Facepulling

[Deleted member 14848]

I know a lot of u here think that facepulling is utter cope for adults but why did no orthodontist ever treat someone with bone anchored facepulling?
Tooth anchored facepulling mainly advances the lower maxilla with cw rotation so the aesthatic outcomes are minor in most cases

Understanding the monkey experiments that inspired mewing - My Posture and Orthodontics Blog

Perhaps the aforementioned monkey experiments provide a very compelling argument for mewing. Namely that given proper stimulation facial bones can change even in adults. But, since those experiments were conducted by established academicians how come they never influenced mainstream...

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In monkeys the whole maxillary-zygomatic complex got advanced many mms in a few months
the monkeys were adults and this proves that maxillary protraction is possible in adult mammals

and this 6 year old simulation looks insane too where a potential 42- year old make would get ccw rotation of the whole maxilla which wouldn't even be possible with a lefort 3

The efficacy of maxillary protraction protocols with the micro-implant-assisted rapid palatal expander (MARPE) and the novel N2 mini-implant—a finite element study - Progress in Orthodontics

Background Maxillary protraction with the novel N2 mini-implant- and micro-implant-assisted rapid palatal expander (MARPE) can potentially provide significant skeletal effects without surgery, even in older patients where conventional facemask therapy has limited skeletal effects. However, the...

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Facepulling could give a similiar advancement to a lefort but it would look way more natural, less risky and much cheaper
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@germanlooks
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[thereallegend]

I'm definitely open to this. I've been facepulling for a few weeks and feel like it's been helping me.

 

[Deleted member 8758]

pic is simulation srry

 

[Deleted member 14848]

pic is simulation srry

like I said ...

 

[SAR]

I know a lot of u here think that facepulling is utter cope for adults but why did no orthodontist ever treat someone with bone anchored facepulling?
Tooth anchored facepulling mainly advances the lower maxilla with cw rotation so the aesthatic outcomes are minor in most cases

Understanding the monkey experiments that inspired mewing - My Posture and Orthodontics Blog

Perhaps the aforementioned monkey experiments provide a very compelling argument for mewing. Namely that given proper stimulation facial bones can change even in adults. But, since those experiments were conducted by established academicians how come they never influenced mainstream...

www.aljabri.com

In monkeys the whole maxillary-zygomatic complex got advanced many mms in a few months
the monkeys were adults and this proves that maxillary protraction is possible in adult mammals
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and this 6 year old simulation looks insane too where a potential 42- year old make would get ccw rotation of the whole maxilla which wouldn't even be possible with a lefort 3

The efficacy of maxillary protraction protocols with the micro-implant-assisted rapid palatal expander (MARPE) and the novel N2 mini-implant—a finite element study - Progress in Orthodontics

Background Maxillary protraction with the novel N2 mini-implant- and micro-implant-assisted rapid palatal expander (MARPE) can potentially provide significant skeletal effects without surgery, even in older patients where conventional facemask therapy has limited skeletal effects. However, the...

progressinorthodontics.springeropen.com

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Facepulling could give a similiar advancement to a lefort but it would look way more natural, less risky and much cheaper
@LooksOverAll
@germanlooks
@PikachuCandy

It just makes maxilla more prognatic. This is not solution for recessed people. What do we want? We want projection of the whole face (including upper part of it).

 

[noprogressno]

It just makes maxilla more prognatic. This is not solution for recessed people. What do we want? We want projection of the whole face (including upper part of it).

