Facial Points Are Really Hard To Increase

[Deleted member 2214]

For example, heightmaxxing is simple to describe.

You get your development and twist it a bit, get hormones if you can, reopen growth plates, get supplements, blah blah blah you get the point, and eventually you reach your goal because it's an objective measurement.

However, face isn't something you can judge at first sight objectively, especially if you're a non-goodlooking person looking at an ugly person and then seeing "what's deformed/uncanny" just to realize that it doesn't matter.

Every surgery and implants you get, no matter how minor or painful will only increase your face by like 0.5 at best, and that's not with PSL, assuming your surgery and gene fraud passes in the first place (not sticking out).

Now combine softmaxxing related flaws such as acne or scarring or collagen or nose tip etc. and your entire face as a whole becomes a complex puzzle which you're always gonna be missing a piece from unless you're lucky enough to be born really goodlooking.

I remember MakinItHappen making a post about this way back in like February back when that narcy ginger guy was still around, with some users telling him that he used his fringe haircut to hide his narrow IPD and his deformed watermelon skull jfl, and MakinItHappen making a very valid point which I doubted at first but it seems legit now that i've though about it: Nobody goes from 3/10 to 7/10, EVEN with surgery. The only real exceptions to this are mostly non genetic stuff (skin eczema, acne, green undertones causes by sickness) or being fat.

But if your BASE: Your soft tissue, your bone features. your nose bridge and bone, your browridge (and skull shape as a whole), whether you're caucasoid or mongoloid, how high or out set your zygos are, how aligned your orbitals are... what can you do about this? First of all, now that i've mentioned it, it is literally impossible to be truly goodlooking as a man with a mongoloid skull, so we're cutting off half the planet already.

If you're average looking you will benefit the most from things like lip fillers or chin implants AKA chin height.

IPD is pretty much a game of frauds, depending on how your face is distributed, that with your upper lip and your midface and PFL are probably what determine "harmony as a whole". The fact that some people are just stuck with features that can either just stunt them by a little or be full on death sentences that can't even make them average looking is brutal, and I think that us former uglies and everyone else new here needs to completely give up on their idea of ever becoming a true Chad facially because that's where the Chads are born thing comes in. Even gigafatasses won't have the egg shaped balloon face look that few overweight uglies tend to have due to the lack of bones

TLDR: 10/10 decile scale facial points are probably the most important thing in a man's life.

 

[Deleted member 2214]

@MakinItHappenReturn hi

 

[Sick]

shut up beaner

 

[Deleted member 2214]

shut up beaner

I'm Jewish.

 

[buckchadley31]

Hello my 6'8 10" dick, Chadriguez friend

 

[Deleted member 2214]

Hello my 6'8 10" dick, Chadriguez friend

I'm probably never gonna be even close to a Chadriguez and i've accepted it these last months but at least i'm not incel no longer.

 

[buckchadley31]

I'm probably never gonna be even close to a Chadriguez and i've accepted it these last months but at least i'm not incel no longer.

But you're still 6'8 tall with 10" dick right?

 

[Deleted member 2214]

But you're still 6'8 tall with 10" dick right?

Was never 6'8.

I asked my teachers to send me pics/vids they took of me recently from Halloween/end term to see how I look in candids where i'm serious. I probably look skinny as fuck.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

A truecel with fixable falios can ascend hard while a normie with no falios or halos will barely ascend a few points

Truecel gets surgery and ascends to a normie. 2 psl gain



On the other hand normie bimax

Ascending from a subhuman to normie is very easy assuming u have fixable falios but Normie to chad is very difficult,creating halos is difficult. In @Blue 's words

I'm starting to believe gaining SMV through face alone is a Heculean task. This is obviously excluding people who are good looking already or whose face is so fucked up, that the only way is up from that point on (both don't apply to 90+% of people, let's be real).

Honestly, my approach to looksmaxxing nowadays is to fix failos and create halos/increase SMV through different areas, such as physique for example.

