Eye: Male vs Female

[Deleted member 10987]

That’s literally the nasal fat pad.

“Hooding” is usually used to refer to the central portion of the eyelid being covered by fat, not medial. That doesn’t change that the medial is still covered by fat when people talk about “epicanthal fold”.

Hooding is fat above the eye
Epicanthus fold is skin
It shows

 

[MisterMercedes]

Hooding is fat above the eye
Epicanthus fold is skin
It shows
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Saying it’s skin doesn’t change that it’s literally located where a basic anatomy picture will show the location of the nasal fat pad.

Again, fat pads are directly under skin. Larger fat pads will affect the appearance of the skin.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Saying it’s skin doesn’t change that it’s literally located where a basic anatomy picture will show the location of the nasal fat pad.

Again, fat pads are directly under skin. Larger fat pads will affect the appearance of the skin.

Still its only words that change
Beside asians
Its rare to have epicanthus

 

[MisterMercedes]

Still its only words that change
Beside asians
Its rare to have epicanthus

If you mean the medial portion of the eyelid being completely covered by fat, yes it’s rare in caucasians.

That’s why I said slight epicanthal folds are common, not full ones like Asians.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

If you mean the medial portion of the eyelid being completely covered by fat, yes it’s rare in caucasians.

That’s why I said slight epicanthal folds are common, not full ones like Asians.

Then what is monolids ?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Then what is monolids ?

General term used to describe the eyelid being completely covered by fat.

Example:

 

[Deleted member 10987]

General term used to describe the eyelid being completely covered by fat.

Example:

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Look more like a layer of skin tbh
Visually for me this is full fat hooding

 

[MisterMercedes]

Look more like a layer of skin tbh
Visually for me this is full fat hooding
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I don’t know what to tell you. It’s literally fat.

The reason it looks like skin is because fat pads are directly under skin.

That guy looks like he has prominent supraorbital rims.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

I don’t know what to tell you. It’s literally fat.

The reason it looks like skin is because fat pads are directly under skin.

That guy looks like he has prominent supraorbital rims.

>prominent supraorbital rims
Its like chinese for me
Explain what are those please ?

 

[MisterMercedes]

>prominent supraorbital rims
Its like chinese for me
Explain what are those please ?

Explain what?

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Explain what?

What are prominent supraorbital rims ?

 

[buckchadley31]

>prominent supraorbital rims
Its like chinese for me
Explain what are those please ?

No need to talk to this nigger. He's a known autist here.

@MisterMercedes
MONOfuckingLIDS. A skin fucking fold on the upper fucking eyelid. How's that so fucking hard to grasp you brainless fuck

 

[Deleted member 10987]

No need to talk to this nigger. He's a known autist here.

@MisterMercedes
MONOfuckingLIDS. A skin fucking fold on the upper fucking eyelid. How's that so fucking hard to grasp you brainless fuck

?

 

[MisterMercedes]

What are prominent supraorbital rims ?

Rims that are large or protrusive in the horizontal direction. Large rims are a male dimorphism trait, small are feminine.

Small vs prominent rims:

 

[buckchadley31]

?

Annoying autistic faggot keeps saying monolids are just fat

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Annoying autistic faggot keeps saying monolids are just fat

Yeah i know

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Just because Gandy and Salih have it doesn’t mean it’s a masculine trait.

No it’s conventionally an attractive female trait, not male.

Ideal IPD is about the average you’ll find for a male; Brad Pitt and DiCaprio both have ideal IPD.

Yes, length of the eye should be equal to intercanthal distance. Examples:

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I love the way you explain, thanks so much for the reply

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Also fat pads are directly under skin so the size of the fat pad will affect what the skin looks like.

Who has the ideal eye area as per you?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Just because Gandy and Salih have it doesn’t mean it’s a masculine trait.

No it’s conventionally an attractive female trait, not male.

Ideal IPD is about the average you’ll find for a male; Brad Pitt and DiCaprio both have ideal IPD.

