Evolution is such non sense

[GuyFromSingapore]

Yes

"It says so because it says therefore the book must be true"

 

[vanillaicecream]

There can be no empirical evidence for a God not embedded within the material universe.

I have enough evidence for the existence of God through personal experience and realizations of scriptures.

Also...

Here you go

Fish avatara ~ life started on water

Boar avatara ~ land dwelling mammals, outside of the great apes phylum, the closest mammals to humans are pigs, at 95% genetic proximity

Vamana avatara / dwarf man - the aboriginal population of India are the Negrito/Andaman-Nicobarese, and they are the shortest people in the world

Parashurama avatara ~ axe-wielding man

Rama avatara ~ arrow and bow invention for hunting

Axe predates the invention of arrow and bow. And the Vishnu avatara are listed accordingly successively.

Axe - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bow and arrow - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You have "evidence of God through personal experiences"? You have got to be kidding me. There is no such thing as personal and subjective evidence to begin with and there is so much wrong with this specific argument that I don't even know where to begin. However you experienced it I'm sure you didn't take off flying or something. If you experienced was by no means supernatural which I'm sure is the case then there is absolutely no need to appeal to supernatural agents. That is the first mistake you make. If you go through a tough time and then things get better for you then I won't waste time listening to your personal revelation of god. Second you should know you are under a confirmation bias fallacy. You are choosing to conveniently interpret something as evidence of a preconceived belief. People can experience the same thing as you did and not have the thought of a god even cross their mind because it isn't a pre existing belief that they had and allowed them to interpret it that way because they so desperately want it to be the case. It is a mix of placebo affect and confirmation bias. It is a painfully bad argument that is nothing but a joke to an evolved specimen like me. Please leave.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

I mean there is so much proof in the external world that the book is logical

For example and I know this is a very bad example:
The Torah outlines how not having God/purpose in your life will make you go astray. How a society that abandons their belief in God go astray; look at state of countries where athiesm prevails/prevailed;

Having faith brings peace; you can say its all mental cope and I would argue that even if it is;
If we are playing a game of pure bet on heaven and hell being real or fake; there is nothing to lose by believing in God and trying to do good; worst= you die for eternity and theres no heaven or hell. But there is everything to lose by abandoning faith in him. And by the way I do think that all Abrahamic ; Judaism, Christianity(not includin catholic) & Islam highlight that even non believers can go to heaven if they are truly good people. But most people aren't good; and religion indeed shapes many people to turn to be good even if theyre not. In that way a nigga can say its a cult and I would agree to a degree; but most people that dont beleive in religion; believe in something else. They dont abandon that belief; they just transfer it. Their new God becomes COVID vaccine, gravity, or some other bullshit but they believe in some 'higher power' jfl and they love to talk about how religions are cult and mindcontrol while wearin their 3x face masks and 5x booster shots and shoutin at people to wear the mask and whatnot or how gender roles are a social construct or how abortion is good and healthy or whatever; point being they rejected their belief in God and made another thing their 'God' worthy of attention and necessity that everyone needs to follow

When humans abandon their gods they find something else to worship. We are naturally wired to worship Supreme beings. Humans are bred for slavery

 

[Deleted member 20670]

One species can’t transform into another lmfao

A cat doesn’t just become a whale

This still has more scientific validity than mewing and bonesmashing.

 

[vanillaicecream]

Yes

Wow, a brainless moron that is aware of how much of a brainless moron he is and will gladly continue to be one... that is new to me.

 

[Yliaster]

7 fucking thumbs up for the OP's post. Holy shit we are in a retarded forum.

Knew you motherfuckers were dumb.