 

[Deleted member 2214]

A truecel with fixable falios can ascend hard while a normie with no falios or halos will barely ascend a few points

Truecel gets surgery and ascends to a normie. 2 psl gain



On the other hand normie bimax

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Ascending from a subhuman to normie is very easy assuming u have fixable falios but Normie to chad is very difficult,creating halos is difficult. In @Blue 's words

Indeed, and that's more cause the uglier a person is, the more deformed they are. The rule doesn't apply going in the positive direction. Once you're Chad, you're subjective.

That guy you posted had a hard flaw (his maxilla) but it's still something relatively fixable if you compare it to someone's occiput or ES ratio, maybe midface. Anything bone related is good if you're subhuman going normal looking, but normal looking (like I said aside from chin related stuff) needs to do with soft features most of the time.

@Blue is 100% right btw, there's a limit as to how deformed a human can be and that's to literally not even have a face.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

@MakinItHappenReturn hi

The funniest thing is with my body fat now down to 14% I am a mogger, I just experimented with a terrible hairstyle/cut so I can't show you. Once I get the right cut I'll let you see the skull isn't really a problem and more a strength as its wide to an extent.

The IPD however is an issue just not as much as it would be had I not had a compact midface.

I appeal to females on a pretty boy / cute level. You imbeciles don't see it becsuse A) you have too many videos caught in your mind of me during the pandemic in 2020 and B) fail to understand and appreciate just how much cameras, particularly selfie ones, emphasise little flaws and make them appear big.

The point of this thread I don't get. Most know this. There are unfixable flaws like ipd which will look worse if you don't have a good fade. My current hairstyle is stupid because I have long hair with a short fringe. It was the dumbest experient and that is validated by just how much Lucy hates it.

Anyway good thesis on pointing out the obvious. Enjoy your reacts from autists that will assume 'high IQ'

 

[Pumanator]

True its really hard to increase psl. Easiest is to go from badly groomed to highly groomed. If your skull is (above) average.

Also in terms of looks theory the guy with the most average features (aka no failos, but also no halos) is considered (the most) attractive. If you have 1 fixable failo it may increase psl by alot. If you have only meh features it's almost impossible to ascend. Some failos are not realistic to fix. There was a guy here who had a narrow ipd and had box osteotomy to fix it. IPD is fixable but to find a surgeon and have the funds at a not to old age.

I also think that most guys here are between a 5 and 7 out of 10. For those guys soft maxing can ascend them or roiding.

 

[Deleted member 2214]

The funniest thing is with my body fat now down to 14% I am a mogger, I just experimented with a terrible hairstyle/cut so I can't show you. Once I get the right cut I'll let you see the skull isn't really a problem and more a strength as its wide to an extent.

The IPD however is an issue just not as much as it would be had I not had at a compact midface.

I appeal to females on a pretty boy / cute level. You imbeciles don't see it becsuse A) you have too many videos caught in your mind of me during the pandemic in 2020 and B) fail to understand and appreciate just how much cameras, particularly selfie ones, emphasise little flaws and make them appear big.

The point of this thread I don't get. Most know this. There are unfixable flaws like ipd which will look worse if you don't have a good fade. My current hairstyle is stupid because I have long hair with a short fringe. It was the dumbest experient and that is validated by just how much Lucy hates it.

Anyway good thesis on pointing out the obvious. Enjoy your reacts from autists.

Mogs me.

I was talking about SendMePics' IPD, not yours. It popped into my head this morning after I remember those 10 page threads and battles with Native.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Mogs me.

I was talking about SendMePics' IPD, not yours. It popped into my head this morning after I remember those 10 page threads and battles with Native.

Yeah he wasn't a high tier normie like he thought. His issues were fundamental.

