and drive, but it doesn't matter. I will go to jail and he won't. And there won't be any sympathy if I try to say I was coerced. Society will call me a dumbass for listening to him and rightfully so. Same goes for anything else. If I get pressured to buy a house, tattoo, or car while drunk and I do it, I have to live with those consequences. I can't say the salesman or my friend coerced me. At the end of the day, it is my responsibility to say no, and if my friends are pressuring me, remove me from that situation. Now it is completely different if you THREATEN someone to have sex with you, but that's not what we are talking about.

Why is it so different for women and sex? WHy is it suddenly when it comes to alcohol and sex with a man only, women are absolved of their responsibility to say no? If they got a tattoo, house, or car, or drove, or did anything else while drunk, we'd tell them to suck it up and live with it, even if they were pressured. WHy is it any different for sex?

When it comes to sex there's this assumption that men or the person in power (which is usually men) have the tendency to get violent or abuse their power when they get rejected. A female teacher who has sex with a minor is automatically guilty because of the power imbalance. Coercion is implied when there's a clear power imbalance such as man vs woman, teacher vs student, doctor vs patient etc. Coercion can also be used in signing prenups or contracts in general - Dr. Dre's ex wife accused Dr. Dre of coercing her to sign a prenup. Coercion is not really applied to other scenarios because it is harder to prove in court. For eg. if a man and woman get drunk and get a tattoo together, what would be the man's motive be for the coercion? For sex, it is easy the reason for coercion is sexual gratification, but for other scenarios you'll need a solid argument for that to fly in court.

 

[whiteissuperior]

When it comes to sex there's this assumption that men or the person in power (which is usually men) have the tendency to get violent or abuse their power when they get rejected. A female teacher who has sex with a minor is automatically guilty because of the power imbalance. Coercion is implied when there's a clear power imbalance such as man vs woman, teacher vs student, doctor vs patient etc. Coercion can also be used in signing prenups or contracts in general - Dr. Dre's ex wife accused Dr. Dre of coercing her to sign a prenup. Coercion is not really applied to other scenarios because it is harder to prove in court. For eg. if a man and woman get drunk and get a tattoo together, what would be the man's motive be for the coercion? For sex, it is easy the reason for coercion is sexual gratification, but for other scenarios you'll need a solid argument for that to fly in court.

Power imbalance is stupid imo. The only power a man has over a woman is physical, and 99% of men aren’t going to violently beat a woman for turning down sex. You could extend this argument to women too, in my case, I was coerced into admitting I did the sexual assault I was being falsely accused of, because of the threat, both implicit and explicit, that they were going to try to get me kicked out of school and other organizations. But no one would say I was coerced

Similarly, if you make a woman angry, she has the power to cancel you by default. If you piss off your wife, she had the power to take half your money. At least there are consequences for men using their “implicit power”. Most men are obviously not going to get violent for being rejected if for no other reason they’ll go to jail. However there is NO consequence for a woman using the power of her gender over a man. So isn’t the “power imbalance” skewed toward them? By this dumb logic, how are women not coercing men every second?

The assumption that the power imbalance is skewed towards a man or that men tend to get violent if they get rejected is outdated in the west. Have you ever even seen this happen?

“Hey shorty let me get your number!”
“Ew no creep”
Then he just beats the shit out of her

Maybe .1% of men do this but it isn’t normal

 

[AlexAP]

my biggest problem with this idea of "coercion" is it doesn't make any sense and we don't apply it to any other domain of reality besides women and sex.

If I am out at a party with my friend, he encourages me to drink, even though I don't feel like and let him pressure me, and then he keeps asking me to drive him home even after I give him excuses, and then I drive him home drunk and get a DUI, the police won't care that he pressured me to drink and drive. All that matters is I did it, and I have to suffer the consequences. Obviously a good friend wouldn't pressure me to get drunk and drive, but it doesn't matter. I will go to jail and he won't. And there won't be any sympathy if I try to say I was coerced. Society will call me a dumbass for listening to him and rightfully so. Same goes for anything else. If I get pressured to buy a house, tattoo, or car while drunk and I do it, I have to live with those consequences. I can't say the salesman or my friend coerced me. At the end of the day, it is my responsibility to say no, and if my friends are pressuring me, remove me from that situation. Now it is completely different if you THREATEN someone to have sex with you, but that's not what we are talking about.

Why is it so different for women and sex? WHy is it suddenly when it comes to alcohol and sex with a man only, women are absolved of their responsibility to say no? If they got a tattoo, house, or car, or drove, or did anything else while drunk, we'd tell them to suck it up and live with it, even if they were pressured. WHy is it any different for sex?

Tbf no court would think of counting drunk sex alone as rape. The accuser always says she/he was forced with violence or was unconscious and couldn't consent. Only exceptions are minors who "can't consent."

The problem is that it's hard to prove what happened, but drunk sex alone is never rape.

 

[whiteissuperior]

Tbf no court would think of counting drunk sex alone as rape. The accuser always says she/he was forced with violence or was unconscious and couldn't consent. Only exceptions are minors who "can't consent."

The problem is that it's hard to prove what happened, but drunk sex alone is never rape.

