Eugenics as a Christian

[Prøphet]

One of the biggest problems that challenges my faith is the existence of bad genes. If you’ve read my posts you probably already know but I’m basically completely fucked aesthetically, physically, and mentally, and was always destined to be.

There truly are “genetic dead ends” as Clav puts it who would be better off not having been born. Existence for these people is a relentless uphill battle ultimately leading to nothing. What should be an opportunity is a burden to these people. Ask me how I know.

We really should have a government-run program to discourage the unregulated spread of bad genes. If you try your hardest and still struggle, you should not be allowed to reproduce and burden another soul with your misery. For somebody like me with a CVS receipt-length list of diagnoses and illnesses, to reproduce would be criminal to the highest degree. We need to lock reproduction licenses behind hard requirements and limits on bad DNA for the sake of the future.

I know most Christians would call this dystopian and against God’s plan, but I would argue the alternative is even more dystopian and would just be us giving in to the sin and chaos of our world.

 

[isis_Bleach]

yeah I’m pretty sure Adam was true chad so if you arent good looking you’re like cursed like you’re part of a bad bloodline that got cursed

 

[Prøphet]

yeah I’m pretty sure Adam was true chad so if you arent good looking you’re like cursed like you’re part of a bad bloodline that got cursed

Bad genes / health / ugliness probably began with their offspring as a curse

 

[Prøphet]

God allows cancer and disease yet Christians have no problem when we invent treatments for these things

Well eugenics are simply the treatment for bad genes.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

yeah I’m pretty sure Adam was true chad so if you arent good looking you’re like cursed like you’re part of a bad bloodline that got cursed

Yall really grown adults believing in this shit saying “cursed”

 

[Prøphet]

Yall really grown adults believing in this shit saying “cursed”

There are some people with such comical strings of misfortune it would be harder not to believe in curses

 

[ICXCLuvr]

There are some people with such comical strings of misfortune it would be harder not to believe in curses

All of which can be explained. Almost everything can be explained and proven besides god

 

[Sith]

I agree to an extent

 

[Prøphet]

All of which can be explained. Almost everything can be explained and proven besides god

“almost”

 

[Brava]

There truly are “genetic dead ends” as Clav puts it who would be better off not having been born. Existence for these people is a relentless uphill battle ultimately leading to nothing. What should be an opportunity is a burden to these people. Ask me how I know.

but does that mean that they truly do not deserve life? why are we judging the outcome of people, what if they could succeed? they atleast deserve an attempt at making it far in life

 

[ICXCLuvr]

“almost”

Your “explanations” don’t have any proof or evidence to back it up

 

[Prøphet]

but does that mean that they truly do not deserve life? why are we judging the outcome of people, what if they could succeed? they atleast deserve an attempt at making it far in life

I don’t see it as a question of “deserving”, but more as “sentencing”

Someone born, for example, with a low iq, autism, recessed face, blindness, trigeminal neuralgia, and a host of autoimmune disease due to the parents being genetic carriers for these conditions, will go through so much guaranteed suffering and misery that life is effectively a hellish death sentence for such a case

 

[Prøphet]

Your “explanations” don’t have any proof or evidence to back it up

Any existential question outside of inductive reasoning will also lack empirical evidence. Science can only go so far.

 

[Brava]

We really should have a government-run program to discourage the unregulated spread of bad genes. If you try your hardest and still struggle, you should not be allowed to reproduce and burden another soul with your misery. For somebody like me with a CVS receipt-length list of diagnoses and illnesses, to reproduce would be criminal to the highest degree. We need to lock reproduction licenses behind hard requirements and limits on bad DNA for the sake of the future.

I know most Christians would call this dystopian and against God’s plan, but I would argue the alternative is even more dystopian and would just be us giving in to the sin and chaos of our world.

But that would just spark more unrest, people calling the government racist and oppressive, because they are trying to make their people more "pure" this is will kind of make modern day societes on par with ancient aztecs with their old tradition of human sacrifice.

Im not against eugenics ive made a thread about it b4, but I think it will cause a lot of problems amongst the people. for example, 4 years (the term of an american president) is not enough to fully enable eugenics, even if it is you wont go fair with it. So if you want eugenics to work you would have to take initiative and become authoritarian. I do think that eugenics can help a country, but if something like ICE in the usa is getting backlash and labeled as racist, I do not think that eugenics is gonna make it far if the government were to stop when the people start to dislike the movement

 

[Brava]

I don’t see it as a question of “deserving”, but more as “sentencing”

Someone born, for example, with a low iq, autism, recessed face, blindness, trigeminal neuralgia, and a host of autoimmune disease due to the parents being genetic carriers for these conditions, will go through so much guaranteed suffering and misery that life is effectively a hellish death sentence for such a case

good point, when looking at life its either what i said or what you said here, no in between

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Any existential question outside of inductive reasoning will also lack empirical evidence. Science can only go so far.

Any question will lack empirical evidence? Okay. Is it better to assume shit or just accept we may never know

 

[Prøphet]

Any question will lack empirical evidence? Okay. Is it better to assume shit or just accept we may never know

Believing we know nothing of the creator is an assumption itself

 

[normanx]

One of the biggest problems that challenges my faith is the existence of bad genes. If you’ve read my posts you probably already know but I’m basically completely fucked aesthetically, physically, and mentally, and was always destined to be.