 

[Blue]

A truecel with fixable falios can ascend hard while a normie with no falios or halos will barely ascend a few points

Truecel gets surgery and ascends to a normie. 2 psl gain



On the other hand normie bimax

View attachment 1448293


Ascending from a subhuman to normie is very easy assuming u have fixable falios but Normie to chad is very difficult,creating halos is difficult. In @Blue 's words

Indeed, and that's more cause the uglier a person is, the more deformed they are. The rule doesn't apply going in the positive direction. Once you're Chad, you're subjective.

That guy you posted had a hard flaw (his maxilla) but it's still something relatively fixable if you compare it to someone's occiput or ES ratio, maybe midface. Anything bone related is good if you're subhuman going normal looking, but normal looking (like I said aside from chin related stuff) needs to do with soft features most of the time.

@Blue is 100% right btw, there's a limit as to how deformed a human can be and that's to literally not even have a face.

If you're at least normie and have failos that can actually be fixed without it all looking stupid (think acne scars, hooked nose, recessed chin, etc.) go for it, but be aware that the 'window' for potential facial improvement gets smaller and smaller the better you look.
@Biiyo03 this might be interesting to you as well.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

If you're at least normie and have failos that can actually be fixed without it all looking stupid (think acne scars, hooked nose, recessed chin, etc.) go for it, but be aware that the 'window' for potential facial improvement gets smaller and smaller the better you look.
@Biiyo03 this might be interesting to you as well.

Respectfully disagree

One example is in the site

Amnesia was a chadlite and upgraded himself to a full on Chad in order to cater for his very non nt personality

Tom cruise is another one and a couple of others

 

[gamma]

A truecel with fixable falios can ascend hard while a normie with no falios or halos will barely ascend a few points

Truecel gets surgery and ascends to a normie. 2 psl gain



On the other hand normie bimax

View attachment 1448293


Ascending from a subhuman to normie is very easy assuming u have fixable falios but Normie to chad is very difficult,creating halos is difficult. In @Blue 's words

What bimax is this, literally looks the same

Small movement?

 

[Deleted member 2214]

Respectfully disagree

One example is in the site

Amnesia was a chadlite and upgraded himself to a full on Chad in order to cater for his very non nt personality

Tom cruise is another one and a couple of others

I don't think there's such a thing as Chadlite anymore tbh. Once you're above 8/10 it's all subjective, to some girls you're just cute to some girls you're a king (exception on height).

What bimax is this, literally looks the same
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Small movement?

Looks beardfrauded but under eye support looks a tiny bit better.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

I don't think there's such a thing as Chadlite anymore tbh. Once you're above 8/10 it's all subjective, to some girls you're just cute to some girls you're a king (exception on height).

Looks beardfrauded but under eye support looks a tiny bit better.

7 is chadlite

6 is htn

8+ is Chad and stop copying wheat waffles that isn't something he invented anyway. We all agree 8, 9 or 10 is irrelevant

 

[Deleted member 2214]

7 is chadlite

6 is htn

8+ is Chad and stop copying wheat waffles that isn't something he invented anyway. We all agree 8, 9 or 10 is irrelevant

I've seen one video from Wheat waffles and then I forgot about him but ok.

 

[mogstar]

omg you’re back

 

[Deleted member 2214]

omg you’re back

Who are you.

 

[mogstar]

Who are you.

 

[Deleted member 2214]

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Heightmogs me.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

I've seen one video from Wheat waffles and then I forgot about him but ok.

Point is amnesia was good looking and used surgery to enhance himself even more. It was a huge improvement tho and as was Tom Cruises

I think it's a myth that good looking guys can't improve with surgery. Esp for someone like me. I have cranio facial asymmetry because I mouth breathed during sleep but it only affected one part of my skull because the other par which was laying on the pillow had a part of my mouth that still remained closed. I worked this out.

If my right side became like my left, it would improve me by a good 1pt

 

[mogstar]

Heightmogs me.

Welcome back bro

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

True its really hard to increase psl. Easiest is to go from badly groomed to highly groomed. If your skull is (above) average.