Idk bout that one, I’ve heard tons of stories where if a girl is drunk and had sex she said the next day the guy coerced her, even if she gave consent she said she was pressured just like the Andrew Callaghan case. They even warned us in high school about this

But jfl obviously if she’s drunk and passed out and you pick up her sleeping body and have sex with it you raped her

 

[fogdart]

Power imbalance is stupid imo. The only power a man has over a woman is physical, and 99% of men aren’t going to violently beat a woman for turning down sex. You could extend this argument to women too, in my case, I was coerced into admitting I did the sexual assault I was being falsely accused of, because of the threat, both implicit and explicit, that they were going to try to get me kicked out of school and other organizations. But no one would say I was coerced

Similarly, if you make a woman angry, she has the power to cancel you by default. If you piss off your wife, she had the power to take half your money. At least there are consequences for men using their “implicit power”. Most men are obviously not going to get violent for being rejected if for no other reason they’ll go to jail. However there is NO consequence for a woman using the power of her gender over a man. So isn’t the “power imbalance” skewed toward them? By this dumb logic, how are women not coercing men every second?

The assumption that the power imbalance is skewed towards a man or that men tend to get violent if they get rejected is outdated in the west. Have you ever even seen this happen?

“Hey shorty let me get your number!”
“Ew no creep”
Then he just beats the shit out of her

Maybe .1% of men do this but it isn’t normal

99% of the time men don't beat women to death when they reject men's advances, but that 1% or 0.1% of the time is enough for them to fear for their lives and give in to coercion. According to the law, "fearing for your life" is enough reason to give in to coercion or even applying excessive force - for eg. cops shoot black men are say they feared for the lives and go scot free or get a slap on the wrist for murder. The law will always be on the woman's side because women are the weaker gender, it doesn't make sense but yeah. Also, most sexual assault cases don't end in you going to jail or anything because it is extremely hard to prove in court without solid evidence, it's just the reputation and emotional damage that comes with it.

 

[whiteissuperior]

most sexual assault cases don't end in you going to jail or anything because it is extremely hard to prove in court without solid evidence, it's just the reputation and emotional damage that comes with it.

Water

99% of the time men don't beat women to death when they reject men's advances, but that 1% or 0.1% of the time is enough for them to fear for their lives and give in to coercion.

This line of reasoning doesn’t work anywhere else, for no other social group except men and women. People act like women just have to give into sex with every man who asks cuz of the .1% chance they’ll be beaten for it cuz they’re being coerced and we act like this is fair

However, if we change the situation to be between races, a big buff gay black man and a gay white twijk, the gay white man would be laughed at if he said “I had to give into the gay black men when he asked me for sex cuz blacks are more likely to be violent towards whites than vice versa, and he’s bigger and has power over me”. And rightfully so

 

[JovenCansao]

I love my third world country a bit more now

 

[fogdart]

This line of reasoning doesn’t work anywhere else, for no other social group except men and women. People act like women just have to give into sex with every man who asks cuz of the .1% chance they’ll be beaten for it cuz they’re being coerced and we act like this is fair

This line of reason is actually used in a lot of cases. 99.9% of the time people who get Covid will not die but they want all of us to get vax, 99% of the students go to school and don't get shot in America but there are protocols for school shooting, 99% of the time airplanes don't crash but seatbelts are mandatory on board etc.

However, if we change the situation to be between races, a big buff gay black man and a gay white twijk, the gay white man would be laughed at if he said “I had to give into the gay black men when he asked me for sex cuz blacks are more likely to be violent towards whites than vice versa, and he’s bigger and has power over me”. And rightfully so

Socially, the white gay twink may be laughed at but if he can prove it in court, he will win the case.

 

[Corleone]

This applies to 90% of liberal social circles, like work, or even friend groups as well. Not just college. Jfl it you think a woman at your job can’t ruin your reputation as well

I should have added this on the thread, but you are much less likely to get in trouble if the woman has no social ties to you. That’s why it’s better to only fw women you have no social ties to, which is what I do now

you do sniff out the crazy feminist bitches rather quickly tbh. just make sure to never fuck or spend time with crazies again.

 

[balding17yomanletcel]

damn dutasteride really ruined my attention span aintreadin allat

 

[maxeverything]

I’ve been reading more into this. Lol at this idiot. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. It’s hilarious when these human rights preaching virtue signaling liberal men get me tood, and accused of shit that’s worse than anything anyone on this forum will ever even do.

 

[Magical Apple]

As some users here know, @Biggdink @smvmaxxertilllate and many others, I have been falsely accused of sexual assault before.

Tldr, without doxxing myself, a woman I was friends with previously would frequently do things like take off her clothes in front of me, grind on me in public, encourage me to grab her boobs even after I said no, and things of that nature. This was before I experienced sex, so I didn't really understand what was going on and just kind of went with it. There was another night she made it very clear she wanted to have sex with me. As in she verbally said "I am very horny and I'm not going to stop you if you make a move on me". Note that this is after she told me verbally a week before "I would not have sex with you". I didn't get why she was told me either of those things, cuz in both situations, I was not trying to have sex with her or even touching her. But this will become important later. One night, I put my head on her boob (that's it, literally all I did), and months later, when she got mad at me for various reasons, she told everyone I sexually assaulted her, as in I snuck into her room and wouldn't stop groping her even after she tried to kick me out. This was, of course, a lie and an exaggeration, but it didn't matter. After this happened, I lost all my college clout, was tormented for months, became an outcast, became paranoid and depressed and non NT, and many more things I can't list on this forum.