Yes, length of the eye should be equal to intercanthal distance. Examples:

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Is there a number for the ideal inter-canthal distance? I have heard that 7 cm is the ideal, is this legitimate?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Who has the ideal eye area as per you?

I don’t know about ideal but in terms of masculinity/dimorphism, I’d say Damian Alvarez is up there:

Very High IPD, high PFL, very high cheekbones, high nasal bridge, very prominent supraorbital rims, mildly prominent brow, low, very thick eyebrows with good length, prominent nasal bridge, good degree of PCT, long eyelashes, green color makes them more striking.

When people talk about “hunter eyes”, this is what comes to mind. Only thing that isn’t great is his horizontal cheekbone position or orbital vector.

Other periorbital areas high in dimorphism are O’ Pry, Basso, Gandy, DiCaprio, Salih, Momoa, DiCaprio.

I hesitate to include Barrett due to his weak brow, nasal bridge, and horizontal cheekbone position. Also his IPD and PFL, which would be ideal on a skull with normal width like O’ Pry or DiCaprio, doesn’t harmonize with his wide skull. Same with his eyebrow length.

He does have high cheekbones, nasal bridge, and prominent supraorbital rims, and his eyebrows are pretty thick.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Is there a number for the ideal inter-canthal distance? I have heard that 7 cm is the ideal, is this legitimate?

I don’t know the exact measurement. It’s typically the average intercanthal distance.

Again, Brad Pitt, DiCaprio, Evangeline Lily. Those are examples of ideal IPD and PFL as per facial fifths.

7 cm is definitely not the ideal intercanthal distance. Average male IPD is not even 7 cm, ideal intercanthal distance is much lower.

 

[StrangerDanger]

I don’t know about ideal but in terms of masculinity/dimorphism, I’d say Damian Alvarez is up there:

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Very High IPD, high PFL, very high cheekbones, high nasal bridge, very prominent supraorbital rims, mildly prominent brow, low, very thick eyebrows with good length, prominent nasal bridge, good degree of PCT, long eyelashes, green color makes them more striking.

When people talk about “hunter eyes”, this is what comes to mind. Only thing that isn’t great is his horizontal cheekbone position or orbital vector.

Other periorbital areas high in dimorphism are O’ Pry, Basso, Gandy, DiCaprio, Salih, Momoa, DiCaprio.

I hesitate to include Barrett due to his weak brow, nasal bridge, and horizontal cheekbone position. Also his IPD and PFL, which would be ideal on a skull with normal width like O’ Pry or DiCaprio, doesn’t harmonize with his wide skull. Same with his eyebrow length.

He does have high cheekbones, nasal bridge, and prominent supraorbital rims, and his eyebrows are pretty thick.

What causes the eyebrows to bend straight and long like this in side profile

 

[MisterMercedes]

What causes the eyebrows to bend straight and long like this in side profile
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Could you be more specific? The guys whose eyebrows seem to go straight up in side profile without going down like O’ Pry typically have shorter eyebrow tails.

Compare O’ Pry and Ballou’s tail length/fullness in side profile:

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[StrangerDanger]

Could you be more specific? The guys whose eyebrows seem to go straight up in side profile without going down like O’ Pry typically have shorter eyebrow tails.

Compare O’ Pry and Ballou’s tail length/fullness in side profile:

https://i2.wp.com/fashionablymale.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tyson-ballou2.jpg?resize=490%2C651

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It's difficult to explain, this user also has it but I suppose it could be the tails. Although I only see it on people with browridges. Maybe the browridge/glabella pulls them forward and thus making it longer from the side?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

I don’t know the exact measurement. It’s typically the average intercanthal distance.

Again, Brad Pitt, DiCaprio, Evangeline Lily. Those are examples of ideal IPD and PFL as per facial fifths.

7 cm is definitely not the ideal intercanthal distance. Average male IPD is not even 7 cm, ideal intercanthal distance is much lower.