Also in terms of looks theory the guy with the most average features (aka no failos, but also no halos) is considered (the most) attractive. If you have 1 fixable failo it may increase psl by alot. If you have only meh features it's almost impossible to ascend. Some failos are not realistic to fix. There was a guy here who had a narrow ipd and had box osteotomy to fix it. IPD is fixable but to find a surgeon and have the funds at a not to old age.

I also think that most guys here are between a 5 and 7 out of 10. For those guys soft maxing can ascend them or roiding.

It's not that hard to find a surgeon

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Are there any cranio facial surgeries you could recommend @Preston or @reptiles ?

 

[Gad]

reopen growth plates

how?

 

[Deleted member 2214]

how?

Idk but I heard it's a thing.

Let's hope.

 

[Gad]

Idk but I heard it's a thing.

Let's hope.

it's a thing mainly for jew scammer opportunists
but there has to be some autistic blackpilled scientist that could figure it out

 

[Deleted member 2214]

it's a thing mainly for jew scammer opportunists
but there has to be some autistic blackpilled scientist that could figure it out

Spoiler

Mewing

 

[Gad]

Spoiler

Mewing

thanks
i will mew my growth plates and become a 7 feet mogger

 

[Deleted member 2214]

thanks
i will mew my growth plates and become a 7 feet mogger

Be sure to do it in a cold shower while roiding on nofap without a pillow and jutting.

 

[Gad]

Be sure to do it in a cold shower while roiding on nofap without a pillow and jutting.

you ll get acromegaly this way and get too tall for anything
just stick to mewing

 

[Offensive Bias]

Return of a queen

 

[Deleted member 2214]

Return of a queen

???

 

[Offensive Bias]

???

You look like foid

 

[Deleted member 2214]

You look like foid

I could literally kill you barehanded.

 

[zeke714]

Respectfully disagree

One example is in the site

Amnesia was a chadlite and upgraded himself to a full on Chad in order to cater for his very non nt personality

Tom cruise is another one and a couple of others

@Amnesia was HTN before ascending

 

[OnlyCameHereToSay]

I don't think there's such a thing as Chadlite anymore tbh. Once you're above 8/10 it's all subjective, to some girls you're just cute to some girls you're a king (exception on height).

Looks beardfrauded but under eye support looks a tiny bit better.

Girls see guys as attractive/not attractive. EOS.

There's a reason apps like Tinder have swiping left or right. There's no maybe, strong maybe, weak maybe categories. It's attractive or not attractive. If someone is not attractive, it matters not one bit how close they are to attractive, the point is they're NOT.

Also getting from not attractive to attractive is about the sum total of your complete appearance, which is why changing one feature won't do the job. It also explains why most people don't ascend.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

and I think that us former uglies and everyone else new here needs to completely give up on their idea of ever becoming a true Chad facially because that's where the Chads are born thing comes in.

I agree with 90% of your post, but think this is a cliche here that is not useful. Improving your looks a significant amount always is worth it. Going from a 2/10 to a 4/10 is worth it. Going from LTN to mid normie is worth it. Going from 6/10 above average to 7/10 good looking is worth it.

This mentality of "if this one step doesn't solve all of my problems it isn't worth it" is actually a mindset of a lot of depressed people. Depressed people have trouble seeing the big picture. If you can make your life maybe 2% better, over and over and over again, eventually you end up with a significantly more satisfying life. We need to think in terms of "better" not "perfect".

 

[Deleted member 2214]

I agree with 90% of your post, but think this is a cliche here that is not useful. Improving your looks a significant amount always is worth it. Going from a 2/10 to a 4/10 is worth it. Going from LTN to mid normie is worth it. Going from 6/10 above average to 7/10 good looking is worth it.