Now what does my story have to do with you?

Simple. It's a cautionary tale against 3 things.

1) Hanging out with liberal, hyper-feminist women

2) Refusing to looksmax

3) Trying to rely on PUA techniques to attract women
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While I am only guilty of the first two in my situation, I have a perfect new case study who seems to have committed all three. His name is Andrew Callaghan.

Many of you might recognize him from successful Youtube channels, All Gas No Brakes, and Channel 5 News, where he has done interviews with the likes of Yeat and Alex Jones.
And oh would you look at that? Andrew Callaghan, who is now even getting his own show on HBO, is now being accused of sexual assault?

Yes, I know this video is 15 minutes long and most of you have Tiktok attention span, so your brother whiteissuperior will break it down for you. First, let's go over the accusations.​

The video starts with a woman coming forward and saying Andrew SEXUALLY ASSAULTED her. I am not one of those people who doesn't believe women really get assaulted, but if the recent Rex Orange County accusations have taught as anything, when someone uses the term "sexual assault" instead of just listing what the person actually did, (as in saying rape, grope, molested), they are often being disingenuous.
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As you can see from this screenshot from " Rex's instagram page, he was charged with 6 counts of sexual assault for touching a woman's leg, butt, neck and arm. When women say, "he sexually assaulted me", it is often the first sign of disingenuousness, because it is such an umbrella term that encompasses everything from kidnapping, beating, and forcibly raping someone to touching a woman on the shoulder unconsentually. If he did something as bad as rape, they would say, "he raped me", or "he inserted himself into me without consent".

So back to Andrew Callaghan, the woman in the video accused him of "sexual assault". Then in her next video about him, she made it very clear that she eventually gave consent, but only because he pressured her, and she kept giving excuses, like she was tired, and she had work in the morning, and he kept pushing and pushing until she gave in. She admitted she eventually gave consent, because she felt pressured, but she also admits that no penetrative sex occurred. So what is she even accusing him of doing at this point, if they didnt' even have intercourse and she didn't even give him head? No one actually knows, she refuses to tell because we should #believewomen. In her own words, "Yes I have receipts and evidence but you shouldn't need that and a woman coming forward and telling her story should be enough for you". Jfl you can't make this stuff up. She then proceeds to post her "receipts", and it's just proof they hung out in general, in fact the receipts show her asking him to hang out. So this story obviously seems to be either bs or something minor like "he touched her butt after a date". However, that did not stop more women from "coming forward" about his predatory ways after seeing the Tiktok about him.

Women sent their "stories" of him, and all of it was the same thing. Different variations of "he asked to have sex with me and kept asking after I said no". "He tried to get me drunk and kept asking to fuck me", "he wouldn't leave the room and kept inviting me to his house after I said no" things of this nature. Basically him being pushy for sex. Now that we understand the accusations, let's go into our breakdown.

Never hang out with hyper liberal women

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The above picture is a picture of the woman who first came forward accusing Callaghan. If you couldn't already tell by her actions, she is very obviously the classical hyper liberal, hyper feminist woman. You can tell my the classic lesbian/feminist haircut, her weight, and her talking points.

The thing about hyper feminist women is they've bought into a narrative that the western world has a problem with rape culture, most women have been sexually assaulted, and women don't lie about sexual assault EVER. Additionally, they operate in a space where the biggest victim gets the most clout, so subconsciously in their world, the more traumatically a woman has been raped or abused by men, the better a feminist she is. This trauma porn is what drives so much of the modern feminist woman.

This is why they have phrases like "believe all women" and "1/4 women is raped!". This mindset causes these types of women to be hyper vigilant of men at all times, and they are constantly on the lookout for men to behave inappropriately in any way towards women. If they can expose an abuser or sexual predator, especially if it is someone who abused them, in their conscious mind, they just stopped an abuser, and in their subconscious mind, they have earned SJW/feminist points.

To understand this better, lets go through some example of how a normal woman interprets men hitting on her versus a hyper liberal woman.

A man buys you a few drinks on a date
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Normal woman: "Oh how sweet, he's buying me a few drinks. That doesn't mean I'll fuck him"
Hyper feminist: "He is trying to get me drunk so I am vulnerable and he can rape me later"

A guy had too much liquor and crudely touches her butt a party
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Normal woman: "Oh god what a creep, I'm going to move his hand away and leave"
Hyper feminist: "This guy just groped me which is sexual assault. He's clearly trying to rape me, I need to come forward, tell my story, and cancel him on social media"

A man asks you for sex, you say no. An hour later he asked again, and you have sex
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Normal woman: "He convinced me to fuck him, I regret it a bit, but next time I'll be more careful"
Hyper feminist: "He just coerced me by taking advantage of his male privilege and power over me. He knew I'd be too scared to say no so he asked me more than once. He wore me down which is coercion which is rape. Now I'm going to be traumatized for life. I was raped, and now I must come forward to make sure he never abuses anyone else" (what's funny is this is roughly an actual situation that happened to someone I know, not me, so I'm not even exaggerating. The full story actually sounds more contrived)

As you can see, this is actually how most hyper feminists in the west view the world and men. The woman who accused me was like this. Always going on about how poorly men treated women, and how the world was so unfair to women. That is why if you ever run across a woman who is hyper feminist I recommend you run the other away and don't even interact with her. Most working class women do not act like this. To a hyper feminist, if a woman had "no hookups" in her tinder bio but then she hooks up with Chad, she was raped because she said no on tinder.