Oh sorry, I made a mistake, I meant inter-pupillary distance ideal being 7 cm

 

[Deleted member 13928]

That model dude clenching his jaw in the gif looks so aesthetic

 

[Deleted member 13928]

I don’t know about ideal but in terms of masculinity/dimorphism, I’d say Damian Alvarez is up there:

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Very High IPD, high PFL, very high cheekbones, high nasal bridge, very prominent supraorbital rims, mildly prominent brow, low, very thick eyebrows with good length, prominent nasal bridge, good degree of PCT, long eyelashes, green color makes them more striking.

When people talk about “hunter eyes”, this is what comes to mind. Only thing that isn’t great is his horizontal cheekbone position or orbital vector.

Other periorbital areas high in dimorphism are O’ Pry, Basso, Gandy, DiCaprio, Salih, Momoa, DiCaprio.

I hesitate to include Barrett due to his weak brow, nasal bridge, and horizontal cheekbone position. Also his IPD and PFL, which would be ideal on a skull with normal width like O’ Pry or DiCaprio, doesn’t harmonize with his wide skull. Same with his eyebrow length.

He does have high cheekbones, nasal bridge, and prominent supraorbital rims, and his eyebrows are pretty thick.

Are ideal supraorbitals straight and slightly curved at the ends?. Like Gandy and Salih have?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Are ideal supraorbitals straight and slightly curved at the ends?. Like Gandy and Salih have?

All supraorbital rims are of the same slant besides cheekbone position and nasal bridge length.

Gandy and Salih both have high cheekbones (masculine) but short nasal bridges (feminine) so their supraorbital rim “slant” is both masculine and feminine.

 

[Deleted member 13928]

All supraorbital rims are of the same slant besides cheekbone position and nasal bridge length.

Gandy and Salih both have high cheekbones (masculine) but short nasal bridges (feminine) so their supraorbital rim “slant” is both masculine and feminine.

I meant, when you look at O’Pry, the area above his upper eyelid is completely flat throughout, but Gandy’s and Salih’s are slightly curved at the end, is it because O’Pry’s Supra-orbitals are completely straight?
Also whose eye area would you consider to be better or ideal?, Gandy and Salih’s or O’Pry and Damian Alvarez’s?
Thanks

 

[Deleted member 10987]

I don’t know about ideal but in terms of masculinity/dimorphism, I’d say Damian Alvarez is up there:

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Very High IPD, high PFL, very high cheekbones, high nasal bridge, very prominent supraorbital rims, mildly prominent brow, low, very thick eyebrows with good length, prominent nasal bridge, good degree of PCT, long eyelashes, green color makes them more striking.

When people talk about “hunter eyes”, this is what comes to mind. Only thing that isn’t great is his horizontal cheekbone position or orbital vector.

Other periorbital areas high in dimorphism are O’ Pry, Basso, Gandy, DiCaprio, Salih, Momoa, DiCaprio.

I hesitate to include Barrett due to his weak brow, nasal bridge, and horizontal cheekbone position. Also his IPD and PFL, which would be ideal on a skull with normal width like O’ Pry or DiCaprio, doesn’t harmonize with his wide skull. Same with his eyebrow length.

He does have high cheekbones, nasal bridge, and prominent supraorbital rims, and his eyebrows are pretty thick.

10/10 eyes

 

[MisterMercedes]

I meant, when you look at O’Pry, the area above his upper eyelid is completely flat throughout, but Gandy’s and Salih’s are slightly curved at the end, is it because O’Pry’s Supra-orbitals are completely straight?
Also whose eye area would you consider to be better or ideal?, Gandy and Salih’s or O’Pry and Damian Alvarez’s?
Thanks

I can’t tell any difference between the “straightness” of their upper eye fat pads.

Please be specific as to what difference you’re noticing.

That second question is tough.

In terms of dimorphism, Damian Alvarez is “best”.

O’ Pry and Gandy are close. Gandy has higher IPD, PFL, more prominent glabella, and thicker eyebrows.

However, O’ Pry has longer nasal bridge, longer eyebrows, and larger supraorbital ridges.