I've come to realize that reacts here don't mean anything,rather it just depends on whether or not people like you

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

You have "evidence of God through personal experiences"? You have got to be kidding me. There is no such thing as personal and subjective evidence to begin with and there is so much wrong with this specific argument that I don't even know where to begin. However you experienced it I'm sure you didn't take off flying or something. If you experienced was by no means supernatural which I'm sure is the case then there is absolutely no need to appeal to supernatural agents. That is the first mistake you make. If you go through a tough time and then things get better for you then I won't waste time listening to your personal revelation of god. Second you should know you are under a confirmation bias fallacy. You are choosing to conveniently interpret something as evidence of a preconceived belief. People can experience the same thing as you did and not have the thought of a god even cross their mind because it isn't a pre existing belief that they had and allowed them to interpret it that way because they so desperately want it to be the case. It is a mix of placebo affect and confirmation bias. It is a painfully bad argument that is nothing but a joke to an evolved specimen like me. Please leave.

It's too difficult for me to quote particular phrases of your post as I'm using an Android.

All knowledge, acceptance of something is based on experience and is valid if it does not contradict logic and reality.

With that said according to Hinduism, God can make you experience physical existence that is absurd. - ignore this part as I can't find sources to quote

"appeal to supernatural" part ~ I was worshipping God and felt His presence, which affirmed to me His existence, there is a correlation, you search for a particular thing and you find it

"confirmation bias fallacy" no, I was open minded and searching for God through worship. If belief alone confirms the experiential existence of God, then every theist would resoundly affirm God. That is not the case.

"People experience the same thing and..." ~ how can not looking at the sun and seeing the sun be not correlated? How can you see the sun and it not being there?

"desperately want it to be" ~ just because you "wish" for something to be, doesn't mean it will manifest and be ontologically real.

I didn't go "oh God I know that in the depths of my heart you are real", I worshipped God and I gradually felt His presence.

A phenomena open to all. Through constant striving to connect to the Supreme of course.

 

[Rabbi]

I mean there is so much proof in the external world that the book is logical

For example and I know this is a very bad example:
The Torah outlines how not having God/purpose in your life will make you go astray. How a society that abandons their belief in God go astray; look at state of countries where athiesm prevails/prevailed;

Having faith brings peace; you can say its all mental cope and I would argue that even if it is;
If we are playing a game of pure bet on heaven and hell being real or fake; there is nothing to lose by believing in God and trying to do good; worst= you die for eternity and theres no heaven or hell. But there is everything to lose by abandoning faith in him. And by the way I do think that all Abrahamic ; Judaism, Christianity(not includin catholic) & Islam highlight that even non believers can go to heaven if they are truly good people. But most people aren't good; and religion indeed shapes many people to turn to be good even if theyre not. In that way a nigga can say its a cult and I would agree to a degree; but most people that dont beleive in religion; believe in something else. They dont abandon that belief; they just transfer it. Their new God becomes COVID vaccine, gravity, or some other bullshit but they believe in some 'higher power' jfl and they love to talk about how religions are cult and mindcontrol while wearin their 3x face masks and 5x booster shots and shoutin at people to wear the mask and whatnot or how gender roles are a social construct or how abortion is good and healthy or whatever; point being they rejected their belief in God and made another thing their 'God' worthy of attention and necessity that everyone needs to follow

I don’t deny that religion can act as a societal glue terms of shared values, culture and morality. But there’s a leap as you identified in saying it’s helpful does not add in to its truth claim.

You sort of touch on Pascal’s wager there, saying believing you have nothing to lose which I would argue is a false dichotomy because if it isn’t true you’ve essentially devoted your life to a falsehood and even if it is true, I would imagine an all knowing God wouldn’t be too happy you decided to base your faith of a statistical gamble.

 

[vanillaicecream]

It's too difficult for me to quote particular phrases of your post as I'm using an Android.

All knowledge, acceptance of something is based on experience and is valid if it does not contradict logic and reality.

With that said according to Hinduism, God can make you experience physical existence that is absurd. - ignore this part as I can't find sources to quote

"appeal to supernatural" part ~ I was worshipping God and felt His presence, which affirmed to me His existence, there is a correlation, you search for a particular thing and you find it

"confirmation bias fallacy" no, I was open minded and searching for God through worship. It belief alone confirms the experiential existence of God, then every theist would resoundly affirm God. That is not the case.

"People experience the same thing and..." ~ how can not looking at the sun and seeing the sun be not correlated? How can you see the sun and it not being there?