However, if you are like me and attend a liberal elite university, or another environment dominated by hyper feminists, you will be forced to interact with them. I recommend you keep interactions with them friendly, and non controversial. If you enter a sexual relationship with a hyper feminist, (I strongly advise against it), then make sure she initiates the sex and do not try to initiate yourself.

"B-but, whiteissuperior, Im not Chad, no woman is going to initiate sex with me!"

While that is true, I will explain in a later section.

In 2023, PUA techniques are RAPE

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PUA's think they can generate attraction where there is none with "game". In the black pill, we know that "game" cannot create attraction, only build on attraction that is already there. PUAs give dangerous advice to women to push past their "objections", like in the video I linked above, in order to convince a woman to have sex with you, when they already gave an excuse not to. This is a sample PUA interaction with a woman who is giving excuses not to have sex/hang out with you, straight from the John Anthony Lifestyle video linked above.

"Hey Stacy, why don't we leave the club take this back to my place"
"Omggg, John Anthony I can't, my friends are with me, and I can't leave them here"
"Well, that's fine, we'll leave and come right back"
"Omggg, John Anthony, I'd love to but I caaaaaaan't I have to wake up early"
"Well I have to wake up early too, I only wanna get one drink and go to bed"
"Well uhhh, ok John, I guess I can go for only one drink"

In this example, the PUA is clearly trying to get the foid back to his place to fuck her, and the foid is clearly coming up with excuses not to. She eventually caves in. Now, why would the woman say no then cave in? There could be a few reasons:

1. Woman are bad at saying no, cuz society + nature made them naturally more submissive. Many women are afraid to say no to men because they fear they will be in danger if they reject him too harshly, and so she will eventually cave in, out of fear. The whole time, she was uncomfortable and didn't really wanna do it, but she did it anyway, because not rocking the boat and hooking up with you to her is less scary than what she thinks would happen if she just says "no Im not interested in sex with you". This is especially bad if she is a hyper feminist, as she has been taught that men sometimes violently assault women if they tell them "I am not interested in sex with you".​
2. She was on the fence about having sex with you for the reasons she said, and you actually did just convince her​
3. She was playing hard to get/doing a shit test/giving obligatory objection to not seem like a slut. and she was planning on having sex with you the whole time anyway. (Yes, sometimes no doesn't mean no, water, liberals are gonna hate this one). ​

So how do you know which of these reasons a woman is giving you excuses to not come back to your place for?

It's simple, aside from subtle body language cues, you don't
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So if the woman is giving excuses for reason 1 I just listed, and she goes along with it, you are liable to be accused of rape.
I'm actually not even saying this is a good or bad thing. To be clear, I believe we should be cognizant of when a woman doesn't really wanna have sex with you, even if she agrees, and as men we should try to avoid it. Conversely, I also believe women should clearly say "no" if they don't wanna have sex. However, in this imperfect world, that does not always happen. I am not saying if a woman goes along with sex willingly when she didn't want to that you raped her, I don't believe that. However, I am also not saying it is a good thing, and I think a good citizen would want to try to avoid a situation like this, for both his own wellbeing, and the woman's. For one, these situations obviously harm the woman, and two, a hyper feminist woman will always view this as her getting RAPED. A normal woman will regret the sex afterwards and move on. A feminist will say that you coerced her by not heeding her excuses, and may accuse you of trying to rape her.

Another PUA technique, called "kino", is even worse for racking up allegations. Kino describes the process through which you escalate sex with a woman, and overcome her objections. I too, was once non NT and was paralyzed in fear, and didn't know how to initiate sex with a woman. I would have women in my bed and not even touch them, cuz I didn't know how to initiate. Then I discovered kino. This is how kino works: You begin flirting with a woman, and touching her in low risk zones, like her shoulder, or arm, and slowly escalate to higher risk zones like her lower back, or hips. You then escalate to kissing her, and feeling her up, and sex, once you have isolated her. This is meant to be a slow escalation to slowly turn the woman on. There is nothing wrong with this, but again, as we saw with Rex Orange County, touching the wrong woman even on her shoulder could lead to a sexual assault accusation. However, what is REALLY wrong with kino, is that if the girl rejects your advances, such as by moving your hand off her butt, then kino tells you to de-escalate and try to re-escalate again later, when you think she is more comfortable.

Now this is bad for the same reasons that trying overcome a woman's verbal excuses is bad. But this is even worse, because now you are actually touching her. So guess what? If you're lying in bed with a woman after a date, you're making out, and then you touch her butt, and she moves your hand away, then ten minutes later, after more making out, you touch her butt again, guess what you just did? You comitted sexual assault. Now obviously, most people wouldn't view this as sexual assault or even something bad. You were tryna fuck. But according to the hyper feminist woman, you just tried to coerce her by not responding to her non verbal cues and you assaulted her.