This mentality of "if this one step doesn't solve all of my problems it isn't worth it" is actually a mindset of a lot of depressed people. Depressed people have trouble seeing the big picture. If you can make your life maybe 2% better, over and over and over again, eventually you end up with a significantly more satisfying life. We need to think in terms of "better" not "perfect".

Maybe.

But there's a limit, that something nobody can deny. Now you can be above average and slay yet still wanna improve your looks further but what makes you think you won't have at least one unfixable failo? It could your only failo too.

 

[Deleted member 3679]

The biggest hardmax for a guy IMO is fixing a recessed or downward jaw on a normie face... eye area is difficult to fix because it's so fucking soft tissue dependent. Also, some guys fix one thing and bang a few decent girls and are satisfied. I've noticed this also with mid/high tier normie guys in general. MOST get a few girls here and there with some effort but if they did try to improve their looks they could get hotter girls easier. However, most are satisfied to get laid here and there and simply too lazy to surgerymaxx or gymmaxx. To the vast majority of men dating isn't a top priority... as long as they get SOMETHING they are satisfied.

 

[Deleted member 2214]

The biggest hardmax for a guy IMO is fixing a recessed or downward jaw on a normie face... eye area is difficult to fix because it's so fucking soft tissue dependent. Also, some guys fix one thing and bang a few decent girls and are satisfied. I've noticed this also with mid/high tier normie guys in general. MOST get a few girls here and there with some effort but if they did try to improve their looks they could get hotter girls easier. However, most are satisfied to get laid here and there and simply too lazy to surgerymaxx or gymmaxx. To the vast majority of men dating isn't a top priority... as long as they get SOMETHING they are satisfied.

I get it... you need to feel like you're going with the flow. Maybe that's why some subhumans with Chadlite potential never maximise it.

It's overwhelming, and obviously not everyone wants or can be Chad regardless of whether it's because of a simple to fix jaw or a borderline deformed eye area. Just don't be incel.

 

[Pakicel]

Respectfully disagree

One example is in the site

Amnesia was a chadlite and upgraded himself to a full on Chad in order to cater for his very non nt personality

Tom cruise is another one and a couple of others

Amnesia was 5 PSL. Most of his gains were from softmaxxing and puberty. Surgical ascension is a big gamble. A lot of people look like shit after surgery.

 

[Deleted member 13332]

i agree man
what you gon do if your facial thirds dont harmonize? nothing
if you go for surgeries you will end up looking not good and like a ken doll

 

[Deleted member 16552]

You're either seen as "Good Looking" or Unattractive.

Women will think you're good looking, if by their standards, you are. If they have to choose between you and a guy who's 1 PSL higher than you it's all subjective. Maybe they just like you better.

I've went for girls who were plain looking vs. maybe a cuter girl because that particular girl seemed like more fun.

Does a woman want a Chad if their type is a bearded, husky type guy? Maybe they don't like Chad type guys.

There's a Chad at my job and some of my female coworkers say I'm more of their type. Some of them go to the Chad like moths to a light bulb. Who the fuck knows.

You're gonna get surgery and use all kinds of chemicals , and fuck your face up to make yourself look better to yourself?? So what when you are jerking off on your couch to porn you are 1 PSL higher?

Most men are not actually "Ugly". They will be attractive to someone. Maybe give up the quest for a Stacy and fight in your own weight class.

It's a numbers game, Accept this. If you're not putting yourself out there you're not going to get anything. Flirt with 50 women maybe 2 will like you.

Even fucking Tinder knows when you're going out of your league. If you're not getting swiped Right a lot, but you constantly swipe Right on the same chicks everyone else does, you will not be seen as much.

Even in real life, go for women you can actually get. If you're a Normie and you're hitting on the super hot chick at the sub shop, she won't give you the time of day because everyone hits on her, you'll just be an annoyance. Flirt with the average looking girl.

 

[Deleted member 16934]

No shit you cant go from a 3 to a chad or chadlite. But any type of ascension is good, everyone should looksmax to their fullest regardless.