Ending the Face vs Height Debate

[manletfuel]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

 

[WanderingBurro]

Then explain why we have an excess of average height - tall KHHV incels and 0 Chadlets rotting on this site. You're not pulling anything with height alone unless you're 6'3"+ but at that point it's just belong to the highest percentile theory for which being GL also applies to. So tired of these kinds of arguments because either one can carry you if it's strong enough for you, as in you're either tall enough that looks don't matter or you're good looking enough that height can be overlooked. But news flash, you're probably neither so stop whining about which is better because unless you have the money to visit Dr. Paley for triple LL you're going to need to deploy both height and face to stand any chance.

 

[Lebgfinal]

Then explain why we have an excess of average height - tall KHHV incels and 0 Chadlets rotting on this site. You're not pulling anything with height alone unless you're 6'3"+ but at that point it's just belong to the highest percentile theory for which being GL also applies to. So tired of these kinds of arguments because either one can carry you if it's strong enough for you, as in you're either tall enough that looks don't matter or you're good looking enough that height can be overlooked. But news flash, you're probably neither so stop whining about which is better because unless you have the money to visit Dr. Paley for triple LL you're going to need to deploy both height and face to stand any chance.

 

[manletfuel]

Then explain why we have an excess of average height - tall KHHV incels and 0 Chadlets rotting on this site. You're not pulling anything with height alone unless you're 6'3"+ but at that point it's just belong to the highest percentile theory for which being GL also applies to. So tired of these kinds of arguments because either one can carry you if it's strong enough for you, as in you're either tall enough that looks don't matter or you're good looking enough that height can be overlooked. But news flash, you're probably neither so stop whining about which is better because unless you have the money to visit Dr. Paley for triple LL you're going to need to deploy both height and face to stand any chance.

face cannot carry, only height can carry - foids do not care about face as much as height - also the only KHHV tall people on this site havent left the house in 5 years or have never talked to women in their life due to crippling autism

 

[Lebgfinal]

face cannot carry, only height can carry - foids do not care about face as much as height - also the only KHHV tall people on this site havent left the house in 5 years or have never talked to women in their life due to crippling autism

i trust you "manletfuel"

 

[johnrocksaints]

I still don't have a definitive opinion on this, but what makes sense to me today is this:

a short guy with an unattractive face will certainly have a lot more problems than a 6'4" guy with an extremely unattractive face. However, once you're of average height, around 5'9", and have a very good face, I believe that puts you on par with the tall, unattractive guy. I think both have their limitations, and perhaps facial attractiveness slightly outweighs height.

What I think happens is that if a guy is 6'4", he has to have a really bad face to become a 'tallcel,' which, in my opinion, is rare compared to guys who are 5'9" with a very good face (they are rarer).

I know this might sound confusing, but I'm open to hearing other arguments.

 

[Lebgfinal]

I still don't have a definitive opinion on this, but what makes sense to me today is this:

a short guy with an unattractive face will certainly have a lot more problems than a 6'4" guy with an extremely unattractive face. However, once you're of average height, around 5'9", and have a very good face, I believe that puts you on par with the tall, unattractive guy. I think both have their limitations, and perhaps facial attractiveness slightly outweighs height.

What I think happens is that if a guy is 6'4", he has to have a really bad face to become a 'tallcel,' which, in my opinion, is rare compared to guys who are 5'9" with a very good face (they are rarer).

I know this might sound confusing, but I'm open to hearing other arguments.

I'm average height and ugly face

 

[manletfuel]

I still don't have a definitive opinion on this, but what makes sense to me today is this:

a short guy with an unattractive face will certainly have a lot more problems than a 6'4" guy with an extremely unattractive face. However, once you're of average height, around 5'9", and have a very good face, I believe that puts you on par with the tall, unattractive guy. I think both have their limitations, and perhaps facial attractiveness slightly outweighs height.

What I think happens is that if a guy is 6'4", he has to have a really bad face to become a 'tallcel,' which, in my opinion, is rare compared to guys who are 5'9" with a very good face (they are rarer).