Now I have definitely performed kino techniques before, had sex with women using them, and I have never been accused of sexual assault for kino'ing a woman. (Again, it's funny how when I did get accused I wasn't even trying to fuck, more reason to stay away from hyper liberal woman). But after reflecting on my experiences and modern feminist culture, there is no WAY I'd try kino, at least not the part where you try to re-escalate after ten minutes because that could be perceived as negatively, and make some women uncomfortable. Yes some women just need time to warm up, but others will just go along with things they don't like for reasons aforementioned. You can't tell the difference so don't even try once she has given the slightest indication or excuse. If a woman at any point gives the slightest, excuse or slight indication she doesn't want to have sex with you, don't even try to kiss her, even if it's just a look in her eye, even if it's just a shit test or obligatory objection to not seem like a slut. Not because you are raping a woman for trying to kiss her on a date, but because you are putting yourself and her at risk.

Let's go back to our case study, Andrew Callaghan. Many women "came forward" with their stories of him trying to assault them, and what were many of the stories? PUA techniques. Trying to break past a woman's excuses, trying to convince women to have sex with him, or woman regretting giving in after he asked them over and over again. If he hadn't used PUA techniques and just walked away at the first excuse, this wouldn't have happened to him.

You must looksmax
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Now, here is the biggest objection to what I'm saying. There are three kinds of girls. Girls with high interest, low interest, and no interest, (shout out @tyronelite ). High interest girls already like you and wanna fuck you, all you gotta do is link. Low interest girls could be convinced to be into you, if they like your personality, charisma, job ...etc after you hang out with them a few times, but they're on the fence about you. And girls with no interest (the vast majority of girls for sub chad), want nothing to do with you.

If you are sub chadlite, THE VAST MAJORITY OF WOMEN WILL HAVE NO OR LOW INTEREST IN YOU. This means to fuck them, you will have to try to convince them to have sex with you or date you. But I just wrote a whole thread about not trying to convince girls to fuck you in any way cuz it could be perceived as rape. So how is the normie man supposed to get sex then? By betabuxxing and jestermaxxing. That's it. You see, normies who try to live a Chad life style, slaying women, having casual sex frequently, ...etc are trying to cheat the system. Sex is a value exchange. For Chad, his sex alone is equivalent to a woman's sex alone, so therefore that's all he needs. For a celebrity, his status alone is enough for a woman's sex, so that's all he needs. However, if a woman does not see you as Chad or high status, then you will need to provide her with something in order to gain access to her sexually, whether it be time, money, jestering, or emotional resources. PUAs try to essentially convince women to give them sex in an unequal value exchange. Therefore when a man convinces a low interest girl to have sex with him before enough value has been exchanged, the woman feels cheated and used (like a whore), and she either regrets the sex, or believes she was raped, if she is a hyper feminist.

Therefore, if you have to convince a woman to fuck you in the first place, just get back to betabuxxing and jestermaxxing til she doesn't need to be convinced. But no one wants to be a betabuxxer or an oofy doofy jester, right? I agree, so get to looksmaxxing. It's the only way. This is why LTRs mog slaying as well. Better to have one girl who enthusiastically wants to fuck you consistently than a rotation of three girls you have to try to convince to fuck you. If you're not Chad, which most of us will never be, you should be trying to find a high interest girl around your looks level to fuck consistenly, not try to slay. Trying to slay with sub 7/10 SMV is a disaster waiting to happen, even for Chad, albeit to a much lower degree. The only way you'll find a high interest woman who is also reasonable looking without extrenuous effort is looksmaxing to at least a solid HTN and running numbers game.

Let us return to our example, Andrew Callaghan.

Of course women feel raped by having casual sex with a downward grown ginger. Of course they're afraid this guy tried to rape them cuz he bought them drinks. Now, let's revisit the scenarios from our section about hyper liberal woman, except instead of comparing how a feminist would react versus a non feminist, let's compare how the average woman would react to Andrew over here versus Tyler Maher (@forevergymcelling ).

A man buys you a few drinks on a date
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Maher: "Oh how sweet, he's buying me a few drinks. He's so sweet, he really cares about me"
Callaghan: "He is trying to get me drunk so I am vulnerable and he can rape me later, what a creep"

A guy had too much liquor and crudely touches her butt a party
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Maher: "OMG, he is flirting with me, I LOVE how bold he is"
Callaghan: "POLICE!!!! POLICE!!!!!"

A man asks you for sex, you say no. An hour later he asked again, and you have sex
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Maher: "OMG, Chad is so persistent, I love how he just goes after what he wants, teehee, he must like me"
Hyper feminist: "He just coerced me by taking advantage of his male privilege and power over me. He knew I'd be too scared to say no so he asked me more than once. He wore me down which is coercion which is rape. Now I'm going to be traumatized for life. I was raped, and now I must come forward to make sure he never abuses anyone else"

As I have demonstrated above, being a low value man who tries to live a high value lifestyle is only asking for trouble. Even when I was accused of sexual assault, I was an ugly lanklet. When I told someone she had made advances toward me, he didn't even believe me due to my subhumanity. And in the woman's own words, she accused me cuz she felt like I wasn't hanging out with her enough (not joking). As in my ugly self refused to give her what I owed for sexual attention I didn't even ask for.

To recap:
1) Trying to convince a woman to have sex with you is dangerous in 2023
2) Hyper liberal women view PUA techniques as rape
3) PUA techniques consist largely of trying to convince women to have sex with you
4) If you're sub 7/10, you will ALWAYS have to try to convince women to have sex with you
5) The only reasonable thing to do is to looksmax to a solid HTN so there is a sizable portion of women you dont need to convince to fuck, and you can choose a nice FWB/LTR from that cohort
6) Trying to live a life thats higher value than you is dangerous


I HOPE YOU ALL LEARNED SOMETHING

INB4 MUHHHH DNR WALL OF TEXT


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Avoid casual sex and if you have a female friends who doesn't get boundaries get rid of her asap.