There truly are “genetic dead ends” as Clav puts it who would be better off not having been born. Existence for these people is a relentless uphill battle ultimately leading to nothing. What should be an opportunity is a burden to these people. Ask me how I know.

We really should have a government-run program to discourage the unregulated spread of bad genes. If you try your hardest and still struggle, you should not be allowed to reproduce and burden another soul with your misery. For somebody like me with a CVS receipt-length list of diagnoses and illnesses, to reproduce would be criminal to the highest degree. We need to lock reproduction licenses behind hard requirements and limits on bad DNA for the sake of the future.

I know most Christians would call this dystopian and against God’s plan, but I would argue the alternative is even more dystopian and would just be us giving in to the sin and chaos of our world.

agreed, soon as u mentioned gov tho yk its gonna be used to depopulate once the masses arent useful in productivity

 

[Prøphet]

But that would just spark more unrest, people calling the government racist and oppressive, because they are trying to make their people more "pure" this is will kind of make modern day societes on par with ancient aztecs with their old tradition of human sacrifice.

Im not against eugenics ive made a thread about it b4, but I think it will cause a lot of problems amongst the people. for example, 4 years (the term of an american president) is not enough to fully enable eugenics, even if it is you wont go fair with it. So if you want eugenics to work you would have to take initiative and become authoritarian. I do think that eugenics can help a country, but if something like ICE in the usa is getting backlash and labeled as racist, I do not think that eugenics is gonna make it far if the government were to stop when the people start to dislike the movement

Well I agree practically it will take a lot of time and tbh propaganda to raise public support for

I just don’t agree with these low iq normies abusing appeal to nature to justify birthing kids who will go through hell, when it’s completely avoidable

 

[yandex99]

We know the soul doesn't exist based on neuroscience,and that we came from apes thru biology and it's various sciences

Stop believing and procrastinating and do something useful with your life while you still have time

 

[Prøphet]

We know the soul doesn't exist based on neuroscience,and that we came from apes thru biology and it's various sciences

Stop believing and procrastinating and do something useful with your life while you still have time

How do you know the soul doesn’t exist?

 

[buckchadley31]

Didn't Adam sons have to kill for who gets to fuck their sister? That's fucked up

 

[Prøphet]

Didn't Adam sons have to kill for who gets to fuck their sister? That's fucked up

No where did you hear that

 

[buckchadley31]

No where did you hear that

How did they procreate then?

 

[yandex99]

How do you know the soul doesn’t exist?

Split brain research(I recommend Barbara schechter and her podcasts and books on this topic or just a youtube search)and also conscious decisions and thoughts can be mapped atleast 11-15 seconds before the person does it or thinks it

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Believing we know nothing of the creator is an assumption itself

atheism is a lack of belief, the burden of proof falls on believers. You can’t otherwise prove we know of a creator, that’s a fact other Christians agree with

 

[Prøphet]

Split brain research(I recommend Barbara schechter and her podcasts and books on this topic or just a youtube search)and also conscious decisions and thoughts can be mapped atleast 11-15 seconds before the person does it or thinks it

I’ll look the first thing up

But for the 2nd thing

How do you know the brain activity is the cause of the decision

Versus the brain activity simply being a material correlation running alongside the immaterial?

 

[Prøphet]

atheism is a lack of belief, the burden of proof falls on believers. You can’t otherwise prove we know of a creator, that’s a fact other Christians agree with

Lacking belief in God is a belief itself, you believe there is no God

What was the cause of the Big Bang, better yet what was the cause of that cause, and so on?

 

[thomasjiooo]

as Clav puts it

Yea ur definitely on the wrong path

 

[Prøphet]

How did they procreate then?

That part is true but Cain didn’t kill Abel because he wanted to reproduce he killed him because he was jealous his sacrifice got accepted

 

[ICXCLuvr]

What was the cause of the Big Bang, better yet what was the cause of that cause, and so on?

Idk, I already said that. Maybe cosmic inflation, which is a better theory than a creator because it’s actually grounded in reality and is somewhat measurable. Even if I agreed that there was a creator that wouldn’t really prove Christianity specifically, that could fall into a lot of different religions, it could even fall into deism which I never denied because that’s more possible than any organized religion

 

[yandex99]

atheism is a lack of belief, the burden of proof falls on believers. You can’t otherwise prove we know of a creator, that’s a fact other Christians agree with

There are strong or positive atheists out there but philosophy is just mental jerking yourself off better follow testable evidence that there is no soul

 

[yandex99]

I’ll look the first thing up

But for the 2nd thing

How do you know the brain activity is the cause of the decision

Versus the brain activity simply being a material correlation running alongside the immaterial?

Because the soul as defined by religion is indivisible especially throughout time,you can better ask Google ai this question im a ex Christian fundie BTW

 

[yandex99]

No where did you hear that

Mitochondrial eve is far removed from common ancestry paternal in humans by millenia and the further you go the more we can downwind our genes and mutations back to apes