European Aesthetics and Phenotype Variation

[Deleted member 6111]

How do you explain the flynn effect then if iq is solely genetic. Blacks in more developed countries do have higher IQs than their African equivalents jfl. That literarily proves my point.

Also iq doesn't measure intelligence in and of itself, it's only correlated to G (general intelligence). IQ is a tool for establishing learning disabilities that's why it was established.

Nutrition can play a part in IQ but only to a certain extent. Many "black" communities in western countries are also mixed. which is why, for example, black Americans have a higher IQ than black Africans. Yet black Americans still have a much lower IQ than European Americans, despite both living in a developed society. genetics determines your IQ potential although this can be impaired by nutritional needs not being met. Africans in developed western societies have already reached their genetic IQ potential, at least by the second generation. identical twins who have been adopted by families from different socio economic classes and attended different schools etc, while both remaining in developed societies where nutritional needs are met, have been shown to have almost identical adult IQs (there is a difference due to education but this is only shown to persist during childhood before reverting to their genetically determined IQ by the time theyre about 18). Should also be noted that of course there are Africans who have a higher than average IQ, and these people are more likely to have immigrated to European countries, especially during the twentieth century, as they would have greater access to travel and migration opportunities

 

[Deleted member 6111]

In short, if African IQs were able to increase to levels comparable to those of Europeans or Asians, considering what we know about the effects that education and nutrition have on IQ, then they would have already done so among African Americans and second and third generation African immigrants in Europe. that hasnt happened at all

 

[Deleted member 6111]

The fact that African American IQ is in the 80s strongly suggests that average African IQ levels, at least from Central and West Africa, will never surpass or even reach this level, excluding some kind of eugenics

 

[Deleted member 6273]

retard, i just said consensus means SHIT, for obvious reasons. how do you explain what i just told you? consensus changes when more evidence gets found this is normal, race and IQ is a relatively controversial topic which is why the consensus about it being genetic is low in the western world, but high in non western countries.

Because there are numerous variables especially in anthropology. Dating of arifacts, bones etc can have multiple errors which have been made before. Scientific concensus points to the more established content up to that point, that's literally how science works.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

its european ad mixture, which easily explains, the like what? 5 iq increase. also cope, IQ does certainly measure intelligence, its the best measurement we have. if youd like i could explain this further?

Please explain why the flynn effect takes place. Why are these IQs increasing if only genetics are at play.

IQ on the rise: the Flynn effect in rural Kenyan children - PubMed

Multiple studies have documented significant IQ gains over time, a phenomenon labeled the Flynn effect. Data from 20 industrialized nations show massive IQ gains over time, most notably in culturally reduced tests like the Raven's Progressive Matrices. To our knowledge, however, this is the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 9090]

Because there are numerous variables especially in anthropology. Dating of arifacts, bones etc can have multiple errors which have been made before. Scientific concensus points to the more established content up to that point, that's literally how science works.

i dont know what to tell u man. its beyond over for your IQ

listen here: i just told u '' race and IQ is a relatively controversial topic which is why the consensus about it being genetic is low in the western world, but high in non western countries. ''

m8, i get it you are african urself so you have to cope with something. i totally understand, but please for the love of god stick to facts, you and i both know africans are low IQ and it would take a literal 100+ generations with genetic engineering to reverse your DNA.

 

[6’1cel]

Are Europeans the most aesthetic peoples and if so, why? Is it because of the greater variation and unicity in their phenotypes? Is it because of the greater variety and regularity of brilliant colours? Is their another reason? Im not talking about sexual appeal, im talking about aesthetics and beauty

yes, because we have the most prominent face bones, highest t look, colouring, a bit bcus of society too tho

 

[Deleted member 6273]

retard, i just said consensus means SHIT, for obvious reasons. how do you explain what i just told you? consensus changes when more evidence gets found this is normal, race and IQ is a relatively controversial topic which is why the consensus about it being genetic is low in the western world, but high in non western countries.