Salish is the least dimorphic due to nasal bridge length, protrusion, and brow protrusion. Still very dimorphic (high cheekbones, low, thick, long brows, prominent supraorbital rims, etc.).

 

[StrangerDanger]

I can’t tell any difference between the “straightness” of their upper eye fat pads.
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Please be specific as to what difference you’re noticing.

That second question is tough.

In terms of dimorphism, Damian Alvarez is “best”.

O’ Pry and Gandy are close. Gandy has higher IPD, PFL, more prominent glabella, and thicker eyebrows.

However, O’ Pry has longer nasal bridge, longer eyebrows, and larger supraorbital ridges.

Salish is the least dimorphic due to nasal bridge length, protrusion, and brow protrusion. Still very dimorphic (high cheekbones, low, thick, long brows, prominent supraorbital rims, etc.).

O'Pry has 69mm IPD which is higher than Gandys but then again his skull is wider aswell
Is the reason why O'Prys hooding look better because he has more forward supraorbitals? Gandys fatpads looks saggy in comparision

 

[MisterMercedes]

O'Pry has 69mm IPD which is higher than Gandys but then again his skull is wider aswell
Is the reason why O'Prys hooding look better because he has more forward supraorbitals? Gandys fatpads looks saggy in comparision
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I don’t know how you got that.

Gandy has a higher IPD. Only reason it may seem similar to O’ Pry is Gandy has higher PFL which makes his eye fifths equal to intercanthal distance.

They have the same skull width as well.

 

[StrangerDanger]

I don’t know how you got that.

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Gandy has a higher IPD. Only reason it may seem similar to O’ Pry is Gandy has higher PFL which makes his eye fifths equal to intercanthal distance.

They have the same skull width as well.

From this guy on lookism who have done a chart with absolute measurements by using the iris method

 

[MisterMercedes]

From this guy on lookism who have done a chart with absolute measurements by using the iris method

Can’t read the method.

 

[StrangerDanger]

Can’t read the method.

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[Deleted member 13928]

I can’t tell any difference between the “straightness” of their upper eye fat pads.
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Please be specific as to what difference you’re noticing.

That second question is tough.

In terms of dimorphism, Damian Alvarez is “best”.

O’ Pry and Gandy are close. Gandy has higher IPD, PFL, more prominent glabella, and thicker eyebrows.

However, O’ Pry has longer nasal bridge, longer eyebrows, and larger supraorbital ridges.

Salish is the least dimorphic due to nasal bridge length, protrusion, and brow protrusion. Still very dimorphic (high cheekbones, low, thick, long brows, prominent supraorbital rims, etc.).

Gandy's slightly curved at the ends

While O'Pry's are straight throughout
Could you also please anaylse me over a private conversation?, I have some doubts to be cleared

 

[AscendingHero]

There a two main differences between the male and female periorbital area: size and protrusion.

Size

Male eyes often appear smaller due to the fact that males, on average, have higher cheekbones and nasal bridges than women.
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High cheekbones and nasal bridges are also survival traits: high cheekbones means the eyes and brain (as the zygomatic arch is higher) are better protected, high nasal bridge means the eyes are better protected as well.

When the cheekbones are higher, the lateral canthus and lateral portion of the lower eyelid is higher relative to the upper eyelid, making the lateral portion of the eye look smaller as there is less scelera visible. When the nasal bridge is higher, the medial can thus and medial portion of the eyelid is higher relative to the upper eyelid, making the medial portion of the eye look smaller. When both lateral and medial can thi are higher, the entire lower lid is higher.

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Brad Pitt has high cheekbones and nasal bridge, and, as a result, his canthand lower lid are higher relative to the upper eyelid, making his eyes look smaller.

Compare that to Angelina Jolie, who has low cheekbones and nasal bridge:

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And just to avoid the accusation of cherry-picking pictures:

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Protrusion

Male eyes often appear less protrusive or exposed than female eyes, but this difference is an illusion created by surrounding bones.