I know this might sound confusing, but I'm open to hearing other arguments.

bradlets are a commodity so yes i would agree with that, obviously they exist like tom cruise and such but 6;4 ugly mogs 5'9 average to oblibion

 

[JohnTabon38]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

Is not that black and white. The better looking you are the more you get away with being short and the taller you are the more you get away with an uglier face but at some point it doesn't matter and there is legit no saving like when good looking but omega short or very tall but subhuman

 

[WanderingBurro]

face cannot carry, only height can carry - foids do not care about face as much as height - also the only KHHV tall people on this site havent left the house in 5 years or have never talked to women in their life due to crippling autism

If face couldn't carry then we'd have a bunch of chadlets rotting here but we don't. Out of the two decent looking manlets on this site one isn't KHHV and the other is curry (so pheno issue). You'd think we'd have an even distribution but we don't. I never see chadlets here yet it's every other day I see someone claiming to be 190+ with little to no sex life.


If you're short-average and GL you're probably going to be cannibalised on online dating because you can't get through the question "how tall are you" but there's a good chance you didn't need to stoop to even using OLD because your face already carried you into a relationship IRL.

bradlets are a commodity so yes i would agree with that, obviously they exist like tom cruise and such but 6;4 ugly mogs 5'9 average to oblibion

Just be highest percentile theory yet again. You can literally apply this to anything else.

 

[Lebgfinal]

If face couldn't carry then we'd have a bunch of chadlets rotting here but we don't. Out of the two decent looking manlets on this site one isn't KHHV and the other is curry (so pheno issue). You'd think we'd have an even distribution but we don't. I never see chadlets here yet it's every other day I see someone claiming to be 190+ with little to no sex life.


If you're short-average and GL you're probably going to be cannibalised on online dating because you can't get through the question "how tall are you" but there's a good chance you didn't need to stoop to even using OLD because your face already carried you into a relationship IRL.

Just be highest percentile theory yet again. You can literally apply this to anything else.

I'm one of the ugly one

 

[manletfuel]

If face couldn't carry then we'd have a bunch of chadlets rotting here but we don't. Out of the two decent looking manlets on this site one isn't KHHV and the other is curry (so pheno issue). You'd think we'd have an even distribution but we don't. I never see chadlets here yet it's every other day I see someone claiming to be 190+ with little to no sex life.


If you're short-average and GL you're probably going to be cannibalised on online dating because you can't get through the question "how tall are you" but there's a good chance you didn't need to stoop to even using OLD because your face already carried you into a relationship IRL.

Just be highest percentile theory yet again. You can literally apply this to anything else.

all MTN 6' or above that simply need to move past the tism

 

[WanderingBurro]

all MTN 6' or above that simply need to move past the tism

Personality has a very large genetic factor that most overlook. Tisms aren't curable and IQ is largely unchangeable.

 

[Krakowski]

6’5 and still KHHV

 

[manletfuel]

6’5 and still KHHV

just ascend the tism and start being sociable you lanklet

 

[manletfuel]

Personality has a very large genetic factor that most overlook. Tisms aren't curable and IQ is largely unchangeable.

PERSONALITY foids do not care how smart you are as long as you can hold a conversation - the only bar for those over 6' is being able to speak

 

[johnrocksaints]

I don't think I was very clear in my previous post, so:

What I think happens is that if a guy is 6'4", he has to have a very bad face to become a 'tallcel,' and if a guy is very handsome, he has to be VERY short to become a 'shortcel.' So maybe it's all a matter of compensation. You can have an opinion that either height or face is slightly more important, but in the end, it's a mix of compensation and womans preference that rules.

In my humble opinion, if you're talking about women who strictly prefer guys as tall as possible(Not caring much about face), that's a minority according to a study I once saw. And perhaps those who strictly prefer the face are even rarer. But the issue of compensation works with most women."