That's how science fucking works theories are changed and adjusted. The scientific consensus on race and iq world wide is that they are correlated. Most respectable psychologists acknowledge this.

 

[Deleted member 9090]

Please explain why the flynn effect takes place. Why are these IQs increasing if only genetics are at play.

IQ on the rise: the Flynn effect in rural Kenyan children - PubMed

Multiple studies have documented significant IQ gains over time, a phenomenon labeled the Flynn effect. Data from 20 industrialized nations show massive IQ gains over time, most notably in culturally reduced tests like the Raven's Progressive Matrices. To our knowledge, however, this is the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

i already linked you the reason why flynn effect means jack shit, stop coping with flynn effect/

'' In conclusion, the Flynn effect and racial intelligence differences have nothing to do with each other. Intelligence differences between races and between generations are largely gaps in different abilities, to the degree that they are gaps in the same abilities they are produced by different causes, and the existence of a large gain in intelligence over time has no a priori implications on the causes of racial intelligence differences. ''

 

[Deleted member 9090]

That's how science fucking works theories are changed and adjusted. The scientific consensus on race and iq world wide is that they are correlated. Most respectable psychologists acknowledge this.

i dont need someone with a PHD to explain how stuff works. also a lot of scientific research is HEAVILY FLAWED, never blindly follow something or someone. science is the new religion to some people.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

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i dont know what to tell u man. its beyond over for your IQ

listen here: i just told u '' race and IQ is a relatively controversial topic which is why the consensus about it being genetic is low in the western world, but high in non western countries. ''

m8, i get it you are african urself so you have to cope with something. i totally understand, but please for the love of god stick to facts, you and i both know africans are low IQ and it would take a literal 100+ generations with genetic engineering to reverse your DNA.

This is getting to retarded to continue. Race and iq topic is correlated and there is universal SCIENTIFIC consensus on it for fuck sake. Jesus Fuck how many times do I have to say this shit. Do you know what scientific consensus means fuck. It's not dependent on location or region or any other variable you are talking about. FUCK

 

[Deleted member 9090]

its funny cause, everything can be explained with hereditary but evironmental copers need to have a different explanation for every single fucking thing because their whole argument is heavily flawed. just like with vegans and veganism

 

[Deleted member 9090]

This is getting to retarded to continue. Race and iq topic is correlated and there is universal SCIENTIFIC consensus on it for fuck sake. Jesus Fuck how many times do I have to say this shit. Do you know what scientific consensus means fuck. It's not dependent on location or region or any other variable you are talking about. FUCK

retard, it was an example of why consensus is not always something to base your opinion off of

 

[Deleted member 6273]

i already linked you the reason why flynn effect means jack shit, stop coping with flynn effect/

'' In conclusion, the Flynn effect and racial intelligence differences have nothing to do with each other. Intelligence differences between races and between generations are largely gaps in different abilities, to the degree that they are gaps in the same abilities they are produced by different causes, and the existence of a large gain in intelligence over time has no a priori implications on the causes of racial intelligence differences. ''

WHEN THE FUCK DID I SAY IT DIDN'T.

I said there are non genetic influences that affect an iq score. You're just strawmanning my arguement

 

[Deleted member 9090]

WHEN THE FUCK DID I SAY IT DIDN'T.

I said there are non genetic influences that affect an iq score. You're just strawmanning my arguement

'' Poorer countries have a negative effect on iq levels. Iq levels in ss Africa are increasing at 1 iq point per year while Scandinavia only 3 points per decade why? Flynn effect. I will admit though African iqs are lower. ''

tf do you mean xD.

the ''non genetic influences'' are literally so small that its not even worth considering. the only reason it has an effect is when you are almost starved to death, which most people arent. even in fucking africa

 

[sensen]

i thought ethnics bred with neanderthals and thats why most of them have primitive looking facial features?

Blacks have little to no Neanderthal DNA. But have 11% of their genome from a "ghost population" which was probably some really ugly, dumb offshoot of Homo Erectus. Out of Africa model is a lie.