 

[Deleted member 19036]

it was a big waste of time time to read this. +if you are a cucked soyboy its natural to get scared from a bitch + if you are an inkiee what could go wrong with your life. incels should do everything you said but ina opposite way cuz they got nun to lose.

 

[Deleted member 19036]

OP your way to neurotic.

It doesn't matter what a foid accuses of, it's what she CAN PROVE. Rape is almost impossible to prove without direct witness testimony, or a confession that you accidently make via text (ie "I'm so sorry for what happened last night").

No cop is going to arrest you, nevermind a jury prosecute you, for a he said she said situation without evidence.

If you don't leave any paper trail and don't literally admit to it, then it doesn't matter what she accuses you of. This is assuming you are outside of college where even an accusation can fuck your social status.

he is just a low t cuck

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Water
Also why would I want to fuck feminist bitches? They're usually hairy and fat

Not all of them are + they tend to be more promiscuous

 

[Deleted member 19036]

Not all of them are + they tend to be more promiscuous

this guy tryna save the lib pussy for himself dont listen to his stoopid ass

 

[Deleted member 17997]

OP I can sympathize with this a lot. Years ago I remember I offended this guy in my school then a few days later he accused me of attempting to commit a school shooting to get revenge or social clout. The police came to my house and I explained the situation to them and they understood. They wrote it off as a prank call. I told my parents about it but the more I explained it to them the bigger hole I dug. The guy who reported me got away with it, nothing happened to him. For me I had to deal with the fact that I was falsely accused of attempting to commit a crime and there was nothing I could do about it. I can't imagine being falsely accused of groping someone, that would be far worse. These are the main reasons I don't talk to people anymore unless I know them.

 

[Amexmaxx]

OP your way to neurotic.

It doesn't matter what a foid accuses of, it's what she CAN PROVE. Rape is almost impossible to prove without direct witness testimony, or a confession that you accidently make via text (ie "I'm so sorry for what happened last night").

No cop is going to arrest you, nevermind a jury prosecute you, for a he said she said situation without evidence.

If you don't leave any paper trail and don't literally admit to it, then it doesn't matter what she accuses you of. This is assuming you are outside of college where even an accusation can fuck your social status.

Have you not been paying attention to the tory lanez situation? They locked him up on inconclusive evIdence all bc a foid said he did. These courts are gynocentric and WILL believe the woman without evidence.

You sound right on the surface but this world is laughably unfair to men.

 

[Deleted member 19036]

Have you not been paying attention to the tory lanez situation? They locked him up on inconclusive evIdence all bc a foid said he did. These courts are gynocentric and WILL believe the woman without evidence.

You sound right on the surface but this world is laughably unfair to men.

brutal but he is famous. if he was a normal guy the court wouldn't act that cucked

 

[Amexmaxx]

brutal but he is famous. if he was a normal guy the court wouldn't act that cucked

 

[Deleted member 16369]

Read the whole thing, very good thread. I disagree with the looksmaxxing part though , the only legit looksmaxxes are weight loss and just don’t look like a homeless bum. Other then that it’s all genetic. St. Black Ops 2 cel was at his full potential.

 

[whiteissuperior]

Read the whole thing, very good thread. I disagree with the looksmaxxing part though , the only legit looksmaxxes are weight loss and just don’t look like a homeless bum. Other then that it’s all genetic. St. Black Ops 2 cel was at his full potential.

For a black pill forum, hard maxxiong and gym celling are underrated here. Bimax + jaw implant, a thicker next, a visit to taban, and general gym celling with injection for that frame would help him hard

 

[Deleted member 16369]

For a black pill forum, hard maxxiong and gym celling are underrated here. Bimax + jaw implant, a thicker next, a visit to taban, and general gym celling with injection for that frame would help him hard

Most people can’t afford surgery though and it’s a pretty big hassle. Even with a thicker neck a sub 5 is a sub 5

 

[whiteissuperior]

Most people can’t afford surgery though and it’s a pretty big hassle. Even with a thicker neck a sub 5 is a sub 5

with jaw implant + bimax + taban + gym, he couldd hit 5.5/10, would take 4 years and probably about 80k if u cant get bimax paid for by insurance, but its worth it if ur in u can ascend by 26 or 27

 

[hypernormie]

How do you know if you consented if you were drunk?

[TW: RAPE]

In December, I was out with friends from work. We got pretty drunk, going from bar to bar around the small town we live in, it was pretty fun. Honestly, the night is really foggy to remember, but please bare with me, I just want to try and understand what happened.

One of my colleagues, we'll call Joe, I had only briefly met before. I thought he was a bit of a know it all tbh. But he was there, and as the night went on, and we all got drunker, it did feel like he was interested in me, breaking the touch barrier, playfully teasing me, you know. Well I do what I always do in these situations and told him all about my boyfriend (temporarily long-distance) and how much he means to me. Its honestly such a blur, but it ended with just three of us left, me, Joe, and another guy from work we'll call Paul. Paul was so drunk. Like he wasn't really with us anymore. So we decided it was time to walk home. The three of us live very close to town and all a couple streets away from each other so it was no problem getting him home. I've been to Paul's before so I lead the way whilst Joe carried him. I really don't remember what happened next but we were in Paul's house and I was on the floor having a panic attack thinking "why did Paul choke me". I still haven't figured that out. I asked Paul but he doesn't remember and the only other person there was Joe.