"desperately want it to be" ~ just because you "wish" for something to be, doesn't mean it will manifest and be ontologically real.

I didn't go "oh God I know that in the depths of my heart you are real", I worshipped God and I gradually felt His presence.

A phenomena open to all. Through constant striving to connect to the Supreme of course.

Nonsense after nonsense and logical fallacy after logical fallacy. None of this is a reasonable way to get to a god, your line of thinking and standards of evidence are laughable when it comes to this fairytale and your mind seems to have been corrupted beyond repair. Just what religion does.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

The part about God making you perceive absurd experiences

Go to Bhagavata Purana section

Markandeya - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Nonsense after nonsense and logical fallacy after logical fallacy. None of this is a reasonable way to get to a god, your line of thinking and standards of evidence are laughable when it comes to this fairytale and your mind seems to have been corrupted beyond repair. Just what religion does.

Ad hominem.

Just disregarding rather than having a mature and logical discussion.

Just as you dismissed it, you have the onus to dismantle my proposition.

Why should I listen to you, when I have an undeniable and grounded direct experience of God?

Do you look at the sun and go "maybe it doesn't exist, what if my eyes are fooling me? There's not enough evidence for it. Other people can't see it as well." lol

I know that I exist. Do I need evidence for my existence or try to prove it to other people? lol

 

[vanillaicecream]

"I was worshipping God and felt his presence"

No dude. I do believe you were worshipping some supreme being you believe to be real and I'm sorry you have such a pathetic fetish for submission and worship of higher beings, but you did not in any way shape or form feel his presence. You just had a natural human feeling and then you ascribed it to a god you believe to exist, when there is absolutely no reason to do so and you can't possibly demonstrate this is what you felt, it IS VERY MUCH confirmation bias by definition and people do this sort of stuff to validate all kinds of nonsense that they believe in. It is just pathetic to me that you're here appealing to this kind of reasoning to warrant your belief. It shouldn't convince a third grader and any person with knowledge in logic who knows how to think rationally will easily point out the mistakes in your epistemology which is just what I'm doing. Please do go on so I can again shut down your wishful thinking nonsense.

 

[vanillaicecream]

Ad hominem.

Just disregarding rather than having a mature and logical discussion.

Just as you dismissed it, you have the onus to dismantle my proposition.

Why should I listen to you, when I have an undeniable and grounded direct experience of God?

Do you look at the sun and go "maybe it doesn't exist, what if my eyes are fooling me? There's not enough evidence for it. Other people can't see it as well." lol

I know that I exist. Do I need evidence for my existence or try to prove it to other people? lol

Why the fuck should I take anyone who says stuff like "I worshipped God and felt his presence" and thinks this kind of feeling will get anyone to the truth seriously? If you have no knowledge of all psychology behind this that is making you think you believe what you do and you don't know why your methodology is flawed then I can do nothing to help you.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Ad hominem.

Just disregarding rather than having a mature and logical discussion.

Just as you dismissed it, you have the onus to dismantle my proposition.

Why should I listen to you, when I have an undeniable and grounded direct experience of God?

Do you look at the sun and go "maybe it doesn't exist, what if my eyes are fooling me? There's not enough evidence for it. Other people can't see it as well." lol

I know that I exist. Do I need evidence for my existence or try to prove it to other people? lol

As easily as you dismiss God, as easily I accept Him.

He is more real than a temporal-spatial world upon Whom it depends for existence.

I can perceive God in my dream-state and deep sleep therefore while the world is absent in both states, therefore God is more real than the world.

I have an experience you do not, by which I affirm something, by which you deny it. I know that you might affirm it as well if you experienced it as well. Therein lies our difference.

If a man travelled to a distant land and described the wonders of the place to his native who can't believe him, is it his fault? Should he assume that he imagined the whole thing because the other person rejects it?

 

[vanillaicecream]

As easily as you dismiss God, as easily I accept Him.

He is more real than a temporal-spatial world upon Whom it depends for existence.