 

[manletfuel]

I don't think I was very clear in my previous post, so:

What I think happens is that if a guy is 6'4", he has to have a very bad face to become a 'tallcel,' and if a guy is very handsome, he has to be VERY short to become a 'shortcel.' So maybe it's all a matter of compensation. You can have an opinion that either height or face is slightly more important, but in the end, it's a mix of compensation and womans preference that rules.

In my humble opinion, if you're talking about women who strictly prefer guys as tall as possible(Not caring much about face), that's a minority according to a study I once saw. And perhaps those who strictly prefer the face are even rarer. But the issue of compensation works with most women."

height is still a more important factor but i see ur point

 

[WanderingBurro]

PERSONALITY foids do not care how smart you are as long as you can hold a conversation - the only bar for those over 6' is being able to speak

You missed the point. If someone's a mentalcel there's a good chance they're going to stay a mentalcel. You can't just tell someone to "move past the tism", people are often either very social early on or are social outcasts and largely remain so.


I also doubt the bar is that low becasue again, we have a lot of people here who hit the 6' benchmark (and beyond), doubt every single one of them has lacked human contact for the past half of a decade or so. And even if it was just "them being non-NT", by your logic people should already be throwing themselves at them even if they're doing the bare minimum but this site indicates otherwise.

 

[Survivor95]

As you age, height will became more important, frame also, because obvious your face will bevame wors. From what I saw irl, face is more important as long you meet a certen treshold. But realistically speaking, there are a lot more tall guys 6'+, than very good looking guy like chadlites+. So will be more tall average looking slayers than shorts chads, for sure.

 

[Deleted member 22888]

Being average or at worst near average height (1-2 inches away max) and being good looking is LAW.
Height is secondary to face as long as ur not actually short. Most guys are within height range to have a dating life, but many guys everywhere have issues with their face.

 

[Kirby7000]

face cannot carry, only height can carry - foids do not care about face as much as height - also the only KHHV tall people on this site havent left the house in 5 years or have never talked to women in their life due to crippling autism

The most attractive movie actors of all time are short

 

[Deleted member 22888]

As you age, height will became more important, frame also, because obvious your face will bevame wors. From what I saw irl, face is more important as long you meet a certen treshold. But realistically speaking, there are a lot more tall guys 6'+, than very good looking guy like chadlites+. So will be more tall average looking slayers than shorts chads, for sure.

Height becomes more important as u age but I’d argue that keeping ur hair and collagen levels as high as possible as ur face ages along with ur competition would give u a giga halo. Most ppl don’t try and let themselves go. In theory it should
Become easier to have a better face then ur competition if u actually try and keep ur hair and collagen as much as u can, thus giving u a huge advantage as u can still be good looking to women in ur age bracket relative to ur age competiton. This only works if u had a decent face to begin with. Staying lean is Also very critical

 

[IMOGYOU]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

True
You need to be at least average or above average height to become a slayer
Chad status is only if you are above average height

 

[BootySniffer69]

Is not that black and white. The better looking you are the more you get away with being short and the taller you are the more you get away with an uglier face but at some point it doesn't matter and there is legit no saving like when good looking but omega short or very tall but subhuman

true it's a spectrum, like the one that most of you guys are on

 

[manletfuel]

true it's a spectrum, like the one that most of you guys are on

 

[bwrauycnee]

Who’s going to be mogging in the club?
6’5 ogre with normie face
Or 5’9 chadlite

 

[Kamui]

Then explain why we have an excess of average height - tall KHHV incels and 0 Chadlets rotting on this site. You're not pulling anything with height alone unless you're 6'3"+ but at that point it's just belong to the highest percentile theory for which being GL also applies to. So tired of these kinds of arguments because either one can carry you if it's strong enough for you, as in you're either tall enough that looks don't matter or you're good looking enough that height can be overlooked. But news flash, you're probably neither so stop whining about which is better because unless you have the money to visit Dr. Paley for triple LL you're going to need to deploy both height and face to stand any chance.