Joe walks me home, as I am the next closest. I remember that. I don't remember how he got in my room. I don't remember how he got in my bed. And I certainly don't remember having sex. I do remember running to the toilet, calling my bf and crying to him about there being a man in my room. I think I blacked out, and when I came to, I didn't recognise Joe in the dark? I'm not sure.

My boyfriend calmed me down. He talked me though how to ask him to leave, and insisted I stayed on call so he could listen and contact my flatmate if anything went wrong. I got Joe to leave, he was really nice and apologetic about everything. My boyfriend was really understanding. He keeps telling me I was raped. I want to believe him, but I'm worried I consented when I was drunk and that I cheated. I know we had sex, I found a used condom in the morning.

Joe messaged me after but I couldn't reply. I couldn't sleep for the next week, knowing he'd been in my bed. I shut down. I didn't tell anyone. I still haven't told anyone but my bf and my mum. I'm just scared they're going to tell me I lead him on. I could've prevented it. I picked up that he was interested in me. I let him in my flat. I must have. I could've left early when everyone left. I could've drank less. I keep feeling like I wanted it to happen, and that me wanting it was me consenting.

Today he came into work. He wasn't on shift, he just came in to say hi. I felt physically sick when I saw him. After he left I had to go round back and cry. When I walked home from work I had a panic attack again. I'm sick of it. I'd gotten over it, I wasn't thinking about it, I was sleeping again, me and my bf were doing good again. And now I can't sleep, and I keep crying, and everything sucks.

And the worst part is is that I can't make him pay because I feel like it's my fault. So tell me, please, was it my fault? How do I move past this? I don't want this stupid know it all man to have any power over me. Thank you for reading.

 

[whiteissuperior]

How do you know if you consented if you were drunk?

[TW: RAPE]

In December, I was out with friends from work. We got pretty drunk, going from bar to bar around the small town we live in, it was pretty fun. Honestly, the night is really foggy to remember, but please bare with me, I just want to try and understand what happened.

One of my colleagues, we'll call Joe, I had only briefly met before. I thought he was a bit of a know it all tbh. But he was there, and as the night went on, and we all got drunker, it did feel like he was interested in me, breaking the touch barrier, playfully teasing me, you know. Well I do what I always do in these situations and told him all about my boyfriend (temporarily long-distance) and how much he means to me. Its honestly such a blur, but it ended with just three of us left, me, Joe, and another guy from work we'll call Paul. Paul was so drunk. Like he wasn't really with us anymore. So we decided it was time to walk home. The three of us live very close to town and all a couple streets away from each other so it was no problem getting him home. I've been to Paul's before so I lead the way whilst Joe carried him. I really don't remember what happened next but we were in Paul's house and I was on the floor having a panic attack thinking "why did Paul choke me". I still haven't figured that out. I asked Paul but he doesn't remember and the only other person there was Joe.

Joe walks me home, as I am the next closest. I remember that. I don't remember how he got in my room. I don't remember how he got in my bed. And I certainly don't remember having sex. I do remember running to the toilet, calling my bf and crying to him about there being a man in my room. I think I blacked out, and when I came to, I didn't recognise Joe in the dark? I'm not sure.

My boyfriend calmed me down. He talked me though how to ask him to leave, and insisted I stayed on call so he could listen and contact my flatmate if anything went wrong. I got Joe to leave, he was really nice and apologetic about everything. My boyfriend was really understanding. He keeps telling me I was raped. I want to believe him, but I'm worried I consented when I was drunk and that I cheated. I know we had sex, I found a used condom in the morning.

Joe messaged me after but I couldn't reply. I couldn't sleep for the next week, knowing he'd been in my bed. I shut down. I didn't tell anyone. I still haven't told anyone but my bf and my mum. I'm just scared they're going to tell me I lead him on. I could've prevented it. I picked up that he was interested in me. I let him in my flat. I must have. I could've left early when everyone left. I could've drank less. I keep feeling like I wanted it to happen, and that me wanting it was me consenting.

Today he came into work. He wasn't on shift, he just came in to say hi. I felt physically sick when I saw him. After he left I had to go round back and cry. When I walked home from work I had a panic attack again. I'm sick of it. I'd gotten over it, I wasn't thinking about it, I was sleeping again, me and my bf were doing good again. And now I can't sleep, and I keep crying, and everything sucks.

And the worst part is is that I can't make him pay because I feel like it's my fault. So tell me, please, was it my fault? How do I move past this? I don't want this stupid know it all man to have any power over me. Thank you for reading.

This is why mixing alcohol and women is a mistake

 

[tyronelite]

Explain

Like half of it is technically your fault & the other half is common sense.

In my experience I’ve never had a chick accuse me of anything despite being a normie & I always stay away from drunk / drugged chicks

 

[hypernormie]

This is why mixing alcohol and women is a mistake

sad when you compare how integral alchohol used to be to people’s sex lives. it still is but now you’re playing with fire…

 

[whiteissuperior]

Like half of it is technically your fault & the other half is common sense.