I can perceive God in my dream-state and deep sleep therefore while the world is absent in both states, therefore God is more real than the world.

I have an experience you do not, by which I affirm something, by which you deny it. I know that you might affirm it as well if you experienced it as well. Therein lies our difference.

If a man travelled to a distant land and described the wonders of the place to his native who can't believe him, is it his fault? Should he assume that he imagined the whole thing because the other person rejects it?

You didn't experience anything close to special that should be a good reason for anyone to believe. Stop pretending like you did because you did nothing but open up your mind to something completely indistinguishable from a delusion and then you allowed your "god" to be virtually the same as natural manifestations of human feelings which which puts you in a place of someone who will inevitably have "experiences" of this god because you have already established that he NEEDS to be real (based on absolutely nothing and pure blind faith) and then you go around pretending like your wishful thinking and conveniently interpreted "experiences" come even close to being evidence of your imaginary friend. I'm sorry but I didn't go through indoctrination, I know psychology and how to spot flaws in reasoning that will stop you from getting to the truth, and I don't demand the universe operates in a way that appeases to my personal desires and feelings. This will NEVER convince me and is an absolutely disgraceful standard of evidence.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

"I was worshipping God and felt his presence"

No dude. I do believe you were worshipping some supreme being you believe to be real and I'm sorry you have such a pathetic fetish for submission and worship of higher beings, but you did not in any way shape or form feel his presence. You just had a natural human feeling and then you ascribed it to a god you believe to exist, when there is absolutely no reason to do so and you can't possibly demonstrate this is what you felt, it IS VERY MUCH confirmation bias by definition and people do this sort of stuff to validate all kinds of nonsense that they believe in. It is just pathetic to me that you're here appealing to this kind of reasoning to warrant your belief. It shouldn't convince a third grader and any person with knowledge in logic who knows how to think rationally will easily point out the mistakes in your epistemology which is just what I'm doing. Please do go on so I can again shut down your wishful thinking nonsense.

"but you did not in any way shape or form feel His presence"

Who are you? Good sir, to deny the validity of my experience?

Vain imaginings are of the mind. Based on what is perceived in the world. For example a fairy ~ "female dainty creature, insect wings" etc etc

They can be dismissed on the grounds of unlikelyhood based on probability from what is likely or through lack of concrete evidence.

In theoretical Physics, theories pave the way for experiment, not the other way around. Some theories give birth to yet others. Therefore even if a particular theory is yet unproven it cannot be said to be entirely useless or unpragmatic.

Also Pure Mathematics is almost entirely abstract, so?

God experience - cannot be "proven" because it is intimate and of the realm of the soul.

God made Himself manifest to me, He could to you as well, is it my fault that He does not make Himself manifest to you as well?

 

[Deleted member 20652]

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[vanillaicecream]

"but you did not in any way shape or form feel His presence"

Who are you? Good sir, to deny the validity of my experience?

Vain imaginings are of the mind. Based on what is perceived in the world. For example a fairy ~ "female dainty creature, insect wings" etc etc

They can be dismissed on the grounds of unlikelyhood based on probability from what is likely or through lack of concrete evidence.

In theoretical Physics, theories pave the way for experiment, not the other way around. Some theories give birth to yet others. Therefore even if a particular theory is yet unproven it cannot be said to be entirely useless or unpragmatic.

Also Pure Mathematics is almost entirely abstract, so?

God experience - cannot be "proven" because it is intimate and of the realm of the soul.

God made Himself manifest to me, He could to you as well, is it my fault that He does not make Himself manifest to you as well?