OP is just an angry midget lol

Niggas who are ugly manlets always say height matters more, niggas who are ugly lanklets always say face matters more

 

[manletfuel]

Who’s going to be mogging in the club?
6’5 ogre with normie face
Or 5’9 chadlite

6’5

 

[Deleted member 44159]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

height matters if below 5'10. At least here in the USA

 

[Betterthanher]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

Idk about you but I had a different experience, my crush in freshman year had a best friend who was 6’4+ also had a crush on her and he confessed to her and tried to be her valentines but she rejected and they didn’t stay long as friends, i however became her valentines after knowing her interests, I mean the dude was ginger so I guess gingers can never slay. I was like 5’7 in freshman year then shortly in sophomore year broke up with her after I tried to kill her

 

[manletfuel]

Idk about you but I had a different experience, my crush in freshman year had a best friend who was 6’4+ also had a crush on her and he confessed to her and tried to be her valentines but she rejected and they didn’t stay long as friends, i however became her valentines after knowing her interests, I mean the dude was ginger so I guess gingers can never slay. I was like 5’7 in freshman year then shortly in sophomore year broke up with her after I tried to kill her

Kek

 

[Betterthanher]

Kek

I mean the dude was pretty ugly and way too dam tall

 

[innervoid765]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

face > height

 

[manletfuel]

face > height

JFL

 

[Lucky Handsome]

slayed multiple girls same height few girls taller than me

 

[Ttran1485]

I'm the prime example. I have an ogre face (asian Loox) + ricecel and still have double digit bodycount due to genetics lmao. Height is law if you are 6'3+ and your face is LTN+

 

[cytoplasm]

I'm the prime example. I have an ogre face (asian Loox) + ricecel and still have double digit bodycount due to genetics lmao. Height is law if you are 6'3 and your face is LTN+

You also have the physique. Height + physique > face, but face > height

 

[Ttran1485]

You also have the physique. Height + physique > face, but face > height

Is my face really that weird? I've never gotten anything but compliments simply due to how dimorphic my jaw and cheekbone structure is + almond eyes. Lips are fucked though, idk what to do abt that since they're just small naturally and asian flat maxilla

 

[cytoplasm]

Is my face really that weird? I've never gotten anything but compliments simply due to how dimorphic my jaw and cheekbone structure is + almond eyes. Lips are fucked though, idk what to do abt that since they're just small naturally and asian flat maxilla

Idk I dont think you look weird from what I remember but ik you were getting around LTN ratings which I thought were fair, but it doesnt even matter because of height+frame+physique

 

[rusty_nail_555]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

6ft3+ ltn will not slay women but will undoubtedly grab the attention of people. you will be noticed in social situations and people will converse with you simply due to your imposing presence. Even 5ft9 chadlites will feel intimated. height is a trait that men get immediately insecure about due to the insanely high variance can be observed. i.e height puts your foot in the door but a good face lets women to indulge in flirtation with you. if you are both tall and good looking it is a very lethal combination as you are very imposing and have a literal halo above your head. A 6ft4 henry cavill pheno will absolutely mog anyone in his presence without a doubt

 

[manletfuel]

I'm the prime example. I have an ogre face (asian Loox) + ricecel and still have double digit bodycount due to genetics lmao. Height is law if you are 6'3+ and your face is LTN+

So over for manlets.

 

[manletfuel]

6ft3+ ltn will not slay women but will undoubtedly grab the attention of people. you will be noticed in social situations and people will converse with you simply due to your imposing presence. Even 5ft9 chadlites will feel intimated. height is a trait that men get immediately insecure about due to the insanely high variance can be observed. i.e height puts your foot in the door but a good face lets women to indulge in flirtation with you. if you are both tall and good looking it is a very lethal combination as you are very imposing and have a literal halo above your head. A 6ft4 henry cavill pheno will absolutely mog anyone in his presence without a doubt

6’3 LTN still slays more than 5’9 chadlite
6’3 MTN or above is ultimate slayer

 

[Betterthanher]

I'm the prime example. I have an ogre face (asian Loox) + ricecel and still have double digit bodycount due to genetics lmao. Height is law if you are 6'3+ and your face is LTN+

no you are a fetish for some women but ginger giants arent

 

[Fiqh]

Face will always be better than height, no mater what.