 

[sensen]

YOOOOOO I can't believe someone mentoned the GHost DNA thing before me holy shit

yall niggas smart too

 

[Mr.cope]

Why are ethnics so obsessed with whites
Its cringy and annoying
Anyone can look “white”
You just have shit genes

 

[Deleted member 9090]

YOOOOOO I can't believe someone mentoned the GHost DNA thing before me holy shit

yall niggas smart too

 

[Deleted member 9090]

Why are ethnics so obsessed with whites
Its cringy and annoying
Anyone can look “white”
You just have shit genes

looking white is deeper than skin lol

 

[sensen]

Ashkenazi's have a distinct genetic history separate from Europeans.That's why Ashkenazi ad mixture can easily be picked out in an ancestry examination.

Poorer countries have a negative effect on iq levels. Iq levels in ss Africa are increasing at 1 iq point per year while Scandinavia only 3 points per decade why? Flynn effect. I will admit though African iqs are lower.

So the same principles can be used to assess asian countries.

Also how is creativity objectively measured? What metric is used? Do you have examples?

IQ is at most 15% environmental. Which is why you see African Americans with an average of 85-90, and many Sub Saharan Africans averaging around 75.

 

[Deleted member 9090]

compared to blacks, whites brains are,

• are 7% larger (1438cc versus 1343cc)
• are 100 grams heavier
• have deeper fissuration in the frontal and occipital regions
• have more complex convolutions and larger frontal lobes
• have more pyramidal neurons
• have 16% thicker supra-grandular layer
• react faster on mental chronometry tests
• have 600 million more neurons (each carries about 600 billion synapses, which each carry one bit of cortical information)

genes contribute to about 90% of the individual variation of brain size. it basically doesnt fucking matter

 

[Mr.cope]

looking white is deeper than skin lol

That’s literally what i’m saying
Ive seen plenty of other races with white side profiles and super strong chins
Its just genes

 

[Deleted member 9090]

IQ is at most 15% environmental. Which is why you see African Americans with an average of 85-90, and many Sub Saharan Africans averaging around 75.

its actually due to mixing with whites

 

[Deleted member 6273]

'' Poorer countries have a negative effect on iq levels. Iq levels in ss Africa are increasing at 1 iq point per year while Scandinavia only 3 points per decade why? Flynn effect. I will admit though African iqs are lower. ''

tf do you mean xD.

the ''non genetic influences'' are literally so small that its not even worth considering. the only reason it has an effect is when you are almost starved to death, which most people arent. even in fucking africa

"the only reason it has an effect is when you are almost starved to death" Any evidence on this or did you just pull it out of your ass.

My statement was clear there are non genetic factors that hinder African IQ from reaching maximum potential but the maximum potential is still probably lower than European or Asian IQs. It's very self explanatory

 

[Deleted member 9090]

That’s literally what i’m saying
Ive seen plenty of other races with white side profiles and super strong chins
Its just genes

nvm then

 

[Deleted member 9090]

"the only reason it has an effect is when you are almost starved to death" Any evidence on this or did you just pull it out of your ass.

My statement was clear there are non genetic factors that hinder African IQ from reaching maximum potential but the maximum potential is still probably lower than European or Asian IQs. It's very self explanatory

why would i need evidence for that? what tf happens when u starve someone? do i need to explain this? and about ur maximum potential, its A BIG bit lower than european and asian IQ, the african IQ averages at about 80 IQ

 

[reptiles]

no one knows scientifically but id bet all the money to my name (around 600usd) that its because of interbreeding with neanderthals, which used to have really robust faces and frames, were taller and stronger on average.

So why do sands not look as goof or east asians?

 

[Deleted member 9090]

"the only reason it has an effect is when you are almost starved to death" Any evidence on this or did you just pull it out of your ass.