"Deny the validity of my experience"

Hahaha you are an absolutely disgrace to the field of logic. People experience all kinds of nonsense they are completely convinced of in their head you utter lunatic. How the fuck do you deny the God of someone else when they can give you the same kind of testimonies? Are your seriously telling me that because you "felt" something you have zero reason to appeal to as the reason of your feeling in the first place is indeed what you experienced and I can't sit here and deny it because you were the lunatic who experienced a delusion and is ascribing it to retarded nonsense therefore it is automatically true and undeniable? What a complete waste ld my time you are. This is why damn near every religious person is a joke to me and their brains should be resetted.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

You didn't experience anything close to special that should be a good reason for anyone to believe. Stop pretending like you did because you did nothing but open up your mind to something completely indistinguishable from a delusion and then you allowed your "god" to be virtually the same as natural manifestations of human feelings which which puts you in a place of someone who will inevitably have "experiences" of this god because you have already established that he NEEDS to be real (based on absolutely nothing and pure blind faith) and then you go around pretending like your wishful thinking and conveniently interpreted "experiences" come even close to being evidence of your imaginary friend. I'm sorry but I didn't go through indoctrination, I know psychology and how to stop flaws in reasoning that will stop you from getting to the truth, and I don't demand the universe operates in a way that appeases to my personal desires and feelings. This will NEVER convince me and is an absolutely disgraceful standard of evidence.

"...for anyone to believe..." I'm not asking you to "believe" ~ I don't "believe" in God, I KNOW God

"natural manifestations of human feelings..." No, I worshipped Him first, then emotions came like a dam later upon contact with Him

"needs to be real" No, God was directly experienced then based upon this experience directly confirmed, I didn't "assume" then seek confirmation for my supposed assumption.

"I don't demand the universe operates in accordance to my personal desires" neither do I, sometimes it co-alligns with my personal desires, sometimes it doesn't, it is not within my control

 

[vanillaicecream]

Ok lunatic. Keep rambling about lunatic beliefs and showing your complete lack of rational thinking skills.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Muh sciencerinooo

Imagine calling yourself blackpilled but having same worldview as redditors @ReadBooksEveryday

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

"Deny the validity of my experience"

Hahaha you are an absolutely disgrace to the field of logic. People experience all kinds of nonsense they are completely convinced of in their head you utter lunatic. How the fuck do you deny the God of someone else when they can give you the same kind of testimonies? Are your seriously telling me that because you "felt" something you have zero reason to appeal to as the reason of your feeling in the first place is indeed what you experienced and I can't sit here and deny it because you were the lunatic who experienced a delusion and is ascribing it to retarded nonsense therefore it is automatically true and undeniable? What a complete waste ld my time you are. This is why damn near every religious person is a joke to me and their brains should be resetted.

"people experience all of kinds of nonsense" ~ logical fallacy: generalization i.e. "people experience all kinds of" therefore "you also"

You are conflating "common hysteria" with my personal experience and dismissing it.

"How the fuck do you deny the God of someone else?..." Well for example as for Pagan Gods, their myths are outlandish, Odin/Wotan don't make sense to me theologically and don't correspond to my personal experience of the Supreme Being. Their God is anthropozoomorphic, so it cannot be the Supreme Being as the Supreme Being is Formless. Unless you say that the Supreme Being manifested in a particular form, in which case I would ask how that form is Him? It would have to represent Him symbolically someway.

Anyone can worship any entity and claim that it is "God", the question is how so? They would have to recount their experience and I would have to see if it corresponds to mine, as I can only vouch for myself. As two people can only agree upon the existence of a thing if it is shared upon in the realm of their existence.

Many cultures claim that ghosts exist, but do they really exist?

Just because YOU decide that my experience is invalid does not mean it is invalid. Who are YOU? What credibility do you have? How does your denial dismiss the validity of my experience?

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

I don’t deny that religion can act as a societal glue terms of shared values, culture and morality. But there’s a leap as you identified in saying it’s helpful does not add in to its truth claim.

You sort of touch on Pascal’s wager there, saying believing you have nothing to lose which I would argue is a false dichotomy because if it isn’t true you’ve essentially devoted your life to a falsehood and even if it is true, I would imagine an all knowing God wouldn’t be too happy you decided to base your faith of a statistical gamble.

Theres just way too many things tellin me this life is finite and not the real deal of whats to come. I mean, we can die at any instant, lose our parents at any moment. Hell even in the perfect slayer life you could lose your dick eventually (jfl some niggas are already losin their erection at like 22 ) . Plus the you can be born with it all or be born with nothing.. theres too many nexuses; and we all know life ain't fair.
I believe God blesses some people far more than others; and that there gotta be smthn more than this life cuz this world is a hell.