#1: Glabella/brow ridges

This difference is the most well known. The frontal sinus (cavity behind the glabella) enlarge as a result of testosterone, which makes the glabella more prominent relative to the eyes. This makes the eyes appear deeper set:

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#2: Nasal bridge

I rarely see this talked about here, but has a big impact on how deep set the eyes appear. Males tend to have more prominent or protrusive nasal bridges than women, which makes the eyes better protected.

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#3: Supraorbital rim

This is perhaps the most favorite but least understood aspect on this forum. The male supraorbital rim tends to be more prominent and extends farther past the eyeball than the female’s. This again makes the eyes better protected and appear deeper set. However, it also plays a big role in how “hooded” the eye is, or how much the upper eyelid is covered by fat. The more prominent the supraorbital rim is, the more forward positioned the fat pad will be relative to the upper eyelid, covering it more with fat.

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Compare DiCaprio’s side profile to Winslet’s. Their fat pads are about the same size, but DiCaprio’s Supra orbital rim is much more prominent, and his eyelid is thus more concealed by the upper eye fat pad.

Quick note: brow ridge has no impact on hooding. Upper eye fat pads are located under and slightly behind the Supra orbital rim.

The only factors impacting hooding are supraorbital rim projection and fat pad size/descent path.

Asians tend to have little supraorbital rim prominence, but their upper eye fat pad descends anterior to the upper eyelid regardless of rim projection, most likely as a response to cold environment.

Asian eye:

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Prominent supraorbital rim:
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There are many ways to spot this difference. Asian fat pad will go straight down as opposed to backward like Barrett’s. Asian eye will appear less deep set as the supraorbital rim is actually lacking prominence as opposed to Barrett’s, which is very prominent. And the eyebrows will be much more forward relative to the eye when the Supra orbital rim is prominent, unless they are so arched that they sit above the Supra orbital rim.

#4: Zygomatic

This one also isn’t talked about a whole lot. Not sure yet if this is a dimorphic trait, but it certainly is a survival trait. “Forward grown zygos” means that the zygomatic process of the temporal is long, thus making the zygomatic more forward positioned relative to the eyeball, which makes the eyeball better protected. Also a youthful trait as the zygomatic process of temporal recedes as we get older, making thepositioned farther back relative to the eyeball.

When this happens, the lateral can thus and lateral portion of the eyelid are more forward to the eye, making it appear deeper set. Also contributes to “positive orbital vector”.


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#5: Eyebrows/eyelashes

Males have thicker, more dense, lower brows than women, making the eyes better protected. Again, not sure about the dimorphism of eyelashes, but long, thick eyelashes also make the eyes better protected, and are a sign of youth/fertility.

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Somewhat thick eyebrows can also be attractive on women as they are a sign of testosterone/high sex drive:
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#6: Canthal tilt

Forgot to cover this. Females tend to have sharper infraorbital rims. This means the nasal bridge is lower relative to the zygomatic, creating higher degrees of PCT. Male eyes are closer to neutral tilt due to higher nasal bridges.

Male:
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Female:
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Questions

1) What is the difference between supraorbital rim and browridge? I see alot of users mix the two up and I have also

2) What causes Superorbital rim projection?

3) What causes infraorbital rim projection?

4) What would you say is the ideal canthal tilt for men?

5) Does maxillary projection, width and posture have an effect on any of this?

 

[AscendingHero]

Rims that are large or protrusive in the horizontal direction. Large rims are a male dimorphism trait, small are feminine.

Small vs prominent rims:

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would you say prominent supraorbital rims are more important for eye area than sheer browridge size in terms of aesthetics? Ik browridges have an evolutionary and survival aspect to them.

Also what causes prominent infra glabellar notches?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

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Questions

1) What is the difference between supraorbital rim and browridge? I see alot of users mix the two up and I have also

2) What causes Superorbital rim projection?

3) What causes infraorbital rim projection?

4) What would you say is the ideal canthal tilt for men?

5) Does maxillary projection, width and posture have an effect on any of this?