This(see attachment)sort of thing will protract the whole area of maxilla plus cheekbones as well unlike lefort though if let's say this worked. Because unlike lefort there is no cuts made. Do you know why people try facemask with mse even though it does not work? Its because theoretically once 1 suture is split other sutures become slightly distrupted, orthodontist try to take advantage of this by giving patients facemask, but of course it does not work on adults most of the time because just a slight distruption of pterygomaxillary sutures in an adults case is not enough and even if it does work its maybe half a mm and this is not noticeable to the eye, brings no aesthetical improvement. Unlike mse+ facemask this sort of protraction would distrupt, well maybe distrupt is not the correct word, ''displace'' most of the maxillary sutures if enough force could be delivered and maybe distrupt other sutures as well unlike mse+facemask or lefort Honestly I wish people on this forum put a little more effort to discuss this. Threads like this are chronically abandonded. Now that we have mse, achieving this must be closer. Just somebody needs to invent some sort of mechanism that could directly deliver the same amount of force that is needed to split the midpalatal suture onto maxilla with mse safely but instead of doing it transversally like mse, delivering that force by protraction. The force that is needed to split the other maxillary sutures must be similar to the force that is needed to split the midpalatal suture, or maybe a little bit more. But there is no studies actively ongoing about this issue other than a few computer made predictions which are much more different than real animal trials or human trials...

 

[Deleted member 8856]

Facepulling with a belt is the only reason my maxilla isnt in the back of my skull anymore.

 

[Deleted member 14848]

It just makes maxilla more prognatic. This is not solution for recessed people. What do we want? We want projection of the whole face (including upper part of it).

This(see attachment)sort of thing will protract the whole area of maxilla plus cheekbones as well unlike lefort though if let's say this worked. Because unlike lefort there is no cuts made. Do you know why people try facemask with mse even though it does not work? Its because theoretically once 1 suture is split other sutures become slightly distrupted, orthodontist try to take advantage of this by giving patients facemask, but of course it does not work on adults most of the time because just a slight distruption of pterygomaxillary sutures in an adults case is not enough and even if it does work its maybe half a mm and this is not noticeable to the eye, brings no aesthetical improvement. Unlike mse+ facemask this sort of protraction would distrupt, well maybe distrupt is not the correct word, ''displace'' most of the maxillary sutures if enough force could be delivered and maybe distrupt other sutures as well unlike mse+facemask or lefort Honestly I wish people on this forum put a little more effort to discuss this. Threads like this are chronically abandonded. Now that we have mse, achieving this must be closer. Just somebody needs to invent some sort of mechanism that could directly deliver the same amount of force that is needed to split the midpalatal suture onto maxilla with mse safely but instead of doing it transversally like mse, delivering that force by protraction. The force that is needed to split the other maxillary sutures must be similar to the force that is needed to split the midpalatal suture, or maybe a little bit more. But there is no studies actively ongoing about this issue other than a few computer made predictions which are much more different than real animal trials or human trials...

I agree with @EarlGrey tho that the brow ridge would lack in some cases
In my case brow ridge projection is decent but maxilla isn't
But even brow ridge projection aka anterior cranial length isn't just genetic but highly dependent on masticatory muscle usage and therefore diet

 

[noprogressno]

That is my case too. I have some idea about how to use mse as a protraction device without molar bands but probably its a shitty idea. I might make a tread about it

 

[whiteissuperior]

This(see attachment)sort of thing will protract the whole area of maxilla plus cheekbones as well unlike lefort though if let's say this worked. Because unlike lefort there is no cuts made. Do you know why people try facemask with mse even though it does not work? Its because theoretically once 1 suture is split other sutures become slightly distrupted, orthodontist try to take advantage of this by giving patients facemask, but of course it does not work on adults most of the time because just a slight distruption of pterygomaxillary sutures in an adults case is not enough and even if it does work its maybe half a mm and this is not noticeable to the eye, brings no aesthetical improvement. Unlike mse+ facemask this sort of protraction would distrupt, well maybe distrupt is not the correct word, ''displace'' most of the maxillary sutures if enough force could be delivered and maybe distrupt other sutures as well unlike mse+facemask or lefort Honestly I wish people on this forum put a little more effort to discuss this. Threads like this are chronically abandonded. Now that we have mse, achieving this must be closer. Just somebody needs to invent some sort of mechanism that could directly deliver the same amount of force that is needed to split the midpalatal suture onto maxilla with mse safely but instead of doing it transversally like mse, delivering that force by protraction. The force that is needed to split the other maxillary sutures must be similar to the force that is needed to split the midpalatal suture, or maybe a little bit more. But there is no studies actively ongoing about this issue other than a few computer made predictions which are much more different than real animal trials or human trials...

why is no one researching this