My statement was clear there are non genetic factors that hinder African IQ from reaching maximum potential but the maximum potential is still probably lower than European or Asian IQs. It's very self explanatory

stop coping with ur fucking flynn effect, i already told u its total bunk. just accept the bitter truth that africans and other low iq populations will remain like that until genetic engineering is used on masse

 

[Deleted member 6273]

why would i need evidence for that? what tf happens when u starve someone? do i need to explain this? and about ur maximum potential, its A BIG bit lower than european and asian IQ, the african IQ averages at about 80 IQ

Brutal reading comprehension pill. I said do you have any evidence that IQ levels are ONLY affected at near starvation levels or did you pull that shit from your ass.

 

[Deleted member 7753]

So why do sands not look as goof or east asians?

because neanderthals lived in europe.

 

[sensen]

its actually due to mixing with whites

Partly. However, average African American is still 77% Black (or close)

 

[Deleted member 9090]

Partly. However, average African American is still 77% Black (or close)

which perfectly explains the increase. just look at the adopted studies where a black kid gets adopted by whtie parents, average IQ is still 80

 

[reptiles]

because neanderthals lived in europe.

And east asia and west asia and the native americans are actually closest things to cromagnons and there not moggers so none of this makes senze

 

[Deleted member 9090]

Brutal reading comprehension pill. I said do you have any evidence that IQ levels are ONLY affected at near starvation levels or did you pull that shit from your ass.

dude ur a retard who cant even understand basic shit. explain me, what happens when u starve someone?????????? yeah exactly they dont develop properly

 

[Deleted member 9090]

And east asia and west asia and the native americans are actually closest things to cromagnons and there not moggers so none of this makes senze

i explained it in the first page bru

 

[sensen]

"the only reason it has an effect is when you are almost starved to death" Any evidence on this or did you just pull it out of your ass.

My statement was clear there are non genetic factors that hinder African IQ from reaching maximum potential but the maximum potential is still probably lower than European or Asian IQs. It's very self explanatory

Yoooo why is there always an excuse with nibbas man? MAybe genetically, you guys just aren't like us! And that's okay. You have your own women, and your own cultures.

If SSA were supposed to have 100 IQ they would have had it by now. It's not meant to be, and that is perfectly fine. You seem to be a smart guy, grasp this.

 

[Deleted member 6111]

WHEN THE FUCK DID I SAY IT DIDN'T.

I said there are non genetic influences that affect an iq score. You're just strawmanning my arguement

The consensus is that IQ is largely genetic, especially past a certain age (counterintuitively). IQ increases as nations industrialise but this is only cancelling out the deleterious effects of poor environment (mainly nutrition). to claim that environmental factors have a predominant effect beyond this is not supported by the scientific consensus and to claim that African IQ levels will come close to European levels is undermined by the fact that poor nutrition and environment do not have the same significant impact on mean IQ among African diaspora and mixed communities in industrialised countries, yet these communities still have significantly lower IQ than their european counterparts. I would recommend you select an African wife for IQ considering changes in the economy. mean iq levels obviously make this harder but its by no means impossible or even improbable. You are an individual human being. This also has very little to do with the original post

 

[reptiles]

i explained it in the first page bru

Everything you said is ridiclous.


1 east asians techically had harder climates why do you think they have flatter facial feuatres.

European climates weren't even that hard most of europe was in tropical climates anyways.

3rd mistake is why would european enviroments lead to moggers? Also why do they all also seem to be getting taller as recent?

 

[Deleted member 6111]

Yoooo why is there always an excuse with nibbas man? MAybe genetically, you guys just aren't like us! And that's okay. You have your own women, and your own cultures.

If SSA were supposed to have 100 IQ they would have had it by now. It's not meant to be, and that is perfectly fine. You seem to be a smart guy, grasp this.

tbf what he said in that post is largely true, but I think he is very much overstating the impact of environmental factors on black IQ, especially considering most of the black people we interact with have grown up in industrialised nations, so the perception we have of black IQ isnt really significantly effected by what hes talking about

 

[Deleted member 6273]

dude ur a retard who cant even understand basic shit. explain me, what happens when u starve someone?????????? yeah exactly they dont develop properly

BEYOND FUCKING RETARDED FUCK.