 

[SnoopDawg]

Who’s going to be mogging in the club?
6’5 ogre with normie face
Or 5’9 chadlite

Shit reasoning. A fair comparison would have to be (x% percentile height y% face vs y% face x% height).

Otherwise, you would have retarded statements like "the car you drive is more important than your face. who mogs: a guy in a $10mil Lamborghini with a 6/10 face, or a guy with a shitbox and a 5.9/10 face? Clearly the Lambo wins, so car>face"

According to the CDC in the US 6'3.6 is the breaking point for 99th percentile. 6'5 is around 99.6%th, (~+3 SD/standard deviations) so just 4 in 1000 would be taller. 5'9 is slightly under average, we can call it average.

I am also assuming by "6'5 ogre" you are referencing a good frame, which is also statistically pretty rare... so our "face rareness equivalence" would be even higher.. I'll ignore that for ease of calculation.

So, a non-retarded equivalency would be +3sd percentile height (6'5) and 50th face (4PSL) VS 50th height (actually closer to 5'10 but I digress) and +3sd % (99.6) face.

As you can see, the "equivalent" to 6'5 is not a Chadlite, and almost (not quite though) an actor/model tier chad (~6.5 psl)/1 in 250, or around 7.5 or so TRM.

A 6'5 normie can definitely slay in the club, but avg height 99.6th % faces will too, and will stand out anywhere, receive INSANE attention, much more than 6'5 normie. Will be frequently approached by women in every environment.

 

[Adonis007]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

You need to be 5ft 9 and have a solid face

 

[Adonis007]

Shit reasoning. A fair comparison would have to be (x% percentile height y% face vs y% face x% height).

Otherwise, you would have retarded statements like "the car you drive is more important than your face. who mogs: a guy in a $10mil Lamborghini with a 6/10 face, or a guy with a shitbox and a 5.9/10 face? Clearly the Lambo wins, so car>face"

According to the CDC in the US 6'3.6 is the breaking point for 99th percentile. 6'5 is around 99.6%th, (~+3 SD/standard deviations) so just 4 in 1000 would be taller. 5'9 is slightly under average, we can call it average.

I am also assuming by "6'5 ogre" you are referencing a good frame, which is also statistically pretty rare... so our "face rareness equivalence" would be even higher.. I'll ignore that for ease of calculation.

So, a non-retarded equivalency would be +3sd percentile height (6'5) and 50th face (4PSL) VS 50th height (actually closer to 5'10 but I digress) and +3sd % (99.6) face.

As you can see, the "equivalent" to 6'5 is not a Chadlite, and almost (not quite though) an actor/model tier chad (~6.5 psl)/1 in 250, or around 7.5 or so TRM.

A 6'5 normie can definitely slay in the club, but avg height 99.6th % faces will too, and will stand out anywhere, receive INSANE attention, much more than 6'5 normie. Will be frequently approached by women in every environment.

5ft

6’5

100%, Chadlite. You keep applying male gaze

 

[Adonis007]

Tired of people saying you can be 5'6 bradlet and still slay, women will pre emptively reject if you do not meet the required height threshold, face is secondary to that as long you are at least MTN, even if LTN you can still pull more than CHAD/HTN Manlet.
Face may be king but height is law
Anyone who disagrees needs to tell their soyboy antics to someone who cares

Tell that to Zayn Malik

 

[actualunderstander]

There is no ending this debate because different people like different things. Some chicks like a tall dude regardless if he's got a low tier face. Some girls like a handsome manlet. Too many factors.
Does the manlet have much better social skills? Attractive confidence? Does the tall guy have an average face but broad shoulders? To much variation to tell