My 2cents

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Ok lunatic. Keep rambling about lunatic beliefs and showing your complete lack of rational thinking skills.

It does not contradict rationality.

If I posit or experience the existence of a particular object, the onus is upon me to prove the existence of the object through hypothesis or actual discovery.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

@vanillaicecream

God is NOT a common, shared, object of reality, otherwise all sound minded truthful people would unanimously agree and His existence and accepted fact.

Please discuss with civility.

 

[vanillaicecream]

"people experience all of kinds of nonsense" ~ logical fallacy: generalization i.e. "people experience all kinds of" therefore "you also"

You are conflating "common hysteria" with my personal experience and dismissing it.

"How the fuck do you deny the God of someone else?..." Well for example as for Pagan Gods, their myths are outlandish, Odin/Wotan don't make sense to me theologically and don't correspond to my personal experience of the Supreme Being. Their God is anthropozoomorphic, so it cannot be the Supreme Being as the Supreme Being is Formless. Unless you say that the Supreme Being manifested in a particular form, in which case I would ask how that form is Him? It would have to represent Him symbolically someway.

Anyone can worship any entity and claim that it is "God", the question is how so? They would have to recount their experience and I would have to see if it corresponds to mine, as I can only vouch for myself. As two people can only agree upon the existence of a thing if it is shared upon in the realm of their existence.

Many cultures claim that ghosts exist, but do they really exist?

Just because YOU decide that my experience is invalid does not mean it is invalid. Who are YOU? What credibility do you have? How does your denial dismiss the validity of my experience?

Yes, and here you are experiencing a manifestation of chemical products in your brain and then taking a huge unnecessary extra step towards a "god" and thinking this is a reliable pathway to truth. Mind blowing.

 

[vanillaicecream]

@vanillaicecream

God is NOT a common, shared, object of reality, otherwise all sound minded truthful people would unanimously agree and His existence and accepted fact.

Please discuss with civility.

God is nothing because no such thing exists and "his" existence is a much of a thing as an invisible teapot orbiting Jupiter.. The fact that you use human pronouns to describe the supposed creator of a universe in which we are a speck of sand makes this even more of a pitiful joke to me.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

@vanillaicecream

If I tried to convince you that something exists, then I would have to show you evidence for it's existence or describe it to you through personal testimony, you would have to gauge it yourself and decide whether you want to accept.

Human beings believe in all sorts of bullshit. Especially the dumber they are.

Our understanding of the world, natural phenomena is getting more and more refined. What was accepted yesterday becomes rejected tomorrow based upon HOW CONVINCING IT IS.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Yes, and here you are experiencing a manifestation of chemical products in your brain and then taking a huge unnecessary extra step towards a "god" and thinking this is a reliable pathway to truth. Mind blowing.

"chemicals" every human experience is neurochemical.

Just because love is neurochemical, does it mean it's vapid? lol

 

[vanillaicecream]

Goodbye good sir, keep living in blissful ignorance.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

God is nothing because no such thing exists and "his" existence is a much of a thing as an invisible teapot orbiting Jupiter.. The fact that you use human pronouns to describe the supposed creator of a universe in which we are a speck of sand makes this even more of a pitiful joke to me.

Conflation. God is compared and equated to your own example of something fanciful and disregarded as equally absurd and unlikely in your case "invisible teapot"

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Goodbye good sir, keep living in blissful ignorance.

1) these are all words that we are exchanging

2) words need to come to some sort of conclusion, be informative otherwise they are redundant

3) either you accept my premise, or I yours, or we both concede ignorance

4) God is an experience, not a discussion, we can talk all day, this discussion has to lead someone closer to God

 

[autistic_tendencies]

7 fucking thumbs up for the OP's post. Holy shit we are in a retarded forum.

Knew you motherfuckers were dumb.

In labs evolution only works with minor adaptations.
You can’t just hop onto another species lol