I can tell for one that men should have anything between 4-6 degrees of positive canthal tilt, 3 degrees is also nice enough, anything more than that is feminine, once it reaches 8-10 degrees it becomes extremely feminine

 

[Phillybeard1996]

I can tell for one that men should have anything between 4-6 degrees of positive canthal tilt, 3 degrees is also nice enough, anything more than that is feminine, once it reaches 8-10 degrees it becomes extremely feminine

Do you know any male models that have between 8-10 degreees?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Do you know any male models that have between 8-10 degreees?

I am not exactly sure, but Salih does have more than maximum ideal of 6 degrees -

I am guessing he has 8 degrees positive canthal tilt

 

[Phillybeard1996]

I am not exactly sure, but Salih does have more than maximum ideal of 6 degrees -
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I am guessing he has 8 degrees positive canthal tilt

Still looks good on him

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Still looks good on him

Yeah, it really does, cause it harmonizes well with his face, it would be too much on someone like Pitt

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Yeah, it really does, cause it harmonizes well with his face, it would be too much on someone like Pitt

Are hooded eyes a masculine trait?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Are hooded eyes a masculine trait?

Yes, hooded eyes are a masculine trait, they don’t look all that good on women. Olivia Munn changed her hooded eyes through surgery for the same reason -

 

[Chinlet Ascension]

Rims that are large or protrusive in the horizontal direction. Large rims are a male dimorphism trait, small are feminine.

Small vs prominent rims:

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This comparison really puts things in perspective.

How good would hte average Asian look with a strong brow?

 

[MisterMercedes]

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Questions

1) What is the difference between supraorbital rim and browridge? I see alot of users mix the two up and I have also

2) What causes Superorbital rim projection?

3) What causes infraorbital rim projection?

4) What would you say is the ideal canthal tilt for men?

5) Does maxillary projection, width and posture have an effect on any of this?

1) “Brow ridge is a term used to refer to the glabella and supraorbital ridges.

These together form the “brow ridge”.

Supraorbital rim, on the other hand, is below the Supra orbital ridge, and attaches to the zygomatic bone laterally and frontal process of maxilla medially:

2) Supraorbital rim projection is determined by the size of the Supra orbital rim. Large rims are a male dimorphic trait, small are feminine. Again, this is influenced by androgen exposure.

3) Infraorbital rim projection, often measured by orbital vector, is determined by the transverse position of the zygomatic bone, which is in turn determined by the length of the zygomatic process of temporal bone.

4) Ideal canthal tilt is what falls under the average, so for a male that would be 2-6 degrees of PCT.

5) A downswung maxilla or high occlusal plane can rotate the cheekbones down and back, but other than that, it doesn’t influence the above things. You most likely don’t have a high occlusal plane.

 

[AscendingHero]

3) Infraorbital rim projection, often measured by orbital vector, is determined by the transverse position of the zygomatic bone, which is in turn determined by the length of the zygomatic process of temporal bone.

What does the zygomatic process of the temporal bone mean?

So you're saying orbital vector and under eye support is determined by the width of the zygos?

2) Supraorbital rim projection is determined by the size of the Supra orbital rim. Large rims are a male dimorphic trait, small are feminine. Again, this is influenced by androgen exposure.

Can Pubertal T affect supraorbital rim size? Ik the frontal sinuses and the supraorbital ridges don't fully develop until the 20's or even later.

 

[MisterMercedes]

What does the zygomatic process of the temporal bone mean?

So you're saying orbital vector and under eye support is determined by the width of the zygos?

Can Pubertal T affect supraorbital rim size? Ik the frontal sinuses and the supraorbital ridges don't fully develop until the 20's or even later.

Zygomatic process of temporal bone, as I’ve told you before, is the red:

Sorry, by transverse I meant from the side. In other words, saggital position of the zygomatic bone.

I think supraorbital rim size is mostly determined by prenatal androgen exposure. If you look at guys with prominent rims like DiCaprio or O’ Pry, they had them by middle of childhood.

Most research shows frontal sinus stops developing around age 18.