In my experience I’ve never had a chick accuse me of anything despite being a normie & I always stay away from drunk / drugged chicks

Sure some of it, if you get too drunk and start groping women it’s obviously bad. But how is the anti PUA shit common sense?

 

[tyronelite]

Sure some of it, if you get too drunk and start groping women it’s obviously bad. But how is the anti PUA shit common sense?

Anyone with a IQ over 80 should understand by now that PUA is a joke. But then again there’s a lot of dudes who are gullible & naive so I understand why added that

 

[whiteissuperior]

Anyone with a IQ over 80 should understand by now that PUA is a joke. But then again there’s a lot of dudes who are gullible & naive so I understand why added that

Average looksmax iq is 70

 

[Deleted member 7725]

this is why clout is cope. if u got no clout then this shit wont do anything.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Anyone with a IQ over 80 should understand by now that PUA is a joke. But then again there’s a lot of dudes who are gullible & naive so I understand why added that

its not a joke tho. pua is legit if ur smooth and not nervous aspie. literally mainstream but they call it rizz.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

PUA dosen't work though. It is a scam.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

a small amount of water but unless her hair is pink or she's over 25, it's not written on her face

The whole time, she was uncomfortable and didn't really wanna do it, but she did it anyway, because not rocking the boat and hooking up with you to her is less scary than what she thinks would happen if she just says "no Im not interested in sex with you".

this has never happened btw

 

[maxeverything]

this is why clout is cope. if u got no clout then this shit wont do anything.

Legit tbh. Fame can be a double edged sword when it comes to pussy

 

[stamaster21]

I think all of this is cope, you can act however you want and still can get hit with a sexual harassment accusation
the accusation does not even need to make sense, you still will be ruined

the only way to avoid it is to be high status, meaning if a woman were to accuse you she would suffer a hit to her own status because your network of male (and even female) friends would defend you

loners and people with weak social standing are most at risk, because noone will stand up for you, it's not worth for them, you will simply get rolled

yup those are the first types of men who get fake accused people with low social standing and allies and loners. Other people will see its bs but they have nothing to gain by standing up for you. The women already know this thats why they target low social standing men and loners. If she tried that on a decent standing guy she would recieve back-lash from other people, and low social capital and be more weak, if anything in the future would happen to her like physical assault /sexual assault , as people would be less likely to believe her.

The reason older women do false alligations to high status men, is because the reward is much more worth the risk, at that point in womens life their thinking about long-term security in money, they can care less about the social back-lash, as their older women they have low social capital anyway.

 

[stamaster21]

This applies to 90% of liberal social circles, like work, or even friend groups as well. Not just college. Jfl it you think a woman at your job can’t ruin your reputation as well

I should have added this on the thread, but you are much less likely to get in trouble if the woman has no social ties to you. That’s why it’s better to only fw women you have no social ties to, which is what I do now

true say your in a social circle and a women brings her cute cousin to a get together and all you do is put your hand on her shoulder and say your having a good-time i think your cute wanna ex-change numbers, we can go back to my apartment sometime and netflix and chill. Now the women is telling the group you came on aggressive and she feels weird around you, now you got the white-knights in the group upset bro wdf your doing. These WK men over-react in hopes of getting sexual access with the women in the social group. And now your standing in the group drops or you have to go find a new social circle.

If you have no social ties to a women and she is on some bs its more of what ever ill go on with my life and move on.

 

[stamaster21]

When it comes to sex there's this assumption that men or the person in power (which is usually men) have the tendency to get violent or abuse their power when they get rejected. A female teacher who has sex with a minor is automatically guilty because of the power imbalance. Coercion is implied when there's a clear power imbalance such as man vs woman, teacher vs student, doctor vs patient etc. Coercion can also be used in signing prenups or contracts in general - Dr. Dre's ex wife accused Dr. Dre of coercing her to sign a prenup. Coercion is not really applied to other scenarios because it is harder to prove in court. For eg. if a man and woman get drunk and get a tattoo together, what would be the man's motive be for the coercion? For sex, it is easy the reason for coercion is sexual gratification, but for other scenarios you'll need a solid argument for that to fly in court.

believe it or not courts and the law have taken this stance that in all situation with men and women and sex, men are in POWER because their bigger and stronger then women. Even in cases where the man is drunk and so is the women, the man is blamed by the court system and is said to raped the women because drunk women can't consent. There have been some cases were women drugged men and had sex with them and courts said because the guys penis was hard, it was a form of consent. Which is crazy because a male penis can be stimulated just by touch or even by electrical stimulation while a male is passed out or even sleeping.

 

[Giorgio]

true say your in a social circle and a women brings her cute cousin to a get together and all you do is put your hand on her shoulder and say your having a good-time i think your cute wanna ex-change numbers, we can go back to my apartment sometime and netflix and chill. Now the women is telling the group you came on aggressive and she feels weird around you, now you got the white-knights in the group upset bro wdf your doing. These WK men over-react in hopes of getting sexual access with the women in the social group. And now your standing in the group drops or you have to go find a new social circle.

If you have no social ties to a women and she is on some bs its more of what ever ill go on with my life and move on.

you either have to have social status high enough for her to not make up random drama for clout, or not interact with women in any capacity

just her saying "he gives me creepy vibes" will literally obliterate you in a friend group you have weak standing in

it's pretty brutal how women are keeping the low status men at the bottom