I said do you have ANY scientific evidence that IQ levels are ONLY affected by near starvation levels not do near starvation levels affect iq

 

[sensen]

That's how science fucking works theories are changed and adjusted. The scientific consensus on race and iq world wide is that they are correlated. Most respectable psychologists acknowledge this.

Bro, on a serious note.. I'd say it's safe to say you have at least an IQ of 100. Tell me what it's like being Black surrounded by 80 IQ retards culturally. I've noticed almost all Blacks with at least 100 IQ hang out with other races almost solely, and get ostracized pretty badly by their tribalistic troglodyte kinsmen.

 

[reptiles]

IQ is at most 15% environmental. Which is why you see African Americans with an average of 85-90, and many Sub Saharan Africans averaging around 75.

Heirtable doesn't mean determinable for instance the cranial base is quite genetically set at a point but until age 6 you can do remarkable changes due to the cranial base not being closed similar with iq off course some populations have different but there isnt a limit and evoultion doesnt like limits its always trying to expand

 

[Deleted member 6111]

Brutal reading comprehension pill. I said do you have any evidence that IQ levels are ONLY affected at near starvation levels or did you pull that shit from your ass.

I think youve already provided evidence for that by point out initially that IQ in developed countries is increasing much more slowly (your example being sweden). is there any evidence of rapidly increasing black iqs in developed countries?

 

[Deleted member 9344]

Blacks have little to no Neanderthal DNA. But have 11% of their genome from a "ghost population" which was probably some really ugly, dumb offshoot of Homo Erectus. Out of Africa model is a lie.

It's Homo Heidelbergensis DNA & only some West African ethnic groups have it, not all Africans. Also, Homo Erectus is the common ancestor of all modern-day humans. Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...n living,came from an isolated group of Homo

 

[Deleted member 9090]

BEYOND FUCKING RETARDED FUCK.

I said do you have ANY scientific evidence that IQ levels are ONLY affected by near starvation levels not do near starvation levels affect iq

yeah i have, the only noticeable affect is nutrition u tard, the rest is so small that it can be left out. just like @Jk257 said, u are overstating the importance of evironmental factors

 

[reptiles]

tbf what he said in that post is largely true, but I think he is very much overstating the impact of environmental factors on black IQ, especially considering most of the black people we interact with have grown up in industrialised nations, so the perception we have of black IQ isnt really significantly effected by what hes talking about

Your not accounting for female mate choice in all this either you guys seem to leave the agent out of the equation black females dont like smart men

 

[sensen]

It's Homo Heidelbergensis DNA & only some West African ethnic groups have it, not all Africans. Also, Homo Erectus is the common ancestor of all modern-day humans. Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5573301/Modern-day-people-West-Africa-carry-genes-unknown-species-human-ancestor.html#:~:text=Homo heidelbergensis was a more advanced hominin living,came from an isolated group of Homo

You seem to have missed the part I said "Out of Africa model is a lie." Science is clearly covering for it hard rn.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Stop shilling neanderthals

 

[Deleted member 6273]

The consensus is that IQ is largely genetic, especially past a certain age (counterintuitively). IQ increases as nations industrialise but this is only cancelling out the deleterious effects of poor environment (mainly nutrition). to claim that environmental factors have a predominant effect beyond this is not supported by the scientific consensus and to claim that African IQ levels will come close to European levels is undermined by the fact that poor nutrition and environment do not have the same significant impact on mean IQ among African diaspora and mixed communities in industrialised countries, yet these communities still have significantly lower IQ than their european counterparts. I would recommend you select an African wife for IQ considering changes in the economy. mean iq levels obviously make this harder but its by no means impossible or even improbable. You are an individual human being. This also has very little to do with the original post

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At no point did I deny IQ was genetic. I acknowledged this multiple times. I just said IQ wasn't solely (100%) based on genetics and people living in worse environments will express IQs lower than optimum. I never even claimed fixing environmental barriers will close racial iq gaps ffs. That's why I'm saying your straw manning my argument