enclo and dim Pls Answer

[jtmax2]

To start im 15, 5'9 and around 140 pounds bodyweight, pretty athletic but sort of inconsistent gym. I've noticed that I generally have been looking low test and have terrible facial maturity. I've been looking at enclomiphene because of its accessibility (no pinning), and decent effectiveness. The only issue with it that Ive seen is the increased estrogen as a result, which I really wouldn't care about but I've heard that this can lead to growth plate fusion sooner than later. Im pretty sure that I have a decent bit of growth left in terms of height so I was considering using a supplement that mimics AI like DIM so combat the estrogen and still get the benefits of enclo. Let me know if this would work or if theres anything else I can do with enclo in order to keep growth plates open.

 

[1ncelbruh0218]

DIM only converts bad estrogen into better estrogen so you'll maybe have less acne and less risk of gyno but it doesnt block estrogen like an ai does. Just take very low doses of ai and i think you'll be good (0.25mg arimiex 2x week)

 

[jtmax2]

is there anything else I can di besides ai that would stop the risk of growth plates fusing?

 

[Brian Weber]

Just take the ai pussy

 

[jtmax2]

Just take the ai pussy

bro its not accessible for me

 

[Deleted member 269252]

To start im 15, 5'9 and around 140 pounds bodyweight, pretty athletic but sort of inconsistent gym. I've noticed that I generally have been looking low test and have terrible facial maturity. I've been looking at enclomiphene because of its accessibility (no pinning), and decent effectiveness. The only issue with it that Ive seen is the increased estrogen as a result, which I really wouldn't care about but I've heard that this can lead to growth plate fusion sooner than later. Im pretty sure that I have a decent bit of growth left in terms of height so I was considering using a supplement that mimics AI like DIM so combat the estrogen and still get the benefits of enclo. Let me know if this would work or if theres anything else I can do with enclo in order to keep growth plates open.

Get your bloodwork done and bulk if your at a low bodyfat %.
If you truly have low test you can get something for test through an endocrinologist.

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Just take the ai pussy

Enclo does not directly cause increased estrogen making this almost likely overkill though it would depend how much enclo brings up his testosterone and how much he aromatizes. If we guess he's a low bodyfat based on height and weight he will likely not aromatize enough to make an AI justifiable.

DIM only converts bad estrogen into better estrogen so you'll maybe have less acne and less risk of gyno but it doesnt block estrogen like an ai does. Just take very low doses of ai and i think you'll be good (0.25mg arimiex 2x week)

DIM can still knock off a bit of estrogen.

 

[jtmax2]

Enclo does not directly cause increased estrogen making this almost likely overkill though it would depend how much enclo brings up his testosterone and how much he aromatizes. If we guess he's a low bodyfat based on height and weight he will likely not aromatize enough to make an AI justifiable.


DIM can still knock off a bit of estrogen.

So what would the risk be theoretically if I were to just use enclomiphene for all its benefits with DIM, and avoid premature growth plate fusion

 

[Deleted member 269252]

So what would the risk be theoretically if I were to just use enclomiphene for all its benefits with DIM, and avoid premature growth plate fusion

Just get your bloodwork done, bulk (make sure to hit the gym) then recheck. If your still low go through a doctor.